Title: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: everettforth on October 30, 2016, 06:37:55 PM Suprnova Mining Pools controls over 51% of the mining power on Zcash.
It is trivial to remove the 20% Founders Reward in Zcash with a hardfork, as I describe here.: https://medium.com/@heyrhett/zcash-miners-stop-paying-20-genius-tax-486d9f40884f Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: bathrobehero on October 30, 2016, 06:50:30 PM 20% is ridiculous.
I don't think it should be removed though, but reduced to something like 0.5% Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: everettforth on October 30, 2016, 06:51:24 PM It could easily be removed, and then negotiated up.
Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: Greenenergy on October 30, 2016, 06:51:54 PM You make me laugh. Those guys need to be paid. A big team of renowned cryptographers at full time isn't free ::)...
Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: xhomerx10 on October 30, 2016, 07:10:39 PM There sure are a lot of mouths to feed: https://z.cash/team.html
A+ for implementation Z- for launch. Reminds me of the Pascal coin launch but in that case there was only 1 dev and then Vorsholk jumped in to help afterwards with some decent mining software. Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: bathrobehero on October 30, 2016, 07:24:33 PM Lot of people for sure, but 20% for 4 years is a ridiculous amount.
That's 2,0852,400 ZEC ignoring the ramp up period. Even if the price drops to 0.01 BTC that's still over $14mil with current prices, at 0.1 BTC that's $140mil, etc. Also it gets in the way of good distribution. Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: cryptohunter on October 30, 2016, 08:04:36 PM yeah reduce their tax down to 10 % that is plenty
Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: ratatatat on October 31, 2016, 12:31:28 AM fork it hard
lmao Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: David Walters on October 31, 2016, 12:43:55 AM reduce to 1% atleast for sure
Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: everettforth on October 31, 2016, 12:46:26 AM Just an update, I talked to SuprNova pool, who controls 51%+ of Zcash Mining.
They don't want to piss off miners, so they aren't switching anything. I think the only option would be if someone makes a new mining pool called Zcash-fork or something, and let the miners switch if they want. Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: abel1337 on October 31, 2016, 05:09:09 AM Just an update, I talked to SuprNova pool, who controls 51%+ of Zcash Mining. Hope that they will add a new mining site of zcash soon.They don't want to piss off miners, so they aren't switching anything. I think the only option would be if someone makes a new mining pool called Zcash-fork or something, and let the miners switch if they want. How much is the price of each zcash in the market? Im planning to mine it if I see a good future in its platform Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: kenscho on October 31, 2016, 05:56:23 AM we have to stop this shitty 20%! we dont mine for the founders! they can mine for they self!
Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: Rabinovitch on October 31, 2016, 09:51:24 AM 20% should be cancelled. 1% is enough. Please someone set up a pool for ZCH (Honest Zcash). ;)
p.s. the fork is on it's way: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1664835.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1664835.0) Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: Videodrome on October 31, 2016, 10:07:36 AM Fork and made a Zcash classic please!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: vlom on October 31, 2016, 10:11:18 AM Suprnova Mining Pools controls over 51% of the mining power on Zcash. It is trivial to remove the 20% Founders Reward in Zcash with a hardfork, as I describe here.: https://medium.com/@heyrhett/zcash-miners-stop-paying-20-genius-tax-486d9f40884f this is really so easy? why wouldn't miners do this. and what happens afterwards? what will the devs do after the hard fork? Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: poncho32 on October 31, 2016, 08:59:08 PM Suprnova Mining Pools controls over 51% of the mining power on Zcash. It is trivial to remove the 20% Founders Reward in Zcash with a hardfork, as I describe here.: https://medium.com/@heyrhett/zcash-miners-stop-paying-20-genius-tax-486d9f40884f this is really so easy? why wouldn't miners do this. and what happens afterwards? what will the devs do after the hard fork? The founding devs would most probably stop working on zcash, but there would be new ones queuing up to do a takeover. The ethereum devs were greedy, but 20% is so greedy that zcash probably won't have much of a future if it isn't changed. I first heard zcash has a new fangled alternative to POW and POS that was touted as assisting decentralization. If GPU mining it through pools has given one pool over 51% of the mining power the new algo hasn't helped decentralization at all. Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: Rabinovitch on November 01, 2016, 03:59:30 AM I first heard zcash has a new fangled alternative to POW and POS that was touted as assisting decentralization. If GPU mining it through pools has given one pool over 51% of the mining power the new algo hasn't helped decentralization at all. Devs made all possible to achieve such a situation. No GPU miners from devs, no Windows wallet from devs, no p2pool nodes available to end users (I mean miners here)... Looks like they don't care about decentralisatiion. They care about 20% of coins for 4 years. Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: bathrobehero on November 01, 2016, 04:04:20 AM I first heard zcash has a new fangled alternative to POW and POS that was touted as assisting decentralization. If GPU mining it through pools has given one pool over 51% of the mining power the new algo hasn't helped decentralization at all. Devs made all possible to achieve such a situation. No GPU miners from devs, no Windows wallet from devs, no p2pool nodes available to end users (I mean miners here)... Looks like they don't care about decentralisatiion. They care about 20% of coins for 4 years. Exactly. All of your points mean decentralization and good distribution is far from being their priority. In fact, I find it ridiculous and I have never understood why major coins would ever get released without linux+windows+mac+android wallets and AMD+Nvidia miners? Even most shitty scamcoins are doing a much better job at that. Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: Tmdz on November 01, 2016, 04:42:58 AM I first heard zcash has a new fangled alternative to POW and POS that was touted as assisting decentralization. If GPU mining it through pools has given one pool over 51% of the mining power the new algo hasn't helped decentralization at all. Devs made all possible to achieve such a situation. No GPU miners from devs, no Windows wallet from devs, no p2pool nodes available to end users (I mean miners here)... Looks like they don't care about decentralisatiion. They care about 20% of coins for 4 years. Exactly. All of your points mean decentralization and good distribution is far from being their priority. In fact, I find it ridiculous and I have never understood why major coins would ever get released without linux+windows+mac+android wallets and AMD+Nvidia miners? Even most shitty scamcoins are doing a much better job at that. The folks behind Zcash is a company so really it is all about money for them, they have not done much at all to earn all this crazy money getting dumped on their door steps. If it wasn't for the Amazing people in the community we would be shit out of luck for mining and handed over to corporate farms. They completely botched the release for the wallet, should of had a day 1 patch. Also no windows or native gui is inexcusable for a major release. Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: monsanto on November 01, 2016, 04:58:20 AM That would be funny if a forked version ended up being worth more than the original 20% taxed version. ;D
Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: P4ndoraBox on November 01, 2016, 05:06:08 AM Its not really anonymous when we know 20% are coming back to them...
Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: hanksBTC on November 26, 2016, 07:42:26 AM No. Keep to it support them.
Title: Re: Zcash Minus 20% "Genius Tax" Post by: Egenen on November 26, 2016, 12:04:30 PM No. Keep to it support them. I think so. But the problem is that after 4 years, without the "tax", are they going to work for the ZCash again? |