Bitcoin Forum

http://media.boreme.com/post_media/2013/rothschild-nations-money.jpg

Is it safe to say that Donald Trump "Make America great again" is Independent and not controlled by the elites (Rockfeller's , Rotchschild's etc.. ) or he is just like every other president the U.S had , a puppet ? If he is not then are we going to see the same end that JFK had ?

I would say that Trump is independent and not controlled by anyone. He is a businessman and not a politician, which was his appeal to voters and made him unique. Like Trump said, he was not given money by special interests, donors, or lobbyists. He put $100 million of his own money into his campaign. Clinton was the exact opposite, and that is why so many elite people and the mainstream media wanted her as the U.S. President. For this reason, Trump's life may be in danger and I hope he takes extra precautions to be safe.

I dont get your narrative.
Why does trump has to be independent just because hillary is corrupt?

We have evidence that people very close to him and his campaign are directly from wall street.
Also he gets money from saudi arabia. The very same people that are giving hillary her money.

I agree in some points you mentioned but maybe that's what they want us to think ? I mean Hillary is screwed with the whole leaked emails and scandals one after one and they needed someone else and call me crazy but the Simpsons thing sounds phishy too.


I don't think Saudi Arabia would fund anyone who wants to ban muslims from entering the country , even though they have a history in funding crazy sick people.

Well, it is politics but I hope so. He can be independent minded, as long as it is for the common good of American people.I hope he is not beholden to any businessman or sponsors.

“Saudi Arabia — and I get along great with all of them. They buy apartments from me,” Trump said in Mobile, Ala.

“They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”


Wait that sounds exactly like what hillary said about her expensive speeches and donations :)

I guess he is not independent. He is dependent. I wish his team is workaholic and not corrupt because if his team is corrupt then his administration will be fail in the future just like other administration. When a strong man fail then the nation will fail that is the rule of power in this world.

He could be independent but I don't trust his decisions. I just have a bad image for Trump, but I'm hoping that he would be as bad as I think. Plus, I do wish that he would be a true servant to the people because that's what true leaders do, they listen to the voices of his people.

Independent of what? Because he's surely not independent of money judging by his luxurious lifestyle. He likes money, he likes being in the center of attention, and he is impulsive.
Is he independent of other people? I'd say no, because to do business you need to make friends and do favors.

Man cannot be independent. I think that Trump is not the successful businessman. He hides his Declaration because he is afraid that people will know that he is bankrupt. A bankrupt depend on many.

He cut ties and so i guess he has political will and not a puppet. but he will soon encounter enemies bigger and meaner than him.
if he intend to bring back the jobs for Americans, he will need the companies that will run the country.

I don't think it works that way. Trump will do whatever they want. When the elites ask you to do something for them then you just do it. Non compliance usually will end for you in a bad way. That's the way I see it. Trump is just one of them with some of his own interests.

The US President Donald trump on Tuesday signed a decree about the permission of building a giant pipeline across America Keystone XL and the Dakota Access pipeline, which was opposed by the Obama administration with the aim of preserving the climate.

Most of the elected Presidents normally answer to the donors who helped them most financially during the campaign periods but with Trump i doubt thats going to be case. Most of the funds he used during his campaign period was not through SUPER PAC like most elected officials. His own donation used for the campaign is 200% more than the SUPER PAC raised. He is surely going to do things his own way. Remember not even the high ranking members  Republican Party wanted him to win.

Yes, he is. That's what's good about him.

Yea Donald Trump is not controlled by nobody but many Americans dont see that Donald Trump is the best USA president and reall funny but really weird what makes him more funny with really big world public:He also want peace and work with Russia what is good so maybe he will not give access to balck organisations to make a wars.

His biggest enemies are not from the Democrat party, but within his own party. I am talking about the RINOs in the Gang of 14 cartel, such as Susan Collins, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, Olympia Snowe, and Marco Rubio.

It is hard to know what is going on behind the curtains, but it is safe to assume that Trump because of his wealth is the most independent candidate for POTUS we could have.
He already rich, who will be able to buy&bribe him? OTOH Hillary would be total sell off. I am glad she lost.

