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Title: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: spirates on April 09, 2013, 01:27:05 PM
Well with the price keep rising Iam worrying that I might loose my coins cause they arent kept in a safe place. Currently they are at a internet market, but iam thinking of moving them to Bitstamp. What are the safest places to keep them? On your computer, but then you can loose them if your computer crashes right? On a internet bank?


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: syn999 on April 09, 2013, 01:28:39 PM
put them on paper wallet and in a safe under your bed


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Gabi on April 09, 2013, 01:32:03 PM
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Currently they are at a internet market, but iam thinking of moving them to Bitstamp
Incoming fail.

Why do you keep the bitcoins there? You think you must keep them in a "bank"?

Safest storage is, as syn999 said, having them on one of YOUR addresses, offline and on a paperwallet/some usb keys


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: spirates on April 09, 2013, 01:41:42 PM
wut how do i print out bitcoins on paper? and how do i get them back in the computer when i want to spend them?


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: syn999 on April 09, 2013, 01:45:03 PM
there are sites out there offer this and it is easy just like the online transfer. transfer from address to address


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Gabi on April 09, 2013, 01:49:47 PM
wut how do i print out bitcoins on paper? and how do i get them back in the computer when i want to spend them?
Because so you have the key printed on paper, wich is a good way to store information and not lose it.

Very easy, most clients have a option to import the private keys.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: jgm on April 09, 2013, 02:06:56 PM
wut how do i print out bitcoins on paper? and how do i get them back in the computer when i want to spend them?

You're not printing out bitcoins, you're printing out the keys to your bitcoins.

Think of the bitcoin system as a large vault filled with safety deposit boxes.  Each safety deposit box has an address; that's your bitcoin address (also known as public key).  Each safety deposit box also has an entry code: that's your private key.

When you create a paper wallet all you're doing is taking your public and private keys and writing them down.  The bitcoins stay where they've always been.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: ljackstar on April 09, 2013, 02:09:15 PM
What about a bitcoin wallet? or is it better to keep them off the computer period?


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Tripmode on April 09, 2013, 02:45:56 PM
I think people make too much of an issue out of this. If you get Malware constantly then you probably shouldn't be involved in bitcoins to begin with lol


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: scarce on April 09, 2013, 03:14:38 PM
If you have not come across this information in the meantime, check out Armory (bitcoinarmory.com). It should help you start storing your bitcoins in the safest possible way according to you IT skills..


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: silvereagle on April 09, 2013, 03:24:13 PM
I would agree that paper is the best form of cold storage.  You can put on flash drive and keep off the grid, but I've had those corrupted before and then your wallet is gone.  Best to print out QR code (or better yet private key string in case you can't find QR reader) and drop in a fireproof safe  -- assuming you have enough to worry about.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: btcminer021 on April 09, 2013, 03:51:09 PM
https://blockchain.info/wallet/


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: SilentSonicBoom on April 09, 2013, 04:08:23 PM
Keep your coins offline in a USB wallet or on paper in a safe.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: ajas on April 09, 2013, 04:45:35 PM
Well with the price keep rising Iam worrying that I might loose my coins cause they arent kept in a safe place. Currently they are at a internet market, but iam thinking of moving them to Bitstamp. What are the safest places to keep them? On your computer, but then you can loose them if your computer crashes right? On a internet bank?

cf. for instance https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Paper_wallet


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: MrLeX on April 09, 2013, 05:17:57 PM
https://blockchain.info/wallet/

I see that blockchain.info has a feature to backup your wallet to google drive and places like that. Is this backup method really safe?


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: silvereagle on April 16, 2013, 11:24:15 PM
I think any place that is accessible online isn't safe.  If anyone hacks your Gmail password or GMail starts handing over wallet.dat files to authorities there is no point in it.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: CrusaderT2 on April 17, 2013, 01:51:02 AM
I have been using blockchain wallet for 6 months now. Pretty solid if you get two level password and authenitcator. It lets you backup on dropbox/google drive or email directly.

