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You can read daily how bettors and players are getting scammed by shady online casinos and sportsbook operators!

Do you think it is better to bet and play with collection service inclusive?

So that the costs of the enforcement proceeding are covered and victims do not have to spend money from its pockets?

Because our experience has shown that 99% of the victims are not wiling to spend anything after being scammed!

Are you willing to pay lawyer and court fees from your pocket, to enforce your money?

I am not sure about it as i am small time gambler.It might be helpful for whales who spend a fortune gambling.

It all depends upon the amount of money lost.As you would not spend a huge amount to get pennies back  ;D

Most of the sites i play would reply if i start a support ticket and would rectify the issue as soon as possible.

It is definetely helpful for whales, but also for small bettors. Everyone can hit a huge progressive or bad beat jackpot with small bets.

Jasonort at betcoin.ag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517648.0) i.e., he was no whale but crystal clear won a huge progressive jackpot worth 500 Bitcoins (some say 1000 Bitcoins). He could enforce his win, but is not willing to spend any money. With a legal expenses insurance, he could cost free initiate legal action and enforce the Bitcoins owed.


Absolute correct. How much % of the money owed would you be willing to spend to enforce your rights?


Unfortunately, there were a lot of sites who answered support tickets, but with false and misleading promises. Hence, support answer requests does not necessarily mean rectify the issue. :(

Do you have any insurances and why do you have them?

How much money do you spend monthly for insurances?

In the first place. I consider most of the gambling sites illegal in my place especially right now. My main point of doing so sometimes is to experience the game and the site themselves so that i can provide any reviews. Tho this things a very far from hiring some ensurance of lawyers to feel safe because i my self dont gamble that much

Even if you do not gamble much, you could be lucky and win a larger amount? And if the insurance is even cost free, why would you care?

Gambling might be illegal in your jurisdiction, but the legal action would be in the jurisdiction of the gaming provider.

Legal Expense insurance ? Why do you think an insurance company would cover such kinds of things, specially when gambling website owners don't usually run a licensed casino and can just claim to have been hacked ?

Lol. Then how can you protect your members in the first place if you yourself doesnt have an idea to the owner of the gambling site he was playing? Isnt it crazy to have an insurance service in which you couldnt get something? Are you willing to pay your user when they lose in gambling?

 I think it is a great idea but it would be logical to enforce these into regular companies first. If it Works than we can check out for bitcoin casinos too. Bitcoin casinos already have an advantage on trust thanks to seeds but places like pokerstar or similar have a lot of trust issues that people believe they take their Money. So it would be wise to start with them first and than come to bitcoin afterwards.

Because it is the function of an insurance to collect small amounts from a large number of members, to pay the large costs of legal proceeding for a small number of victims.

Game Protect makes it even possible to qualify cost free for an online gaming consumer protection service.


1) In the Bitcoin only world a lot of operators are not licensed, but in general, most operators are licensed and their identity is known. In all 3 currently pending Game Protect cases the owner/operator is known:

Full Flush Poker 70:30 litigation in process, join + claim your money! (https://game-protect.com/full-flush-poker-litigation/)

Win Cake Poker + Juicy Stakes (https://game-protect.com/win-cake-poker/)

2) Even if an operator is not licensed and or his identity is not publicly recorded, there is still the possibility to find traces and hold the responsibles liable.

The betcoin.ag scam i.e. is a hide the operator site, but I know the responsible parties to sue. :)

Based on my experience and knowledge, in most cases the problem is that victims are not willing to spend larger amounts to enforce their money and not because the identity of the responsible parties to sue is not known.

i Think if bitcoin gambling site is nothing is open service insurance
because bitcoin gambling site anonymous, and player bitcoin gambling still prefered and like this use anonymous

Who said I myself have no idea to the owner of the gambling site he was playing?

An insurance service in which you couldn't get something would be indeed crazy, but this is obviously not the case.

No, no insurance in this world is willing to pay legitimate gambling losses. But if players lost because of a rigged software, yes, then legal proceedings would be covered by the insurance.

That's a bit strange to spend on an insurance for gambling IMHO xD

Especially on the case of betcoin.ag you're giving. If one wins 1000btc I'd say you could spend a few thousands dollars in legal fees if your cause is legitimate...
It doesn't matter what "insurance" you have. If you win a big jackpot it will always be worth the legal expenses no?

Absolutely correct!

