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Title: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: EuroTrash on April 10, 2013, 05:02:44 PM BitcoinCharts --> "502 bad gateway" 2 times out of 3
BitcoinTalk --> randomly times out on me Gox --> massive API lag and price dropping quickly It looks to me like the pattern we saw before: 1. rogue trader rents botnet for Ddos 2. rogue trader starts his Gox bots to dump and bring price down and lag time up quickly 3. rogue trader starts botnet to ddos both BitcoinTalk and BitcoinCharts 4. people panic sell 5. rogue trader buys it all 6. rogue trader profits. Your thoughts on it? Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: wopwop on April 10, 2013, 05:03:48 PM My thoughts:
Many many people hurrying to mtgox to do their thing Not an actual ddos attack MtGox just blames it like that cuz they dont see the difference from their end Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: humanitee on April 10, 2013, 05:04:54 PM I don't conspiracy much, but I do believe this is the worst DDOS yet.
At first I thought it was Gox being crappy again, but when the forums and Bitfloor went down I thought otherwise. Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: flaab on April 10, 2013, 05:05:15 PM Criminal rogue might want to pump and dump his coins only.
Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: wopwop on April 10, 2013, 05:06:26 PM 1 problem with this idea
The dumping started 20$ before this 'lag' started and I was a seller at 260$ MUHAHAHAHAHHAA Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: wtfvanity on April 10, 2013, 05:07:04 PM Bitfloor was toast there for a bit their web, api and web socket.
Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: flaab on April 10, 2013, 05:08:08 PM It might be the FED selling his massive amounts of coins to later use the press to criminalize it.
Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: Richy_T on April 10, 2013, 05:13:30 PM 1 problem with this idea The dumping started 20$ before this 'lag' started Got to get some downward momentum first... Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: w00t on April 10, 2013, 05:28:48 PM When I saw bitcointalk timing out and giving weird errors I knew it's been on purpose.
The hoster of bitcointalk has most likely huge experience with ddoses so this must have been above average. Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: Rothgar on April 10, 2013, 05:38:07 PM 1 problem with this idea The dumping started 20$ before this 'lag' started That supports the idea. The attacker would dump in clear trading in order to buy back in the confusion that the DDOS would bring. Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: fcmatt on April 10, 2013, 05:43:54 PM what? you do not like being played by the russian mob?
Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: HATA28 on April 10, 2013, 05:47:29 PM Completely agree on the fact that something isn't right here.
But well, it ain't so bad to let the panic sellers sell, might make us stronger in the end Okay, bitcoinity.org is down aswell. Someone is manipulating the market badly Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: doobadoo on April 10, 2013, 05:52:23 PM .... 4. people panic sell 5. rogue trader buys it all 6. rogue trader profits. Your thoughts on it? What if his selloff triggers a much bigger crash. Like one down to $100 or less. So where does the rogue buy? how does he know the level. So he buys a ton at $200, then watches it crash to $100. Sounds like a loss to me. No, all the sites are going down b/c all the noobs are panicing and dumping. People see the price drop and they check the forums to see if there is another glitch or something happening. Forums crawls, Gox crawls, wouldn't be surprised if buttcoin.org start crawling. Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: Bitcoinreminder.com on April 10, 2013, 05:57:02 PM Maybe there was a big speculator which is frightened because of mt gox new order model ^^
Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: alphadude on April 10, 2013, 05:59:27 PM Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: bitster on April 10, 2013, 06:02:54 PM This is clearly a ddos cheap coins today!
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Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: JordanL on April 10, 2013, 06:20:19 PM When I saw bitcointalk timing out and giving weird errors I knew it's been on purpose. The hoster of bitcointalk has most likely huge experience with ddoses so this must have been above average. No, this forum doesn't have great hosting. This is most likely being caused because all of us are refreshing every 5 seconds, just like MTGOX. Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: w00t on April 10, 2013, 06:40:06 PM When I saw bitcointalk timing out and giving weird errors I knew it's been on purpose. The hoster of bitcointalk has most likely huge experience with ddoses so this must have been above average. No, this forum doesn't have great hosting. This is most likely being caused because all of us are refreshing every 5 seconds, just like MTGOX. Care to explain? From what I understand they are hosted at nforce.com which does have a lot of experience with questionable content and thus DDoSes. Not to mention that 320Gbps connected capacity is not bad... Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: FenixRD on April 10, 2013, 07:42:10 PM Occam's razor and corollary, Hanlon's razor, my two favorite complementary logic tools. It'll be easy to say for sure what happened after the sites are in the clear but for now, I vote place limit orders and buy up coins. Most wished they had more a few hours ago. Nothing changed that much except we are reminded that humans are scared of the "dark" at all ages. :)
I do think there has been a DDOS, and it is interesting that even the forum is sluggish. But Twitter and Reddit is on fire with Bitcoin Crash topics. It's the combination of how info spreads in today's world, with the fact that it is worth significant money. So we effectively take a DDOS on Gox and make our own, twice as strong, and spread it to the whole Bitcoin ecosystem. The only site that has been hit for certain is Gox and Bitcoincharts. Those create massive panic in tandem. Maybe other exchanges too, but then if all of Gox traffic shifts to what is normally a collective 15%, they may react poorly as well. I'll be most interested of all in talking to Roman at Bitfloor. They took a hit which is very unusual. Recent upgrades didn't hold up, or DDOS there too? Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: glub0x on April 10, 2013, 08:01:58 PM Shall i open a bet ?
Before 2014 someone will prove that this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c9MuuW0HfSA#! DDOS MTGOX at least 4 times in 2013 Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: jinni on April 10, 2013, 08:27:45 PM My two cents: What we've seen today is a mix of a lot of attention, probably some serious DDoS-ing and alot of panic buying and selling. There's no reason BTC won't just bounce back up like after all the similar instances. It is obviously undervalued in terms of the value it needs to have for its obvious benefits in exchange, cross border, cross countries and cheaply.
But seeing the breakdown of many major BTC sites like Gox, bitcoinity and clarkmoody as well as slowness at bitcointalk we definitely need an order of magnitude better servers if not ten orders as well as serious anti-DDoS capabilities. And what about serious attacks, like coordinated hacking attacks at all bigger accounts and sites? Security needs to be upped manyfold. Because of this lack of infrastructure, BTC still cannot be valued at $1 million. We won't be there until we have NYSE traffic handling capabilities. Title: Re: Criminal ddos in progress? Post by: Bitcoinreminder.com on April 10, 2013, 08:55:21 PM My two cents: What we've seen today is a mix of a lot of attention, probably some serious DDoS-ing and alot of panic buying and selling. There's no reason BTC won't just bounce back up like after all the similar instances. It is obviously undervalued in terms of the value it needs to have for its obvious benefits in exchange, cross border, cross countries and cheaply. +1But seeing the breakdown of many major BTC sites like Gox, bitcoinity and clarkmoody as well as slowness at bitcointalk we definitely need an order of magnitude better servers if not ten orders as well as serious anti-DDoS capabilities. And what about serious attacks, like coordinated hacking attacks at all bigger accounts and sites? Security needs to be upped manyfold. Because of this lack of infrastructure, BTC still cannot be valued at $1 million. We won't be there until we have NYSE traffic handling capabilities. |
