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Real News and i am stunned *sort of  :D
I warned you all in this section lots if he got elected there would be problems..

He is also in the news right now after being stood up on a meeting with the Mexican president.
He said on Twitter the day before the meeting.. there is no point in meeting unless Mexico pays to build a border wall.
..the guy cancelled the meeting after hearing that.

Drumpf = Hitler <-- both had a similar campaign to seize power.

I don't have any real beef with the guy, i just think it was inappropriate for him to be put in charge.
And no that does not automatically mean i was a Hillary supporter.
I also had no real problem with Obama either.
I don't care about political labels.. i care about who is doing a good job.

So.. do you all think his immigration executive decision was good ?
I think it was stupid behavior.. with more to come of course  ::)

Immigrants are not the same as refugees.

The refugee program (along with most other government programs) should be suspended until the US national debt is paid in full. Should that happen, we can discuss the merits of spending taxpayer money on resettling refugees from other countries.

Perhaps not the most popular thing to do, but I don't think it is wrong for a country to decide such things. It's not something I would support, nor do I think his justification is correct, as I think the numbers show that terrorists don't look to enter as refugees, they either enter illegally or are home-grown, radicalised in country.

Nevertheless, his policies have been clear from the start, and this is only keeping in line with them.

"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." - John F. Kennedy, US President

He's posturing, appeasing his rogue supporters. The alternative facts he uses to support his decision are false. He claims that majority of refugees from Syria admitted to the US recently have been Muslim and not Christian...this simply isn't true. And the existing level of scrutiny that refugees go through before admission is incredibly high and a 12+ month process.

Refuting Trump's "facts": http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/05/u-s-admits-record-number-of-muslim-refugees-in-2016/ (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/05/u-s-admits-record-number-of-muslim-refugees-in-2016/)

Refugee Immigration Screening: https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states (https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2015/11/20/infographic-screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states)

Trump's administration further supports the need to mis-trust the government, which is ironic because it's the people that mis-trust the government the most that elected him to office.

All of this coming from the party that just recently accused Obama of violating the law and over stepping his power with Executive Orders. All of Trump's work thus far has been through Executive Order!

Individuals should be allowed to accept refugees at their own expense and responsibility. The sponsor pays the entire cost of resettlement along with upkeep costs, and if the refugees are found guilty of any wrongdoings, their sponsor is also guilty of the same wrongdoings, until the time that the refugee is able to pay their own way and become a productive member of society through normal immigration procedures.

Trump has his plans for the government of the United States and as part of his plans it is really necessary implement regulations  on the border. If it  is for the good of the country then trump has its own reasons. Border issues has been a long problem between USA and Mexico since many  Mexicans are entering the US boundery as illegal immigrants.

Well saying there is a problem with Mexico is undeniable.
But that does not mean the only solution is to make Mexico pay for a wall.
There could be other solutions to the problem.

And immigrants and refugee's are not the same thing.

Immigrants are what made your country Americans.
And guess what the word American means ?
Anyone in North America the continent.. the USA and Canada and Mexico.. we are all "Americans"

The statue of liberty is crying one guy said.
The immigrants are what fuel a country.
The vetting procedure is another matter.
Trump closed the border between all the major MUSLIM country's.
Iraq, Syria etc.

It's funny that the USA revolves around a dependence on foreigners yet Trump wants to slam the door closed.

Political bobble heads for example are made for US presidents.. in China.
If they are made in the USA they cost a $100 each.  :D (seen a show on that on TV)
What happens when you force everything to be made in house ?
Forcing Apple to make the iPhones in the USA ?

What happens when your entire country has illegal's doing the lesser quality jobs ?
And they are cut off ?

Hillary pointed out publicly before that Trump's plan to round up illegals and boot them out is a fantasy.
The actual cost & logistics of it is silly.. it really couldn't be done with out bankrupting the country basically.
And that would be just like Hitler like i said earlier huh ?
Funny how history repeats huh ?
Germans gets fooled and elects a NAZI dictator then years later the USA does.  :o

Immigrants are NEEDED for a country to function.
The vetting process is what it is all about.

