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Hello folks,

I'am very new to the altcoin trading and very concerned too.

I bought for 100euros ZECD@YoBit for 270 sats at one pump and try to sell at 290 sats but it dodnt go that high. Now it has 1 sat.
In your experience is this coin's value going to re-pump at 290 sats.

I also bought for 100euros worth LSK@Poloniex when it was 25000 sats. I gave a sell order at 27.000 but that coin too is now at 22.000 sats.

In your experience will i be able to sell those 2 coins at these prices?
I know that noone can predict the future but your experience will help.

So, i would like to hear form you about ZECD & LSK.

Any infomation is valuable for me.

i am going to leave you some advice, it is more like take it or leave it :)

- stop trading on Yobit, it is a bad exchange with bad support, dead wallets, no volume and fake volume which is worse. and many other problems.

- learn what stop loss means. and try to use it when you buy something.

- try to buy in a dip not when price is falling.

- and to be specific to your question, it is hard to say if ZECD or LISK will go up or not but my guess is that they are not because of two reasons: people are not interested in them to buy and also bitcoin price has been rising which creates a dump situation in altcoin markets.

This is the best advice and these things im also gonna say too. Trading on yobit is not bad at all as long you didn't choose the wrong altcoin because for sure you will lose those money you invest on that particular coin.If you bought a coin on decreasing state then for sure you will wait  a long time to recover your loss unless if the coin has a good potential to rise up on the future but if not then say goodbye to your money and hold those dead coins on your wallet.

Some other guys on a chat tell me that i just have to wait for some period of time until a Whale re-pump this ZECD coin again.

Also as for LSK its real value is 40.000 although its urrently at 22000 and i bought it on 25000.

Does someone aggree with those statements?

Lisk probably has decent long-term potential, I'm fairly certain the price will rise eventually.
(But that could be weeks or months from now.)
If you have another investment you know will turn a profit in the short-term, you could always sell for a loss and buy back in.

I was a newcomer to trading and bought LSK an ZECD.

How long by your opinion will take LSK to rise to 27000 ? it must not be long

Also for ZECD i want to sell it but i cannot since its sutcked to 1 satoshi. Any ideas how to treat this one?

you shouldn't just buy random coins and hope for a profit because this is the way to failure.


there have been some pumps happening with lisk but they are all small and i have yet to see any big pump in this coin. so if you are expecting too high a price then i suggest you lower your expectations.


i have no idea what that coin is but if it is worth 1 satoshi i have to tell you it is already dead and stop wasting your time with it!

Thank you for your answers all of you! I should have asked for advice before purchase.

Another thing i wanted to ask you is about walls.

ZECD@YoBit has 10 days a SELL order of 82.000.000 amount of coins at the price of 1 satoshi.

Could you please explain to me why such a thing occured?
I mean what is the idea behind of such an action by someone?

Thank you.

After reading some, it seems like ZECD had a hidden premine. Over all, the coin doesn't look serious and if it was a hidden premine that is probably the reason it went so low. You need to be careful when you invest.

I don't know about ZECD, but about Lisk I think it is promising project and more developments will come later, you can notice that some new ICO accept Lisk for investments like ARK and ICONOMI, that because it is promising coin.

Could you please explain my last question and what exactly is rpemine what is used for?

The premined coins are the coins which dev had mined it before he announced the coin publically, if you watched a huge premined coins, be sure that this coin is a scam, the dev will sell them and run away, like ZECD, I checked it now on yobit, the huge sell order on 1 sat means no one is buying this coin, it is dead coin.

Isn't there a possibility for people to buy this huge amounts of ZECD coins at 1 sat then on 2 sats and so on until the coin reachers 200 sats again, which was the latter pump value it had before going 1 sat again?

And also there a re people every day buying some amount of coins in 1 sta's value.

sell order at 1 sat was of 82.000.000 amount of ZECDs and now it gone to 52.000.000 coins.

The 30.000.000 coins difference meaning some people keep on buying every day ZECDs and at some point the amount of coins values 1 sta will be met.

I told you that I don't know this coin, but look at 24 hours volume, it is 0.01BTC, very low. If you want to buy a coin for trading stay away from coin like this, there are hundreds of coins, just visit coinmarketcap, why you insest on buying this coin.If you have some ZECD, but a sell order and forget them, maybe you manage to sell them.

I have 56.000 ZECD that costed me 110 euros and my SELL order is at 290 sats. i bought them at 270.

My hope is to wait for a whale that will make another pump to happen.

Ok i took a quick look at the coin and (not) surprisingly it is only found on yobit and nowhere else.

anything is possible but this is a clear dead coin and my guess is that it will never come back up again. and you said you bought it at 270 satoshi which means you have been holding it for at least 10 days and up to 1 satoshi drop, this is wrong because you have waited to lose 99.62% of your investment and then think about it!

the problem is that you can not even dump it now since there is no buy order so that you can sell it to, the buy orderbook is empty!

