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(recently i got an idea of doing some DIY holographic paper wallet design. in order to make either the transaction offchain, let the people who don't use bitcoin software but wish to use bitcoin / altcoin physically to use them freely and easily, or as a cold storage.

in that case, in order to create a great and cool sticker, i have a little idea about the design already, but the price of manufacturing is quite expensive though. if i design that, that will be a sticker only because it could be used in altcoins, and that kind of design will be less likely to counterfeit compared to, such as, holograms used in papersafe.

i would with bells on to make the keys in that hologram, however then trust and the security could be less reliable, including less allowance of altcoins if it is premade; that's why it will be a DIY. you need a verify or trustless rather than trust, it could be a disaster.

the question is, in a nutshell: if i created a security hologram for paper wallets, how many people would use that or would you get to use? feel free to give opinion and/or anything else. don't expect too major on this because this might not yet be done until late 2016.)


the physical sticker would be very different when manufactured, if you are interested on those holograms, feel free to send me a PM.
the preview diagram is like this (not the actual or optical effect as not yet finished):
https://i.imgur.com/Y46cwq0 (unable to embed image)

edit 11/9: i am now working on it, stand by.
edit 11/12: unable to draw for PC crash.
edit 1/11/2017: preview of "500" is arrving soon arrived, i designed it. it would be a bit random but with advanced technologies.

This sounds quite interesting!
Have you considered to also design DIY holograms for physical coins (if that is even possible)? IMHO there is a greater demand than for stickers on paperwallets.

Something like this: https://bitcoinpaperwallet.com/ ?

https://www.btc-echo.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Papier-Bitcoin-Wallet-516x250.png

like that sticker, but is not a regular stock at all, instead it will be completely customised and higher security like banknotes.http://hkgalden.com/face/hkg/369.gif
sourced from www.papersafe.org , look at the hologram covered by 'secure' word
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0857/6666/products/IMG_20160202_192344399_1024x1024.jpg?v=1454769646
similar to that, but more complicated one as what i am planning to design.
physical coins are not in my plan because i am not greatly trusted and i don't grauantee the safety of wallet by 100%, that's why i will make it DIY.

I see you have taken interest in my work.

 First off... It is not just the hologram that is securing PaperSafe keys.
 Just because the hologram is expensive doesn't make it any more secure.

 Second. is trust...You cant just print a paper wallet and expect people to want to buy it...
 I already went down that road.  when its all said and done...
 PaperSafe Satoshi Notes are nothing more then... ARTWORK...

 It took me over 2 years getting to my first printed series that was offered on the forum...
 So don't be in a hurry, take your time and do research and lots of testing...
 Get it right the first time.. also I am happy to answer any questions you may have.

 One last thing......Get yourself a PaperSafe Satoshi Note .....good luck

BG4
PaperSafe.org

https://i.imgur.com/rCAFwI9.jpg

hi BG4, thanks to be here to asnwer my question.
first of all,  :'( i have little to buy a satoshi note.
second, indeed i mean what i am planning to create does not have any keys printed on, well it is a challenge to make it trustless and evidently legit. third, is the hologram solely designed by yourself or a related team? fine but it is important as i believe the password covered by hologram decides the validity of the wallet, any kind of trace(s) differs its trust. ??? ok the last thing is, i am just supplying holographic stickers, so i am when pigs fly to own any keys with funds by other people. :)
edit: i will buy one if you can supply internationally, i am exercising my artwork in my hologram.

If you have very little to buy a Satoshi Note , How is it going to be affordable for you to pay for holograms,

The holograms that I use are good quality signature secure holograms. They are clear with a slight tint to them,
They are there to protect the Scratch off that is placed over the Password..it is the Scratch off that is securing the password
The Hologram is placed over the scratch off, and printed over with the graphics you see. The bar code around the outside
is there for tamper evident , if someone tried to lift the hologram, also The paper will turn a color with solvents and alcohol , so chemical
peeling is stopped...

I picked this hologram because It was clear, can be printed on so I can change the graphics as my designs change...

