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I believe in Philippines, you are not required HIV screening for your pre-employment. Are there any countries that allow you to work if you are HIV positive?

In my opinion, many countries accepting hiv positive person but its depends on their work field like if you are working abroad some agencies especially in Philippines it requires  HIV screening.

Well people sometimes don't actually tell the truth because they really want to get the job but people are putting it on the medical info when they apply in here in my country they will accept a person that requires the HIV but really they are not to eat with us or share somethings with them but we truly accept him but not his HIV. Philipines is a very secure country and here i thought that country same as this also 10% people has a HIV and i am afraid to get one its uncured its very scary. People now a days are really earning cancer from one person and the case is having sex with a stranger that you no nothing about. Now that is very scary i really don't want to have HIV >.< i heard it will kill you slowly and surely die >.<

In almost all the countries around the world, it is illegal to deny employment to anyone based on his HIV status. However, there are a few exceptions such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. These countries will deport the foreign workers, if they test positive for HIV.

It is a test that must be done in order to get a residence permit in some countries. These uncles shake your health, whether you are a cancer patient or not, it does not matter to them. But without this test they will not approve your health check.

All countries.

Are there really countries that screen for HIV before taking a job? That's crazy. An extreme intrusion of Government in our personal lives. Our health is none of the Government's business, unless (of course) they want to pay for our health care.

Here's a link that answers some of your question: http://www.thebody.com/content/art2244.html (http://www.thebody.com/content/art2244.html)

WTF?
What is this question??

I'd like the other question: "Which countries don't allow HIV positive people to work into"?
I mean there is 0 reasons to not let HIV positive people work!

Use fucking condoms, how can people be so idiots?

If they fucked up and got HIV it's their fault, of course you should separate them from healty people, it's their punishment.

If they got it from blood transfusion, then they should sue the hospital and the doctor/nurse who was responsible.

Lol.
Just Lol.
Do you even understand how terrible your argument is?
1/ you're actually saying someone ill should be put aside society. Great. So if you got the flue we put you outside of society?
2/ You're SLIGHTLY FORGETTING that condoms protect you at 98% not more! so if you're in the last 2% it's just "bad luck"?
3/ You're also forgetting about all people who trusted their partners even though they finally ended having aids
4/ You forget about all people who were born with it
5/ You forget about rapes victims
6/ You forget about people with low education or simply irresponsible parents. If your parents never took the time to explain what aids were and how you must protect yourself, you're still responsible for catching a mortal disease you had no clue about?

OH AND BY THE WAY! You're incredible idea would only make people with aids hide from the rest of the world, potentially contaminating more people and slowing the research.

Really what could be wrong in what you say?

You are right OP done mistake and create this thread which have no sense because in many countries peoples doing jobs even they are HIV positive just very few countries have problem with this but still many opportunities for these peoples available

My argument is perfectly valid. We should not incenticize irresponsible people. How can people learn if not from their own mistakes, so that other people can see them and learn from them. It is how nature makes stupid people suffer and rewards intelligent people.

If people fall down the stairs because they are too careless , why should I pay for their hospital bills? If people drive without a seatbelt, get in an accident and survive but become disabled, why should I pay for them? You get the idea.

Why do people have to externalize their responsibility to society? It's because they are socialists, that is why.



Getting the flu is random, but it can also be reduced if people follow proper sanitary precautions and eat healthy.

Getting STD is totally their fault, if they have done it voluntarly (obviously I am not referring to rape victims)


Yes. Maybe become monogamous, you know fucking around, and then complaining, wont help you.

Monogamy can reduce STD by 100%. So that should give some ideas to promiscuous people.


Sue the fuck out of them, and send them to jail. Yes in that case the victim is not responsible and the liar is.

It's still bad luck though, but if the liar gets punished, then they hopefully become deterred in doing such evil things.



Indeed, their fucking parents are scum, that they know they have STD's and they still decide to have children. Maybe they should have done abortion.

But to bring a child to life who they know will have a shitty life, is just selfish scumbag parent behavior.



In this case they are not responsible, obviously. But again the criminals has to be punished to avoid this stuff.



Well these are the real idiots. Because we live in a 21 century world with 2 second access to Google. If people are too dumb to do 10 min Google search on sex and sexual questions, then they are reaaaaaaaaaaaally dumb, and deserve fully what is coming for them.



