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TL/DR

virtual coin has a "hidden" premine of 387420489 coins at block 11
it is hidden by deliberate confusing weird arse use of code, lack of block explorer, silence from Dev, and deletion of posts.

temporary blockexplorer with premine adress
http://84.200.210.130:3001/address/VVx2Y6TLchaRAHphTde5ysqv7Y8mLVnuav

2014 thread with unanswered questions on pre-mine
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516183.msg5714562#msg5714562
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I initially looked at VC a few weeks ago and noticed that there was an inordinate amount of coins at the time vs what was obvious in the code.
seemingly their idea to hide the pre-mine was to make the code very confusing.

at the time, VC had re-released (v13.0.8), seemingly just starting again from scratch (using old gensis etc) with no mention of the previous coin supply.
just wipe the chain and start again from zero.

this thread was initially my curiousity at understanding the code, the text below and next few entries discuss that initial purpose.

now i'm thinking there is a dedicated effort to make VC an ongoing scam coin so i thought i may as well post in this thread about it.

not that i have any problem with pre-mines when handled correctly, but over 387 million coins, seems a tad excessive, especially coupled with no transparency and deleting of posts.

current main official VC thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1756007.0

and twitter sig campaign thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1775186.0

==== timeline as i've seen it.

. Virtual Coin 9.2.0 was released, a simple reboot of the coin, delete the chain and start from 0 again.
. i built a mac qt and received 500(?) for my efforts
. for some reason the dev sent me 100k and it made me wonder what was going on
i noticed there was something like 137 million coins in existence with zero mention of premine, and a confusing code source (see below for actual code)
. after i pointed all this out in thread, the coin was killed
. re-released again, code was changed making the source even more confusing, the premine was modified, but had problems with connection and killed again
. yet more new threads, re-release and dev deleted my post,
this time there is no source released yet, only a windows qt. assumed so no-one will look at the reward schedule.




below is my original post
=====

can anyone explain how these coins were generated by the source?

seems at least a few of the first hundred blocks were 1.77 million coins.
but i canna see how those coins were generated ?*?*?*?*

here's the src,
https://github.com/vcoin-z/virtualcoin/blob/9.2.0/src/main.cpp#L1324 has been updated a little since then
and here's a fork i made just in case ;)
https://github.com/bumbacoin/virtualcoin/blob/9.2.0/src/main.cpp#L1324


here's the blocks for 99 (reward 1771561.00000000) and 101 (reward 1.00000000).

# vc getblockhash 99
00000ddad8db4b6092456cc37cecae44ecb726172590022b592a680a473302c8

# vc getblock 00000ddad8db4b6092456cc37cecae44ecb726172590022b592a680a473302c8
{
    "hash" : "00000ddad8db4b6092456cc37cecae44ecb726172590022b592a680a473302c8",
    "confirmations" : 1990,
    "size" : 187,
    "height" : 99,
    "version" : 2,
    "merkleroot" : "340d2ced8790b696e53353732f23bd5f255b9802f2d4e276c56a4c08cea78757",
    "tx" : [
        "340d2ced8790b696e53353732f23bd5f255b9802f2d4e276c56a4c08cea78757"
    ],
    "time" : 1483987796,
    "nonce" : 40541,
    "bits" : "1e0ffff0",
    "difficulty" : 0.00024414,
    "previousblockhash" : "00000d341a554a2730dcac08ba58b3794c10202aec1a58f88c5fc233574726e0",
    "nextblockhash" : "00000035f3a8e1647c49937f6ad2d61bc0ffa95c894238d808023289d521a48d"
}

# vc getrawtransaction 340d2ced8790b696e53353732f23bd5f255b9802f2d4e276c56a4c08cea78757
01000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000fffff fff0b01630102062f503253482fffffffff010009695e1fa10000232102738260e5f73e252efc54 af9688b56660e84834d3b1754d773d9d2196506117acac00000000

