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Title: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being transparent?
Post by: PremiumCodeX on November 17, 2016, 08:19:17 PM
What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being transparent?

What is the level of transparency that we really need?

Because there are methods that could assemble the information in the blockchain with the information from certain other methods and could point with high precision what blockchain activity belongs to who.

Secret services are researching methods like these.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: shorena on November 17, 2016, 08:30:51 PM
What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public? Would it not be more secure if it was hidden from people?

Because there are methods that could assemble the information in the blockchain with the information from certain other methods and could point with high precision what blockchain activity belongs to who. Secret services are researching methods like these.

How would you verify that my transaction is valid if the blockchain is not public?


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: bitbunnny on November 17, 2016, 08:36:38 PM
What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public? Would it not be more secure if it was hidden from people?

Because there are methods that could assemble the information in the blockchain with the information from certain other methods and could point with high precision what blockchain activity belongs to who. Secret services are researching methods like these.

How would you verify that my transaction is valid if the blockchain is not public?

Exactly, that would be a problem and how could we solve this?
I don't think blockchain beeing public is an issue and that this affects security in some substanial manner. And in the digital world you can't entirely hide your privacy we all know that.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: PremiumCodeX on November 17, 2016, 08:49:53 PM
What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public? Would it not be more secure if it was hidden from people?

Because there are methods that could assemble the information in the blockchain with the information from certain other methods and could point with high precision what blockchain activity belongs to who. Secret services are researching methods like these.

How would you verify that my transaction is valid if the blockchain is not public?

I was thinking of an algorithm where the instance of the software could verify the transaction, but it was not possible to make further analysis in it. Like Monero has analysing resistant blockchain with a reason.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: Yakamoto on November 17, 2016, 08:56:45 PM
What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public? Would it not be more secure if it was hidden from people?

Because there are methods that could assemble the information in the blockchain with the information from certain other methods and could point with high precision what blockchain activity belongs to who. Secret services are researching methods like these.

How would you verify that my transaction is valid if the blockchain is not public?

I was thinking of an encryption where the instance of the software could verify the transaction, but it was not possible to make custom queries in it to obtain plus information. Like Monero has analysing resistant blockchain with a reason.
If you really care about people analysing your data ad transactions that much, just look to obfuscate what you have and mix up your data so that it is considerably more difficult for people to trace what you have.

While not perfect, it allows for you to disrupt anyone's analysis of what you have and what you're doing with your stuff, while allowing for other people to look at their records if they want to.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: twodrive01 on November 17, 2016, 08:59:21 PM
Thats why zcash, monero and dash were created. BTW has anybody heard if those mentioned have had any breaches? Would be nice to know. I cant seem to find anything when I google.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: Doamader on November 17, 2016, 10:12:11 PM
I dont need to hide anything im doing online, soo they can search about those. If there were a way to conect each transaction to black market as well to the owners they would already made those. Bitcoin should be an example, for countries manage their adress, how they say they have nothing to hide and do wanna to show all transactions, with some improvement regulamentation.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: shorena on November 17, 2016, 10:17:10 PM
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I was thinking of an algorithm where the instance of the software could verify the transaction, but it was not possible to make further analysis in it. Like Monero has analysing resistant blockchain with a reason.

Its blockchain is still public. The way the signatures are created make it infeasible to follow coins.



I dont need to hide anything im doing online, soo they can search about those. If there were a way to conect each transaction to black market as well to the owners they would already made those. Bitcoin should be an example, for countries manage their adress, how they say they have nothing to hide and do wanna to show all transactions, with some improvement regulamentation.

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Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: Raimonn on November 17, 2016, 10:27:21 PM
What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public? Would it not be more secure if it was hidden from people?

Because there are methods that could assemble the information in the blockchain with the information from certain other methods and could point with high precision what blockchain activity belongs to who. Secret services are researching methods like these.

With a public blockchain you can see that A payed x coins to B address, and anyone can see it. There isn't a need of a trusted company that explains you that A payed x coins to B.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: franky1 on November 17, 2016, 10:55:59 PM
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your birth certificate is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your marriage status is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your family ancestry is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your home address is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your date of birth is not linked to bitcoin.

however if you are going to post your main use bitcoin address in your forum profile
and then tell people on the forum who and where you are.

trying to change bitcoin or complain about bitcoin. when bitcoin asks for nothing. while happily you are giving out info,
is something bitcoin features can never solve. but something you yourself have chose to reveal.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: asriloni on November 17, 2016, 11:00:42 PM
What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public? Would it not be more secure if it was hidden from people?

Because there are methods that could assemble the information in the blockchain with the information from certain other methods and could point with high precision what blockchain activity belongs to who. Secret services are researching methods like these.
What's wrong with public blockchain, and what's your mean about hidden from people? it refers to private blockchain? Feeling free for hear your solution about that. 


