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Hi friends,

Work the longest without loss ? With which strategy ? (With an average of 0.1 BTC balancing)
Which site and which strategy to run for a long time without loss?

Everyone share their experiences, brain storm

well, basically all dice site have the same system of the game so there is no difference. run for a long time without loss? maybe try to bet 98% win chance, that is the highest chance you can get on dice games, you can expect to get long green streak before getting red but if you think of it, you are risking a big amount just to win 1% of it so its not worth it

It has nothing to do with which site you play. Just use dicebot to try different sites with different tactics. Most sites accept zerobets, so you won't loose anything and have nice stats of your runs.

Actually I want to say exactly,

How long have you been playing by continuing to win ??

for example ,

Balance : 0.1 BTC
Base Bet : 0.00001 BTC
Win Change % 77
Lose increase 3.5X
2 Hours

Profit : + 0.01 BTC :)
Finally Balance : 0.11 BTC

Let us share such advice

2.3x with 10% increase onwin.
Have fun with it.
And if you can use it with seuntjle bot, reset every 3 wins.

looks good

I tried this strategy today: multiplier 2X raise on win 25%. I was able to reach 0.0028BTC in an hour or two. My first bet was 200 satoshi, and i raised it to 2000 satoshi and lost all money. It is worth of mentioning because my bankroll was just 2800 satoshi  ;D
Good luck!

I use my own strategy, in which I have shared with a select few who have thanked me. I don't gamble for profit, so I don't hardly ever lose (and when I do, I just shrug it off).

I mostly play at crypto-games.net, it's my favourite site. I have yet to find one that I like more (though, bitvest takes a close second). I post my strategy there sometimes.

I only play until I win a certain amount, then I stop. Since doing this, I haven't lost anything, but I'm not saying that I won't lose, I just have a system: the more you play, the more you pay. I kinda don't want to go in specifics, because I really don't know if this could bankrupt sites with people who have a 0.1 balance. I only use 0.01, and it's successful enough for the little amount that I feel like walking away with.

I'm sure it's not fool proof, but I don't know, if plenty of people who gamble smart do it, it could do some damage, I would think.

The strategy is a twist on martingale, changing the payout on every win, but that's all I'ma say, because I have had a lot of luck with it.

My strategy that I used goes like this first you need to go to auto bet then set the base bet to 0.1% of your bankroll for example if you have 10million satoshi set the base to 10k then for the multiplier go for triple digits like 100-200 then lastly for every losing bet set the increase bet by 1% then on winning bet go back to base bet. This worked for me after a few tries then on my next session the losses came in hard like having no win after 500-600 rolls.

I did not get it
Could you give me an example?

I think ralle14 meant this:
Base bet size: 0.1% of your bankroll
Multiplier: 100-200X
On win: return to base bet
On loss: increase bet 1%
Hit autobet button
Anyway, it's some kind of martingale strategy, i don't recommend you to use it.

i see different multipliers in this topic and everywhere else whenever people want to win more, and things like that. but what you don't take into account is the fact that when you change the multiplier then you have to change the amount of increase after each loss.

to put simply using your own example, when you used 77% chance you had to increase the amount on loss by 3.5X (i am assuming this will cover the loss without calculating it) this means you have a small multiplier and win small amounts each win but you win more times. then one loss means you increase the amount by a big amount which negates all the previous wins and some more. and in long term you will end up losing more so it really doesn't matter.

In dice sites if you want to play longer you can try betting with low size bet with very high odd of winning like >90%. I used to play with max 0.001BTC per bet with above 90% winning chance so that i could play longer but you will loss what you have earned in 10 winnings if you loss one time. So actually no any strategy will work for longer time...

Longest run was on 999dice few years ago. Bot was running 28 hours playing 3x with some increment after a loss. Don't know exactly how much. For all those hours I didn't had a bad streak more then 28 reds, the Max I could handle.

Not sure if you got some tricks and looks like good then sure. There on youtube you've many refferance about strategy for dice.
But Remember dice's talking about lucky too. back again to yourself for control of money.

i did running dice bot and it was still alive (not busted) for 9 hours, it was 0.0000001 BTC as base bet, increase on lose 10%, my balance 0.02 btc and 9% win chance. I didn't get big profit from that but the important thing was i didn't got busted. For sure, any kind of strategy will busted if you're keep running it.

