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Casino games generally have a negative expected value for the player. No amount of money management can change that fact. And no matter how much you may have gambled, your experience does not give you any advantage in that regard.

I don't know whether you actually believe that you have an advantage in gambling or are just trying to make money off the gullible, but in any case anyone considering this service is better off gambling on their own.

@ MartinL...

Yes i agree with you.  But when you limit the profit and exit at right time, chances are more to win. At least you may not lose more...

The problem with most of the gamblers are, they expect more profit.  They are tempted to play more and more.. Finally they end up losing it. 

To be successful, one should not play on the same site always.   Just make a small profit and exit from that site and play on a different site.  If we keep playing on the same site again and again finally we will lose the entire money.

Example:

Day 1 - Play at x site and exit with a minimum profit.. (may be 1 percent or 2 percent or 5 percent)...

Day 2 - Play at y site and exit with a minimum profit

Day 3 - Play at z site and exit with a minimum profit

Now we have loads of sites to play with...

Even by chance, if we lose 5 to 10 percent, just exit and don't play on that day..

Likewise, if we follow certain rules, atleast we will not lose more or make decent profit...

Teamviewer is notorious for being a tool for hackers who can use this service to do whatever they want with your PC.

Some examples: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/06/teamviewer-users-are-being-hacked-in-bulk-and-we-still-dont-know-how/ (http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/06/teamviewer-users-are-being-hacked-in-bulk-and-we-still-dont-know-how/)

PC Support Scam - https://www.lifewire.com/i-just-fell-for-a-pc-support-scam-now-what-2487799 (https://www.lifewire.com/i-just-fell-for-a-pc-support-scam-now-what-2487799)

How can you say your service is secure? Giving access to your PC is never secure.

@ maku

You are going to watch what we are doing on your computer.  So there are no chance for us to exploit your computer... If you feel teamviewer is not secure, there are lot more softwares available on net.  We can use on among them which the client feels safe to use...

Limiting the payout profit you attempt to make and exiting the game do not improve your wagers' expected values, which are generally negative for gamblers.


This is gambler's fallacy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy). Playing on a site for an extended period of time doesn't decrease your chances of winning there. Likewise, waiting a day before continuing to play there doesn't increase your chances of winning.

Honestly it is hard to trust right now to use team viewer. i think skype on screen view is enough to teach them if someone going to your service and get it the only trusted we can get is contacting via skype and you can use call to seen what your client are doing i think it is enough to teach them..

@BitMaxz

Honestly we haven't used skype on screen yet.  If that is reliable, we never mind using it.

Yeah i know it is Gambler's fallacy. The reason i ask to give a break and play is to stop getting addicted to gambling.  S

I said limit the profit.  I never said limit the payout.  Example, you invest 0.1 btc and play.. When you are up with 2 percent profit or 5 percent profit, just exit the game.  But mostly people never do that, they keep on playing and finally end up losing everything. 

Gambling is fun. But at the same time, we should minimize the chances for losing...

What a bullshit

If you could make profit on gambling you would not ever offer this kind of service.

I presume that you simply want to get profit providing gambling websites with your tracking links.
If you win, you will get a share of the profit, but if you lose, you will get your rev share...

You can substitute "payout" with "profit"–which I have done–and my argument still stands: All wagers you make are fundamentally unprofitable, regardless of when you stop playing.

@ BCT

Please take time to read the full messages.. We do not double or triple the money.  We make a small profit...

We do not play for ourselves through out the day.  So we chose this option to play for others during the hours when we don't play for ourselves.

We are not promoting any tracking links.  If we had that idea, we would have placed the referral link already on our website.  Some of the sites we play do not have affiliate system at all..

It is a nice service but i prefer to lose in my own than letting other people to play and gamble in my behalf. Besides where is the fun in that? Oh, Anyway if you can make good profit from gambling why offer to it to others?, When you can make a tons of money if your methods are successful.

Yes logically all the wagers are fundamentally loss. But when the actual balance is more than the amount invested, it is still a profit, which is the net profit.  

Thank you.  Watching the play is also a fun.  Anyway it depends upon each individual.  This service may be helpful for people who have been losing regularly...  We do not make tons of money.  As you know gambling is risky and we should not invest a lot of money. So we invest a small money and make small profit.  When more people invest small money and we get them small profit, we get big profit when all the profits are pooled.  That is the reason we have started this service.

looks interesting. thinking to give a try. 

All further questions will be answered tomorrow.. We are closing for the day!

So in other words you take advantage of people who think that there's some kind of a secret to winning and therefore you have zero risk to lose money because if you do, it wasn't your money, it was someone else's and you can just wait for the next fool to give you money (sorry, to guide you them to lose money) to lose? If you by some miracle happen to (help them) win you'll simply take a cut from that!

No matter how you manage your bankroll you can't change the fact that you're gambling against a house-edge. Nothing will change that. Get out of the bubble guys, welcome to reality.