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: serjent05 on November 17, 2016, 11:03:13 PM
I think the advantage of having BTC blockchain being public is gaining the trust of the people and at the same time the verification of the transaction of each bitcoin user.  This way by broadcasting the blockchain in public and being verified by different nodes can prevent malicious intent of tampering the blockchain.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: MingLee on November 17, 2016, 11:04:47 PM
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your birth certificate is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your marriage status is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your family ancestry is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your home address is not linked to bitcoin.
bitcoin doesnt ask for personal information. your date of birth is not linked to bitcoin.

however if you are going to post your main use bitcoin address in your forum profile
and then tell people on the forum who and where you are.
that is something bitcoin can never solve. but something you yourself have chose to reveal
This is one of the major points I've said a few times in the past; if you post your information or give it to stores or online retailers, then of course they're going to be able to track you. Anyone who gets "a" and "b" will be able to put the two together if they want to.

Your address is not forcefully linked to your name. You make it that way.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: jeraldskie11 on November 17, 2016, 11:06:35 PM
What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public? Would it not be more secure if it was hidden from people?

Because there are methods that could assemble the information in the blockchain with the information from certain other methods and could point with high precision what blockchain activity belongs to who. Secret services are researching methods like these.
The advantages of being public of blockchain is to get an information by someone, they can see how it could be but the public has no safe because it's free by others they can saw it even the hackers so be careful of using public blockchain.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: BitcoinBarrel on November 18, 2016, 03:50:40 AM
It's not possible, imo, to do ANY sort of physical or digital transaction with 100% privacy and security. You are always going to leave a trace somewhere.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: Kakmakr on November 18, 2016, 05:52:40 AM
A currency has to be public for people to validate the transaction, without the use of a trusted third party. The private Blockchain technologies that are being developed now, will use the banks as the trusted third party. < We do not trust them >

They can manipulate/control/monitor/block/hide transactions with private Blockchains, and that is exactly why this technology is so attractive for them. They cannot do this effectively with cash anymore, so they will ban cash next. We are already seeing this in India. < They are banning the use of larger currencies >   


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: calkob on November 18, 2016, 09:37:43 AM
What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public? Would it not be more secure if it was hidden from people?

Because there are methods that could assemble the information in the blockchain with the information from certain other methods and could point with high precision what blockchain activity belongs to who. Secret services are researching methods like these.

It has to be public other wise how could everyone verify the ledger ?  making sure there is the correct transactions taking place.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: mobnepal on November 18, 2016, 10:31:35 AM
What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public? Would it not be more secure if it was hidden from people?
Banking transactions are hidden from public but they are not secure and everybody knows it, hiding just doesn't mean security.

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Because there are methods that could assemble the information in the blockchain with the information from certain other methods and could point with high precision what blockchain activity belongs to who.
What methods you are talking about? There is no any personal information being shared via blockchain transactions other than just the sending and receiving addresses and the one who own address if don't reveal his link to that address himself there are no any way to track him down.

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Secret services are researching methods like these.
They are researching from start of the bitcoin age but they haven't found any hole in bitcoin anonymity and i don't think they will find any in future too.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: Decoded on November 18, 2016, 11:10:13 AM
There is is no perfectly p2p system without flaws, therefore Bitcoin exists as a decentralised system, where the central processing hub is made out of network participants.

The way this is possible is through (yep, you guessed it) a public ledger. Another plus is to be able to see network activity and give easy access to transaction records to those who actually need it, due to bitcoin's semi-anonymous nature.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: NorrisK on November 18, 2016, 11:28:36 AM
Because the way blockchain work with verifying the blocks by miners, it will always be public.

A single miner verifying Will already Have Access to All blockchain data and can publish it.

Ipublic chains are essential for checking the validity of the entered data.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: ranochigo on November 18, 2016, 11:29:00 AM
Having the blockchain public would allow users to have a provably way to check for transactions and addresses. Without it, how would you know what is the max market cap?

There is no security risk with having the blockchain public. Bitcoin can be darn close to being anonymous if the user uses techniques to hide it.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: doomistake on November 18, 2016, 11:38:22 AM
BTC's blockchain have Advantages and Disadvantages. It is being public to show the bitcoin users that their bitcoin have been processed, it is a proof in short. It's disadvantages is it can be hack by those hacker (black hat), hacker can crack up the private key of every blockchain's wallet that is being processed in the blockchain. If I'm not wrong the biggest heist that happened in the history is 100 million dollars has been stolen from the blockchain from different bitcoin users account.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: Qartersa on November 18, 2016, 12:30:08 PM
This is for the safety of everybody. Since we can all see how transaction happens. We can all immediately check all transaction that happens on the block.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: sportis on November 18, 2016, 08:36:08 PM
      Public blockchain not only bitcoin but Ethereum and other cryptocoins too is transparent from anyone who has internet access. This feature made almost impossible for hacking, without to be under restrictions like as capital controls. Transparency of blockchain publicity is the major advantage comparing with private one.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: Adbitco on November 18, 2016, 08:56:41 PM
People talk about transparency in everything now a days but when it comes to money nobody wants to disclose how much money they have or the sources they have earned it from that's just ridiculous. Blockchain being public is what we call transparency and that's fine.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: jak3 on November 18, 2016, 09:16:09 PM
avcording to me its an legendry step. i have never seen banks to do this type of thing but with blockchain i can get a special tyoe of satisfaction that yes the tracsactions are actully working and i can show them to anyone no need any special permissions or anything


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: harrymmmm on November 18, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
OP's question says 'public', but seems to mean 'transparent', so I'll comment that way.