The Idea with a hologram is that they are not easy to duplicate, Having a very good quality hologram makes no sense for a DIY
Paper Wallet. PaperSafe were designed with the idea that Bitcoins could be Traded Off Chain...as long as the Tamper Evident hologram is intact
then the coins are secure.....BUT , in the end..

PaperSafe Is just very secure ART

BG4
PaperSafe.org

i mean i have little immediate funds to buy a note.

though, i wonder how to make a trustless legit notes, indeed like what you have stated, i have this idea as well inspired by banknotes. if high security holograms don't make sense w/ DIY, then for me it is a bit wrong:
hologram itself, if it is thin enough, is already tamper evident, by picking out of that, the position of where the sticker is picked up might be messed up, leading traces on it. or you can print a logo on both paper layer and the holographic layer - what the banknotes have; it must be accurate to restick on.

by the way i wanna know the method to figure out if the password is securely legit, like dual-channel diagram.
maybe i can give you the sample if i bought them, and compare using it. ???

holograms are the core of security documents, after all.

So just to make sure I understand this correctly, the user creates the paper wallet with a pass phrase and then you only print the pass phrase for them in a hologram? Do they add the Bitcoin Address and the Private key later, when they receive the note?

That would be about the only way, I would be doing this. I will never surrender the private key to anyone to create it for me. ^hmmmmm^

... i mean, if that printer is trusted, i will get them a quote about the wallet data if needed. i will get manufacturer to print passphrase under the hologram only, not the key (i won't know the public or private key at all). i can send to them as soon as i have received the batch. they complete the note using the hologram received, with the password in it.
or people can do it all themselves with that hologram. just as long as it is safe from fraud.

after all, this kind of stickers, if completed, are universal. to be explicit (you guys normally write it as 'clear'), no keys that is required to import such wallet is printed, instead with a serial code. as of this post is posted, i am unable to draw my draft and crashed several of times in my PC, i am waiting for a certain computer that won't crash about.

this will be more secure than paper money  ;D

I would definitely be interested in secure hologram stickers, or something similar. Paper wallets are my favorite way to store bitcoin.

Check out

PaperSafe.org (http://PaperSafe.org)

Wow, those look pretty impressive. It looks like they're all sold out though, bummer.

Everything says out of stock on the papersafe site.

If anyone is looking for custom hologram stickers, I used these guys about a year ago to do a 100 custom stickers for under $20:
http://www.labelogixusa.com/page2/customprintedlabels.html

Seems like a cool idea ill keep this on my watch list.

lmao, i would wish to! just like what the passports will do in their print.

:)


if you have a higher budget, there are similar sticker manufacturers with a better security level, its quantity (not lying) and the quality could be better than the typical top notch.

Share resources if you have them, that's why were here  ;D

Custom paper seal presses can be ordered from here:
http://www.thestampmaker.com/embossers.aspx

I'm looking for a site where you can customize security paper online... most places you have to "call them" or fill out a call-me-back form. :/

good idea! will drop that link to my bookmark when i begin to source the material to develop my paper wallet and/or the holograms, it would be when pigs fly to make a top notch if the artwork would not be great.

security paper? no. but hologram? if you understand Chinese please go to www.gzlaser.com , as that manufacturer makes the holograms most of you guys haven't seen before. (i will use that company as they can let the customized pattern in)

Look, how about you make a thread where people could buy them directly and make IRL tests, potentials investors will hard a hard copy and they can back you up.

They will pay for the production and shipping, you will not have to spend / waste money.

i am not asking any investors until i am surely ready, i don't want investors loathed the time. plus designing the hologram and paper arts are gonna be consuming major amount of memory spaces and the artwork skills. i don't have a proper PC that can support 2~3 GBs of data in an image that will be used on the hologram design. right now this is but a dream yet i don't wanna ask any investors as told because i am not that reliable by evidence. i can create a preview but i don't sure how many people is gripping on.

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fact: with all the required funds to begin the production, it is a $10.000 question.  :-\
btw i threw up the poll and let's see how many possible buyers i can get.

update, digital preview of my first universal paper wallets' security sticker is approaching soon, my design is being enhanced for actual holograms, stay tuned.
spoiler: no denomination unit on the first design but "500".

if the preview is ready, then i will upload on the op.