Spreading Muslim fear is not going to do any good either.

Myself as a white guy from Canada with older Dutch heritage recognize i came from another place long ago.
Canada is a multi-cultural melting pot of cultures that come together as one unit.
The only complaints i have with users coming here is when they simply want to set up segregated little sections of our country to mimic their own old home country.. AKA: China town.

I say they are welcome to join us but they need to integrate into our society in a reasonable way.
And yes we WILL accommodate them also !
We let East Indians wear a turban in the official RCMP Police uniform for example.
We make concessions for them.. we compromise.. we are ALL Canadian !

I think Trumps decisions are horrendous and do far more harm then good.. and he is just getting started !

Americans i am concerned for you guys  :-\

I won't blame Donald trump on some of his  policies especially on immigration, if you want to enter into another man;s country you must apply for visa,if you allowed immigrants any how it might spell Dom for such a country especially terrorism

Right, you have to blame those who came before him and blatantly disregarded existing law.

The problem is that not every immigrant knows someone in America. How will he find sponsors? In addition, immigration policy should be aimed at the development are not popular jobs. Besides, due to this you can reduce the cost of very high standing projects.

This is actually a great idea, Europe should learn from it and establish such laws. At the moment, the politicians are living in their villas, surrounded by 3m fences and concrete walls, with security systems and do not care what the refugees are doing. They don't have to live next to raging immigrant mob, that roams the streets at night, looking for people to rob and women to rape. Some of the most vocal leftists should be made to live next to a refugee housing and I'm certain their view on immigration would quickly change.

OK.. I have no problem with this. But there are a few conditions. The refugee will be ineligible for citizenship. Once the war is over in his country, he will be replaced with another refugee from another country. Also, if the refugee is found guilty of any violent crime, then the refugee must be deported and his sponsor should be punished. For example, if the refugee commits a rape, then the perpetrator must be deported, and his sponsor must be raped with a broomstick.

We have Internet and other media, they will have to learn to sell themselves. We have to do it to find a job, they will have to do it to get a sponsor, allowance and a shot at a real life in a civilised country.


Remember that a punishment has to be unpleasant. Making such laws is quite dangerous as there are people with a taste for fetishes.

Best deal with the refugees can only be the case if the life in the camp on the territory of their country be better than living on welfare in Europe. Enough to stop funding the migrants and they will no longer go to EU countries

That is the most logical and the easiest option. Create safe zones within these countries, where the refugees can reside without the fear of shelling and bomb attacks. But the leftists will be opposed to this idea.

Although I am not a fan of Donald Trump, but on this issue of immigration, I am kind of cool with it but not with the lame excuse that they are Muslims after all this policy won't exempt any one both Muslims and Christians will be affected. But at the same time, me as a host should be able to decide who I bring into my house and also who I shut the door on. At least I still deserve that.

If a person knows English well, and if he knows the common law system of Government we have, no matter where he is from, he can stand as a man with the right claim in court, and if he does it the right way, nobody will stand with anything against him, unless he has caused injury. He can stay.

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This is the best solution to the immigration problem I have seen. If you are capable of keeping your own immigrant and pay for him, then please, take responsibility.
Of course it would be problematic and hard to achieve from the legal point of view. But it is still better that creation of camps with refugees/illegal immigrants living in below average conditions.

countries have the right to decide who comes and goes, but it's madness that this applies to visa and green card holders. anyone who knows anything about america knows that that's not a simple thing to get.

and while we're here, why the hell ain't they banning saudis and pakistanis? they're just as much of a threat to westerners as the other countries nominated.

The decision might not be good at all but I think that most of the richest and countries that have good prescriptive to live, most of them block most of the people to get a visa there especially from poor countries or from countries that are in conflicts with some countries, but they have the lottery where lots of people get the green card and join the U.S community.