Please read everything properly.  We never said there are any secrets out there to win. 

Yeah on a longer run only the gambling house will win because of house edge. But why you have to wait for a longer run.  Just make some bucks and exit.  Do not over play.  Please take time to read everything i have said on the first post. 

Ofcourse we are in reality.  We never said, earn from gambling for living.  We are saying we can help people who are losing regularly on gambling. 

Just the fact that you claim to be professional gamblers pretty much sums it up. You're not helping anybody, you're just planning on taking a cut if you happen to be lucky helping someone gamble their own money. What's the point of saying you can help someone become a professional gambler if you're also saying they're expected to lose money after all.

I just realized I shouldn't have posted anything, continuing this will just make it a never ending battle between me and a rock.

No, it is not legal! The terms and conditions of the gaming provider prohibit to let others play with your account.

Honestly, you are a funny guy.  :D

When your customer catch a stroke of luck, you will take 50% of it and when he lose, then he has to eat it alone.

If you would be a professional poker player, then your offer might would make sense, but not if you play -EV casino games! And even then, you would have to share the losses as well. A commission would be based on the total win over a longer period and not on a session win.

Isn't that precisely what "professional gambler" means? And the way you're advertising yourself strongly implies if not outright claims that "investing" in you is expected to be profitable. For example:


This is incorrect and essentially false advertising.

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Except you can't! You do not have any advantage over them, they were just unlucky.

Actually, breaking TOC isn't against the law in most countries. You'll probably just be banned if they do have the restriction.

It doesn't always have to be a longer run. When you make a bet on a 1% house edge, you are expected to lose 1% of your bet. Same thing happens when you make another bet, or another one, or 500, e.t.c. You might not lose on your first bet, but you could. Going to a different site won't help. No one will be stupid enough to fall for this and have 0.1BTC at the same time on this forum.

There is no way to defeat the probability. The house edge will always win in the long run or almost.
This website looks shady.

So you are saying here you can't guarantee our winning? In order to get some profit you play with our money on our certain site too. There is no joke when we put our investment on this kind of thing. And what is benefit on us, we still lose everything in the end. And if we win we only get 50% of our share? It seems like very odds on us here

If you let someone play with your real money account while it is not allowed by terms and conditons, then this is cheating. And cheating is a criminal offense in almost every country in this world.

Most sites will not sue you, but it is still a criminal offense.

reading for the first page that you says

" Most of the people lose money on gambling because of greed and emotions.
Once you master the technique to overcome greed, gradually you will learn the art of money management"

indeed that was true but you were forgot the most important thing in gambling and it's called luck because even you're not greedy and could control your emotions but doesn't mean you will got profit and lucky is very important if you want to get the winning and nobody could predict the gambling results

This says it all.
Avoid.

Website is just a plain site with the same info posted in opening post of this thread. This service sound complete bullshit and nobody should believe OP, there is nothing like guaranteed win in gambling, professional gambler etc. And also OP is asking for minimum 0.1BTC deposit which is really high and may be even enough for OP to run away and never contact back.

Teamviewer plus Skype what a nice infiltration combo wow  ;D And what happens when you lose your bets? You are in the business of predicting uncertain events. This is not science or is it? If you were a gambling scientist you would have been betting with your own money.

Over a period of time when a person observes what we do, gradually they can become a professional gambler as well.  Of course loss is a common factor for gambling and anything based on speculation.  But here the question is to minimize the loss.  Let be honest.. Even god cannot gamble without loss.  But we have to minimize the loss and increase the chances of more win. Most of the people do not have discipline over their money management.  Our service will help them for sure.

Gambling is not a long time business.  Just make profit and exit.  Every session is counted.  More over it is not mandatory to have next sessions. We are not going to have endless sessions here.  May be 2 to 3 sessions a month.. That is it..

Gambling works mostly on luck. But skill and money management also plays a vital role to get success.  We found most of the players do not follow discipline to gamble.  Hence we started this service.  This may not be helpful for people who are having a strong mindset that it will not work. It is human nature.. Without trying, people claim it is not good. It will not work, etc., That is absolutely fine.  This service will surely help people who are losing frequently..

Yes we posted the same info from website here.  FYI, you are not giving any money to us. So there is not question about running away. Secondly we are playing from your computer... So you have full control on what we do...



Yeah luck is required for gambling. But for few games, skill also play a vital role



Ofcourse we do play with our money. I have answered to this question in previous replies...



When you see it on live you ll get the answer.  If you do not like the way we play, you can very well stop it.  Because we are playing from your computer in front of you..




Yes if you play more, it is true.  But we will not over play...