Of course its no where safe as a offline wallet.

I read that the Armory client is pretty robust. It lets you run armory offline and create a wallet totally isolated from the internet. And when you wish to pull money from it, you can get an online armory client to put a request file onto a usb key. Then you take the usb key go to your offline computer and verify the transaction with your offline wallet. Finally, go back to your online computer and plug in the usb and the transaction goes through.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: jimhsu on April 17, 2013, 02:22:01 AM
Two options: paper wallet, or redundantly backed up wallet with super-strong password (preferably in Truecrypt).


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: KuduIO on April 17, 2013, 02:24:50 AM
Cold storage as a USB key or paper wallet.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: matthewdowns1128A1F5 on April 17, 2013, 02:26:48 AM
encrypt it


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Red on April 17, 2013, 02:37:01 AM
put them on paper wallet and in a safe under your bed

<Irony>
I find humor in the advice to store bitcoins printed in ink on arbitrary bits paper! Isn't that the kind of money we're all trying to get away from? (Sarcasm)

I recommend you have your private key engraved onto a bar of gold. Only then will your value truly be safe!
</Irony>


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: bryankfurw05 on April 17, 2013, 02:38:43 AM
lol yeah. back to past


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Epicurus on April 17, 2013, 02:42:18 AM
The real answer depends on how much you're trying to protect. If you're an adult with any substantial portion of your wealth in bitcoin, keep your keys in cold storage in different physical places. A fireproof safe is not good enough. Put it there, and then also store it in a safe deposit box in a bank in a different town from you.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: yvv on April 17, 2013, 02:47:21 AM
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Safest storage for bitcoins?

Make a tattoo of your private key on your penis, and tattoo of blockchain on your ass. All of us will be safe.  ;D


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: sajuukar on April 17, 2013, 02:51:50 AM
Is it possible to find out one's private key with the Qt wallet?


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: dirtriderdan on April 17, 2013, 03:43:18 AM
I would agree that paper is the best form of cold storage.  You can put on flash drive and keep off the grid, but I've had those corrupted before and then your wallet is gone.  Best to print out QR code (or better yet private key string in case you can't find QR reader) and drop in a fireproof safe  -- assuming you have enough to worry about.

Good advice.  Plus the hard copy will last a lot longer in a fire in a safe than the flash...though at that point it may be the least of your concerns...


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Red on April 17, 2013, 04:53:43 AM
Since this is a noob thread let me reinforce this one very important concept.

Transfer the coins you want to store into a NEW address. Then print out the private key to that new address and store it ONLY offline. Delete it COMPLETELY from your online computer. If anyone suspect has ever had access to a particular private key (wallet), never again consider it safe. Move the coins to a new address to be sure.

Don't presume that having an offline backup means your coins are safe. That only keeps them safe from your system crashing. That doesn't keep your coins safe from theft, hackers, viruses, trojans, etc.

If you want to keep some coins safe and some available for purchases or trading make sure you have them at different addresses. Keep one private key ONLY OFFLINE. Keep the other on your computer but print out a backup copy ALSO.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: n4ru on April 17, 2013, 04:55:32 AM
Paper wallet or cold storage on some USB.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Epicurus on April 17, 2013, 04:57:58 AM
Since this is a noob thread let me reinforce this one very important concept.

Transfer the coins you want to store into a NEW address. Then print out the private key to that new address and store it ONLY offline. Delete it COMPLETELY from your online.

If anyone suspect has ever had access to a particular private key (wallet), never again consider it safe. Move the coins to a new address to be sure.

Don't presume that having an offline backup means your coins are safe. That only keeps them safe from your system crashing. That doesn't keep your coins safe from hackers, viruses, trojans, etc.

If you want to keep some coins safe and some available for purchases or trading make sure you have them at different addresses. Keep one private key ONLY OFFLINE. Keep the other on your computer but print out a backup copy ALSO.


Thanks!