Obviously most responders to this thread have been living under a rock for years...

The existence of blockchains like monero, dash, confidential transactions, mimble wimble and zcash shows that complete transparency is unnecessary to ensure no double spends can take place, that the total market cap remains as planned, that sources and destinations of transactions may be opaque, etc.

I'm not sure anyone knows how little information must be available for accurate validation in these respects, but it clearly is much less than bitcoin makes available.



Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: kryptqnick on November 19, 2016, 08:55:53 AM
I don't think you are right. If it was that easy to trace to whom some wallet belongs to, there would be no crime connected to btc, because all the drugdealers could be traced. I suppose that is not so. Oh, and what about Nakamoto? Wouldn't such method enable us to know who he is? I heard that he burnt his btc, though. But I don't believe it. And Public blockchain is something good, because it is sort of an evidence that everything is pkay with this or that transaction.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: prabowo96 on November 19, 2016, 02:49:41 PM
What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public? Would it not be more secure if it was hidden from people?

Because there are methods that could assemble the information in the blockchain with the information from certain other methods and could point with high precision what blockchain activity belongs to who. Secret services are researching methods like these.

In my opnion it goes against the idea of Bitcoin, if you want a public coin that expose their users, you can find some alt with focus on that and you can wait to government create and currency like this.

Bitcoin is something against the system, just deal with it.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: Rostadom on November 19, 2016, 02:58:29 PM
I think it's so that people won't be asking where did someone get something from. It shows the entire history so people can see that the whole bitcoin thing is legit and transparent. Anyway, your personal information is not tied up with your address so I don't think you have something to worry about. There are also other ways to avoid getting tracked like using bitcoin mixers if that thing really bothers you.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: clickerz on November 19, 2016, 03:05:59 PM
avcording to me its an legendry step. i have never seen banks to do this type of thing but with blockchain i can get a special tyoe of satisfaction that yes the tracsactions are actully working and i can show them to anyone no need any special permissions or anything

Correct, when you see that transaction are confirming already, you can have a peace of mind that  it is already coming. Since we know that once it is being processed, theres no way to stop it.With blockchain being public, we know transaction is being transparent.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being public?
Post by: QuestionAuthority on November 19, 2016, 03:19:52 PM
We're never going to stop people from buying the things we don't think they should have unless we can see what they're buying using a one world currency. Now don't you hurt your pretty little head by worrying about things you don't control. Just keep preaching the glory of Bitcoin and go to sleep. Daddy's friends over at the club have this all figured out for you. I put a couple of pictures of the club below so you know everything is ok.





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Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being transparent?
Post by: PremiumCodeX on November 19, 2016, 09:34:05 PM
OP's question says 'public', but seems to mean 'transparent', so I'll comment that way.

Obviously most responders to this thread have been living under a rock for years...

The existence of blockchains like monero, dash, confidential transactions, mimble wimble and zcash shows that complete transparency is unnecessary to ensure no double spends can take place, that the total market cap remains as planned, that sources and destinations of transactions may be opaque, etc.

I'm not sure anyone knows how little information must be available for accurate validation in these respects, but it clearly is much less than bitcoin makes available.



Thank you for your suggestion! I modified "public" to "transparent".

I am making clear that we do not discuss whether transparent or private blockchains are better, but the level of transparency that a blockchain should and should not have.

avcording to me its an legendry step. i have never seen banks to do this type of thing but with blockchain i can get a special tyoe of satisfaction that yes the tracsactions are actully working and i can show them to anyone no need any special permissions or anything

Correct, when you see that transaction are confirming already, you can have a peace of mind that  it is already coming. Since we know that once it is being processed, theres no way to stop it.With blockchain being public, we know transaction is being transparent.

I like this argument. It is calming when you can see when your transaction started to get proceeded and also its confirmation in progress.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being transparent?
Post by: sakinaka on November 19, 2016, 10:29:27 PM
For me the sole, real and unique advantage is that bitcoins can't be faked : you can the prove that you own them and so.


Title: Re: What are the advantages of BTC's blockchain being transparent?
Post by: crwth on November 22, 2016, 09:34:37 AM
It is the blockchain's most important property, being transparent. Every transaction that ever happened is recorded everywhere that has the public ledger. It's the records or the so-called blocks that are connected together with a timestamp. That prevents forgery or double spending. Even with all the power of the computer, it is very hard to alter. The advantage is, it is open. Everything can be verified. No need for permission. Everyone should be happy.