Yeah few sites do not allow.  The profit we make will be less than the amount we wagger.. Yeah there are always chance of losing.  But how much we lose matters.  Either make a small profit or lose little.   We said play with different site for a reason.  Assume we have 100 players with 0.1 btc each.  Then by chance if luck favors us and make a good profit, it will drain the bank roll of a gambling site.  So it is better to split the investment to different sites.  In this way it will not be a loss for the gambling sites as well...

Guys, I don't get it. If you are saying "Once a reasonable profit is made, you have to pay our share and withdraw your balance" why don't you play by yourself and have all the profit not just a share? Also you say on your site that the minimum investment is 0.1 Bitcoin which is a big money and and I can't see why would people invest such amount on an unknown site.

I respected you, but i want to clear some points, You know gambling is not depend on our experience base, also i don't know myself, should i believe you or not? Because as you said many gamblers know about it, also including me. So what is the different between you and me? If i win so it is my luck and if i lose so its mean it is my bad luck, nothing strange thing will be happened with us. 

Because they know they will not really win every game they play. Because this is gambling. Experience doesn't give them any edge. In the event they lose all your money they don't have liability. They will just say, "sorry boss, we lost your bankroll better luck next time" then just go about their lives and tries to trick another fool. I don't believe them.

If they really are good gamblers, then post a live video of themselves gambling at some online casino where we can watch the video and at the same time look at their bets in the casino. Let's see if they do well and get a profit.

There are obvious some methods of gambling that are better than others and bankroll management does affect the rate at which you may lose, but in the long run you will still lose. I think you are just better off gambling your on your own rather than hiring someone to do it for you. What is the fun in letting someone else gamble for you? I think most of the enjoyment from gambling should be the experience itself. You really shouldn't get into gambling just for the potential profit as you will likely end up disappointed.

I feel gambling should be played for fun . Whether you win or loose it doesn't matter at the end of the day ( Unless you are a high roller ) , if you ask me to deposit into some others account and they play it and win big and give it back , I don't even want that money because there is no fun in it.

Yes. Do this.
You really can't expect us to let you handle our money and play for us, just like that.
 
And anyway, "professional gamblers"? If you're really professional gamblers that are great/expert at bankroll management, you should be able to earn a good enough amount from your "professional gambling".
Thus, why aren't you playing for yourself?
Instead, you're here asking for people to fund your play?
For 50% of the profit with no liability whatsoever? Dream on.

Ahh, you help to minimize the loss, but take 50% if your customer catch a stroke of luck. If you help to minimize the loss, then your commission should be based on the amount your customer lost less, obviously? No idea how you could prove how much your customer lost less because of your "assistance", but that would be the way to proceed.

Moneypot has a bankroll of 500 BTC. BitDice has 3000 BTC, and so does satoshiDice. SafeDice has 236 BTC.

If you win x1.99 every time, those sites would lose ~10 BTC. I wouldn't call "draining the bankroll" when they only lost 0.4% of the bankroll (which happens all the times with whales). The small profit that you expect to make will always be smaller than the expected loss for the same session, so you cannot make a profit in the long run. Give it up and trying another forum. People here are mostly educated on this, or don't have 0.1BTC.

I have already answered in this thread for your first question. 0.1 bitcoin is not a big money for most of the people.. It is worth around 80 USD as of now.  We will take a maximum of 25 percent risk from that money...


Gambling and betting mostly work on luck. But skill also plays a vital role.  It will be helpful for the people who are losing regularly.  We do not force you or any one to believe us.  The choice is absolutely yours...


When we play, the user is going to watch it live..  If the loss exceeds, he can very well stop.  Why will a person allow us to lose the entire money?  Experience and skill can help us to earn a limited profit or lose a small amount.  There is nothing to trick or fool any one. It is your personal choice to believe or not.. I respect every one's policy of believing and not believing...

Posting a video is not a big deal. But when a video is posted, every one starts to follow the same methods and at some point of time those methods will not work.  That is the reason we tried to limit the exposure..

But still people are requesting, we have planned to record the video when we are playing for a client and will post it with the client's permission...


It is your personal view and i completely respect it...


I respect your policy...


I have answered this question already in this thread...


Ill consider your thoughts...



Yeah i agree with you.  But out of luck sometimes we get more profit than we expect.. Just for example i am saying this, even though it might not happen...

Assume if our client asks us to take full risk and his balance is 5 BTC.  If the odds are 90 times and if wins within a few rolls, his profit will be more and obviously the gambling site's bankroll will drain..  Gambling can either give you big profits or lose your investment.  So we do not do that.  We reduce the odds and also bet very less. 

I see most of the users reply here just to gain exposure for their signatures.. Anyway no problem at all.  I feel this thread has to be in the "Investor-based games" section. I am unable to move this thread to that section.  Hence i have created the same thread there.  I humbly request the admin to delete this thread as i have opened the same thread in the "Investor-based games" section few minutes back.  Ill not be replying any more in this thread.  Please ask all your questions on the new thread and ill be glad to reply...