Did you know that he's rich? You saw him return? I like to think that Trump is the most dependent of the presidents. He is bankrupt and will now be earning money with the help of his capabilities as President. Prove to me that it is not.

That is the other side why he ran for the US as a president, fame and of course for the benefit of his business. He has so many interest to take care of.
But I believe that he has good plan for US that he is going to make America great again and are number 1 in all aspect business and politics.

Seven-year-old girl from Aleppo Ban al-Abed (Alabed), which was previously described all the horrors of war in Syria, addressed to the President of the United States Donald Trump open letter. "All my life I have lived in Syria until December last year I drove from the East of Aleppo, which was under siege. I am among those children who suffered because of the war in Syria. Now I live peacefully in my new home in Turkey. In Aleppo I went to school, but it was destroyed. Some of my friends died. I miss them, I wish they were here with me so we can play together. I couldn't play in Aleppo, it was the city of death," said the girl.

"Now, in Turkey, I can go out and rejoice. I can go to school, although I have not yet started. That is why the world is so important to us all and for you too. But millions of Syrian children now live as I do, and suffer in different parts of Syria. They suffer because adults do... Please save the children and the people of Syria. You have to do something for the Syrian children because they are the same as your children, and deserve to live peacefully as you do," said Ban.

She added that if trump will help the Syrian children, she will be his new friend.

What a farce?

A seven-year old girl using twitter and making political statements against Bashar al Assad. Unfortunately for her, not everyone here is retarded. For sure, we know who is updating her Twitter feed. Shameless Islamists using little children for their propaganda purposes... And also, where was the mainstream media, when a 12-year old Palestinian boy was beheaded by these same rebels?

He seems to be controlled pretty tightly by the media. If someone on TV says something bad about him he goes into a Twitter war. The guy is child without any parents. Dangerous stuff for sure. Let's hope he finds some sensibility and logic in is talk and action.

That is not what being controlled means. Media are not controlling him, they declared war against him to discredit his authority.
I doubt that media can make him do something against his will, he is known to have a strong backbone.

I think Donald Trump is Independent. All things he did recently was on his campaign promises. He is an alpha he is not used to being dictated too.

There is no independent president. A president must work as a manager of a country and must supervise the other leaders in the bureaucracy to govern the country for the good of the people. Alone the president cannot do its work but with the support groups in the government service the work can be done. The government workers and other officials are the allies of the president to make country strong and well developed.

It never made sense to me that Trump would run in the first place just to get a few more dimes.  I'll bet that he is as disgusted at the political class and the 'establishment' as most of the rest of us are.  Probably quite a lot more since he has more exposure.  It sure seems that way to me, or he's a good faker.  Of course the mainstream media is making it really easy for him to remain disgusted.

Hopefully it will be of importance to Trump to go down as something different and unique and positive, and he'll work to achieve this.  So far (a week or so in) I'm as hopeful as I ever have been.  If he's not independent and is 'taking orders' from someone or some group, they remain pretty well hidden.

One of the things that impresses me most is that certain of the people he's picked (esp, Mattis) don't agree with their boss on everything.  Trump seems to have picked them based mostly on their abilities and doesn't seem to have issued orders for them to be in lock step with him.  In my experience this is the mark of a confident leader and someone with good judgement, good leadership skills, and someone who wants to get things done.

Donald Trump is not used to being dictated, and he will not be dictated by others. But in some of policies (especially in foreign policy and tariffs for imports from other countries), he will be forced to compromise. And this compromise will involve the elected officials from his own party, and those from the Democrat party.

Yes you're right, I'm sure Trump has strong character so that he would not be a puppet by anywhere. But it was in politics Trump should compromise so that its goal of becoming the President could smoothly. Trump has many partners in different countries, and I am sure he would compromise with them to reach an agreement. Moreover, Trump once said to be cooperating with several countries such as Russia, it is an unusual thing in my opinion.

