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A nice read from Techcrunch.

https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/08/how-bitcoin-protects-against-geopolitical-risk/

Actually many traders have already realized that bitcoin is safe bet in political uncertainty like today also many markets/assets goes red after Trump wining US election and to be in safer side some of the traders seems to already have bought bitcoin shorting their other assets that is really good move and bitcoin price is already 4%+ up.

Nice comparison between bitcoin and other currencies pairs.
https://tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/pasted-image-0-16.png?w=680&h=334

Anyone who has been associated with Bitcoins will know that, they help against, geopolitical risks. Like for eg suddenly your currency got banned like take for Indias case, some notes are not acceptable, people are running towards gold and usd. But a smart persons are even going for Bitcoin cause they will be able to counter the effects. For me personally it does and in current days it will help a lot. Will trump make it any better, again there's volatility because of him and Bitcoin is currently the safest bet.

very difficult to say bitcoin will be safe from political turbulence. but if the incident occurs in one country, it will have no impact on other countries. because of the nature of the digital currency is known worldwide. so I concluded that bitcoin is more secure than any currency in the world.

Bitcoin has advantages as decentralized and peer to peer which mean it safe from geopolitical risk that just happen in one country.
Well, geopolitical might be able to decrease bitcoin price due to there are companies and people may loss during these conditions but bitcoin will rise again.

I don't get this business about there being no centralisation surrounding Bitcoin


The Us is abandoning control of ICANN, and giving it to the multinationals.

I was honestly expecting a bigger rise because Trump was voted in as president. But clearly bitcoins are polititian proof because it's a world currency not just an American or European currency.

bitcoins tech is distributed. even with the "china hash power" debate, people need to realise the tech and security behind the label of "chinese miner"

remember an asic miner is basically just a SHA calculator. it has no hard drive and does not hold the blockchain. it is the host pool that holds the blockchain, organises the transaction data and creates a hash. which is then sent out to the asics to simply to calculate a second hash(PoW) and send that second hash back to the host pool.

the two parts. pool vs asic do not need to be in the same physical location. nothing stops an asic farm hopping from a pool managed in china or iceland or georgia. its a split second activity to pool hop.

the asics can communicate with many different servers. if one goes offline another is instantly available and pool hopping is actually routine. so its not an issue.

in short. there are a few nodes sitting in different countries (with the actual bitcoin blockchain data). so if someone wanted to corrupt a node in china. asic miners will hop to the one in iceland, georgia, america or other country that has not been corrupted.

also it doesnt matter what skin colour a person managing a host pool. some chinese pools may have a website wrote in chinese but the tech support staff maintaining the nodes(plural) are working in an office in san fransisco or iceland and the nodes they maintain are in many countries.

i really hate all the distraction/racist posts about china and trying to falsely combine several different pools who each have several different servers in several countries, to some how be considered (wrongly) as one entity. simply because "its china".

this wrongful/misunderstood distraction is actually moving peoples awareness away from where the weaknesses actually are. which ofcourse is the nodes.
if the nodes are in majority running the same code, then diversity/independence is a threat no matter what country or no matter how many nodes there are..
EG if 95 of 100 nodes or 4750 of 5000 nodes has a bug.  it has no difference, they are all affected equally
you can have a million nodes, but if 950,000 are running the exact same software.. its no better then just having 20 nodes with 19 running the same software

saying there is a 51% threat due to geography, rather than understanding the technology/infrastructure is a big massive piece of FUD compared to 95% of nodes running one piece of the exact same software.

software needs to be diverse too.
there is nothing wrong with a 100% agreement of certain rules. but having just one base of code making that decision, isnt actually an agreement. its control

Yes that is what Bitcoin is good about it has freedom compared to other Fiat Currencies in which a government can control. Unlike Fiat money it can't be manipulated by any country as it moves independently. Also the only control that Bitcoin is that it is limited but as of now not all Bitcoin are mined. It is safe to say that the halving process is doing its thing for it.

It's not a secret that Bitcoin functions as a safe haven asset much similar to gold. Of much greater importance than short-term capital inflows following unexpected electoral events is Bitcoin's protection against the fiat scam scheme: Bitcoin is not subject to arbitrary inflation and arbitrary expropriation by irresponsible central banks and governments.

While real geopolitical risks of the Brexit and the US election are questionable - that's only the perspective of the socialist establishment press - fiat currency devaluation is a certainty. Therefore it's a good decision in general to get rid of fiat trash money and buy Bitcoin. The debt problems of Western countries have grown far out of control to be possible to be cleared in an orderly fashion.

ya.ya.yo!

Well we have seen what happened with Greece, when the politicians dropped the ball... We have also seen how the weakening economy of

Venezuela under the regime of President Nicolas Maduro, led to the increase in Bitcoin use as a Safe haven. The rich will bypass capital

controls to protect their wealth against hyperinflation... and Bitcoin can be used for that.. How long this will go on unregulated, we will not

know.. ???