# vc decoderawtransaction 01000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000fffff fff0b01630102062f503253482fffffffff010009695e1fa10000232102738260e5f73e252efc54 af9688b56660e84834d3b1754d773d9d2196506117acac00000000
{
    "txid" : "340d2ced8790b696e53353732f23bd5f255b9802f2d4e276c56a4c08cea78757",
    "version" : 1,
    "locktime" : 0,
    "vin" : [
        {
            "coinbase" : "01630102062f503253482f",
            "sequence" : 4294967295
        }
    ],
    "vout" : [
        {
           "value" : 1771561.00000000,
           "n" : 0,
            "scriptPubKey" : {
                "asm" : "02738260e5f73e252efc54af9688b56660e84834d3b1754d773d9d2196506117ac OP_CHECKSIG",
                "hex" : "2102738260e5f73e252efc54af9688b56660e84834d3b1754d773d9d2196506117acac",
                "reqSigs" : 1,
                "type" : "pubkey",
                "addresses" : [
                    "VUGejSZayTRWLjnEVE5k7rsmtvYEZxq7fs"
                ]
            }
        }
    ]
}


similarly block 100 has a reward of 1771561.00000000 coins. but luckily, the madness stops there and block 101 goes to a 1 coin reward.

# vc getblockhash 101
0000066a8f4c086e7e7f9c50e971629ecdab93612ba2fb1a27dae419ebbd5a3b

# vc getblock 0000066a8f4c086e7e7f9c50e971629ecdab93612ba2fb1a27dae419ebbd5a3b
{
    "hash" : "0000066a8f4c086e7e7f9c50e971629ecdab93612ba2fb1a27dae419ebbd5a3b",
    "confirmations" : 1989,
    "size" : 187,
    "height" : 101,
    "version" : 2,
    "merkleroot" : "c72271ad042f7b89d69cbc44aba3a8bc1dcd9d2c8a410fb4d06a244f5eaa7124",
    "tx" : [
        "c72271ad042f7b89d69cbc44aba3a8bc1dcd9d2c8a410fb4d06a244f5eaa7124"
    ],
    "time" : 1483987960,
    "nonce" : 131745,
    "bits" : "1e0685ec",
    "difficulty" : 0.00059882,
    "previousblockhash" : "00000035f3a8e1647c49937f6ad2d61bc0ffa95c894238d808023289d521a48d",
    "nextblockhash" : "0000008d17d6a4d2f3305f435130d1c3b8e92273a7638d00ea93bd5c52c50e76"
}

# vc getrawtransaction c72271ad042f7b89d69cbc44aba3a8bc1dcd9d2c8a410fb4d06a244f5eaa7124
01000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000fffff fff0b01650102062f503253482fffffffff0100e1f5050000000023210318a65ca888eacfa2ab76 fad7e0509ebac6adb085f2ecc2dfb41c31cd108e8607ac00000000

root@eight:~/.virtualcoin# vc decoderawtransaction 01000000010000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000fffff fff0b01650102062f503253482fffffffff0100e1f5050000000023210318a65ca888eacfa2ab76 fad7e0509ebac6adb085f2ecc2dfb41c31cd108e8607ac00000000
{
    "txid" : "c72271ad042f7b89d69cbc44aba3a8bc1dcd9d2c8a410fb4d06a244f5eaa7124",
    "version" : 1,
    "locktime" : 0,
    "vin" : [
        {
            "coinbase" : "01650102062f503253482f",
            "sequence" : 4294967295
        }
    ],
    "vout" : [
        {
           "value" : 1.00000000,
           "n" : 0,
            "scriptPubKey" : {
                "asm" : "0318a65ca888eacfa2ab76fad7e0509ebac6adb085f2ecc2dfb41c31cd108e8607 OP_CHECKSIG",
                "hex" : "210318a65ca888eacfa2ab76fad7e0509ebac6adb085f2ecc2dfb41c31cd108e8607ac",
                "reqSigs" : 1,
                "type" : "pubkey",
                "addresses" : [
                    "VHvuUh2kHmZyLqas1rpjchtXt6p2DcKqSP"
                ]
            }
        }
    ]
}