Im done with those multipliers posted above since its just using common martingale or whatsoever method.It may give you constant wins but in one lose you would need to recover the amount then you will need to wait again to reach it if your lucky enough then you might grow your money but if not 2x lose streaks will surely put you in trouble in recovering up.

i have been trying this strategy several times

basic capital : 0.01 btc
setting bets : 80%
after less than 1 hour i stop it with all amount 0,0108 btc and that mean 0.0008 btc profit

unfortunately this is not strategy for long run because after several times success using this strategy then i was lost my bitcoin too because i hit several red mark on my bets and i personally do not trust long run strategy for gambling

Basebets would depend on your bankroll though on 0.1 I could actually made settings:
Base bet:0.0000001
Multiplier:60x
Chance: 6.67%
% on loss: 1.3

It may work for sometime but I didn't use it anymore since it deplete all my bankroll in an instant :)

You need to always bet a % of your bankroll. This way, you can never go bust as your bet size will increase or decrease depending on your winnings.

It will be difficult to stick to it, but it may make your gambling experience much more enjoyable.

Based on my experience, there is no such thing in the strategy that works the longest without loss.  Dice game depends on luck, so we cannot tell whether we can have a long winning streak or not.  But with knowing how to stop you can always book a profit using martingale strategy but this strategy does not guarantee you a big win because the purpose of the strategy is to quit when you are winning.

The longer you play the more you lose..  i used to use the x5 multiplier flat bets and it did worked sometimes(if i was lucky) in short-run, in the long-run i always lose.

Actually you are going for virtual games ( I mean website based scripted game ) .
At such things are always results into loss .
Gambling are ways to make money speedly and through shortcut , these are words only to saying .
I will advice to get away from gambling with such script based game , because here earning percentage of gambling is limited .
I will suggest you to gamble at sport games .
I have already explained about it here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1570129.new#new
Hope this will help you :)

OP wants strategy that can't even loss though. There is none afaik because all strategy is same, there is only method to slow your loss only in you want to play it for a long run, there is nothing much strategy that you can do. And you said about 98% winning chance, this will always lead you to losing but it is the slowest one among others strategy

if you want to win more and lose less times you can change the chance of winning to a higher percentage chance which means lowering the multiplier to something like 1.01x but this will only change how many times you win not how much you win. in the end any strategy that you choose in dice you will end up losing in the long run because of the house edge.

that is why i gave up on strategies in dice and now i am playing with my guy and random bets based on how much i own to have fun and test my luck.

Sometimes when I got bored I left my auto roll runs and wishing when I came back it still rolling. I prefer to use this method :
Basebet      : 0.0035% from my total balance.
Payout       : 100x
% on loss   : 1%
I leave this method for about 6 - 8 hours. I got an alert that said "insufficient funds" couple times(my remaining balance cant cover the previous lost). The fun thing is when I came back to my computer and didnt see an alert, which mean I won the game because my auto roll still running. I saw my balance doubled and sometime even tripled. This method is best to use at a dice site with better speed even we play with small basebet.

Justdice has the highest win chance 98.99% or 1.0001x multiplier http://prntscr.com/dw7jcy  ;)
Running your bets at 98% win chance totally doesn't worth with the risk. Once your bet hit red, you must rolled 100 streak wins and it will break even (if you not use any increase on lose).
Ussually i doing this OP,
Basebet : 0.0000001 LTC (change with btc if you want)
Win chance : 0.1%
Increase on lose : 0.4%
My initial balance was 3 LTC and it turned 7.xxx LTC around 6 hours rolling.

that was sounds like a good experience isn't it? it's fun for some people to do so, small percentage bet with high payout as a target. as long as you spend affrodable amount i think it's gonna be a fun way to play dice. i just not sure if you keep doing method like this could make you profit, no? i guess yeah , always hard to make a game like dice profitable.