But in most cases the winners simply have not the money on hand to pay the over $10,000 investigation (if required) and legal expenses costs!

This is the problem:

- Jasonort won a 500 Bitcoins jackpot and is not willing or able to spend the investigation and legal expenses.

- The Full Flush Poker Litigation 70:30 (https://game-protect.com/full-flush-poker-litigation/) victims are basically not willing to spend only 1,5% of the possible amount to receive, to start the court case, while this is an instant call from a mathematically point of few: Only 1,5% to spend, while the chance to win the court case and get the money owed is at least around 25%.

And this problem is solved with Qualify free (https://game-protect.com/qualify-free/), because in such cases Game Protect simply pays the litigation costs, with the chance to receive what is owed.

An insurance is important, because instead of a small number of victims have to contribute a huge amount, a huge number of insured contribute a low amount and make the proceeding instantly possible.

In addition, a cost free or low contribution insurance makes it also possible and worth to enforce lower amounts owed. There is a reason why insurances are so popular. :)

Can you please translate this to readable English?


Why is Bitcoin gambling site anonymous? There are a lot of known operators who offer Bitcoin as a deposit and withdrawal option.

Did you make a poll? How many % of the Bitcoin users like to use this anonymous? If players still prefered anonymous, there would be not such a huge request to introduce Bitcoin for not anonymous sites. A few % want to stay anonymous, but this is no problem, as there are still some anonymous stay sites available.

If you are owed $10,000 by a gambling company, how much % of the amount owed would you be willing to spend to enforce your claim?

Nothing because the fees you would pay for a lawyer are probably going to outweigh the money to be returned. 100% this case will be dragged for years in a court of law. Better to just brush it off and move on with your life.

In the pending Full Flush Poker Litigation 70:30 (https://game-protect.com/full-flush-poker-litigation/) case, the percentage is 1,5% of the possible amount to receive, to bring this case to the court.

Based on what will this case be tragged for years in a court of law?

You can join a court case and move on with your life. There is no contradiction, especially if it is cost free or low cost. :) Or did I miss something?

Considering all the issues every day, is it time to play with cost free consumer protection service?

We need to analyze the legal fees, if it can't cover my losses from the casino which is a scam, I would not spend money on this, people always get scammed, it is the necessary lesson.

O.k., here are some numbers for you to analyse: Pending Full Flush Poker Litigation 70:30 (https://game-protect.com/full-flush-poker-litigation/) no cure no pay case, to start a court case:


Invest 1 to 1,5% of the possible amount to receive, while the chance to win the court case and receive money is at least around 25%: Does this sound good?

Would you do this?

Do you have interest for a cost free online gaming consumer protection service to enforce your rights and money owed?

If not, why not?

If you do not care about your money at gaming and betting sites, why do you complain in forums then, if something happened? Does this make any sense?

Is there anywhere someone who protect our consumer rights cost free or would it cost some money?

There are a lot of reported damages in the Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) thread recently!

Does anyone have any idea why no one of the victims have interest for a cost free consumer protection service that could lead to get their account balances processed, instead of losing 10s of Bitcoins?

Why victims are willing to lose $100s, 1000s or even 10000s to criminals, but are not willing contribute anything or even cost free to enforce their claims?

Is this the Stockholm syndrom?

While it is meanwhile possible to play with consumer protection service inclusive, who of you still register directly at casinos or sportsbooks and are a single fighter if an issue will occure?

Crypto gambling sites with cost free consumer protection service (https://game-protect.com/crypto-gambling/)

What is the legitimacy of this product you're offering? How in the world do you think you'll enforce it? Why would a casino ever agree to take this contract and what is your fees. Even if you do know law I find it difficult that you can get any settlement, but out of curiosity how many people have signed up, how many have actually got any refunds and can they testify here?

The civil and criminal laws of countries make it legitimate to enforce claims through legal action like court or police.


Start court cases that can lead to an enforceable court judge. File criminal complaints at the police.


Agree to what contract? Game Protect simply register as an affiliate.

If you register your gambling accounts with any Qualify free (https://game-protect.com/qualify-free/) casino, consumer protection service is cost free inclusive.


Why is it difficult to demand the enforcement of publicly stated laws?

Approximately hundreds of players already signed up with qualify free casinos, but only a few percentage of these sign ups finally deposit and start playing.

So far we have not any reported issue from players who signed up with our qualify free selection.

