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Title: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BTC_TR on April 15, 2013, 07:31:33 AM
Hello,
I'm new to these two subjects. I wonder, is it safe to use my device anonymously, without being identified ? As I understood, it is not possible to use a Tor on IOS.
I'll be grateful to anybody who can shed light on that issue.


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BitcoinPimp on April 15, 2013, 07:37:17 AM
Hello,
I'm new to these two subjects. I wonder, is it safe to use my device anonymously, without being identified ? As I understood, it is not possible to use a Tor on IOS.
I'll be grateful to anybody who can shed light on that issue.

You can indeed use TOR on iPhone. With "Covert Browser".

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/covert-browser/id477438328?mt=8

Works like a charm for me. It even changes your TOR routing once per like 3-5 minutes which makes it look like you are jumping IP addresses like a rabbit.


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BTC_TR on April 15, 2013, 07:57:13 AM
You can indeed use TOR on iPhone. With "Covert Browser".

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/covert-browser/id477438328?mt=8

Works like a charm for me. It even changes your TOR routing once per like 3-5 minutes which makes it look like you are jumping IP addresses like a rabbit.

Thank you very much ! But, I talked to Tor support and was told by them that it is unsafe to use iphone and they can't guarantee anonymity. I'm really new in that sphere of smartphones. Is it really possible to be secured on that device - from Apple first of all ?


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BitcoinPimp on April 15, 2013, 08:34:01 AM

Thank you very much ! But, I talked to Tor support and was told by them that it is unsafe to use iphone and they can't guarantee anonymity. I'm really new in that sphere of smartphones. Is it really possible to be secured on that device - from Apple first of all ?

Tor support may not been aware of the existence of the App i sent you link to. So you could contact the Tor support again and send them link to that App and ask if they have been testing it or something?

As far as it goes for my own usage, seems the Covert Browser works very good on my iPhone 4S. Seems to cover my true IP 100% so far.

But then again, A hard-core security-expert would most likely tell you that in order to be 100% safe, you should not connect to internet at all. LOL.  ::)


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BTC_TR on April 15, 2013, 08:42:04 AM
Tor support may not been aware of the existence of the App i sent you link to. So you could contact the Tor support again and send them link to that App and ask if they have been testing it or something?

As far as it goes for my own usage, seems the Covert Browser works very good on my iPhone 4S. Seems to cover my true IP 100% so far.

But then again, A hard-core security-expert would most likely tell you that in order to be 100% safe, you should not connect to internet at all. LOL.  ::)

Here is a quotation from their answer :

Unfortunately there is no support for the Tor software on the iPhone.
> This is
> because no matter what software you use, Apple still has access to your
> real
> location all the time. This means there is no known of anonymizing
> iPhone web
> traffic right now.

Is there any solution, being connected to internet ?


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BitcoinPimp on April 15, 2013, 08:56:19 AM
hmmm i see. I guess they might be right then. Now I suddenly got a bit insecure myself regarding the Covert Browser, if the answer you got from them is true.  ???


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: jago25_98 on April 15, 2013, 09:09:13 AM
Every 'smart' phone is closed source to some degree and so, insecure. The least closed would be an Android running Replicant with only the modem closed, next would probably be a Galaxy running Cyanogenmod. iphone is pretty much a closed and controlled shop but is if not rooted then possibly more secure... just less private.

 It depends what privacy you want and what you think is the biggest threat. Personally if I had bought an iphone anyway I would trust Apple but hesitate to trust the apps.


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BTC_TR on April 15, 2013, 09:35:46 AM
Every 'smart' phone is closed source to some degree and so, insecure. The least closed would be an Android running Replicant with only the modem closed, next would probably be a Galaxy running Cyanogenmod. iphone is pretty much a closed and controlled shop but is if not rooted then possibly more secure... just less private.

 It depends what privacy you want and what you think is the biggest threat. Personally if I had bought an iphone anyway I would trust Apple but hesitate to trust the apps.

So, up to You, how to secure yourself, dealing with bitcoin and using Iphone 5 ? Or, maybe, it is worth not to deal with bitcoin, using Iphone ?