Just like I said in the other thread in this gambling discussion section just invite more people and make them as your referrals the more the referrals the more money to come on you.But choose a better gambling site that offers affiliate programs.

It's safe but I don't think it's easy to attract gamblers to sign under you as your referral. Some makes this kind of business but they offer something like giving free bets or whatever favor you can do for them, most gamblers are smarter now especially the high rollers so it's not easy for you to attract them.

No way, especially in dice game, I don't think that any strategy would work for a long time. I usually play dice game, and all dice game have a same way to play, and it is easy and enjoyable game. But in this game, we don't need to use mind and strategy, because it is luck base game, but instead of it, more chances are here to win in it.

You can play longer but even with 1.01x odd you will get busted atleast one time in dice. So there is no any strategy that you can use to play for longer time without single loss.

One and only working strategy in dice is to cashout when you feel you are happy with profit you have made so far.  ;D

Exactly even in a small chances of losing you will be able to experience loses and from that every winnings that you have maybe including your bankroll will be busted theres no way to just keep winning from any dice games aside from having the glitch or you have the complete immitation of the program that been used from that particular site.

it doesn't matter what strategy you choose in dice, you will always come down to starting from some amount then increasing the bet size with different types of formula and then back to initial on win. and all of them are like this.
when you use 2x or other similar methods it is martingale.
but the only thing that can help you win or last long are your luck and the bankroll.
you say 0.1 bankroll, you  can start with 1 satoshi or increase the risk 100 times by starting from 100 satoshi and last longer.

Even on 1.01x on playing dice wont really work out even you won in a long line and one lose will really wipe out those win you do have and you will keep on chasing it and would really wipe your bank roll so easily thats why we should really know how to go out when we are earning on % on our bankroll.

I don't think there is a way to gamble for long term without even losing a single satoshi upon gambling with it. That is not gambling if you are not going to lose.

And there is no certain strategy for it, will depend on how you are going to gamble probably just gamble what you afford to lose and always bet small amount.


Almost all sites you can gamble depending on your capacity and specialty. But remember there is no way for a gambler to win for a long term without losing.

My strategy was 75% winning percentage,if lose multiply 313%
stop every 100 rolls give break for 5 or 10 minutes continue again
base bet 500 satoshi
the first time i tried lose in 3 test, the second time I tried lose in 10 or 11 times

conclusion: martingale only good for short time, in long time you will be doomed

Just wandering how much balance do you start with? Because there is only luck that apply when it comes to dice games. More over if you are playing 100x, i am sure this has really huge risk that you can't play on small balance because the chance to lose more of your money will sure higher. The time that you take for rolling is not really worth though. 6-8 hours rolling and you can't guarantee any profit too

Well it works for him and i could say that multiplier is insane but it can be still handle depending on the size of your bankroll and seeing the percentage of basebet then i could say that this would be profitable if your lucky enough but expect long long lossing streaks since the multiplier is too high to consider.

There are strategy that work for a many hours but it will not guarantee you that you will not loss. I tried a lot of strategy before and for me the best strategy so far is bet high at 90% chance, basebet 100 sats if loss change bet high to bet low, change chance to 19% then basebet is 60, multiply loss 1.2555. If your balance can cover 60 losses in a row then you'll survive for a long time. I used this strategy with alt coins. exchange your Bitcoin to alt coins so you can try this strategy.

the fact Dice Games too long playing will be lost. There is no strategy for it. even if you use a martingale strategy and play with the base bet 1 satoshi with bankroll 0.1BTC. It will certainly be lost if too long playing.

Basebets would depend on your bankroll. For example 100k Dogecoin Base bet: 0.16 Multiplier: 3.4982x Chance: 28.30%   on loss: 45% All methods have same and but it worked for me 9-10hrs but dice is only luck I can't give 100% it will work for your good luck

If u have time there is a strategy;

Start with 100. Bet it and assume lost. Increase 2x. Now bet with 200 and lost. Increase 2x. Bet with 400 and lost. Increase 2x. Bet with 800 and lost. Ok dont give up. Increase 2x. Bet with 1600 and finally WON! ur lost 1500. Ur profit 100. Ur profit will always 100 with this tactic. Or u can start with 1000. But u must accept to 7 lost risk.

