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Hi. I'm not sure if this is the right place to start a topic but I really want some answers and it's connected to gambling in a way. I'm thinking about picking a casino and investing in it, so that I can have some small income every month (if everything goes okay). What I wanted to ask is if that is possible to see the information about casinos' income per day or month for now or is it private information nobod really gives that easily? And do you think investing in casino is a good idea, by the way? Thank you.

This should be the most reliable stop for the exact stats: https://dicesites.com/ . Its a third party site made by NLNico, so it shouldn't be biased.

This topic has been discussed before a lot of times if you take the time to search in the forum you will find many threads talking about casinos profit and more.

Never thought of that, because there are sites that I know but I never know how much profit are they getting every month or week. Why not ask them, PM the owner and tell him that you have an interest doing some investments and ask if how much are they getting, though i think it will be rude. But the point is, you are investing so you can get profit so you are just being careful about it, so just ask them.

Most online casinos publish their win/losses as far as I know.

The reason they are collecting investments, is to make sure that they have a big enough bankroll to pay in case someone wins big. Without the investors, they wouldn't have the liquidity required. Basically, the investors carry most of the risk for the casino, which is worth a big chunk of the profits for the casino.

I think you are looking for a casino which is sharing their gambling profit..and then if you seen their stats is really profitable you will invest in their casino to make a good profit? am i right? i think they are not giving their own profit.. but its obvious that they are making a good profit since many business here are staying long like crypto-games. and betking just like other said that betking is the most giving profit for as investors.

If you intend to earn a percentage of the house's earnings, then you should look for casinos that give you the option of investing in bankroll. There are many options, but not all will give you a good return, so I think deep study is needed before investing in any casino.

if you want investment in gambling site iam recomended for you invest
1 moneypot (provider gambling site many gambling site use moneypot service)
2 crypto-games-net
3 bitvest

in there reputable gambling site service, high wager, high client play in there

Yes, this is right place for your question, but your question has been discussed before. Read on here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1585408.0 The OP always update his investment from month to month.

I think investing our money is more "safe" rather than we gamble it. Investing in casino always has risk, you could lose your investment too when high roller won a lot.

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From a link which i mentioned on above, OP got nice return from his investment in Cryptogames, safedice and king dice. Where is the proof if investing our money in moneypot and bitvest are good choice?

Surely once you invest in a gambling sites bankroll, expect a return fo it for a long term. But don't expect for it to be a huge one even house always wins. As you can see, investing in a gambling sites bankroll are not that pleasing to most of the members of the community since it's not that much. The profit you can get here, for let's say a large amount can easily be pulled out if there's a big whale that hits a jackpot. Also 1% stake at gambling sites bankroll is not that decent amount.

For further information, you can send a concern to the site itself to let you know the specific computation you can get once you invest in their bankroll.

It's still not a sure fire way to gain any profit from. Look at satoshi dice, they lost 12% in their january's house investment. It is however profitable if you are looking for a long term investment as casinos do win in the long term and not on the short run. Also try to distribute where you will invest, don't put all your money in one casino.

Investing in casino is actually a very good idea. Remember the house always wins in the long run. Make sure you invest on a popular and legitimate casino.
You can try investing on crypto-games.net. Check their FAQ for more information about investing. You can check all the information about the casino, how much profit/loss per day, how much they made/lost in a month and so on.

You are right that your idea belongs to gambling but actually this is totally gambling .
Since you want investing in casino but think about it thoroughly that no one casino will take your investment for the sure profit because the money/btc that will be deposit will be use by the casino site for the gambling with user , it means your are not making gambling with your bitcoin but someone is making gambling with your bitcoin .
I will suggest don't invest in gambling casino , if you want gamble with your bitcoin try your your at your favorite games of sports at sports betting sites .