Hey it's not my fault that the world is full of idiots. Don't blame the messenger. I am just pointing out that people are irresponsible idiots.

Anyone can hire you. Even if you got hiv. Just dont tell them. Lol.
Serously. You can still have job even if you have hiv. Some companies dont require any screening. But ofcourse it depends on job that you are going to apply. If you want to apply on for example hopitals. They are not requiring you to screening. But do you want to infect others? Dont apply on obvious job that is not for you. Theres so many jobs there. Just choose what is good for you and for others.

You're not only terribly wrong you're also a terrible human being.

3 main reason why all you're saying is worse than false.

1/ Don't you think that getting the aids in enough for punishment?

2/ We agree on the fact that in many cases people who got the aids aren't responsible. How do you decide when one is responsible then?

3/ And the most important, you believe that it should be "survival of the strongest" no?
That's more or less what you're saying.

Aaaaaah, so now you are giving an argument from emotion, to an argument of rationality. Very honest debating tactics.

You try to emotionize a pretty simple concept: Life has consequences, so deal with it.

It's not like there aren't 9999999999 dangers humans face every single day. Why should 1 person externalize his own dangers to others, that is the real evil thing to do.




That is the punishment, it is the consequence of their poor actions. It's nature's way of punishing people for bad behavior.

Just as a smoker getting lungh cancer is a selfish hypocrite for running to the government and asking for free healthcare, for making his own poor bad decisions, but want others to pay for it. In other words they dont want to assume responsibility for their actions.



YES.

I dont know: an investigation. A court. It's not like things cant be proven or debated in modern society.

Besides HIV can be probably cured one day, so this is not like it's a permanent punishment, but until that day, people should be not incentivized to pursue foolish actions.

This is a temporary threat management to say, in order to limit the bad behavior and incentivize the good.


No. I believe that people have to hold personal responsibility.

I do want to help people who have became victims that have not been through their own fault. (Rape victims, sick children, etc...)

But I don't want to help idiots, who have caused the problems for themselves (Smokers getting lungh cancer, Fat people getting diabetes, etc...)

I don't think that it is possible to conceal your HIV status from your employers, as most of them provide medicare to their employees. Your medicare will become null and void if you conceal your health status.

It depends on what field of job you are applying for. Most of all countries required hiv screening for them to prove that you are fit for your desired of work. Hiv is a very sensitive disease

In the Philippines there are no discrimination even though you have HIV and you are still capable of working then you will still be accepted. But there are conditions on what kind of work you are in like office work, clerical, messengerial and other jobs that doesnt deal with body contact or food business. But the problem with HIV is that it lowers your immune system and that will result to different kind of disease as lung cancer, penumonia and others. When you accumulate major sickness due to HIV weakening your immune system then you will no longer be qualified to work.

For certain professions, such as those in the defense forces or in healthcare, candidates with HIV are not allowed to apply. But for all other professions, there is no legal ground to bar someone due to his HIV status.

Are you talking about the rule of law. But how is really? If you know of someone in the team are sick with AIDS I doubt that it will be finalized before the end of the month. And rightly so. I do believe that to hide the disease is a crime.

I think you can not take any job if you have no medical checkup's  so they can seen your decease or sickness before you can start in work..
I think those who had sickness like HIV i think government had their own job separated for aids and HIP positive.
Here in my country they are seen this type of virus from some applicant but its not affecting as normal people working for their jobs.
Government here are giving them a chance to work. HIV can't spread if you are not halving sex to others.
So i think it is ok to allow those HIV positive to work.

I think you can not take any job if you have no medical checkup's  so they can seen your decease or sickness before you can start in work..
I think those who had sickness like HIV i think government had their own job separated for aids and HIP positive.
Here in my country they are seen this type of virus from some applicant but its not affecting as normal people working for their jobs.
Government here are giving them a chance to work. HIV can't spread if you are not halving sex to others.
So i think it is ok to allow those HIV positive to work.

Yes. All the countries where the companies send products to America.     ;D

Once again, if that person is denied a promotion, or told to resign from his job, then he can file a court case claiming discrimination based on the HIV status. In the end, the company will be forced to pay a multi-million dollar compensation.