I agree partially on the point in the article where it mentions that Bitcoin is insulated by political uncertainty, but if political supervision happens to occur in the form of regulations to Bitcoin exchanges that are registered (unlike local bitcoins or decentralized exchanges) then it would affect a small percentage of the users for a short period of time. Also, several political issues are always around the corner whenever it comes to regulation foreign investment or crypto currencies or even putting a hard limit of how much can be traded as we've seen in the case of China. I'm sure a lot of price changes in Bitcoin also happen when a large whale pumps money, but this happens in regular stock exchanges too so it's not too good of an argument to hold. In the end I can believe that Bitcoin provides a lot of users a safe haven to deposit their funds and be protected from fiat currency regulations and restrictions.

I don't thnk the weakness economic of Greece are having any relationship with the politicians.... As long as I read news on the internet it's caused by the overloading of the government employees. everyone in Greece is wanna be the government employees and this will make the unstable condition for the country and that's why every year always gets a deficit for their economic for just for paying their employees.


The bitcoin are free from the capital control and currency manipulation. i guess this can make a bright things for us.

We are not protected from geopolitical risk. If China bans Bitcoin < Political decision > then you will see a massive drop in the price. If the USA implement strict regulations, you will see a drop in the price. So we are not immune to the influence of these poor decisions being made by these governments.

We do protect fiat currency holders when their currency depreciates, due to poor political governance, but Bitcoin has it's own problems too. 

nothing you have said relates to the distribution and security of bitcoin. and ultimately if the only impact of geopolitics is the price.. then good.
bitcoin cannot control the price. and if you understand bitcoins ethos, a particular fiat price should not matter. its just temporary drama

if the price drops. celebrate.. its a discount day.. buy some more
if the price rises. celebrate.. its a profit day.. sell some more

Diversity of software is positive, but we need to have a standard, high % of agreements to get something done is good and strengthens the network. If it was lower, we would never get anything done, it would be all over the place. We need to focus and gets things done, and this requires big agreements.

If people want alternative software, then convince people to run nodes for said software, but people don't want amateurs, thats why Core always wins.

Well, it's accurate mostly because of the decentralization of Bitcoin being free from the issues of governments. When people in developed countries get nervous about something, they buy things to store their wealth, and one of those things is Bitcoin. Instability causes the price to rise, and thus it gets protected from issues it would otherwise experience.

Bitcoin is power of decentralization so that its value has remain quite in positive trend even when other markets are all red. Recent dump on forex market after US election can be taken as good lesson to not trust any centralized fiat currency, bitcoin is really a safe bet.

Being safe in politically charged times and being speculated on during those times are two different things. Its hard to correlate one with out thinking about the other and how it may be altering the perimeters of the discussion.
We really are not seeing any push in areas that are in turbulent times. Greece was highly speculated to be driven to bitcoin and we had a company announce it would open up quite the army of bitcoin atms. It never materialized as a factor for Greeks even with the strangle on their currency limits per day. Would be interesting to go look at the numbers for the company that proclaimed they where opening up roughly 100 atms to help drive bitcoin use.
You can pretty much look at every country bitcoin community has thought would be running to bitcoin and see a very small bump,I suspect more to speculation than people thinking this is the answer.

well, dollar had a big pump and i'm expecting a correction next week.
if that happens, bitcoin and gold will definitely rise.

both are main investments at dollar correction.

It could also be the case that it is still too early for that to happen with those big disruptive events.
People might still be looking at precious metals more, Bitcoin will probably follow after some years.

People can use gold/silver as a protection about this however I don't know much people that do this.

In my opnion you need to have a lot of money to think about this things and atm I'm broke  :'(

I very good read indeed.
It explains the true potential of bitcoin and how it can serve people rather than governments or corporations such as Banks

I quite agree with your point of view. As a matter of fact, bitcoin's live wire lies with the fact that it is decentralized and no one government can manipulate it as they readily do with fiat currencies. That more or less accords it a safe haven attribute and was evidently so with Greece debt crisis, when the authorities laid siege on deposits in banks. Bitcoin simply addresses issues like that and for same reason people turn to bitcoin every now and then, there is doubt and uncertainty in their country or global economy.

It protects you against geopolitical risk if all nodes are uniformly distributed in various countries.

Mining is centralized in china, but the nodes are not. So china is a political risk for bitcoin if they decide to shut down miners.


So folks start up nodes in all countries, from Antarctic to Iceland to Zimbabwe, all countries should have a lot of nodes running.

And this why bitcoin are very suitable for becoming the global currency? Even that's will never get affected by the political events. ;)

Bitcoin price goes 100% up this year because of the halving, I don't expect more pumps untill the next one.

Bitcoin nowadays is becoming a stable coin where people can use it as a protection.

Yes, whatever changes occur in the geopolitical world, Bitcoin holders remain safe and secure. Indians having Bitcoins would have realised it this week. Since rs.500 & rs.1000 were banned in india, people became panic and started to run towards banks for exchange.But Bitcoin holders remained safe without any tension.Bitcoin has become a must for future.

Well bitcoins have been made to get rid of any political risks that can occur .with bitcoins in currency there is no need of any government ,it can be on its own .this is the foremoat reasons that no country will support it fully.

Agreed but we might see a rise after January when he is sworn in.   ;D

Considering how crazy 2016 was I'd expect anxious people to get into Bitcoin. Unless governments crack down on cryptos by adding regulations, bitcoin is one of the safest bets.