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People hate ZEC because of the dev fee that is only 20% over multiple devs, and is only limited to a certain number of blocks. This is small compared to the massive premines seen on many other coins still up and running. ZCL is a copy of ZEC without dev fees

Why should I expect ZCL to be worth more than ZEC in the end? Is there any key differences in the direction of the development between these 2 coins?

None is best by the technology, since last time I took a look at ZCash (ZEC), it was broken, but this may have been fixed since then. So ZCash is overpriced, and ZCash Classic (ZCL) is about what ZEC should be, but like for all little altcoins, price is virtually inflated by a few people. For the difference in development : ZEC creates the innovations and ZCL copies them.

iam prefered use zcl (zcash classic) same youre reason
because zcash every miner fee charge 20% to dev, so is bad system, is bad price in market

Both coins are far from ideal. Zcash with with its early distribution system is a joke.
With their slow start and mining tax devs wanted to do something to favor investors and prevent advantage of early adopters at the same time.
But they failed to realize it will make Zcash less interesting for everyone else. And ZCL is just a copy and like all clone coins it might go down very quickly.

Do not forget that Ethereum Classic was a copycat too, and look at its success now.

Good classical versions do have capability to be successful.

ZCL will eventually be added to Poloniex and it'd be the first big success of it.

Success? What success you are talking about - Current price of Ethereum: $10.5, price of Ethereum Classic $1.31
So if price 10x less that original is a success for you then yes, I suppose Zcash Classic can repeat this as well.

This is simple ZEC is the original chain, ZCL is a clone, some people try to compare this to ETC but it is completely different because ETC was the first and the original Ethereum chain before the fork. I know they must have approach Poloniex to list ZCL but Poloniex know there is no solid developing team behind the project, just to copy and paste whatever update in ZEC into ZCL chain unlike ETC that has its own developing team and has created a new path completely independent of Ethereum foundation

Or you mean that people will take up any old crap and run with it!

People won't let a hard fork really succeed nowadays, the whole classic thing was interesting with ETH/ETC as it was original, but now it is just people trying to make money out of it.

I hope Poloniex don't add ZCL, they are encouraging the new phenomena.

Prices and values do not determine the success and failure of an altcoin. They can vary time to time. Look at its volume in last 24 hours, it is among the top ten. This is its one of initial successes. With all its potential, it can cross much bigger values in upcoming years.

Reason making classics are good, IMO. ZCash has the 20% founder's fee, which is way too much. Very clear that its nothing but a scam. The value of ZEC is going downhill since its start, which clearly shows that the founder is not willing to invest even a single percent of that huge percentage. A classic version is a must in conditions like this one.

I am with Hazir

Being in the top 10 doesn't really mean it is a success to me at least. All these dapps are being done on ETH and not ETC and the real utility behind Ethereum is the dapps anyway. I don't think Microsoft cares about the cryptocurrency fork ethics of ETH and ETC, they both do the same thing in the end and all the work is already on ETH

The price is only going down because it is the most profitable one to mine for the most part. The real thing I need help understanding is how was the price so blown up when it first opened?

Many people speak without knowing .. nothing that compare Zcash / zclassic to Eth / ETC is a joke and a nonsense! Compare chickens and cows!

If you want to compare, make it between litecoin / fairbrix and Zcash / Zclassic ...

It lacks much reflection on bitcointalk!

And when Zclassic will release a wallet windows GUI before Zcash, we will see who innovates and who copies ...

I'm one of the Zclassic devs and I just wanted to say that the difference between Zclassic and Zcash is pretty major.

In many areas Zclassic has been leading the way in terms of usability and implementation... We funded work for the first Windows wallet and we also released the first open-source mining pool software. There's much more to come on the roadmap too.

Oh! one of the Devs of Zclassic coin which he already stated the thing that differ it from ZEC. Actually i didnt tend to invest money on both coins but seeing on the status of these 2 alts i could say they are just both the same.One is just a super hype coin and the other one is just a copy coin.No hurt feelings but this is just my own view and opinion.