So you're suggesting that we split our coins? Have one private key that is only offline (presumably backed up physically in at least two secure locations) that we store the bulk of our bitcoins there? And then have another private key that does reside on our computer (along with a print-out backup) where we store any balance that we want to trade with or actually buy things with?


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Red on April 17, 2013, 04:59:05 AM
So you're suggesting that we split our coins? Have one private key that is only offline (presumably backed up physically in at least two secure locations) that we store the bulk of our bitcoins there? And then have another private key that does reside on our computer (along with a print-out backup) where we store any balance that we want to trade with or actually buy things with?

YES! Exactly correct!


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Epicurus on April 17, 2013, 05:18:14 AM
So you're suggesting that we split our coins? Have one private key that is only offline (presumably backed up physically in at least two secure locations) that we store the bulk of our bitcoins there? And then have another private key that does reside on our computer (along with a print-out backup) where we store any balance that we want to trade with or actually buy things with?

YES! Exactly correct!


Very helpful, thanks much!


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Grox on April 17, 2013, 05:21:47 AM
Write down each character of your private key on a sticky note and place them around your house. Create puzzles and clues to help you put them in the right order.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: skyhenge on April 17, 2013, 05:34:38 AM
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Safest storage for bitcoins?

Make a tattoo of your private key on your penis, and tattoo of blockchain on your ass. All of us will be safe.  ;D

that's funny but it won't work for us gals


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: enigma1265 on April 17, 2013, 05:35:10 AM
Paper wallet...no debate


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Software2 on April 17, 2013, 05:39:12 AM
Backups. So many backups.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: richgene on April 17, 2013, 06:39:05 AM
Anyone interested in knowing more about wallet security should check out this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=17240.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=17240.0)

~richgene


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: JohnVision on April 17, 2013, 06:52:59 AM
The safest and simplest solution is to simply get an accout at The Bank of Bitcoin thebankofbitcoin.com (http://thebankofbitcoin.com) and store them in "Paper Vaults."  They are essentially the same as a paper wallet, but they are super-easy to create and the bank's Paper Vault interface makes it easy to spend directly from your Paper Vault from any internet connected device.  It's the only service I use


Title: Paper Wallet Tutorial
Post by: yvon on April 17, 2013, 07:06:03 AM
I found a video walkthrough of making a Paper Wallet on YouTube here: http://youtu.be/wfMHsLXx_qM (http://youtu.be/wfMHsLXx_qM)


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: gabridome on April 17, 2013, 07:40:16 AM
Papar wallets are good.
Brain wallet backed up with http://passguardian.com/ are good too.
I would use the both.

I would split my bulk bitcoin in several paper wallets and some brain wallet.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: n691309 on April 17, 2013, 07:48:20 AM
The safest place for Bitcoin is spend it. Paper can be burn, USB,CD,DVD medium will stop work in 10+ years



Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: whiskers75 on April 17, 2013, 08:05:30 AM
https://blockchain.info/wallet/
There was just a big 108 BTC hack of that site (me affected as well). If you use it, it is imperative that you enable 2 factor authentication of any sort.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Woodstock on April 17, 2013, 08:08:00 AM
USB key


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: Epicurus on April 17, 2013, 02:59:26 PM
USB key
Which is great until it becomes corrupted, which will eventually happen to any USB key.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: cactinsane on April 17, 2013, 03:42:46 PM
What about a bitcoin wallet? or is it better to keep them off the computer period?

Agreed, Easy and Safe, I hope...  ???


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: JakethePilot on April 19, 2013, 04:42:53 AM
Bitcoin wallet is good. USB is better. Paper wallet/writing it down on paper is by far the best.
I don't have too many bitcoin but hopefully in the future they will grow in value so much that I will have no choice but to put the private keys in a physical safe.
Here's to hoping.


Title: Re: Safest storage for bitcoins?
Post by: u237114006 on April 19, 2013, 05:07:35 AM
If you have not come across this information in the meantime, check out Armory (bitcoinarmory.com). It should help you start storing your bitcoins in the safest possible way according to you IT skills..

Thanks for the referral to the armory!