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Title: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: AdolfinWolf on December 03, 2016, 01:28:02 PM
Do you guys think they are going to vote yes for the referendum, which could lead to leave the EU aswell, Like GB did? And is it going to impact the price of bitcoins?

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3996058/Will-Quitaly-sink-EU-Tomorrow-No-vote-referendum-Italy-lead-Europe-spark-economic-crisis-writes-ROBERT-HARDMAN.html


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: Daniel91 on December 03, 2016, 02:23:29 PM
Do you guys think they are going to vote yes for the referendum, which could lead to leave the EU aswell, Like GB did? And is it going to impact the price of bitcoins?

Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3996058/Will-Quitaly-sink-EU-Tomorrow-No-vote-referendum-Italy-lead-Europe-spark-economic-crisis-writes-ROBERT-HARDMAN.html

Result of this referendum in Italy can lead only to the resignation of Italian Prime Minister if the referendum fails.
Italy will not leave EU because of result of this referendum, no way.
It's referendum about Italian government mostly, if people trust them or not.
If most voters will vote no, we will probably see new election in Italy very soon.
Of course, in next election, there is very good possibility that populist party will win and raise the question of leaving the Eu, but it's very hard to predict future, specially in Italy :)


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: Sithara007 on December 03, 2016, 05:00:50 PM
Unless the German chancellor Angela Merkel changes her dictatorial behavior, we are going to see more Western European Union nations leaving the EU. Merkel behaves as if she is some kind of empress. France and Italy may be the next after United Kingdom.


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: Tyrantt on December 03, 2016, 05:10:15 PM
EU is slowly but surely falling apart. Yesterday UK,. tomorrow France and Italy. Yet Germany is ruining the Europe once again.


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: viziano on December 03, 2016, 07:51:16 PM
Every country is leaving EU but my country wants to get in.
mkd


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: saddampbuh on December 03, 2016, 08:53:47 PM
whatever the result there's still a big majority in italy for staying in the eu so don't get your hopes up, even if they do get a referendum the aging italian voters will resist any measure that lead to their savings redenominated in a devalued national currency, greece was in worse shape and there was never a hint of them leaving the eu, i don't like it but it is what it is


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: Sithara007 on December 04, 2016, 01:34:11 PM
whatever the result there's still a big majority in italy for staying in the eu so don't get your hopes up, even if they do get a referendum the aging italian voters will resist any measure that lead to their savings redenominated in a devalued national currency, greece was in worse shape and there was never a hint of them leaving the eu, i don't like it but it is what it is

Italy is not an economic powerhouse, like the United Kingdom. Without the trade with Germany and France, Italy will be in a very bad shape. So it is too early to predict the results.... When we'll be having the exit polls?


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: kodoll on December 04, 2016, 04:24:31 PM
whatever the result there's still a big majority in italy for staying in the eu so don't get your hopes up, even if they do get a referendum the aging italian voters will resist any measure that lead to their savings redenominated in a devalued national currency, greece was in worse shape and there was never a hint of them leaving the eu, i don't like it but it is what it is

Italy is not an economic powerhouse, like the United Kingdom. Without the trade with Germany and France, Italy will be in a very bad shape. So it is too early to predict the results.... When we'll be having the exit polls?
Italy is really not the most developed country, but recent events in the world suggests that not educated people can by their actions to destroy the whole system of the country. I think that such decisions can be made only by specialists.


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: Tyrantt on December 04, 2016, 04:55:23 PM
Every country is leaving EU but my country wants to get in.
mkd

Serbia knows your pain. Most of the people here do not want to join EU (it will probably fall apart before we enter) but Overlord Aleksandar Vucic says we're going to anyways. Also, EU asks of us to recognize Kosovo as a country but that's one thing that people will never do here, so we're kind of in a stalemate.


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: markj113 on December 04, 2016, 04:59:50 PM
Every country is leaving EU but my country wants to get in.
mkd

Serbia knows your pain. Most of the people here do not want to join EU (it will probably fall apart before we enter) but Overlord Aleksandar Vucic says we're going to anyways. Also, EU asks of us to recognize Kosovo as a country but that's one thing that people will never do here, so we're kind of in a stalemate.

The problem is all the countries that want join only want to do so for free money and free movement of people.

All the countries that want to leave are sick of funding all the other countries and getting over run with immigrants.

What do you think will happen after the UK has left followed by France, Italy and the Netherlands, a bit of budget problem there  ::)


http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/europe/09/eu_budget_spending/img/graph_net_contrib_466x485.gif



Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: clickerz on December 04, 2016, 05:16:07 PM
It seems that EU are falling apart one by one. So, this referendum will determine Italy's faith re: the EU.But in some news,it is more likely that people will follow the Brexit, some says majority are with EU hmmm this is interesting.


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: Tyrantt on December 04, 2016, 05:26:21 PM
Every country is leaving EU but my country wants to get in.
mkd

Serbia knows your pain. Most of the people here do not want to join EU (it will probably fall apart before we enter) but Overlord Aleksandar Vucic says we're going to anyways. Also, EU asks of us to recognize Kosovo as a country but that's one thing that people will never do here, so we're kind of in a stalemate.

The problem is all the countries that want join only want to do so for free money and free movement of people.

All the countries that want to leave are sick of funding all the other countries and getting over run with immigrants.

What do you think will happen after the UK has left followed by France, Italy and the Netherlands, a bit of budget problem there  ::)


http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/europe/09/eu_budget_spending/img/graph_net_contrib_466x485.gif


I completely agree with the richjer countries giving money to the poor ones and the poor ones taking advantage of that.
And as I've said earlier, with yesterday Uk leaving, Tomorrow France and Italy... EU is slowly but surely falling apart and with the rich countries leaving and poor ones getting in, Germany can't finance all of those countries on it's own.