Nevertheless, just look at the possibilities.  ZCash promises a lot: transparency and private in one blockchain. Like said before, Zcash is hated because of the 20% founders fee. Now, what if ZClassic can offer all of this, EXCEPT the founders fee?

Too me it just a big mistake if you don't buy some at this price - mining is becoming more and more difficult the last weeks.

Good luck  :)

to be honest i don't know much about ZCL, but i have been watching ZEC for some time and i have to say not much is interesting in this coin, and the only thing that will ever be interesting about it, is (or was) the price which was a very big number once and it fell to the ground real hard.

ZCL is actually older than zcash so zcash copyed it, also the protocol from my understanding is better than zcash which rely on a centralization, i think zcoin will be a better coin when they will get rid of the botnet with the new algorith

If you want to compare ZEC/ZCL compared it with BYTECOIN and MONERO

One is a scam the second a fork and see which one wins now ?

It is no different with Ethereum and ethereum classic, IMO the ideas to make ZCL has been born from the ETC. I guess it is the best chance to make the other fork and try to grab some money. dev has done it.
Other classic thing will appear soon.  :D

Interesting comparison but I think a 20% dev mining tax for 4 years (ZEC) is different than a 80% premine (BCN)

I prefer ZCL over ZEC and of course love XMR and dislike BCN

After the test of the windows wallet on my computer, I confirm that this works very well !!! Congratulations to the team and fxminer for the beautiful work !!

Zclassic: First wallet "windows" functional zero knowledge technology!

https://i.imgsafe.org/07b91b54eb.png

It's good that devs don't keep sucking out money from the money supply, they should search for alternative funding methods, but ultimately it's just the same coin.

What we need is ZEC privacy without the big disadvantage of having to trust devs into deleting the masterkey which is ridiculous.

big up to Devs! Windows wallet out on Zclassic =]

Both still have their demands until no one aren't feeling interested for trade them again and those people will leave both zec and zcl. 

how about zec vs z classic?

Interesting. Do you guys have plans to direct the development of ZCL in a different direction than what ZCash plans in any way? This is very interesting because I wonder in what ways these two coins could grow. Could we see one coin get features like lightning network (which BTC will probably never do) making it compete with Dash quick pay, could it manage private sending to the same anonymity level that XMR acclaims (I do not know how the security works and if or if not Z is as anonymous)

Also what about branding? In the long run assuming ZCash were to die, would you keep the ZClassic name? I find these forks with classic in the name is just going to bring confusion to new people if it gets wide adoption. A later quote here is ironic


ZCL is older than ZEC? I have noticed that the ZCL chain is longer or has more circulation at the moment but how did this happen? How did ZCL come before ZEC, did it have another name but the ZEC people copied it and than ZCL just copied back?

 


I thought XMR was an original startup on the CryptoNight code that came out as a superior coin to BCN, and of course that BCN is a major premine scam. I never knew it was a fork. I would also beg to say that making its own name instead of something like Bytecoin Classic or Bytecoin something was the best long term idea for branding

ZCL is what ZEC should have been.

In terms of block size and & speed + anonymity features, ZEC is a Rolls-Royce.

It was just flawed by the greedy early investors in the coin / company which has imposed a 20% tax on every mined blocked.
Also, I don't like the idea that a corporation is behind a coin. Is there any company behind bitcoin ? No, and I think the market will disapprove it over the long term.

ZCL is a greatly designed coin (no tax, no company). However, it still lacks awareness in the market. This said, it was only launched 3 months ago...

Zclassic at 1/50th price of ZEC is a no brainer!!!!!! Soon enough it will be 1/10th and more?

zec vs zcl is zec vs zclassic, zcl = z classic, the only difference is that the original zec has found given tot he developers and after 4 years those funds will be terminated the the full block reward on 12 zcash per block will be fully given to miners, zclassic instead has this thing from the launch

The zerocoin implementation bug has wrongly impacted ZEC and ZCL.
Price is down and makes them even more attractive !  ;D