.
here's my post on the Virtual Coin thread.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557946.msg17500615#msg17500615

    if(nHeight >= 100 && nHeight < 3000) {
        if((nHeight >= 101 && dDiff > 75) || nHeight >= 1000) {
            // 222000/(((x+2600)/9)^2)
            nSubsidy = (222000.0 / (pow((dDiff+2600.0)/9.0,2.0)));
            if (nSubsidy > 25) nSubsidy = 5;
            if (nSubsidy < 5) nSubsidy = 1;
        } else {
            nSubsidy = (1112.0 / (pow((dDiff+51.0)/6.0,2.0)));
            if (nSubsidy > 500) nSubsidy = 5;
            if (nSubsidy < 25) nSubsidy = 1;
        }
    } else {
        nSubsidy = (1111.0 / (pow((dDiff+1.0),2.0)));
        if (nSubsidy > 500) nSubsidy = 5;
        if (nSubsidy < 1) nSubsidy = 1;
           nSubsidy = pow (11.0, 6.0);
   }




haha ok. mystery solved :)

            nSubsidy = pow (11.0, 6.0);

is 11^6 = 1771561


well that was far more straight forward than i thought . lol

Bumbacoin beat me to it. Yes it's 11^6 which is 1,771,561.

lol yes.
i had to go for a walk around the house to let myself see the obvious :p

for extra lols, here's the new re-jigged Virtual Coin code.
it certainly seems to me that the effort to disguise their pre-mine is highly over done.

https://github.com/vcoin-z/virtualcoin/blob/9.2.0/src/main.cpp#L1326

in particular

         if (VcoinHT > 10 && VcoinHT < 12) VcoinRD = pow (pzx,pzy);
https://github.com/vcoin-z/virtualcoin/blob/9.2.0/src/main.cpp#L1371

with
int pzx = 3;
int pzy = 4*4+2;


possibly
block 11 will have a reward of 3^18= 387420489 ??
confirmed below

they're apparently having connection issues so it's impossible to connect to the network yet to actually look at the block rewards.
but there is a checkpoint for block 13 so i'm guessing it's a big reward :)

i've decided to keep an eye on VC as it seems an effort in scam pre-mine.
mainly cos of the amusing way they "hid" the pre-mine.

just re-released yet again as version 14.0.2
and they have not updated the github source, i assume because i've been looking at the code and pointing out the premine blocks.

so instead will have to settle for downloading the windows qt and trawling the first 20 or so blocks to see what happens.


EDIT. apparently the win qt is 150 megs, seems excessively large
AND can't unzip it as it's password protected.. havent tried installing yet. need a VM :p

https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=0B0du_MpVWXexbl9KYm9WcWtfb0U

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1775186

..
can't unzip,
but the installer generates a ~24 mb qt, and the roaming folder,
i dont have any anti virus installed on teh VM so no idea what else it's doing, but a scan with Trend Micro HouseCall revealed no problems.

okay, so as expected block 12 contains a large amount of coins.(blocks 11 and 13 both show 0 coins)

"txid" : "7b4d0e0ebe43c0c8e7b2a842bfc803ef84ced6cd67bd9d09309d19eee9e0645c",
"version" : 1,
"locktime" : 0,
"vin" : [
{
"coinbase" : "5c0101062f503253482f",
"sequence" : 4294967295
}
],
"vout" : [
{
"value" : 387420489.00000000,
"n" : 0,
"scriptPubKey" : {
"asm" : "024cfbb1b3529e2b79b1d4aa1d04471f827fb4fafaca19a7159bf6ec11a5c12cd4 OP_CHECKSIG",
"hex" : "21024cfbb1b3529e2b79b1d4aa1d04471f827fb4fafaca19a7159bf6ec11a5c12cd4ac",
"reqSigs" : 1,
"type" : "pubkey",
"addresses" : [
"VVx2Y6TLchaRAHphTde5ysqv7Y8mLVnuav"
]