7 risk means for starting with 100 bet;

100
200
400
800
1600
3200
6400
Total= 12700

Next bet will be 12800 and ur profit will be 100. If u will try it with 1000 add one zero to table...

Wish u good luck...
 

If you are planning to roll with a bankroll of 2800 satoshi then it will be a safe bet as you wont be losing much  :D

if you are planning to have the longest run without any loss 1.0102x is the way to go as you will be having a good chance of making some coins if you are planning to roll for years non stop :D To tell you the truth there is no strategy that will make you win all of the time.You have to find your winning combinations and it all depends upon your luck.

- I use 0.03 as my starting balance and my basebet will be around 100 satoshi.
- Yes, I agree with you. In gambling luck is above everything.
Even we use higher balance if we arent lucky, we can lose it all. But, don't forget, if luck with us, we can play longer or even got some profit with small balance. Once again, luck is above everything and no one knows when our luck will come.
- Sure the chance to lose our small balance is higher than if we use the higher one.
- I use this method not so often. When I got bored to stay longer in front of my screen only.

Luck for me is just a word that refer to the end result of an action. So, no one knows until we tried it.
*sorry for my bad English!

This is called martingale strategy and most of us already knew about this scary strategy ;)
As you know from your explanation, we will risk too much money just only for winning small amount, is that worth?
Do you know how many ussually red streaks on this win chance?

lol it was the most scared strategy ever created in gambling world.

you should not ever dare to try that method , it will always about risking a lot of money to earn small profit only. in the end you will regret it and of course did not work no matter how much large your bankroll.

It will work for a while, the problem is because we only earned a little winnings we will try to keep using this strategy ending up to experience unacceptable losing streak then thinking that the house is cheating or blaming yourself why you didnt stop when you still have the time and already have some profits common scenario of a gambler who use martingale.

the point is nothing you can do with any strategy to have a long term winning.

martingale is just another worst fantasy strategy , it is just an illusion in your brain. nothing strategy but luck much more needed in this case to win the bet in long term . unfortunately few people only aware about this.

Nice explanation, yup those who played Dice game they must know this martingale strategy. But for newbies, your post will help them how the martingale strategy will work. And this method is good for someone and worst for many people. We can not play this method with a small bankroll. You need an enormous capital to follow this method. 

What they read in the internet about martingale method is only the positive side, so they think it's very effective and they are excited to try it. I was like that when was new also and only when I experience a cold losing streak where I realize it will not work in the long run.

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This is just a simple martingale method which you would multiply your bet when you lose your current bet which is the most common thing that most gamblers do especially on playing dice but assuming 7x is useless because i think this is just a new born lose streak.What if you will suffer 20+ lossing streaks then you will burned out your bankroll thats why placing base bets would depend on your bank roll.Do the math.

It will take time to figure out, but i think, luck will stop the strategy tho.

There's a strategy i use in almost 1 year ago

x1.8 or x1.9
51.x% win rate
Increase by 220% when lose.
Switch(Big/Small) when Lose

It is able to run for almost 2-3 days and it crashed.

The next moment i run, when i just woke up, lost 14- 15 streak at 51%

Pretty much impossible for a dice game for you not to have single loss. Even if you do all the best strategy in the dice game right now and put the percentage to the highest as possible(98-99) and the longer you play the higher chance of getting that loss

99% wont guarantee us and you are right it would be busted in longer runs even in the smallest odd you set chances are always there. 1 lose and you will definitely chase up that amount.Long winning streaks would be still useless on just a single lose for sure.I dont try this kind of method because its too risky for me.

That is why most of the pro gamblers instead of thinking on how can they not give a loss they would cover up that one and actually that is not bad because if we are going to think clearly that is the only way we could earn the profit. The problem here is that not all is capable of doing this kind of decision making gamblers would just think that it could easily be done. However this leads them to a much more worse situation

Nothing new with any martingale modification strategy everyone would know that it's useles won't work. The only thing can change the outcome are your own luck , since there is no way ton find out when and where is your luck would come to you , so just make a random bet in dice , don't get yourself in complicated things.