But there is at least a rremote chance of the dv or some whale to re-pump it? At least give me that?!

There is always a chance, but very unlikely.

Don't quit your day job.

Any coin could get pumped again, but that might not be for a few months, or a year even...
You can just set a sell order and hope it gets pumped again, but don't waste your time checking every day.
It's going to be a while before a coin sitting at 1 satoshi gets pumped that high again.

there is no real value. the value is only decided by what some other sucker is gonna give you for it. could it go back up there? sure. there's no reason why and no reason why not.

never heard of your other coin. 1 satoshi don't sound too encouraging to me. you want a 270x rise to break even? dunno what the volumes are. it might only take $15 to do that. hang onto it anyway and be ready to dump.

next time don't listen to empty hype and try to figure things out for yourself. and if you're concerned about a 100 euro loss then trading isn't for you.

ALL coins are going to pump at one time or the other, it might take months though. So you have to keep checking back regularly.

It depends on the whales. If they have accumulated enough, then they might start pumping a good coin.

Lisk has some true potential, so I don't worry too much about it. However, about ZECD, the only thing I can say is : what is that ?

Nobody know ZECD, as it only exists in YoBit Exchange Market, while LSK exists in all markets.

I believe thewhales who pumped ZECD in 300 sats will re-pump it again.

Question is how long i have to wait for that to happen.

i checked it out for you and i am sorry to say that it looks like that coin is finished for good and at this point the only thing that is going to change about it is the size of the 1 satoshi wall on the sell orders because miners are mining more and there is only one place to sell it and nobody seems to be buying this coin.

if you were holding a small amount i would have told you to keep it but since you seem to have bought 100euros worth of this coin i say if you wait there is like 1% chance of it getting pumped again and 99% that you can never sell it even for 1 satoshi.

But i just don't understand why it is so difficult to get re-pumped again by some whale. How it got pumped to 300 sats beforw.

It only needs the DEV or some Whale's decision to pump it again!

Pumps do possibly happens on two things( Pure manipulation of the DEV and Whales) but the big question here is on when that will happen thats why we should really look at on the particular coin we bought. As OP stated hes waiting for LSK and ZECD. On LSK i could say it will surely pump on a particular time you will just need patience and timing though but on ZECD its just my first time to hear of that coin.

Forging start will give new pamp for Lisk.

Forging start = ?

Please elaborate.

the two coins you are comparing are two very different projects Lisk is still alive and kicking and it is still possible for it to rise and i can even say it can go back very high because there are pumpers who are interested in coins like this.

but the other coin ZECD is a dead project and a dead coin and apart from you i doubt that anybody else is interested in this coin or even holding it. even their announcement is locked https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1666969.0;all and people are reporting about a scam premine situation with the coin.

I don't know ZECD but I know of LSK: it is a pity that with all the money in the hands of Lisks developers they seem not to know what to do with the project to make it a success, but they decided to go the way of Ethereum foundation by wanting to get richer with the introduction of Forging. Who are those that will benefits from this, they are the Lisks bag-holder , but the market will find the real value when the new tokens will enter the market and continue to dilute the price

I have still a question on zECD.

Its still sitting in 1 sat but i noticed that the seel order from 80.000.000 has been met partially and it has gone to 50M coins and after a few days it has gone afain to 80 M coins.

Can you explain this? Why is there a wall of 80 M coins in that coin and why why when ppl buy it and gets met still it regoes to 80 M ?

it is miners who are trying too hard to dump the coins they have mined and the only way they can do it is to place an order on 1 satoshi and also other people like you who have bought this coin on other prices are finally giving up and trying to sell their coins on 1 satoshi also.

also it is possible that Yobit is faking the orderbook too with a fixed 80 M wall since they are not honest.

Thank you very much for the explanation.

a) I have 55.000 ZECD and i would like to get rid of them too but i payed 110e to buy them.
What good it will do to me to also give another sell order of 1 sat? How much money will i gain from such a sell?

b) Is it possible that YoBit is faking the OrderBook? Why are you saying such a thing?

See friend as per my experience what it matters is the rate in your denomination on which you run your life.You merely cant speak about the rate in bitcoin.
Example: when XMR was 0.004BTC then btc was ~400 usd , some might have invested 100 euro in it and would have got "X" amount of XMR , and from then the btc/usd price starting getting high and now the it is ~750 usd. so you will get much less amount of XMR now (0.01BTC per XMR).

so you must concentrate on value not in number.

As far as i am concerned with LISK , you actually did a right job in buying it , in future you wont regret it. I cant say anything about ZECD.

I dont know about ZECD and if you see this coin is only on Yobit exchange should be careful cause i dont think this coin will whale chose to pump.
For Lisk don't worry i believe this coin still have potential to get pump again just wait and patient, many new coin will adopted Lisk platform.
Advice for you, If You want to buy new coin should make research first if not you will get lose and lose again, many coin like garbage

Looking back on this, I feel bad for the op. I just bought 20000000 zecd for a couple bucks :(