America does not have any immigrants.

The country belongs to the Native Americans. They were invaded and nearly wiped out. The people were invaders and since then anyone going over there are reinforcements.

Perhaps Trump doesn't need anymore reinforcements.

Yeah, Trump is doing excellent..
Everyone said that he would never actually do what he said he was going to do..

Trump has done more things that he promised campaigning in like 2 weeks than obama did in 8 years..
Thanks to Trump, things are looking good..

The last thing we need are dependent immigrants that are completely incompatible with democracy and freedom, and want to kill us..

Trump and the Republicans are hypocrites...more each day. Trump does not do what he says, let me provide some examples:

• He once said that the CIA couldn't be trusted, however this week he said he loves the CIA
• He once claimed Obama was abusing his power by issuing Executive Orders, yet Trump has issued more Executive Orders this week than Obama
• He declared that muslim immigration should be halted, but hasn't applied that Executive Order to immigrants coming from countries where he has business dealings (Saudi, UAE, Turkey, Azerbaijan, etc.)
• He said he'd "drain the swamp" but has filled his cabinet with friends and family, most of whom are billionaires
• He said he would fund his own campaign, yet he accepted loads of donations
• He originally said he was for the withdrawal of troops in Iraq, until Obama made the same decision and Trump infamously insisted we must stay

I could share more.

Majority of these immigrants are dependent on nothing more than a community that's not in the middle of war.

Life will be worse under Trump. Especially when he starts taxing all the imports Americans buy...the middle-America folks that voted for him won't be able to afford anything anymore (and they still won't have their jobs).

The US economy has skyrocketed under Obama. It's fact...not opinion. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/01/obamas-numbers-january-2015-update/ (http://) (P.S. The only reason users of food stamps has gone up is because Obama expanded the program to cover people that earn more money than the law previously allowed, thus not an indicator of personal economic downturn.)

That is solely why Trump freezes immigration. Since it is costly, imagine a country using the public tax to be spent on alien immigrants and in huge value. If those funds are spent on welfare then the public tax will really play its role. Its not bad to cater immigrants but a huge number of immigrants to be supported by the government is too much. Probably Trump wanted to establish more policies to uplift the economy before accepting immigrants.

Trump probably forgot that America was built by immigrants. There is no ethnic American. On the contrary America is always created good conditions for life and realize their potential for immigrants. That is what made America great.

The US was built by legal immigrants. These immigrants applied for the citizenship and received them. They served in the army and paid taxes to the American treasury. The Mexicans on the other hand are illegal immigrants, who don't pay any tax.

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DAMN DID WE FORGET SOMEBODY?

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The Saudis can't be banned, because a considerable portion of the American federal debt is owned by them. And Pakistan is the most important ally of the United States in South Asia. And don't forget that it is a nuclear power.

I was joking.  The US relation with both Saudi and Pakistan is complex.

"With friends like those who needs enemies?"

lol...

Yes.. it is complex. If the Americans refuse to sanction funds to Pakistan, then the other super-powers (especially China and Russia, may be Iran as well) will move in to fill the void. Also, if the Americans want to launch an attack on Iran, the Pakistani province of Balochestan will be the best location for it. 

I think that Trump has a plan, or he is doing something. We cannot accuse him, because we do not what is his main idea, or what he will going to do? We should follow him, or we should know what is his ideas or plan to be. Immigration being frozen, a lot of question would be? Is there anything in immigration? And why Trump freezes immigration ?