Indeed we can't control the outcome or the result when we play dice games it's just based on your luck. Even if you have method or strategy it's not guaranteed for us to win in the game. it's all pure luck.

Yes, people are just wasting their time and energy in finding out new dice gambling strategies.
Only by time and after facing so many losses with their every new strategy, they will come to know about how smart their house edge would be.

If luck is the only deciding factor for profit making in gambling, then I just wonder how gambling houses is always so lucky.

This is an old story this is always happening someone are always asking about methods and strategy but the same result nand until now many people are still studying the program of dice game and how they can defeat them. until now they are just repeating the question but they are still not realize that dice game is one of the hardest game to make profit much better to go in sports betting..

Martingale is not working! On 98% win chance you will lose everything in one hour. I try that, couple reds will kill any bankroll and its happen. There is not long term strategy for winning in dice, I think you will have more chances if you change it after every few hours if its possible. Try one thing, there is no guarantee that any strategy will work but with changing them I think you have more chances to last longer. Anyway 0.1 is a lot, and I think if you don`t try something you will never know! Good luck my friend!

I would agree, if you used the martiangle then try to set the percentage to its lowest value in that terms you could get the highest return in your bets in dice game. However if you value that higher percentage of winning then still continue using the 98% but never increase your base bets unless you want to settle on that bet

I guess we need to set the percentage for increasing the base bet should be set depending on the size of our bankroll. If we able to withstand some longer streaks of losses then we can set 200% also, but for that we may need 10 btc bankroll too.

There are many versions on martingale strategies are available, but none of them working for me too. But theoretically they are very strong strategies, no doubt in that.

You lose on 98% with martingale? If you were put 100x or 10000% increase after your bet lose, you should be fine (if you are brave enough to put that % on lose), or if you were playing on 2% win chance, you could win huge amount in an hour. No matter on what chance you playing, as long as you keep using martingale in dice game, you will lose. The only how to profited from martingale only stopped as soon as possible when you are get some profit.

I agree because using martingale and become greedy will only results losing your money theres nothing new with this strategy it will allow you to win a little but will also trick you and if you wont able to control yourself for sure you will be busted and lose everything.

long win without lose i think its difficult but if you want you can make bet with high chances win
but its not sure you can always win and if you busted you will lose bigger than your win
use martingale if you win some streak then withdraw it, or use low win chances with small bet if you get lucky grab big profits

At this point I feel like there should be sticked thread in the gambling section explaining basic, and at the same time the most commonly used dice strategies.
There is no dice strategy which will guarantee your profit. If that was the case then we would roll dice all day, and no one will be working! (Why work when you can win money, duh!)

I doubt that many people will read this. But here is amazing presentation and detailed explanation (all based on experiments) of martingale strategy.
You will learn that this system is flawed by design: http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/betting-systems/ (http://wizardofodds.com/gambling/betting-systems/)

Winning streak with no loss or even with few loss is nearly impossible imo. Simply because it is gambling. No matter what site or strategy you are using, it wont give you a win with no loss. You must be extremely lucky if that case happen.

Well, i tried in this site where i did first heard of the word "martingle" being said by my friends because it is really an interesting strategy. I did this martingle strategy in a site where they gave me a free satoshi of 200. I started rolling and did some wins, then i tried to decrease the winning chance to 20% which gave me more prize, almost 3x of my bet, so i did rolling 3x before i increase my bet. At the first hours it was great, the truth i reach my bitcoin from 0.00000200 to 0.00092645, it was a good one, i was closing to their limit of withdrawing when i lost all of them.

there is no winning strategy for long term running dice game, at the end you ll lose all your money, if you want to get some profits it is importnat that you can control yourself even if you are winning and think that you can win more, that thought will lead you to bankruptcy, so no matter what strategy you use, you must know when to stop, thats your best strategy

There is one proven martingale strategy but that will work only with infinite bankroll.  I guess it has been discussed here many times, still gamblers are not realizing and keep on trying with different modified martingale strategies. There will be no differences in my dicing whether I go random strategy or no strategy.