I think no country has let someone who is HIV positive to keep working, be it in the company or institution government owned. That was done because they think for someone who is HIV positive can not work optimally. In my country also do things like that, a lot of people who were fired after getting caught HIV positive. HIV-positive people in the my country if they want to work should be with the business they built themselves. But in my opinion firings not necessary because if a person is HIV positive can still compete with other workers and have a good performance should not be fired, even it would be better to be given the cost of treatment so as not to disturb their performance.

Right. All the companies, if they were smart, would set up a system for selling off the business to a dummie corporation, so that they have an excuse for overturning their employees for any reason.

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terrible: bad, dangerous, desperate, extreme, serious, severe
Why do you think it's a question of emotions? It's a pure question of rationality. You're a human being (I guess) and you're both dangerous and extreme, the word terrible applies rather well I'd say.

Ok so here:
1/ We already discussed the fact that "responsibility" is FAR from being clear. You can get aids or lung cancer without being responsible of it! And are you even aware that no one gets "free healthcare" we all pay for it? And do you understand that you can smoke 10 cigs a day, have lung cancer and the two might be COMPLETELY UNRELATED or are you so terrible (see it works well) that you can't even imagine something not absolute?

2/You haven't answered this point. HIV isn't enough as a punishment they also have to be ejected from society?

Lol?
People are "incentivized" to get aids?
The fact that people with aids can work is for you an incentive for them to not take care of their health when they fuck?
So you're actually saying that A CERTAIN DEATH isn't refraining them from doing dangerous things but that not working would be a good threat?

You even understand how stupid that sounds? Because that's exactly what you're saying.
You're saying that rejecting HIV positive people is a good way to limit bad behaviour...
Ok I see what you mean.
You believe that individuals are completely free of their choices. So that they should take alone responsibility of what happens. It's logical.

Problem is that as far as we know it is not the case.
Did you ever heard of neuromarketing?
It's a very important scientific field of marketing, the goal is to use neuroscience to influence people. To manipulate them.
It's now extremely well developed and at heart of our daily life.
The results are terrifying, most of our consuming actions are unconscious. You buy this or that not because you rationally want to, but because hundreds of very small manipulation leads you to do it.

Sadly I would have trouble advising you lectures in English... I can only recommend you Pierre Bourdieux work.
Neuromarketing is just an example.
What you believe, that humans are completely free of their actions, is basically false, and proved wrong.
We leave in a society built on systems, and those systems have gained so much influence that they partially control our life and ways of thinking.

To think that ones is free so completely responsible is not right, it's just... A social convention, nothing more.

To give you an example: would you say there is a difference of judgement to have between a young woman who killed her father who was raping her on a daily basis and a man who just killed his neighbour because he was angry?

In developped and civilized countries, you will have a medical checkup but the results will be yours only.
In most civilized countries the employer has no right to enquire about things like your health or private life.
And rightfully.
What does it change that someone has aids?

Stop insulting me. You are not objective if you are calling me things.

You just can't respond to my rational argument because you are addicted to arguments from emotions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion




Yes but none of that is based on data, you have just probably made that up.

It is true that there were guys who smoked until 90, but I bet most people just simply die at 60. The exception is not the majority.


Who said anything about being ejected from society? Now you are putting words in my mouth.I havent even said anything related to their work. But I will give an answer now.


I think that they could work, but only in jobs where the risk of infecting others would be very low.

For example in offices, people drink from 1 water container, so the risk of getting AIDS infection from that is not that small. So that has to be properly examined.


No they are incentivized to fuck without brains. But people dont think about consequences.

And when they get AIDS, they go to online forums to cry to people how it's all the fault of everyone else, but themselves.

I don't see any reason that having hiv can affect people's productivity and effectiveness in any way. I mean aside from being depressed and being discriminated, people with hiv can think, react and work as well as people who are well without it. I think this needs to be looked into also as we need to be more educated so that we can lessen discrimination towards hiv victims

Ok thanks for proving you're completely dumb ^^

First look at your answers, you said they shouldn't be allowed to work in your first post.

But the only fact that you don't understand that you can get lung cancer while smoking and the two being no related show how limited you are.there is no emotion involved here, you're a terrible and limited human being, objectively speaking.

Oh and by the way, do you know what aids are?
You can't get infected from drinking in the same place... you can french kiss someone infected for 5 hours you wouldn't get infected...

It just shows again how limited but yet extremely arrogant you are.