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: reee on December 04, 2016, 05:34:15 PM
This referendum has nothing to do with the remaining/leaving the UE. In both cases Italy will remain in EU.


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: manbitcoinlover on December 04, 2016, 08:22:28 PM
I feel like this title is misleading, Italy is not having a vote to leave EU like the UK, can anyone be clear and specify what exactly are they voting on, there are so many articles that like to promote BS and lie to the public, I need an average citizens opinion.


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: snipie on December 05, 2016, 12:14:19 AM
This referendum has nothing to do with the remaining/leaving the UE. In both cases Italy will remain in EU.

staying or leaving the EU is not related to this referendum directly but the resign of the prime minister after this fail will endorse the other parties including the one requesting to leave the fallen union :P


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: Sithara007 on December 05, 2016, 10:45:35 AM
Every country is leaving EU but my country wants to get in.
mkd

Serbia knows your pain. Most of the people here do not want to join EU (it will probably fall apart before we enter) but Overlord Aleksandar Vucic says we're going to anyways. Also, EU asks of us to recognize Kosovo as a country but that's one thing that people will never do here, so we're kind of in a stalemate.

Serbia is surrounded in all sides by hostile nations. IMO, it will be better if they join the Eurasian Customs Union headed by Russia. But if they do so, then they will again face problems due to the geographical discontinuity.


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: bitjoin on December 05, 2016, 02:03:01 PM

lol completely missed what was happening here, more good news for bitcoin though with uncertainty from italy and trump on mexico.  How long before we have a major fallout i wonder.


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: zero1ten on December 05, 2016, 09:34:12 PM
This referendum has nothing to do with the remaining/leaving the UE. In both cases Italy will remain in EU.

staying or leaving the EU is not related to this referendum directly but the resign of the prime minister after this fail will endorse the other parties including the one requesting to leave the fallen union :P

I'm kinda out of the loop with this one so what's really at stake with this Italian referendum? Is there going to be a negative economic repercussions either way the referendum results went?


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: BADecker on December 05, 2016, 11:16:31 PM
Matteo Renzi resigns: Italy's PM stands down after crushing 20-point defeat in referendum (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/208334-2016-12-05-matteo-renzi-resigns-italys-pm-stands-down-after-crushing-20.htm)


https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/001-1205092254-Matteo-Renzi-resigns.jpg (http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/News/208334-2016-12-05-matteo-renzi-resigns-italys-pm-stands-down-after-crushing-20.htm)


Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi has announced his resignation, saying he takes full responsibility for the "extraordinarily clear defeat" of his package of constitutional reforms in Sunday's referendum.

With more than 90 per cent of the results in, the "No" campaign led with almost 60 per cent of the vote to slightly over 40 per cent for "Yes", on course to achieve the upper estimate predicted by exit polls.

Mr Renzi had conflated his centrist leadership with a "Yes" vote and promised to step down if he lost, and called a news conference in Rome as the result became clear.

Addressing the nation at the Palazzo Chigi on Sunday night, Mr Renzi declared that his "experience of government finishes here".

"We tried, we gave Italians a chance to change but we didn't make it," he said. "We wanted to win not to take part in the competition.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/readmore_card/public/thumbnails/image/2016/12/04/22/matteo-renzi.jpg

READ MORE (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-referendum-exit-poll-suggests-victory-for-no-a7455576.html)

Italy referendum exit polls suggest clear victory for 'No'

"I lost. I can admit it and I am sorry. I was not able to lead you to the victory.

"Good luck to us all," he concluded.


Read more at http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italian-pm-matteo-renzi-resigns-after-crushing-defeat-in-constitutional-referendum-a7455726.html.


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Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: Sithara007 on December 06, 2016, 07:16:28 AM
So I guess it is bad time for Angela Merkel right now. She is rapidly losing her allies (Bulgaria, France, and now Italy). I hope that she loses the elections in 2017. Europe can still be saved from catastrophe. But as long as Angela Merkel is in power, that is not going to happen. 


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: Daniel91 on December 06, 2016, 03:58:19 PM
So I guess it is bad time for Angela Merkel right now. She is rapidly losing her allies (Bulgaria, France, and now Italy). I hope that she loses the elections in 2017. Europe can still be saved from catastrophe. But as long as Angela Merkel is in power, that is not going to happen. 

Yes, it's bad time for her but she is strong and will not give up from eU and Europe, no doubt about it.
In my opinion, Merkel is last hope for Europe.
European leaders lost vision and direction.
They need to unite around new vision and direction or Europe will collapse and lost its influence.
Only Merkel can do it so I hope she will win elections in Germany next year.
Italy will not leave EU, don't worry about it :)






Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: manbitcoinlover on December 06, 2016, 04:56:11 PM
Was this even a big vote or not? Should people put more attention and worry about this outcome or not? That dude alex jones made a video on youtube about this election, he mentioned something about how the vote was good for freedom. For me, I dont listen to  him a lot, I dont trust  him.


Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: BADecker on December 06, 2016, 05:10:01 PM
If they do leave the EU, maybe the USA will accept them as a State.

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Title: Re: Referendum in Italy Which could lead them to leave the EU
Post by: Mersedes on December 07, 2016, 12:17:49 PM
Was this even a big vote or not? Should people put more attention and worry about this outcome or not? That dude alex jones made a video on youtube about this election, he mentioned something about how the vote was good for freedom. For me, I dont listen to  him a lot, I dont trust  him.
In the world there was another clown! Italy is not the richest country in Europe. I am sure that even if she leaves the EU it will mean nothing to Germany and France. Affected only by Italians.