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Title: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: ArmoredDragon on April 07, 2013, 08:18:58 AM
I started mining bitcoins for the first time back in January, and based on my research I had made the determination that eligius would be my best choice. Right now my mining works like this: A radeon 5750 and a 7850, both overclocked, on two separate machines, with a combined hash rate of roughly 550Mh/s. I didn't buy these cards for mining, rather they are cards for gaming that I already had, so I figured I would experiment with mining, and so far I like the results. However lately I keep running into this:

https://i.imgur.com/SqxRI0V.png

Naturally, I'm not getting anywhere if my client can't actually participate in the mining process. I did research on p2pool and I heard something about variance being no good. My statistics page here doesn't seem to indicate that I am doing that well on eligius though:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1MxuKm4jdpGqpUSJRE45gbanGsePEkRJnq

Many of the dips are from suspending the mining while I play games, but I haven't played any games at all in the last two weeks. My network works fine (I am a network engineer btw) as I do regular SLA testing (hobby of mine) and there are no ISP connectivity issues indicated by that, nor do I notice any downtime from any other sites.

I realize that it is basically impossible to accurately predict how much you'll actually be able to mine. However, is there at least any statistic gathering anywhere that will give me an idea if I'll get better results from another pool?


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: Newar on April 07, 2013, 09:40:06 AM
I realize that it is basically impossible to accurately predict how much you'll actually be able to mine. However, is there at least any statistic gathering anywhere that will give me an idea if I'll get better results from another pool?
I guess that's why it's called "luck".


It depends what you are looking for? My choice was for pools that pay tx fees and do merged mining. Others have a protocol they prefer, want a pool near to them or are looking for an API. Some info here:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Comparison_of_mining_pools


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: martynw2000 on April 07, 2013, 10:28:36 AM
I'm currently on a PPLNS pool, which basically means I get paid a percentage of each block based on how many shares I contribute over a 24h period. This works well for me, because all my mining machines are in constant operation 24/7.

If you're not mining all the time, then for you it might be better to be on a PPS pool where you are paid per share. Good ones to try are 50BTC, Deepbit and BTC Guild. At the current difficulty, with 500mhps you might get $130 a month if you mine continuously. Less if you take breaks for gaming etc. I guess you have to weigh that up against how much you pay for power.

I think 50BTC have one of the best rates for PPS at the moment.

Hope that helps


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: docjunior on April 07, 2013, 10:39:08 AM
I am very happy with BitMinter, with the exception that hash rates seem to fluctuate a little bit, and they (as everyone else) have experienced some short DDOS attacks, but downtime seems to be minutes, not hours or days.


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: jorov on April 07, 2013, 10:43:13 AM
Try Slush.
If you have any concerns or doubts, you may also try Slush ;)


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: ajas on April 07, 2013, 11:25:16 AM

A point to consider would be to chose a mining pool that is not too large.

One essential idea is that bitcoin mining is decentralised so that nobody
has the power to compromize the blockchain. This was the reasoning for
me to chose a 'small' mining pool.



Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: ArmoredDragon on April 07, 2013, 04:22:16 PM
I'm currently on a PPLNS pool, which basically means I get paid a percentage of each block based on how many shares I contribute over a 24h period. This works well for me, because all my mining machines are in constant operation 24/7.

If you're not mining all the time, then for you it might be better to be on a PPS pool where you are paid per share. Good ones to try are 50BTC, Deepbit and BTC Guild. At the current difficulty, with 500mhps you might get $130 a month if you mine continuously. Less if you take breaks for gaming etc. I guess you have to weigh that up against how much you pay for power.

I think 50BTC have one of the best rates for PPS at the moment.

Hope that helps

I run on nuclear here, it's roughly 10 cents per KW/h. That would average out to about $14 per month with the power my GPU's consume, except realistically it is hitting about $5 per month. I use SRP m-power so I can easily determine what I am paying at any given moment, and the price difference while mining vs sitting idle is barely even observable.


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: martynw2000 on April 07, 2013, 04:28:37 PM
Well in that case, set your machine to mine whenever you're not gaming, and earn some cash. With the BTC price rising all the time, and it seems like you have low overheads, you shouldn't go wrong. As I said before though, if you're not mining all the time, PPS (pay per share) is probably the way to go.


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: ArmoredDragon on April 07, 2013, 04:31:19 PM
I do have a machine that never stops mining (which is my server rig that also hosts my NAS.) My main rig (which has 60% of the Mh/s) mines probably 90% of the time, that remaining 10% is while I am playing games. Some games such as league of legends allow me to mine and play at the same time as they aren't very compute intensive (but are memory intensive - so basically the miner and the game use different parts of the GPU.)

What is the advantage of 50btc over eligius?


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: Aahzman on April 07, 2013, 05:07:39 PM
Just decide via "One potato, two potato..." aka the Leslie Winkle Scientific Methodology.


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: dragon2nd on April 07, 2013, 05:30:41 PM
I started mining bitcoins for the first time back in January, and based on my research I had made the determination that eligius would be my best choice. Right now my mining works like this: A radeon 5750 and a 7850, both overclocked, on two separate machines, with a combined hash rate of roughly 550Mh/s. I didn't buy these cards for mining, rather they are cards for gaming that I already had, so I figured I would experiment with mining, and so far I like the results. However lately I keep running into this:

https://i.imgur.com/SqxRI0V.png

Naturally, I'm not getting anywhere if my client can't actually participate in the mining process. I did research on p2pool and I heard something about variance being no good. My statistics page here doesn't seem to indicate that I am doing that well on eligius though:

http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1MxuKm4jdpGqpUSJRE45gbanGsePEkRJnq

Many of the dips are from suspending the mining while I play games, but I haven't played any games at all in the last two weeks. My network works fine (I am a network engineer btw) as I do regular SLA testing (hobby of mine) and there are no ISP connectivity issues indicated by that, nor do I notice any downtime from any other sites.