Being depressed that's the main reason why people have HIV can't focus on their work that's why there are some company would require you to take medical examination.

But then again, I guess the depression only occurs in the early stage of having HIV. After which, the person should decide what should he do with his life.

Although I am against discriminating HIV positive people, I have to say that HIV affects the performance of an individual. The patients are sometimes forced to take drug cocktails, which are having harmful side-effects such as nausea, vomiting.etc.

I don't think so, maybe it depends of the nature of the work. Mostly or should I say 98% of all the companies don't do HIV screening. Though, I haven't encounter a person who has HIV, but he./she knows how to handle it and it cannot affect your work then its possible to have a normal life.

How about in the middle east, wherein if you are caught with HIV, you will be kicked out of the country immediately. Or perhaps how about in Europe, wherein if you plan on staying there for a year or so, you will be required to get tested and if you are reactive then they will not let you in. Just saying..

That's very glad to hear that and it's very relieve to know that those people are working instead staying away from life. :) Although I don't know which countries allow that, but am sure there are many of them :)

There are a lot of things where can a person get an HIV, sexual intercourse was probably the most common one but that does not the only source of HIV.

I can give you one example a nurse recently used the same injection that he/she used to the previous patient that has HIV, Since that requires blood contact then the other patient might probably be able to pass the virus. Other situation would be you saw someone being on the accident you helped him/her and lets just say that you got a wound while helping that person who has an HIV and since you get a direct contact with that person your wound be infected by the blood of that HIV positive person on the accident,, hmm wait should you use a condom before you help them?

And not only performance. HIV is a danger to the lives of others. I'm not talking about methods of transmission. I am saying that there is always the possibility to get infected. Why take the risk?

why you ask? you're HIV positive?

if i'm an employer i would certainly ask for such info to my employees just so i know who among them are going to take vacation from time to time. the employer i believe has the right to know especially if his business in the "adult" business.

Oh really, more insults, no evidence.

By the way, you can get HIV from saliva too, not just sexual fluids. It's just that the risk is lower.


So maybe 1 kiss on the chin is small risk, but french kissing for 5 hours? Especially if the person you are kissing might have a sore gum, or maybe the food he ate has cut bruised his gum (which happens to me all the time I eat peanuts or dry bread) so small drops of blood could be released in the mouth.

Ok now that is a guaranteed HIV infection right there.

In the middle east, they will kick you out if you are not a citizen. If you have the citizenship, then there is nothing to worry about. The treatment is free, and you will face no harassment even if they know that you got the virus from gay sex.

Oh. I honestly thought they will kick out pretty much whoever has it despite if they a registered local or not.

i was under the impression it was almost totally impossible for anyone to become a citizen of a middle eastern country unless they were born there, not that anyone would want to anyway.

and i don't think they'll be very forgiving if you are a citizen.

Yes. It is next to impossible to obtain the citizenship in Qatar and the United Arab Emirates. Saudi Arabia in rare instances grant citizenship to Muslim immigrants who have stayed there continuously for 20 years or more. Also, they grant citizenship to non-Saudi women married to Saudi men (may be revoked if the marriage ends in a divorce).

Saudi Arabia does not give citizenship to those who do not live in this country. If Saud married a foreigner, she will not get citizenship but only residence permit. And their children will not be Saudi nationals.

I provided plenty of evidence.
Saying you're dumb isn't an insult, here it's a fact. You're self-contradictory, have no evidence whatsoever, and you ignore logical reasonning. You're dumb, nothing bad about it don't worry!

I don't even know what to say xD
I guess I can't do much better than that:
http://fr.lmgtfy.com/?q=can+you+get+hiv+through+saliva

Here are some articles about how you can't get HIV from kissing:
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/basics/transmission.html
https://www.aids.gov/hiv-aids-basics/hiv-aids-101/how-you-get-hiv-aids/

I mean, HIV can be transmitted only from sexual fluids and blood. To have the slightest chance of getting HIV from kissing would mean the person you're kissing has LIQUID BLOOD IN HIS MOUTH! Like some fucking vampire xD
I don't know if you ever kissed someone, but if you've ever kissed someone and you actually tasted blood while kissing this person... This is something VERY DISTURBING!