It meanwhile came to my attention that many players like to play at publicly proven scams and have no interest to play with consumer protection service inclusive to enforce money owed. The only thing I did not understand so far is why they afterwards complain in the forums that they were scammed?

Experience has shown that over 99% of the players and bettors do not care to drive cars without insurance!

Why?

Game Protect is a good service, and definitely helped with many cases.

Can I ask if GP can help to protect against websites without licenses such as Bookmaker.eu which is based in Costa Rica? Or any other shady sites that have no license and simply rely on their reputation to lure customers in?

Even if you register your gambling or betting accounts with Game Protect (https://game-protect.com/), we can not protect you from being getting scammed, because you send your coins or money to third party wallets we do not have access.

What we can and what we do is,

- Dispute resolution between you and the operators for your Game Protect qualified gaming accounts
    
- Lawyer and civil court proceeding, in case you have a valid claim and we can not reach a resolution
    
- Private investigations if operators commit offenses like embezzlement, scam and money laundering

after being scammed.

So far Game Protect does not have any experience or knowledge in regard to enforcing claims at a Costa Rica court.


If a claim is enforceable after being scammed depends on the background of the casino. Experience has shown that in most cases claims are enforceable and defense mainly relies on the brain wash propaganda spread on the forums.

Here is a good example:


So this clown knows that the victim will need plenty of luck to enforce his claim and of course should not he spend any money! :D

If you want to drive a car and have the choice between doing it with a cost free insurance or without an insurance, what will you select and why?

No one cares about online gaming consumer protection service?

If players do not care, why do they complain on the forums after being scammed?

Are only gamblers here and no one is driving cars?

Any thing free is not as always free as we think but we should be able to investigate really online gaming service and gambling sites or betting sites before putting in money.  Many gambling and online game players has lose money because of this and fake and scamming sites are coming up daily.

In this case it is free, because it cost you nothing to register your gambling accounts with Game Protect instead of register directly at casinos.

You are right, scamming sites are coming up daily because most players even do not care to put "casino name + scam" into google. But even if a site did not scam until today does not mean it will not scam tomorrow.

So best thing is always to play with consumer protection service instead without!

I wait for the day when I will understand why most players do not care to where they send their money, but after being scammed cry in the forums.

I mean if they did not care?

After being scammed by an online casino and having the choice between ask gamblers or consumer protection service, who will you ask and why?

This question is definitely worth to make a study!

People are warned to not drive certain cars, yet they continue driving these cars!

People have the option to drive cars with insurance, yet they continue driving cars without!

After accident happened, they cry on forums and beggar for free help!

Where did players learn this logic? In school?

Our experience has shown that the logic of most players is as follows:

1) Intentionally drive cars without insurance

2) After accident happened, cry and expect from not related third parties that they will pay the damage

3) Continue driving cars without insurance!

I think is hard to implement their appeal specailly crypto online gambling  games supposedly in my own knowledge even paying taxes in the government there nothing law about this so consumer protection is take long time to implement that. But for sure all legit and repurable gambling site are give protection to their consumer because they need to stay their popularity as fair gambling site.

Almost no one cares to play with consumer protection service inclusive and almost no one cares whether or not the casino is reputable.

The selection of the casino appear to be a part of the gamble! :D

Hello bettors and players,

What do you think about betting and playing with consumer protection service inclusive?

Of course, this is why if one wishes to join and bet online should not only check the reviews of the online platform for some of it are just fraud and if ever you have taken the bait and transfer your funds in their platform and later on realizes that your funds was already stolen. As what you have states this most likely happen to an online betting platform.

Then you must know what are the online platform that are running until now and has proven already its worth. If one wants then you can check the site below in my signature. 777coin online casino betting has been operting long time already and it has consumer protection from its users especially in its deposits.

Consumer protection from its users?

How does this work?

Between driving a car with an insurance from a company that will do nothing when I need them and driving a car without insurance, I prefer to drive without insurance and keep my money.
If I want to waste my money, there are shreders, I can drop them there and have the same effect as paying you to "insure" me.

The insurance is cost free! :D

If you take a look at the Scam Accusations (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0) you will see that players and bettors continue to register directly at online casinos and sportsbooks and get scammed! :D

They do this even though Game Protect offers to play with consumer protection service inclusive! :)

I took a look at those scam accusations you asked for and scam accusation of you came first (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183189.0). How convenient. Please take a look at that first people.

Do you love to drive cars without insurance or do you prefer to drive cars with insurance?