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Economy => Speculation => Topic started by: yuvadm on April 08, 2013, 07:16:23 PM



Title: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: yuvadm on April 08, 2013, 07:16:23 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-0BTC-FIVE-BITCOIN-PHYSICAL-NOTE-BILL-BITCOINS-/140950684547?pt=Art_Prints&hash=item20d150c383 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-0BTC-FIVE-BITCOIN-PHYSICAL-NOTE-BILL-BITCOINS-/140950684547?pt=Art_Prints&hash=item20d150c383)


Title: Re: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: ElectricMucus on April 08, 2013, 07:19:27 PM
There is a long history of that. It seeems selling BTC on ebay is as profitable as ever.
Doing it this way should even be safe from chargeback fraud.


Title: Re: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: Chalkbot on April 08, 2013, 07:22:11 PM
There is a long history of that. It seeems selling BTC on ebay is as profitable as ever.
Doing it this way should even be safe from chargeback fraud.

I'm not sure I see what is protecting the seller here?


Title: Re: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: ElectricMucus on April 08, 2013, 07:23:52 PM
There is a long history of that. It seeems selling BTC on ebay is as profitable as ever.
Doing it this way should even be safe from chargeback fraud.

I'm not sure I see what is protecting the seller here?

He is selling a physical item, pieces of paper which happen to have btc on them. eBay and paypal has respect for that.


Title: Re: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: Chalkbot on April 08, 2013, 07:27:04 PM
There is a long history of that. It seeems selling BTC on ebay is as profitable as ever.
Doing it this way should even be safe from chargeback fraud.

I'm not sure I see what is protecting the seller here?

He is selling a physical item, pieces of paper which happen to have btc on them. eBay and paypal has respect for that.
Right, that's true. But I know too many ebay scammers IRL to know that all you need to do is tell paypal there was 0 balance on the note and they will reverse the transaction, so I would NOT do this.


Title: Re: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: PachucoBro on April 08, 2013, 07:31:02 PM

He is selling a physical item, pieces of paper which happen to have btc on them. eBay and paypal has respect for that.


Right, that's true. But I know too many ebay scammers IRL to know that all you need to do is tell paypal there was 0 balance on the note and they will reverse the transaction, so I would NOT do this.


So couldn't you print out transaction information from Blockchain as proof? It shows right there that nothing has left that address.... Hmmmm? Sounds pretty solid.


Title: Re: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: Chalkbot on April 08, 2013, 07:33:13 PM

He is selling a physical item, pieces of paper which happen to have btc on them. eBay and paypal has respect for that.


Right, that's true. But I know too many ebay scammers IRL to know that all you need to do is tell paypal there was 0 balance on the note and they will reverse the transaction, so I would NOT do this.


So couldn't you print out transaction information from Blockchain as proof? It shows right there that nothing has left that address.... Hmmmm? Sounds pretty solid.

Yeah, both the buyer and the seller have the private key. Any one of them can take the balance at any time with no proof of who did it. Plus paypal will not investigate matters of currency exchange, and always error in favor of the buyer.


Title: Re: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: PachucoBro on April 08, 2013, 07:43:03 PM

Yeah, both the buyer and the seller have the private key. Any one of them can take the balance at any time with no proof of who did it. Plus paypal will not investigate matters of currency exchange, and always error in favor of the buyer.


True true... hmm what if there was email correspondence after the winning bid from the buyer stating what bitcoin address to send to? Then you would have an email from the buyer saying send it HERE. You would then respond back saying ok, it will come from my address of BLAH... and you would have the block chain info dated AFTER the emails showing it was done.


I seriously thought about the whole ebaying BTC after I saw the prices people were paying. ;)


Title: Re: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: W-M on April 08, 2013, 07:45:37 PM
Heh, at least it isn't as sneaky as what was outlined here: Guy selling 1satoshi for 20GBP (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169881.0).  :D


Title: Re: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: Chalkbot on April 08, 2013, 07:49:38 PM

Yeah, both the buyer and the seller have the private key. Any one of them can take the balance at any time with no proof of who did it. Plus paypal will not investigate matters of currency exchange, and always error in favor of the buyer.


True true... hmm what if there was email correspondence after the winning bid from the buyer stating what bitcoin address to send to? Then you would have an email from the buyer saying send it HERE. You would then respond back saying ok, it will come from my address of BLAH... and you would have the block chain info dated AFTER the emails showing it was done.


I seriously thought about the whole ebaying BTC after I saw the prices people were paying. ;)

Yeah, that would work in theory. The only problem is that in the scenario where the buyer backs out, there is probably less than 1% of the employees at Paypal that would even know how to investigate these claims and make the correct determination. Further, it is against their policies to do so (since it involves bitcoin) so you'd be really lucky as a seller to have Paypal backing you up.

The reason these coins go for a premium on ebay is that it comes with a tremendous risk to the seller. In my opinion, it's not worth it. In times like these you can get that premium just by waiting a week!


Title: Re: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: PachucoBro on April 08, 2013, 07:52:37 PM

The reason these coins go for a premium on ebay is that it comes with a tremendous risk to the seller. In my opinion, it's not worth it. In times like these you can get that premium just by waiting a week!

Yup... agreed. As I said, I HAD looked into it... LOL not actually done it. Too much risk for very little reward.

Wish there were more local people wanting to dump their 1-5 BTCs for cash tho...


Title: Re: Someone is buying on eBay for $225/BTC
Post by: BitBlitz on April 08, 2013, 08:16:46 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-0BTC-FIVE-BITCOIN-PHYSICAL-NOTE-BILL-BITCOINS-/140950684547?pt=Art_Prints&hash=item20d150c383 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-0BTC-FIVE-BITCOIN-PHYSICAL-NOTE-BILL-BITCOINS-/140950684547?pt=Art_Prints&hash=item20d150c383)
And how many of you scanned the key-- just to be sure?  ;D