Here's his statement about it.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/01/29/president-donald-j-trump-statement-regarding-recent-executive-order

“America is a proud nation of immigrants and we will continue to show compassion to those fleeing oppression, but we will do so while protecting our own citizens and border. America has always been the land of the free and home of the brave. We will keep it free and keep it safe, as the media knows, but refuses to say. My policy is similar to what President Obama did in 2011 when he banned visas for refugees from Iraq for six months. The seven countries named in the Executive Order are the same countries previously identified by the Obama administration as sources of terror. To be clear, this is not a Muslim ban, as the media is falsely reporting. This is not about religion - this is about terror and keeping our country safe. There are over 40 different countries worldwide that are majority Muslim that are not affected by this order. We will again be issuing visas to all countries once we are sure we have reviewed and implemented the most secure policies over the next 90 days. I have tremendous feeling for the people involved in this horrific humanitarian crisis in Syria. My first priority will always be to protect and serve our country, but as President I will find ways to help all those who are suffering.”

But if Trump will jump down from the roof of his trump tower you will also follow? I don't think so. Are you sure that Trump is not a spy of Putin? Or just crazy? It now destroys all the principles of the existence of America. Not afraid that America will collapse?

No, nope, nay.

The existence of nuclear weapons doesn't bother me. It might bother if it were in the same hands, and so it is a useless toy. Saudi Arabia can make quite a big trouble for America's economy.

More people are in favor of Trump's travel ban than against - who've answered this poll.

I wonder where the people that are in favor of the travel ban are from? What Continent? Which Countries? Developed countries or developing countries.

This information may tell us something interesting.

Well let me be the first to tell you because i ain't scared of no mf..I am in favour of ban and i am from the UK..
So that's 1 vote ;)

TO MUCH ISLAM..

Now i know what the Japanese must of felt like when Christianity hit there shores..

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WINSTON CHURCHILL..Own words..

While these words were written when he was only 25-years-old (in 1899), they serve as a prophetic warning to Western civilization today.

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism (Islam) lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.”

Churchill apparently witnessed the same phenomenon in several places he visited. “The effects are apparent in many countries: improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.”

He saw the temporal and the eternal tainted by their belief system. “A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity,” he wrote.

The second-class status of women also grated at the young officer. “The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men,” he noted.

“Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyzes the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world.”

If a ban on hate speech comes to affect get everyone to sign a petition to change the law they must change if most of the people want it changed..

The people say what laws we want to rule us NOT SOME SNOBBY LITTLE SHIT..

Just remember secret service army police ..You are the first on the front line?..
Make sure your not there to line your bosses pockets or some elite or politicians pockets..
So they used you like a PAWN on a chess board..

And also it's your children who have to live in this world that the elite are trying to make..
YOU MEAN NOTHING..You are my sons and daughters on the front line..

I want you on the front line to save your country I.E YOUR HOME ;) and nothing else ..
Not to line some toffs pocket because he makes rockets and wants to use them so we the tax payer can buy more..

Lord Ricketts, permanent secretary from 2006-2010, slammed planned visit of Mr Trump.
In public letter, he said Theresa May had put Queen in 'very difficult position'
It has now emerged he is adviser to Lockheed Martin, which took financial hit
Last week, Trump announced contract was slashed by $600million (£478m


Ricketts replaced Peter Westmacott as UK Ambassador to France effective January 2012, with Kim Darroch taking Ricketts's old role as National Security Adviser.[3]

In December 2015 the Foreign and Commonwealth Office announced that he was to retire from the Diplomatic Service in January 2016.[4]

Prior to his appointment as National Security Adviser, Lord Ricketts had been the Permanent Secretary in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office. Before he took over that position in July 2006, he served as the Permanent Representative to NATO in Brussels. He was also previously the Chairman of the Joint Intelligence Committee, leading him to give evidence to The Iraq Inquiry in November 2009.[5] He began his career in the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in 1974 and served as the Assistant Private Secretary to former Foreign Secretary Sir Geoffrey Howe. Apart from Brussels, he has been posted to Singapore, Washington D.C. and Paris. Ricketts retired from HM Diplomatic Service in January 201


Now do you see politicians selling weapons for their friends..
And the secret service army put themselves on the front line..
Yes they pay your top ranking bosses the BACKHANDERS ;)..And then they put you on the front line..