I think he's independent. and I think that's the reason why most mainstream media are relaying negativity about him. well yes, he's said a lot of negative sexist and racist things but in general I think what's not working for trump here is he is not being controlled by any party. he himself is a businessman prior to winning and I think that would separate him from the other presidents who previously were politicians. I'd love to give trump a chance to fulfill his promise of making America great again

Trump is about to name the SCOTUS nominee shortly, to replace Antonin Scalia. That will be his first litmus test. The Democrats have already said that they will oppose his nominee tooth and nail. According to the Republican sources, the nominee will be either Neil M. Gorsuch or William H. Pryor Jr. If Trump chooses the latter, then expect a bloodbath in the senate.

Trump is not going to be a puppet of the elite e.g Rockefellers' and rotchild's. From his campaign we know trump has a different mind and that is why they using the media against him. If trump was a poor guy like Obama and Clinton they could have use their control over the bank to frustrate him but trump is a big guy that can match them money to money. They powers of elite Is the medias and trump said media has declared war against his government. Remember cnn the puppet of the elite mouth is spreading hate speech against trump.

When it comes to the issue of politics, no one can be completely independent because there is no way you can make decisions and not take into consideration the effects it will have in a number of people. If he says he wants to go after Bill Gates what of the number of people that are being employed by Microsoft or even gong after Warren Buffet. There is no way a president can be independent, he could make decisions but those decisions have been made for him. He is just the mouth piece.

It seems to me that you are too good opinion about Trump. It is already clear that it does not respect any where in the world. Putin openly rejoices that he will have to negotiate with stupid. America will not be great at it.

i don't think he is same like other polititians and being straight forward is his beauty and i think that's the reason that he is the president of america and i think he will be not like them in the future.....

Russia has always been the enemy of America. Trump wants to remove her sanctions. In order to weaken the Russian economy was created by American and European politicians. Now, when there was quite a bit he leads Russia game. The allies will not forgive.

There is no point in prolonging the sanctions against Russia, as they are not having the desired effect. Trump is smart. He has noticed that the sanctions have pushed Russia towards China's orbit. For the United States, China is more of a threat than Russia. He may attempt to pull Russia back to the neutral ground between the US and China.

cannot be said better!
He will make his interests first then USA.. maybe

It's an interesting (and worrying at the same time) era to live

If Trump wants to shaft the elites. Abolish the national debt and save $444bn in interest and he will be a national hero.

Simply change our monetary system to something other than the current fiat dollar.

These fiat USD are owned and issued by the Fed which is a private entity operated by those who seem to be Trump's (and the U.S.'s) chief adversary.  This would saw the legs out from under those who are the antagonists and enemies in this thing.  The new legal tender currency base could be distributed for starters to those who are not the antagonists.  Specifically 'we the peeps'.

The 0.001% are fully aware of this Achilles's heal and the danger and diversify into resources, intellectual property, politicians, etc as fast as they can.  There is no need to cry for them when their whole house of card collapses.

Similarly, those who get burnt by holding our USD denominated treasuries and what-not really should have been doing their due-diligence and realized the danger.  Even now those who get burnt are mostly those who don't play musical-chairs well.

I'm really interested in hearing the arguments of the people that says that he is actually independent because If the elite are that powerful and he is indeed not controlled by them , I doubt they would stay and watch themselves being destroyed , since the discussion became more active these days , I added a poll too.

Please add:

  - not yet known
  - Zionist, or puppet there-of

It is not a viable option. Only a part of this debt is owned by the foreigners (around one-third). The remainder is owned by American individuals and tax payers. If Trump defaults on the repayment, then it will be the American citizens who are going to get the most affected.

We should first know who is President Trump first before accusing him. We know that President Trump is very strict or they call "stubborn" president, the way he rules the United States, the way he manages his cabinets, and the way he change the politics in United States. We should know the power or the knowledge of President Trump before suspecting him.

To America has become a country No. 1 in the world we need an adequate program. Such a program at no Trump. Moreover, he does not understand at all what is foreign policy. This will lead to the opposite effect.

No president can never be independent in the face of current political dispensation, then one really needs to factor in so many interest group into decision making because it is no longer me again, it is now the country in which some people will always want you to fail by all means and they will not stop until they achieve their objectives.