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: jago25_98 on April 15, 2013, 10:09:50 AM
Every 'smart' phone is closed source to some degree and so, insecure. The least closed would be an Android running Replicant with only the modem closed, next would probably be a Galaxy running Cyanogenmod. iphone is pretty much a closed and controlled shop but is if not rooted then possibly more secure... just less private.

 It depends what privacy you want and what you think is the biggest threat. Personally if I had bought an iphone anyway I would trust Apple but hesitate to trust the apps.

So, up to You, how to secure yourself, dealing with bitcoin and using Iphone 5 ? Or, maybe, it is worth not to deal with bitcoin, using Iphone ?

My gut feeling is that security is good on an unrooted iphone but privacy is poor. If you are worried about someone hacking your phone then the iphone is probably good. If you are worried about your taxman looking at your phone and then billing you then it is probably a bad.
This is my gut feeling regards closed source things.

So the answer is - it depends. You are in the hands of Apple, you either trust them or you don't, it's not for me to say. Personally I trust them but perhaps other people would be more paranoid that somehow Apple might delete the Bitcoin app from your phone somehow (possible?) - does that happen if an app is pulled from iTunes?


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: Gabi on April 15, 2013, 10:11:37 AM
Buying an iphone today looks like a fail to me


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BTC_TR on April 15, 2013, 10:28:09 AM
Thanks to all who answered. If I'll decide to deal with bitcoin on iphone - how to start technically ? How to install a client ? Do I need some application(s) to be preinstalled ?


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BTC_TR on April 15, 2013, 07:07:10 PM
Can somebody explain to dummy how to download and install to IPhone 5 an official bitcoin client? Do I need any applications to be preinstalled? I tried but havn't succeed.


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BitcoinPimp on April 16, 2013, 11:12:47 AM
Can somebody explain to dummy how to download and install to IPhone 5 an official bitcoin client? Do I need any applications to be preinstalled? I tried but havn't succeed.

Apple banned all "local based" bitcoin wallets from their app store. :(

The only wallet that works good as far as i have tested on iPhone is the online web wallet from https://blockchain.info/wallet/ web-site. They also have their own iPhone app with integrated web-browser to use the online wallet with.


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BTC_TR on April 17, 2013, 03:22:43 AM


Apple banned all "local based" bitcoin wallets from their app store. :(

The only wallet that works good as far as i have tested on iPhone is the online web wallet from https://blockchain.info/wallet/ web-site. They also have their own iPhone app with integrated web-browser to use the online wallet with.
Thank You a lot! But to start with I need first of all an application,
http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.8.1/bitcoin-0.8.1-macosx.dmg/download
and here I can't download it.


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BTC_TR on April 18, 2013, 04:38:23 PM
May somebody help me with that issue ???
I can't start because I can't download and install http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.8.1/bitcoin-0.8.1-macosx.dmg/download !!!



Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: Nerzahd on April 18, 2013, 04:48:21 PM
May somebody help me with that issue ???
I can't start because I can't download and install http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.8.1/bitcoin-0.8.1-macosx.dmg/download !!!



You can't install that on your iphone.


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BTC_TR on April 18, 2013, 05:00:34 PM
May somebody help me with that issue ???
I can't start because I can't download and install http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.8.1/bitcoin-0.8.1-macosx.dmg/download !!!



You can't install that on your iphone.

So, what is instead? How to start with ?


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: Nerzahd on April 18, 2013, 05:05:41 PM
You can only install apps from the appstore. Try blockchain.


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BTC_TR on April 18, 2013, 05:19:22 PM
You can only install apps from the appstore. Try blockchain.
OK, thank You, I'll try it when the website will be up.


Title: Re: New to BitCoin and Iphone 5 as well
Post by: BTC_TR on April 19, 2013, 08:14:08 AM
You can only install apps from the appstore. Try blockchain.
OK, thank You, I'll try it when the website will be up.

How to verify email address on blockchain ?
Succeeded to confirm phone no' by SMS, but not email .
Thank you.