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It's obvious he's lying.I feel sorry for your loss and positive trust rating fails yet again.I've repeated it over 100 times to use escrow against whoever you're dealing with.Not a sign of email or password change has been found.Ive left him a negative feedback,hope someone from DT does it before he pulls out another scam.

Where are vod, shorena?
Haven't I told them before? More to come believe me or take action.

Yes please DT members mark him or get him to pay :(

Could you please provide screenshots of these messages between yourself and stex?

Sure,

http://imgur.com/M8KkP3l
http://imgur.com/a/QUDka
http://imgur.com/84MphXf
http://imgur.com/0esgnmE
http://imgur.com/4H2EQkm
http://imgur.com/7VgEmbJ

And he kept going on that his account was hacked.....let me know if more screenshots are needed. Thanks!

"Please take back your cards" lol. I have negative rated him, use this as a learning experience to use escrow always!

After reviewing the evidence, I have done the same.

As devthedev has stated, USE ESCROW.

Thank god sorry for loss but i was going to go first with him

How is it obvious! Just saw this thread and will do my best to respond here.

How stupid is it to trade huge amounts without escrow. I did not get his cards, my account was hacked. I woke up in the morning, saw the email exchanges and realized right away something's going on. When I logged in I saw a few Amazon codes (that's what i thought because the hacker was trading Amazon with a few more people). I told him right away to use the cards and somehow take whatever he can.

First of all, that's not a great evidence. He is not lying, I am not lying. I understand he lost money, but it wasn't my fault at all. Half of the conversation is the scammer, and not me. The scammer was also trading with other people here, I am not sure how that will help to bring them here or not. Wish there was a way to check ip logs for any bitcointalk accounts, I don't care if mine is exposed. Is there a way?

What would you do in such a case?

I have traded with many people here. There's a good number of people that have trusted me and I have trusted so many and have been honest. I have not scammed anyone, not even close. That's not what I am.
The best part is, I do not shop at kohl's. I will never purchase any Kohl's GC here

https://i.imgur.com/c1r5v7h.png

Here's some evidence.

So at 3:39:09PM this transaction is taking place. At 03:43:54PM - 5 whole minutes later of the OP sending the codes, your account is suddenly hacked? Hmmm. Okay.

You clearly state at 03:49:42PM that your password had been changed. There is no evidence of this on your trust page. Seclog does indeed show: November 29, 2016, 03:42:11 PM - stex2009 - password changed though.

I call BS for the time being. The 5 minute difference just seems off. It would appear that you scammed this dude from my angle. You are responsible for any damage your account does, whether it was indeed you, or not. Own up - pay the OP the BTC he is owed, and then we will look at the situation further.

stex2009 please pay the BTC you owe me for the cards.... there's no way to know if your account was actually hacked and even if it was it is not my fault. In PM you said its been hacked before as well so you should have been more careful and kept your password safe and difficult. You are liable for your account. Please don't scam me and pay up. Thanks.

i m sorry for you man :-[

I'm so curious about this.
OP can you provide proof he DID use them? I had a similar situation on another forum and I was able to call customer service to get proof.

Yes, that is exactly what happened, Mr Sherlock Holmes. I saw some codes in the email communication (there were many emails , some with other members here, luckily they never traded) and instead of getting ready for work and getting my kids to school i came to him and started sending him messages to somehow use the cards. It ws only 5 mins, and john could have used a few of them and saved some headache! I have dealt with so many people here, never even accused of stealing a penny, forget about hundreds of dollars. I am not that kind of a person.
I changed the password right away after i came to know, so the scammer does not deal with anyone else while i am away for a few hours in the morning.

The 5 whole minutes later thing, you think i should have waited for 50 mins, so someone else could have been scammed too?

I really wish someone scams your account and see what you do in that case.

I will also ask some people here to start reviewing this too, who have known me for years. i just do not want this to be a bloodbath of red color everywhere on this forums profiles.

Let's try this too. john, what do you think?
I want this to be fair for you too, John, I understand you lost money, and that i did not steal your money. I try to step back every time i write something here instead of trying to dismiss in anger. can you get some more proof of this? Is there a way to check?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1706465.0

Guess you got your wish. Just not in the way you intended it.

Anyway, I am out of this. If you can conclusively prove that you did not scam this person, I will remove my neg.

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@john38474 - hope you get your money back man. Don't hold your breath though. I was a victim of a $650 scam today as well. It can happen to us all.

All the best :)

I didn't hack into yours, lol. Sorry, it happened to you, but my situation is slightly different as you see it.

I am not paying $161 or whatever he is asking for as I did not scam him. Hope you understand my situation too.

stex2009 I have no way to check who used it. You can try and find it out if its possible which I am pretty sure it isnt since most probably you used it in store. Even if it was used online they might not give out details for customer privacy. Also there is ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF that you didnt use it!

Also, your past feedback has got nothing to do with what happened in this case. Like "Zepher" just posted, he was scammed by a legendary member. There is always a first time.