President Trump was initially politically inclined to the Democrats but after the election of Obama, He shifted towards the Republicans. In this modern world its very difficult to be politically independent, Even though he funded most of his election, he is still answerable to members of his Party and other donors who helped him clinch the Presidency.

I see that Trump is acting in the interests of Russia. No one still haven't seen his Declaration. I think he hides it because he's bankrupt. And if so it means that he may well be dependent on Russia.

It's the method of defaulting that matters. Most are owned by the rich elites so who cares.
Millionaires buy bonds so they can have a tax rebate. Therefore the working and the middle class are funding the public services.

How is defunding Obamacare and Abortion and also building a wall across the Mexican border beneficial to the Russians in any way. He is doing what got him elected. At least he is fulfilling the promises he made to those who voted for him how many Politicians can say that.

Trump could, and stubborn. but for me he is a senile old clown. He decided that a policy can act in ways as in showbiz. It is the policy of using the scandal. It helps him be the center of world news, but the country is a huge negative.

The Republicans will stick by Trump until the American people that is the Americans who voted for Trump turn against him. They dont want to feel the scorn of their supporters. It was clearly evident that the Big People in the Republican Party never wanted Trump to win but should they turn against him, They are going to lose massively in the next decade.

I don't think any president of the united states in this century has been truly independent, Trump may have more room to move because he is not a politician but he probably is still subject to some agreements he made to some people that supported his campaign.

May be. But if you are defaulting on your loan, then no one is going to buy your bonds the next time. You are paying 2% interest per year. Next time there will be no buyers even if you offer 20%. Look at Argentina. They tried the same a few years back.

Interesting, a man who beat the best candidates the Republicans could cough up in open debate....

I agree with the prior post, that "we should first know who is ..."

Bonds are nothing but a scam. Money is created out of thin air and converted to bonds. Government can create the money itself and charge no interest. However i prefer no fake money at all.

I think Donald Trump is very independent not like OBAMA that was control by the elites, and  politicians such as Rothschild, Rockefeller, bill Clinton and those that control the media. Trump will definitely going to be the best president American ever produced.

Independent his actions are to random and yet plotted to be an elite control.
Rather the switch has moved to a secondary group that said even if the President is independent their are still enough organizations that can be leveraged against him.
Either that or controlled but Stubborn like the honeybadger
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/005/637/Honey-Badger-Dont-Care.jpg

Eventually, we will stop believing in monolithic evil for its own sake.

Also, hell to the no Trump is independent. He is following the ultra right/alt right playbook ATM, that's decidedly red. Trump has Russia as his master, and the corporate interest his administration serves (there is s reason why defunding the EPA was a campaign slogan). So we will strip away environmental regulations, and worker safeties, and promote coal. And we will lower corporate taxes. Sound familiar? It is. Old school Rebuplican textbook. This is trickle down economics, dusted off and cleaned up with a new label. A populist label.

I agree with you. Trump is the worst President. Other than PR, he has nothing to offer neither the us nor the world. He is torn between his sponsors. He says one thing, promises another, and do third. How can you respect a President? No respect for the President will not respect neither to him nor to America.

When it comes to independence of the president, I make bold to say, it does not exist any where in the world because if Trump had been independent, then the travel ban in the first few weeks of his administration would have passed without any reprisal but because he is answerable to others who are even more powerful than him, he had to go back to the drawing board. Any politician campaigning on his own independence is just a clown deceiving the electorates...

But if we are talking about a dictator? It is clear that Trump is a puppet, but a dictator like Putin or Erdogan? Many of their associates unhappy with their policies, but they can not influence their actions. It turns out that not all countries presidents are puppets.

Trump ain't no puppet.

.... If you ignore.the giant, Russian elephant in the room.

Why do you think that in America ignore the Russian threat? I think it is not. Trump and his team on this occasion had turned a corner. View, every step is controlled by the Senate and the Congress. All decrees Trump blocked by the courts. The CIA investigates links with Russia all team members Trump.