and a getinfo

{
"version" : 140001,
"protocolversion" : 70029,
"walletversion" : 60000,
"balance" : 0.00000000,
"blocks" : 58,
"timeoffset" : 0,
"connections" : 2,
"proxy" : "",
"difficulty" : 6.98429165,
"testnet" : false,
"keypoololdest" : 1486087961,
"keypoolsize" : 101,
"paytxfee" : 0.00000000,
"mininput" : 0.00001000,
"errors" : ""
}


block 58 gives a reward of 1 VC



{
"txid" : "a6f9f409150fec6b3fbc55d065eddd8724d9aa88a201732a01df7a9641ff60e9",
"version" : 1,
"locktime" : 0,
"vin" : [
{
"coinbase" : "013a02cd01062f503253482f",
"sequence" : 4294967295
}
],
"vout" : [
{
"value" : 1.00000000,
"n" : 0,
"scriptPubKey" : {
"asm" : "0246ba16cfa3782b55129b74d77ddac763eee1503db3f261e4ce10eb36512d4fcd OP_CHECKSIG",
"hex" : "210246ba16cfa3782b55129b74d77ddac763eee1503db3f261e4ce10eb36512d4fcdac",
"reqSigs" : 1,
"type" : "pubkey",
"addresses" : [
"VWjXrxRZSRKGsUYRKmZuLJfGaVdSMjSko5"
]
}
}
]
}



block 57, 1 coin to VVRUBuL9JGudzoG1zCf7CbepMAmzHqRXkp
block 55, 1 coin to VBbkyGZR6TyWZLxgHPMbrck8oChWSURyJG

seems that the code base generates a new address for each block mined perhaps?


NOTE. to see this information you need a full indexed copy of the blockchain,
to do this you need to restart with
txindex=1
in the conf file.

then to get all info's the following commands are used,
getblockhash
getblock
getrawtransaction
decoderawtransaction

main thread is unlocked
and getting a lot of attention but no block explorer ;)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1756007

github source has been updated,
assumedly to current version.

the reward schedule does not seem to have appreciably changed
pre-mine is evident amongst the confusion of the code.

         if (VcoinHT > 10 && VcoinHT < 12) VcoinRD = pow (pzx,pzy);

with
int pzx = 3;
int pzy = 4*4+2;

block 11 will have a reward of 3^18= 387420489

https://github.com/vcoin-z/virtualcoin/blob/9.2.0/src/main.cpp#L1349



.
the reward for block 11 is not clearly included in source,
the obvious way would be a single line with all relevant info,

if (VcoinHT =11) Vcoinr = 387420489

instead 11 is obfuscated, VcoinHT > 10 && VcoinHT < 1
the whole reward schedule is confusing as fuck.

and the use of pow (pzx,pzy)
(which is a relic of age old Virtual Coin source)
i assume pow is used as it is very similar to PoW and is overtly less suspicious than a direct value,
but pzx and pzy are declared seperately
at https://github.com/vcoin-z/virtualcoin/blob/9.2.0/src/main.cpp#L52  and L57

with the added bonus of pzy also not being a simple clear value, but rather 4*4+2

posts are getting deleted.


meanwhile old coin olders are apparently going to get a taste of that 387 million coin premine by perhaps getting a few thousand ..




although on a positive note,
i didnot notice previously, but with 2000 block maturity, means the pre-mine will not be available for quite some time yet.
(not that the dev has bothered mentioning that, nor admitted the pre-mine exists etc …)

i've setup a temporary explorer.
it's my first attempt with iquidus so no idea how stable it will be where it is

http://84.200.210.130:3001

and the magic block

http://84.200.210.130:3001/block/000000f6bfddb729aa113e3374da77a969bf64778704027ec1faf9d2ec1dc28b

