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Economy => Economics => Topic started by: btcminer021 on April 15, 2013, 02:53:07 PM



Title: How I would manipulate the Bitcoin exchange market
Post by: btcminer021 on April 15, 2013, 02:53:07 PM
How I would manipulate the Bitcoin exchange market

http://www.247btc.com/bitcoins/134/how-i-would-manipulate-the-bitcoin-exchange-market-and-how-a-discrete-double-auction-could-stop-me/

Great article.


Title: Re: How I would manipulate the Bitcoin exchange market
Post by: Bitmeat on April 15, 2013, 11:18:09 PM
Great article, and I'm pretty sure this is what one or more well financed parties have been doing since at least January. People tend not to remember the lag spikes that "crash" the market from $40ish to $30ish and back, despite being a major correction  ;D

An exchange with 80% of the volume, that can only handle a pathetic 35 trades per second before lagging out means you can just "DDOS" it from the comfort of your desktop, without having to go to all the trouble of paying for a botnet or performing a real DDOS attack.

With $60,000 worth of servers you can easily build a backend that can handle 1000+ trades per second. MtGox makes that much money every day. My pa always taught me to "never assume conspiracy where incompetence would give the same result"


Title: Re: How I would manipulate the Bitcoin exchange market
Post by: bassclef on April 16, 2013, 07:15:20 AM
Thanks for posting. Good information all traders should be aware of.


Title: Re: How I would manipulate the Bitcoin exchange market
Post by: Xiaoma on April 16, 2013, 04:10:10 PM
My pa always taught me to "never assume conspiracy where incompetence would give the same result"

Beautiful saying, I should write it down to remember it. :)


Title: Re: How I would manipulate the Bitcoin exchange market
Post by: Xiaoma on April 16, 2013, 04:26:01 PM
Actually, the article about the double auction say something very similar to what I wanted to discuss in the forum last week...

I never heard about the double auction, but my idea was to only update the USD/BTC rate every 30 minutes, based on average transactions since the previous update. This would still let the market go up and down according to demand/offer, but would keep "instant traders" out of the exchange because there is no way they can use the usual techniques to profit from minute by minute fluctuations.

Still a vague idea that needs more thinking, but I feel that some bright minds could come up with a good plan.


Title: Re: How I would manipulate the Bitcoin exchange market
Post by: btcminer021 on April 16, 2013, 05:01:20 PM
An exchange with 80% of the volume, that can only handle a pathetic 35 trades per second before lagging out means you can just "DDOS" it from the comfort of your desktop, without having to go to all the trouble of paying for a botnet or performing a real DDOS attack.

With $60,000 worth of servers you can easily build a backend that can handle 1000+ trades per second. MtGox makes that much money every day. My pa always taught me to "never assume conspiracy where incompetence would give the same result"

Exactly what I think is happening, and shows the greed involved when the largest BTC exchange grows too fast and without really showing they care. Easily a good time for others to step in with some capital and dominate the exchange market. More security, more compute power is all you need!