Mis-use.  'Elephant in the room' implies something which is obvious and not talked about.  'The Russians' have been talked about for at least 9 months non-stop.  What's sorely lacking is anything resembling solid evidence, and what 'evidence' is kicking around is ridiculously weak.

Actually, there is a huge elephant in the room regarding influence by a certain other nation who we give a lot of taxpayer money to and in doing so complicate our international relations and sully our own reputation (even more than we manage on our own.)  It's almost as if some of our politicians are under extortion or something.  Some former politicians say that DC is 'occupied territory', where the occupation is by people who have an affinity for said nation.

Don't hold your breath for the Left and the corporate media to attack Trump on this weakness even though it is seemingly the biggest defect the guy and his administration have.

While you search for evidence Putin has threatened America with war for the support of Ukraine. He feels weakness and Trump openly wipes his feet on. He would say so under Reagan or Bush Sr. Trump is a disgrace to the nation.

The options provided for the question is not really fair, OP has already determined that Trump is already not an independent, People should be given the benefit of the doubt and we should go be in this world with an open mind. Thats the best way in life.

Putin today threw an open challenge to Trump. Let's see how this clown will respond to it. I remember that before the election he said he will show Putin who is a strong President. Will wait for his response. Although most likely there will be no answer.

I think that Trump became president thanks to the secret government and if he does something not as beneficial to them, then mass protests will begin. He was well promoted and he became president, although most people did not vote for him. Perhaps his fortune, he also earned thanks to the help of someone from the representatives of the world government.

I doubt that there is a world government. If it existed then why do they President is an idiot? No I'm a supporter of the theory of the case. It seems to me that Trump helped the case. He probably did not expect to win. Just PR.

I think there is a world government, look at how even the Republican Party were sorely against A Trump Prescidency, The whole world was against him, I heard Trumps own dogs were against him being President. They world painted him as a narcissist and fraud. It was only because his message of making America great which resonated so well with the American people which made him win coupled with Obama's uneffectivenes against ISIS and other major problems in the USA that made him the election.

Well shit, I'll bite. Is that said nation Israel?  Because until they work that shit out over there, we will be tipping around on egg shells half defending them and half wagging our fingers at them. We send soooooo much money to Israel. And you won't hear too much about it because pro Israel interests sponsor on both sides of the aisle. Don't bite the hand that feeds.

And I'll keep my choice of elephant, given your definition ;) This has been dismissed so completely by parts of the GOP and hyper conservative media. The Russians pulled a pretty decent psy op on us, and they would have gotten away with it too, if not for those meddling kids. But the outrage expressed at this is less than the daily outrage expressed at Hillary and Obama's mere existence. The GOP is playing it real fast and loose with this one; it will have repercussions around the bend.

You are right,  the Russian connection is quite obvious. And it seems like the Trumpian WH and GOP want to talk about everything else but that. So, I would change it to 'elephant shaped nesting dolls' in the room. With recording equipment inside.

Do you still think that in the US elections were intervened on the orders of Russia or Trump is the chicken president whom the citizens of the United States wanted to see? I'm interested in people's thoughts on this matter. A lot of information that looks like nonsense and so you want truth.

Well, this PR most likely arranged a secret world government. And if someone else has arranged, then the secret world government will remove Trump from the presidency ahead of schedule because they will not be interested in such a clown.

It will be removed anyway. There is a world government or not, but he has no chance. He not only has no support even in his party, but he is a wimp. Trump said that Obama is a wimp, and he can't do anything.

Trump correctly branded Obama as a wimp. Look at his foreign policy. It was a complete disaster. Had anyone with a stable mind was in the office, then the Benghazi attacks would have never happened. And look at the mess in Syria and Iraq.

I completely agree with you. Almost Obama failed the US foreign policy. This potential, which America collected for decades, it has greatly weakened. Maybe Tampa will get it right.

I agree. It can be removed by the end of the year. He will not fulfill his promises and mass protests will begin. It is weak and this will lead to even more exhaustion of the country. Therefore, the faster it is removed the better it will be for the country.