Premine was no metioned in the relaunch.

yes, well in fairness old balances will be matched by rewarding tweets.
so a pre-mine maybe implied or at least useful?

the obvious question is whether 387 million coins is strictly necessary to pay for a bunch of tweets at 100 coins each?

i dont think coinut read the rules properly :(

me thinks the sockpuppets are strong for VC :)


here's a post from 2014 asking about the pre-mine,

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=516183.msg5714562#msg5714562

This is really a strange coin looking quite fishy.
Big premine
No known exchanges or plans for them
Dev locked the old thread and the new one is self moderated
I had two posts asking why there is 2nd relaunch and about roadmaps, but with were deleted by the dev,
It looks like the dev allows only positive comments and funnily they come mostly from newbie accounts  ;)

I am just amazed by the creativity of the devs who created the hidden premine, and, i am also amazed by Bumbacoin, the way he found this is just, impressive, really a good work.
I aleready saw this coin in the past, it is impressive to see that she is still alive, but Bumba is true, the devs shall explain more about the premine, what is it for, where it is stored.

it certainly seems there's more than a couple of accounts operated by dev/team,

and with much protestation of innocence and good will (still no mention of pre-mine) the new thread is now locked
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1756007.msg17799634#msg17799634


.
virtual coin richlist
http://84.200.210.130:3001/richlist

premine address
http://84.200.210.130:3001/address/VVx2Y6TLchaRAHphTde5ysqv7Y8mLVnuav


now the chain is over 2000 blocks, the premine is available to move ...

lolz
they've allocated 5k for the twitter bounties..

lmao

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eFV_Az87wZOne93O04F573Z7O61rL7s7DCsuAhY8IAE/edit#gid=0


..
this seems to be not in line with the previous promises of payouts

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1756007.msg17578890#msg17578890

seems the block explorer is invalid ? i guess it's possible if they forked without telling anyone, but all the transactions listed in teh thread are visible ..

so why would the dev not want a block explorer ??

http://84.200.210.130:3001/richlist

lolz.

<3 to you and all yr sockpuppets :D

Thanks

hmm. maybe i should add a list of obv sockpuppets to OP.

 ???

please can you post more info?
i'd like to know how we did so,.

out of the hundreds of btc's we stoled by taking down the bumbacoin block explorer,
we need the info to determine which btc's were yours in particular.


thank you for your co-operation,


also pls don't forget to look at the un-official VC explorer to see the 387 million coin pre0mine.
especially if you're one of the lucky VC tweets who get a healthy 500 300 coins for so much effort !!

Dude, imagine saying in that topic "hey dev, i PM-ed everyone that participated in this topic the blockchain explorer address so they can see the transactions" i bet he would freak out like s#@t "  :D

heh i've pm'ed a few, seems most of the posters on thread are the dev/team so it seems pointless. lol


.
our bumbacoin explorer is back up,

now joblessminer can find all their stolen bitcoin on it.


meanwhile the 387 million coin pre-mine is still very visible on teh VC explorer.
http://84.200.210.130:3001/richlist
i wonder why the dev only spent 5k on twitter bounties ?


hmm, maybe to convince noobs that there really is no 387 million premine?
but why dont noobs look at the block explorer ? oh because there is no official explorer, and dev keeps deleting any mention of it on the thread.

.. oh that's right, VC will be valued at $100 usd each and be a top 5 currency soon. explains everything then.

now listed,
https://www.coinexchange.io/market/VC/BTC

good news for dev, expect to see some carnage in the future ..

good to see, dev finally actually has admitted the pre=mine exists,
after numerous posts deleted, and years of ongoing ignoring.

for some reason.
all previous questions regarding the premine were considered as spam and fud,
and my questions elicited an attack from a couple of obvious dev sockpuppets.

still the problem exists that there is no official mention of it in the OP.
looking forward to total transparency.


heh.
of course my question still is why is the premine so confusingly created in teh code?