But you could be my son or daughter they are doing this to..
Now instead of going out to risk your lives once a year you are risking your lives 10 times a year to line someones pockets..And not your pockets and you are the one who put your lives in danger..
HOW MUCH IS YOUR LIFE WORTH..
Now ask your boss how much your life is worth ;)..
To me it's worth as much as any man or women on this planet..
But does your boss think so?..
 

It is always risky, considering the relationship which some of these top Pakistani officials have with Al Qaeda / ISIS. There is no guarantee that these guys will not provide the ISIS with nuclear technology, if not nuclear weapons or enriched Uranium.

Why do we need Pakistan? Do you think that the President of Pakistan does not understand that you cannot give a monkey a grenade? In addition, the content of the application and maintenance of nuclear weapons is very expensive and difficult.

The conflict of interests of trump and Turnbull have endangered agreement on the resettlement of refugees from Australia to USA. American President described this telephone call as "the worst" of all that he had with world leaders in that day

But monkeys don't understand.  Teach them to throw grenade, get banana, they throw.

As I said, it is complex. First of all, Pakistan is regarded as one of the most important allies of the US in the region. And secondly, if you break your ties with Pakistan, then China and Russia will attempt to bring that country to their orbit. You want to avoid that, right?

The problem is that the Americans who voted for Trump not very good at politics. I'm sure most of them will not tell you where is Pakistan. They don't understand that America was in that condition when foreign policy helped to support the economy.

He did nothing wrong.1st thing president should love is people of his country and then everything else.Trump has given his life to make america something better if immigration is going to do good for americans what is bad he did!!!
Trump is a businessman with billions in accs and a very big business he could have lived a luxurious life with all things needed but he is standing for betterment of americans he is reducing taxes, bringing jobs, building wall... rules for whom?its not going to benefit him its for the people.
He is very kind to his country people and so is the reason he has frozen immigration.so he is right at his path.
If any one who wanted to migrate to US but couldnot now because of the new rules then just know world doesnot begin or end with US globe is round there are opportunities every where in world.There are countries with currency even better than US.
Muslim brothers you can migrate to quwait saudi... and make mny.
in quwait you can make more mny than you could in US
Am not a muslim so i dont know how it actually feels to hear that a ban to muslims(ban to your religion to enter the prestigious country of world) is put up if done as racism its very bad but my angle shows its done for good of people so might be a correct decision.

Pakistanis might be officially not banned but none among them get visas so its typically a ban on them.
Pakistan is not any important alliea of US only reason he didnt ban was because pak is supplier of uranium which US might need in near future.and as trump wishes to improve ties with north korea he has to not ban pakistan because north korea recueves huge quantity of uranium from pakistan and using which they make nuclear weapons.

To get a green card is actually very difficult. My friend lives and works in America for 18 years and does not have citizenship. To get a green card in a poor country is almost impossible.

Green card achieving depends on the visa but there are simpler solns also to get citizenship just mary a us girl and you attain citizenship of the country.
Even that business is being done for few $$

It just shows that in today's world it is not possible to wall itself off and live without noticing what's happening around. Trump and his supporters do not understand and therefore they are doomed to failure.

I agree with it.
Slow this shit down so he can get his countries shit together first.
Or he will have US end up where Europe has put them selves in with mass immigration allowed.
Now Merkel is taking the flack and everybody wants he out of there.

They didn't have the same strategy to begin if, Hitler disarmed his citizens while Trump on the other hand made it clear that it was the right of the citizens to bear arms. Obama and Hillary's Gun control law seeks to punish gun manufacturers and prohibit people from getting guns, From this scenario you will know who was rather inclined to Hitler's position.

You realize that whole nazi germany was a military economy? Majority of men were soldiers and woman were working in arms production.
Im pretty sure every single german family had arms of some sort in nazi germany.

Hitler actually only outlawed guns for jews, roma etc (for obvious reason) and changed the laws for nazis to bear arms without a license. Look up RGBl I, 265 from march 18 in year 1938.