And I don't see how having AN INCREDIBLY LOW CHANCE OF EVER GETTING INFECTED from literally EATING the mouth of your partner is linked to HIV people working conditions... You casually french kiss your co-workers on a daily basis? XD

You said:

This is false, dumb, unrelated to any real facts etc etc... And unrelated to your whole argumentation about french kissing.

You see? Saying you're dumb is very objective :)

So you need to help an HIV infected person (0.8% of population) that this people has an accident where they actually bleed (less than 1% of population) that you help them actively (and not let the safety intervention team do their jobs because you're here before, which is great but happens like maybe 50% of times) that you hurt yourself while helping this person (don't know, maybe 0.5% of chance? I'd say less but whatever) that your bleeding fleshing enters in contact with the hurt person (maybe... 0.0001% chance?) and then you have only a 5% chance of getting infected because blood contact doesn't mean infection (you can have sex with an HIV positive person without getting infected, it's just stupidely risky).

So that makes like... 0.00000000000001% chance of all this happening?
Like, it won't happen. It never happened. Stop spreading stupid and useless fears man ^^

From this information? In the middle East are bad for gays. Patients with HIV Infection anywhere else in the world is not popular. This infection is deadly and nobody wants to risk. Although on the surface can be tolerated.

Being gay in countries such as Saudi Arabia is not as bad as you think. Obviously they face some discrimination, but no one is going to behead them or throw them from high-rises for their sexual orientation. Till now, Saudi Arabia has reported more than 5,000 HIV infections among its citizens. The majority were infected through homosexual activity. These people get their regular checkups and medications from the government-run hospitals and every thing is free. But for the HIV positive non-citizens, it is a different story.

Ah man, you are a pain in the ass with these arguments.

No not liquid blood, it;s enough if there are small tiny microscopic particles. Like some tiny blood cells in the mouth from biting your tongue or something like that.

The virus is tiny, so it's enough if 1 HIV virus is escaping from your blood stream, and gets into the blood stream of the other guy, it's done at that point.


And also people can cut themselves,without even realizing it, small drops of blood can be droped on a desk, and then the other guy gets infected who works there.


Like how I cut myself acidentally the other day with a sharp wood fragment, and I haven't even realized but the blood can then be dropped on surfaces, and inthis case that could infect people.


Yes it's low chance, but the chance is not 0%.

Nope. You have to get real blood, tiny microscopic particles wouldn't be enough simply because saliva is an agressive environment for the virus (that's why saliva can't be contaminated) so you have to have enough blood to protect the virus, which must at least be a few drops of blood.
Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalse! Misinformation from someone who never read anything on HIV
You can get the virus plenty of times without getting infected.
If 1 HIV virus enters your body you have an INCREDIBLE LOW chance of anything happening!!!
Don't say like it's over and you can do nothing about it...

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMB

Not to say that you also "forget" about your "if you drink to the same source water you can get infected" which is false false faaaaaaaaaaaaalse

You can't get infected by "touching contaminated blood". You can get infected by licking fresh contaminated blood sure, but if you do that you have your own problems xD
Outside of human body the virus doesn't survive longer than a few seconds unless it's kept in a sterilized and warm environment.

And you can touch it as much as you want! You could litteraly drown half of your body in contaminated blood it wouldn't change a thing. (unless this half is the head of course)

Lol, it can really be so easy to blame someone for making mistakes but when it comes to those who got it not because they fucked up but they got it from their parents or as to what you have said from the mistake of the hospital. That is why it is not a good idea to generalize it.


Separation from other people is really the best option to prevent it

I'm not sure about other countries but in mine it's illegal for companies to fire an employee simply for being HIV. Since pre-screening is not allowed, the only way they'd know is if you tell them or if they find other ways to get employees tested and then fire them for something else.


You do know you can't transmit HIV the same way like flu right? Not to mention the virus don't survive long outside the body. You can keep kissing a positive person for hours and not contract it, what made you think just working in the same room with a positive colleague would somehow "taint" you? Unless you intend to fuck him/her in the restroom, then that would be your fault and something you shouldn't be doing at work anyway. You're not getting paid to do that.   ::)

I don't remember hearing news about countries allowing companies to screen for AIDS before hiring. The problem with that is it could open the doors for companies also asking applicants to get screened for various ailments like diabetes, etc. Which, as you probably expect, would open the door for discrimination. Obviously companies would want the fittest employees, even if it's just an office job.