lol definite reward for the most unclear code ever !!

the pre-mine is an obvious thing to see,
sockpuppets are not so obvious to prove,

the dev might not have sold any, but sockpuppets are allowed to sell?

spent a few minutes looking at the explorer,
seems various bounties have not been paid yet (judging on amounts posted in thread)


namo
joblessminer
bitcoinrulzz

all are very vocal supporters, including attacking me :)
yet none of those have received any bounties yet ?
nor have they asked ?

also apple_talk has received no bounty,
there is one question from v.coinz asking for apple_talk address, so perhaps they are mining only?
apple_talk is most likely to not be a sockpuppet !!

If you're using that wallet it's a few years out of date. Also the entire coin was converted a few years ago from Proof of Work to Proof of Stake with a very long conversion time.

With no pre-mines, ICO, or wacky code I'm not sure how you claim to have lost BTC.


 

gettxoutsetinfo

{
"height" : 9523,
"bestblock" : "0000000000fbc0914e7e10751ba6ec6484a7083a450de7c0524d29960747770d",
"transactions" : 9374,
"txouts" : 16184,
"bytes_serialized" : 729877,
"hash_serialized" : "bf828c15d892811e440f0d3bc1f92304be0371369b2c41766e7b8699ed626395",
"total_amount" : 491290.70684192
}

ok, only 491k total supply coins mined to date.

387 mil no longer shows up in blockchain.

fees are burned,
so obviously setting the txfee as 100mill (or whatever) will destroy those coins ..


here is the premine transaction, prior to the "burning"
{
  "hex": "01000000011dc41f0fb965a4374a8f3a1246bb503407af4d61f3bb6ecb1ef059ff776986e201000 0006b48304502210094c1995733024f2e42c5fb540caa11ab830616b4980407a051b163b313ed4b 1b02200666397b39089ac63a36aa4eec44482c1139d7c43650e7acb19b555f3e28bc83012103e48 9397c15aa4d72107a48097b5a2ff111bc139415bdfa2ae16ef2078f1b0752ffffffff020010a5d4 e80000001976a9140c25db4cc35cf971d22afe0e3f75df8ad5785f6288ac71fcaba410a18900197 6a914eecaed063f3baedfbc2ecda542afc95b7eb1ab6388ac00000000",
  "txid": "e3b405db1391d9c5913ea71bde446d5841c9787c9b33869191914db79ccbcdb2",
  "version": 1,
  "locktime": 0,
  "vin": [
    {
      "txid": "e2866977ff59f01ecb6ebbf3614daf073450bb46123a8f4a37a465b90f1fc41d",
      "vout": 1,
      "scriptSig": {
        "asm": "304502210094c1995733024f2e42c5fb540caa11ab830616b4980407a051b163b313ed4b1b02200 666397b39089ac63a36aa4eec44482c1139d7c43650e7acb19b555f3e28bc8301 03e489397c15aa4d72107a48097b5a2ff111bc139415bdfa2ae16ef2078f1b0752",
        "hex": "48304502210094c1995733024f2e42c5fb540caa11ab830616b4980407a051b163b313ed4b1b022 00666397b39089ac63a36aa4eec44482c1139d7c43650e7acb19b555f3e28bc83012103e489397c 15aa4d72107a48097b5a2ff111bc139415bdfa2ae16ef2078f1b0752"
      },
      "sequence": 4294967295
    }
  ],
  "vout": [
    {
      "value": 10000,
      "n": 0,
      "scriptPubKey": {
        "asm": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 0c25db4cc35cf971d22afe0e3f75df8ad5785f62 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG",
        "hex": "76a9140c25db4cc35cf971d22afe0e3f75df8ad5785f6288ac",
        "reqSigs": 1,
        "type": "pubkeyhash",
        "addresses": [
          "VBmTPEFqgbWcukqBa7P85z3M2ABcXsHX2x"
        ]
      }
    },
    {
     "value": 387391646.63643247,
     "n": 1,
      "scriptPubKey": {
        "asm": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 eecaed063f3baedfbc2ecda542afc95b7eb1ab63 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG",
        "hex": "76a914eecaed063f3baedfbc2ecda542afc95b7eb1ab6388ac",
        "reqSigs": 1,
        "type": "pubkeyhash",
        "addresses": [
          "VYRqqo3VmixWsZCAKrQkZjJ62gf6sYaanS"
        ]
      }
    }
  ],
  "blockhash": "0000000002a5e758c5045debbdbf41531b9e0bc5e79e6df9903d7d93fdee0fdf",
  "confirmations": 2161,
  "time": 1488911208,
  "blocktime": 1488911208
}