I believe had the Jews had any weapons they would have fought back against the Nazi but since they were unarmed, they were led to the slaughter like sheeps. Trump has every right to refuse the flow of immigratio, He is President and will do anything he sees as good for the People of the USA. The same way Obama did during his tenure in office.

No. Trump is not going to improve relations with the DPRK.

And the relationship between the DPRK and Pakistan is mutually beneficial. The DPRK got Uranium from Pakistan, and in return the North Koreans supplied the technology needed to make nuclear weapons to the Pakis.

Trump even have to go to a psychiatrist. I think he doesn't know what he's doing. When he became President he imagines himself to Batman and thought that all of it will be afraid. It is not so simple. The world will unite around another leader.

Does he get the cool motorcycle?

Beats Obama trying to play FDR

That's what happens if you go through the legal route. Your friend should have immigrated to the US illegally, and produced a dozen anchor babies. By now, his children would have been able to sponsor him as a legal resident.

Right can only make anchor babies if you an illegal immigrant  :D

I agree with you. A lot of migrants don't want to formalize their stay in America because they are afraid to give themselves to immigration. I think that America will only get worse. This is not a registered weapon.

I think its not a good idea, actually Trump being the president is not a good idea. Were talking about immigrants not refugees. He might also want to do a reality check. People around him are immigrants, that includes his wife. So if he's scared of terrorists, he needs a tighter security at his airports not ban people from coming in to the country who are already citizens of the US.

You need to differentiate illegal immigrants from legal immigrants. Donald Trump's wife legally immigrated to the United States more than two decades back. She paid her taxes, and waited patiently in the line to get her citizenship.

She had the opportunity to become a legal American citizen. Why so many illegal immigrants? Because they have no opportunity to obtain the status of a citizen legally. That's the problem.

A person does not have a RIGHT to immigrate where ever they want to.  That they will do so regardless of the law is the problem.

People always want to live in a good state. Migrants are not a problem if the state could direct the migration flows in the right direction. In any country needs workers. If they are to assimilate into society the state will benefit from this.

Perfectly. Immigration have been prohibited many times in the past in the United States, and this is why it always worked. You can not just import hundred of thousands of people that have half the IQ of a 12 years old child and hope that all goes well. This is for American people security.

Agreed, and we're not talking about immigrants. We're talking about refugees. People seeing asylum from an unsafe living environment.

It's not about what THEY want.  It's about what I want, or those that own individually or jointly the land that the migrants want to travel, live and work on.  We say what they can and cannot do.  They don't tell us.   You or others don't tell us, either.  We say what we want.

It's horrible how you can even think to compare Donald J Trump and Adolf Hitler, I don't even know how people can even come close to seeing the supposed / alleged similarities between the two. You're going to say that they ran on the same campaign promises and such? Well putting that into perspective doesn't every politician have similarities to Hitler and Trump when they make promises saying they're going to help the country and pretty much "make it great"

Politicians refer to past times which were greater and look to go forward and better than ever before over that, just like Trump refers to making America Great Again. All he did was put a slogan on it, nothing more nothing less.

You are correct that there are distinctions but Trumps declaration will mean that there will be no migration to US coming from foreign countries especially arab countries. I am not against this kind of thinking nor against hi agenda. His plans has just started and I will only react if his policies resulted to negative impacts on the United States of America. It is only when we can say that Trump is not a good president if after his term his agenda doesnt made Americas situation much better.

It is just a myth propagated by the liberals that any country is going to benefit out of illegal immigrants. How can a country benefit from these people, when they are exploiting the welfare payments, without paying the taxes?

Also, the entire population of the developed world is around 1 billion. The population of the developing nations is more than 6 billion. It is not practical to bring all these 6 billion to the developed nations.

And who told you that we are talking about all 6 billion? Please enter the requirement for migrants to abandon Islam, to work and to social benefits, not to obtain citizenship, and careful monitoring of their movements.