I realize that it is basically impossible to accurately predict how much you'll actually be able to mine. However, is there at least any statistic gathering anywhere that will give me an idea if I'll get better results from another pool?

slush's is the best. http://mining.bitcoin.cz


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: martynw2000 on April 07, 2013, 06:02:41 PM

What is the advantage of 50btc over eligius?

I don't know what rates Eligius are paying, but last time I looked these were the rates per share:

50BTC = 0.00000316
Deepbit = 0.00000293
BTC Guild = 0.00000310


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: workin_machine on April 07, 2013, 06:58:28 PM
i am mining in http://eclipsemc.com and satisfied with it.

DGM or PPS payment

PPS rate is 0.00000310 /sh


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: baad on April 07, 2013, 07:39:27 PM
Hi,

Can anyone tell the experiences with MT.RED?

Thanks.


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: ArmoredDragon on April 07, 2013, 08:37:08 PM

What is the advantage of 50btc over eligius?

I don't know what rates Eligius are paying, but last time I looked these were the rates per share:

50BTC = 0.00000316
Deepbit = 0.00000293
BTC Guild = 0.00000310

How do you find these? I just tried slush and I am already getting a much higher (estimated) payout than with eligius. A problem I had with eligius other than the communication failure was frequently getting a bunch of rejected shares. I'm curious what slush's is currently at.


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: WeTradeCoins on April 07, 2013, 09:01:55 PM
Another option you should consider is start mining LTCs and simply trade them for BitCoins on an exchange market like btc-e.com

If you looking for a promising LTC mining pool happily check ours at www.WeMineLTC.com (http://www.WeMineLTC.com) :)


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: ArmoredDragon on April 07, 2013, 09:45:27 PM
I'm looking at possibly CPU mining with LTC. How much income could I see at a hash rate of 100Kh/s?


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: Lodbrok on April 07, 2013, 10:15:27 PM
The first pool I saw was deepbit and that is the one I got recommended.  Is this decision correct?


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: Gator-hex on April 07, 2013, 10:41:12 PM
Use PPS not any other scam payment system

50BTC and BitMinter are my recommendations.


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: phrozenspite on April 07, 2013, 10:46:01 PM
Slush's is a good one.  the bitparking merged mining pool http://mmpool.bitparking.com/pool has a pretty high PPS rate and offers other currencies for added income.  Mtred is cool, but they've had some issues with withdrawals recently https://mtred.com/.

I agree that now is a good time for alt coin mining(litecoin, ppc)  You can double your mining income potentially and they do allow GPU mining as well if you have a decent card.
check profitability here http://dustcoin.com/mining.  I recommend using Coinotron as a pool for LTC and PPC https://coinotron.com/coinotron/AccountServlet?action=home
And then you withdraw alt currencies to a site like https://vircurex.com/welcome/index?referral_id=794-7116 (referral gives you lower fees too), or BTC-E and exchange for BTC.   


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: adamh87 on April 07, 2013, 11:24:31 PM
ping them all


whichever has lowest ping is the best

assuming they have the same fees. obvously lower fee is better


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: adamh87 on April 07, 2013, 11:25:25 PM
Try Slush.
If you have any concerns or doubts, you may also try Slush ;)

slush is not based in the USA so it could have worse pings and lower results


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: ArmoredDragon on April 08, 2013, 12:02:17 AM
bitparking I get 44ms and slush I get 143ms. Does that really make a big difference?


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: adamh87 on April 08, 2013, 12:09:29 AM
bitparking I get 44ms and slush I get 143ms. Does that really make a big difference?

everytime a new block is found the pool has to tell you to work on this new block

if it takes slush 100ms more to tell you... you are wasting 100ms on an old one

that adds up... at least 7 minutes a month of wasted time   (may not sound like a lot)


best thing you can do is set up failover pools in CGminer, so if one pool goes down, you mine
on a different one automatically.... many times ive woken up and seen my miner has been
idle for 4 hours beause the pool went down and i didnt have a backup


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: ArmoredDragon on April 08, 2013, 01:53:34 AM
bitparking I get 44ms and slush I get 143ms. Does that really make a big difference?

everytime a new block is found the pool has to tell you to work on this new block

if it takes slush 100ms more to tell you... you are wasting 100ms on an old one

that adds up... at least 7 minutes a month of wasted time   (may not sound like a lot)


best thing you can do is set up failover pools in CGminer, so if one pool goes down, you mine
on a different one automatically.... many times ive woken up and seen my miner has been
idle for 4 hours beause the pool went down and i didnt have a backup

Don't most pools treat that like pool hopping, and if you only contributed at the beginning of a block, you don't get anything at all?

Also, does it switch back to your main pool once it is back up? Or does it stay on the failover pool until you tell it otherwise?


Title: Re: Help me pick a mining pool
Post by: adamh87 on April 08, 2013, 04:42:00 AM
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Don't most pools treat that like pool hopping, and if you only contributed at the beginning of a block, you don't get anything at all?

Also, does it switch back to your main pool once it is back up? Or does it stay on the failover pool until you tell it otherwise?

I've just tested it, and yes while one pool went down, it temporarilly swtiched two pool #2, then went back when pool #1 came back up

maybe the 2nd pool would give a lesser reward but pool #1 is down :)