the output value of interest is
     "value": 387391646.63643247,


then 1 coin is sent to VJ89GSirqkNVrRGJFzMyQ12iNmCBGoJPuU,
and the change is sent to VRYS6kBAXnsGi3pk3iVEBYRRvknbLSAPdm

 the change is only
287391645.63643247
so 100million coins did disappear in the transaction.

{
  "hex": "0100000001b2cdcb9cb74d91919186339b7c78c941586d44de1ba73e91c5d99113db05b4e301000 0006a47304402204f6c78ddee18711e6ce43413e313996a7da96f95899a6982b9e5e99582d583b4 022057a02b2bb754e6a3bc6df4405b90aa163cf22239f0f7d2c3c15dad784a1be39b012103304d1 5ad4f16a8445d0933bceaf4c08f30ec14a0c94d8fc2d632885d2c8ad2caffffffff02721bf52e1e 1a66001976a914a341235ae3da1c3447926656bf3fbc1cf52cb32a88ac00e1f505000000001976a 91451e039267f51ef38dd8c63af46ce23e7eb058a9888ac00000000",
  "txid": "f251aa6066e5562373069c5971f942fc540b88e90cb84b1b9d3827059e4afb84",
  "version": 1,
  "locktime": 0,
  "vin": [
    {
      "txid": "e3b405db1391d9c5913ea71bde446d5841c9787c9b33869191914db79ccbcdb2",
      "vout": 1,
      "scriptSig": {
        "asm": "304402204f6c78ddee18711e6ce43413e313996a7da96f95899a6982b9e5e99582d583b4022057a 02b2bb754e6a3bc6df4405b90aa163cf22239f0f7d2c3c15dad784a1be39b01 03304d15ad4f16a8445d0933bceaf4c08f30ec14a0c94d8fc2d632885d2c8ad2ca",
        "hex": "47304402204f6c78ddee18711e6ce43413e313996a7da96f95899a6982b9e5e99582d583b402205 7a02b2bb754e6a3bc6df4405b90aa163cf22239f0f7d2c3c15dad784a1be39b012103304d15ad4f 16a8445d0933bceaf4c08f30ec14a0c94d8fc2d632885d2c8ad2ca"
      },
      "sequence": 4294967295
    }
  ],
  "vout": [
    {
     "value": 287391645.63643247,
     "n": 0,
      "scriptPubKey": {
        "asm": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 a341235ae3da1c3447926656bf3fbc1cf52cb32a OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG",
        "hex": "76a914a341235ae3da1c3447926656bf3fbc1cf52cb32a88ac",
        "reqSigs": 1,
        "type": "pubkeyhash",
        "addresses": [
          "VRYS6kBAXnsGi3pk3iVEBYRRvknbLSAPdm"
        ]
      }
    },
    {
     "value": 1,
     "n": 1,
      "scriptPubKey": {
        "asm": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 51e039267f51ef38dd8c63af46ce23e7eb058a98 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG",
        "hex": "76a91451e039267f51ef38dd8c63af46ce23e7eb058a9888ac",
        "reqSigs": 1,
        "type": "pubkeyhash",
        "addresses": [
          "VJ89GSirqkNVrRGJFzMyQ12iNmCBGoJPuU"
        ]
      }
    }
  ],
  "blockhash": "0000000000b74179d2c144292daa2033bd22bb8a1b6d1956b718f16ab3a7d507",
  "confirmations": 1879,
  "time": 1488995319,
  "blocktime": 1488995319
}