By probability theory you will have chances for being lucky at 50% of times. It means no loss or no gain for every gambler. But that is not happening to any one.

Actually, there are some secret ways to win the dice game. However, the methods belong to experts and it seems like they do not want to show us about those "Top Secret" techniques. If you have some money, you buy those methods and use them in the dice games. I love Dice but it is very hard to beat it.

There is no strategy in dice gambling, there is speculation only. I've been more than a year of gambling dice with bitcoin, when all said this and that, believe me it is not guaranteed to win. The most important thing is gambling when the mind is happy so we can concentrate.

I dont think soo that there are special techniques or methods on playing dice games which could able to make someone to be profitable and the only thing i know is that you should have big bankroll in order to do that.There are lots of methods which are show in public but one of them doesnt even work on longer runs which is really the reality on playing dice.All are just random.

1.0102 is worst multiplier in dice and it is only good if you want to chaise jackpots. House edge will catch you in the and, yesterday i played with 101 satoshi bet, chasing jackpot in fortunejack, wagered something around 0.07 - lost something around 0.0007  ;)

Accept 7 loses? How did you calculated this? What if you lose 8 in row? Or 15? Or 25? Than your total won't be 12700, it will be your bankroll. Is it worth to risk your bankroll for 100 satoshi? I don't think so.

7 losses on playing dice is nothing because most of dice players or gamblers suffer or even experience even more.I agree on what you have said your bankroll would be really at risk even if you are just betting on 100 satoshi since you are using martingale then expect for long losing streaks.

lol of course the house edge have been set to always in profit unless there is unexpected huge jackpot winning have to be paid , but still they can recover it faster as long as they have a lot of loyal player . really wasting time to figure out a working strategy in dice , it's clearly doen't exist, you can't expect anything.

I bet that you will never find any "working strategy" that would give you continuous profits over long time with least losses in a dice game. Come on mate, those sites are not there to just throw away and distribute their coins amongst the users, but obviously want your hard-earned coins. Never expect that you will win the longest against their "cutting-edge" house-edge strategy, even if it's the lowest.

True, no matter how many calculation or trials in making strategy it may not work,it will work for 3-5 times but never for too long. I'm just doing whatever strategy while playing based on the rolls and bets. There were times that its our fortune that dictates us to win even we did only one strategy but every day and game is always a different story.

- Depending on your luck, no strategy for dice game
- I saw many people using the strategy, but all strategies is vain
- Do not think strategically when you play a game depend too much on luck

i think it is better no not use strategy and only make small bets if you do not want to loss much of bitcoin. dice game is like another gambling games that need luck to win, without having luck, then its not possible to stay any longer. you can try with many dice game sites and the result will remain the same, you need luck to win.

Yes you can play any sites the dice game is same, it always favours to house edge, and if you have luck, you will make a profit. But if you have enough money to play you can use martingale method and restrict your loss. It will help you to gain back your loss. The condition is your bankroll will never become empty then only it is possible. I think this method only works for small amount players.

I would really do the same thing too on which i do play dice on random basis without any using strategy since theres no strategy wont work on dice for longer runs.
Dice game do really fully rely on luck the same also on slot games thats why theres no strategy would fit to be profitable unless if you are very lucky.

I think there is no way you can keep on going trough winning a long streak when you play using a strategy. In the end you'll just lose all your money using a strategy. There is really no point, just gamble it the random way and bet on chance. Statistically, there is no strategy that will win in gambling it has been proven again and again.

looks like the random strategy has a lot of fans :)
i did that for a while too, but now i like to mix different strategies rather than just sticking to one of them forever, that way i am keeping the game always interesting and exciting enough for myself while testing out different strategies all the time.

Many games are here where we need strategy, but this thread belong to dice game, and i don't think that any strategy could work in it. Because it is automatically play game. If you close your eyes and play dice than definitely you could play it. I mean we don't need to use any strategy in dice game Except luck.       

I think you can't do it playing and don't interupt lost ? maybe if you can change the script of the website but for me theres no strategy on this but in bustabit try to place an bet of 1,000 bits and then withdraw don't wait it to bust you can make profit there.