Now as much as I want to believe you, there is no proof at all and it is your mistake if someone is scammed using your account. Also if you cant keep your accounts say like you say its been hacked twice now, you honestly dont deserve the green trust since it will be hacked again right? Please pay for what I gave you/ your account. Thanks!

I give $10 for the inconvenience my account has caused. Please note, I did not use your cards and I notified you on time to use your cards somehow to prevent the scammer from using it.

If you do not want $10, I will be ok with the red trust. and, I can buy some gift cards from you too if you like !

The prove he has provided isn't good enough either !
What about the usage of GCs . I never shop at Kohls, I have not used his GC, they are not even worth $10 to me.


I changed the password when I realized the codes were sent. I saw emails on my phone, but used a tablet quickly to change my password first. I wish I was quicker, but I had no idea what was going on. I was really hoping John's GC would be safe. With GC in my possesion I can guarantee them to be safe. People have sent me thousands of dollars of stuff and have trusted me, this $125 is nothing. The hacker just used my password to login. He also deleted the conversations with various members he was having. I wish there was a way to check account login details.

I dont believe you, either way you have to reimburse the payment because it was on your behalf that the scam happen.

I'm sorry, this is all bizarre logic.  So if the forum gets hacked, individual users are responsible for the hacker's actions?  Why should the victim be responsible for damages just because the perpetrator isn't known?  Why not hold theymos responsible while you're at it?

Having said that, I don't usually buy the "I got hacked!" routine.  The whole Master-P debacle soured me on that, but there have been so many other examples too.

This is not any bizarre logic because there is no proof that stex2009 is actually saying the truth. Saying his account was hacked is no excuse at all.

You can keep the 10$ and the red trust bro. This is stupid. Anyone could scam and then offer 10$ to remove the red trust. Thats no way! I want my 161$ back or make a real offer.

I was speaking to step about deal he sound real sketchy lucky I didn't go first

Honestly,

Most of these Kohl's offers have been linked to fraud.
So I'm on the fence.

Well, which is it?  You're saying he didn't get hacked, but if he did get hacked it's his own fault and he still owes you.  If it's the latter argument,  I think blaming the victim is wrong and you're using whatever argument is most convenient.  Chrislandin is right, deep discounted gift card sales are shady anyway.  I've no sympathy for either one of you.

Ok I am saying he DID NOT get hacked and so he should pay up.

Now even if we agree for a minute that he got hacked, and he says it has happened before as well. Then ofcourse its his responsibility. Because if its not whats gonna happen when his account is hacked again the third time and someone is scammed again? He cannot just get away saying it was hacked.

And stex2009, your green trust account was worth more than $161. You are being stupid, just pay up for what you owe me and get this done.

I entirely agree. Each and every user is responsible for taking the necessary precautions to secure their account. They are also entirely responsible for any illicit activity from their "compromised" account. If this was not the standard, we would have hundreds of users claiming they were "hacked" to steal from users on a weekly basis.

It could be hard to believe for many, but I never stole the cards. Get any real investigation you can, I will bet my money on it.
I have been here for years and will never do this. This is not my game. I also understand what John is going through, but giving $160 is too much.


These are 100% fraud cards.


I agree to some extent, but you should always try to play safe and small. Never trade huge amounts right away.


Now what if I show fake paypal transaction proving I sent the funds to John (fake PP account and everything). Would you guys have believed on that? Come on, think again !

First of all 161$ is NOT a huge amount. And secondly are you serious about the paypal thing lol? Because wouldnt i have the chats to prove I never asked for paypal or sent you my id? And you wouldn't have any such chats ???

This has become ridiculous.
I agree with devthedev and OP. You are responsible for your account, stex2009.
Now you are talking about faking PayPal tx's? Lol.
You don't come across as entirely trustworthy from where I'm sitting, sorry.
Resolve this, or keep the rating. Your call.

This is my last comment here.

I was just saying, if I wanted to. read again!

I can offer him 35% of his loss, which is $40.

Whatever happened here your profile looks scary.  ;D
Got scared to send you a pm. Are you same guy or account stolen.

Same.
Does the red matter? I offer $40 for something I did not do. The many Sherlock Holmes here have made a loose verdict that I am a scammer. What a joke.
MAINLY TO INCREASE THEIR POST COUNT.

What you think? For others who are new to trades, yes it matters.
Why you are offering Charity, if Red does not matter/bother you then don't do.
You are indeed as you are defaulted on Money of OP.
If you say Blah..blah..blah.. , then First please understand that you have the sole responsibility of what happens with your account , and incase you feel that your account was hacked then you are super newbie as you cant put a strong password.
Yeah it is a Joke , I get 0.001BTC per post from my Signature to post some shit here and there :)

stex2009 was added to the Open Scammer DataBase now ;) https://osdb.pw/history.html

I don't intend to be rude, but you have little reputation, and negative trust from where I am sitting.

Stex2009 "may" have scammed this person, but I don't think you are the right person to be adding people to scammers lists.

That negative trust is killing me :D Uhm yeah. I might have negative trust but that doesn't mean I can't add people to my own scammer database.