{
  "hex": "010000000148c12e6a028a0b6927d238757a0caad57021675b98947e551f4b39493d0ccbc900000 0006c493046022100a0e7d1220305e7ad4edfd9cf93db1888a88f5a4edf47cfb148f78c522bdb53 c10221009bcc7d09421a8180dffe1ba49ebc64bb7085f38660f78b054f5efb74bfce87780121031 758a29c019d53ea96ef1a5244f965cca6df265403f2b84a7f2c4f346ba8a781ffffffff02017844 c2460800001976a91447e99ada6eb46968aefb6212b977ae3a7e63a7b588ac00e1f505000000001 976a91466fa3d3f723f9882170af7f3ccaca93a836f672b88ac00000000",
  "txid": "ea55efe32d053253128402e1874dc0c61adab33c89d8671f7d10ebda603db914",
  "version": 1,
  "locktime": 0,
  "vin": [
    {
      "txid": "c9cb0c3d49394b1f557e94985b672170d5aa0c7a7538d227690b8a026a2ec148",
      "vout": 0,
      "scriptSig": {
        "asm": "3046022100a0e7d1220305e7ad4edfd9cf93db1888a88f5a4edf47cfb148f78c522bdb53c102210 09bcc7d09421a8180dffe1ba49ebc64bb7085f38660f78b054f5efb74bfce877801 031758a29c019d53ea96ef1a5244f965cca6df265403f2b84a7f2c4f346ba8a781",
        "hex": "493046022100a0e7d1220305e7ad4edfd9cf93db1888a88f5a4edf47cfb148f78c522bdb53c1022 1009bcc7d09421a8180dffe1ba49ebc64bb7085f38660f78b054f5efb74bfce87780121031758a2 9c019d53ea96ef1a5244f965cca6df265403f2b84a7f2c4f346ba8a781"
      },
      "sequence": 4294967295
    }
  ],
  "vout": [
    {
      "value": 91000.00000001,
      "n": 0,
      "scriptPubKey": {
        "asm": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 47e99ada6eb46968aefb6212b977ae3a7e63a7b5 OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG",
        "hex": "76a91447e99ada6eb46968aefb6212b977ae3a7e63a7b588ac",
        "reqSigs": 1,
        "type": "pubkeyhash",
        "addresses": [
          "VHDTkNgNFi6LVpfbjasgSGiSpjEeKKR1qE"
        ]
      }
    },
    {
      "value": 1,
      "n": 1,
      "scriptPubKey": {
        "asm": "OP_DUP OP_HASH160 66fa3d3f723f9882170af7f3ccaca93a836f672b OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG",
        "hex": "76a91466fa3d3f723f9882170af7f3ccaca93a836f672b88ac",
        "reqSigs": 1,
        "type": "pubkeyhash",
        "addresses": [
          "VL3id6YsfM6AYVeRGBdF29fJPXAGxprfUu"
        ]
      }
    }
  ],
  "blockhash": "00000000007d601dfd59ffd96a51f6e7f0e542bc9fb1a534106671ad063029a5",
  "confirmations": 1856,
  "time": 1489005531,
  "blocktime": 1489005531
}



so only 91000 left out of the 387420489.00000000 premine,
great work :)

http://84.200.210.130:3001/richlist

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i've always said there's nothing necessarily wrong with a pre-mine, only how it's dealt with.
a 387million coin premine was a tad extreme when only about 50k has been distributed.

having that amount of coins lurking in the dev fund was always going to raise issues.

Cap is back at about <20 BTC, RANK 300+ , and they had in the last days a 70 000 000 $ market cap
How does this sound ? And how can this be explain ?