This is completely wrong. In investing in the casinos, you are part of the house. You are not actually gambling, but just that they are gambling against you, the house. If you don't know, the house never loses in the long run. Regardless of how many tries gamblers do the resulting end will be the same that the house will win against the gamblers.

most of them don't give much information about their income which is really weird since they are asking for investments. but the only thing you can do is to see the history and read some feedback about that site, or find someone else that has been investing in the site you have in mind. one example of these is gamblingcasinoreviews guy that numanoid gave the link to his topic.

but you should always remember that no matter what happened in the past, in the future you are still investing in a gambling site and in gambling, if the site is  fair it means there is a chance a whale wins a big amount and you lost profit.

i am not sure that the gambling site will give or share their information about income per day or month but i think if you send email to the owner, maybe the owner will share to you so you can sure with the profit. in my opinion is a good idea to investing in the casino as long as you can select recommended gambling sites and with many reviews from members on here, i think you can find the best one for you.

There are some gambling sites who accepts investments who shows their investment information. I tried out bitvest and they have a chart on an hourly basis and on a daily one. So you can see how much the house investment's loss/profit from its activities. Which is nice to see if you did earn something or not on those times.

I'm pretty sure that most gambling sites that has an invest option shares their stats about investments. You can easily see those stats in the site when your about to put your investment in the house or like what brituspol said just check it at dicesites.com (http://dicesites.com).

Yes, this is the right place to ask, and this question has been asked many times.
Investing as casinos bankroll is a good option to get nice profits every week/month depending on how much income they get.
You may check this thread for more information : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1585408.0
However, not only gambling sites offering investment, such as https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1607623.0
You can ask the sites about how to invest and how much their profits, but do your own research which one of the sites to put your money into.

Yes, those who have the option to invest on their site I am sure they will share their profit and loss record with investors. And this is a safe way to make money without any hard work. But you should always check the stats of the sites. And if you feel you are not getting good income for your investment you have options to withdraw your money. Or move your money to profitable sites.

I think there's no casino bankroll will give a real passive income for every day/month/year, they not guaranteed it.
But the bankroll usually give they total bankroll and give a percentage of your profit, for example crypto-games bankroll.

Wow, thanks, I've never seen this one, I'll try to figure out my thought using it.
Yes, win/losses can be seen mostly but there are to many bets per day and no statistics on months and stuff. Investors carry the risk? In which way? I mean, if casino is able to pay the person, my stake is still mine and I get the money from the general profit, right?

We should really not to think always that we could able to make positive income always even we are investing on gambling site or casino website itself because there are really times that casinos do have negative profits which would really affect its investors too.Just like been mentioned above you could actually see the stats of different gambling sites regarding on their stats.

Not only casino bankroll investment but most of other investments are will not give any guaranty except fixed deposit in banks. All investment comes with some kind of risks so we should choose the correct investment based on our risk factor. If you want to avoid losses then it is better to consider diversifying your investments.

people really too greedy , want everything earned easily. an investment always have an interesting risk actually , especially when you decide want to invest in a casino that as everyone may know , the house always in favor. which means almost guaranteed you would get profit but of course doesn't mean you would always get it. it's just the matter on how you analyze it all before making an investment.

Investing in casinos are indeed not guaranteed winnings, as sometimes the very moment you place your investment someone wins big and really chips a huge chunk out of your investment especially when you raise the multiplier of the investment to the highest level. So I think even if the house always win in the long run, be ready for short run losses.

risk is one of the most important factor of all types of investments. but no one can get profit if he has no courage to take the risk. no doubt that investment in bitcoin is a also a risky investment, as no one know about the price of bitcoin, either it it will go higher or lower but still people have very good vies about bitcoins and according to them bitcoin can go more and more high, therefore we can consider it as safe investment.

Exactly! There is no assurance that you are going to get profit or passive income upon investing to gambling sites. All of them are risky and there's no guaranteed that you will get good profit in the end but this is a good investment as you don't need to do some effort for growing your bitcoin. So if the casino get's profit, you also get one.

In every investment there is no guarantee that you will profit. But in investing in casinos there is still better chances than any other investment since the house always wins. This principle is tried and tested, why do you guys think casinos in vegas gets bigger and bigger and they are even spreading across the world.

If I may add, most investments come with a level of risk that’s generally tied to the possible rate of return.Safest investments are usually also the ones that offer the lowest returns. But if you want to get a good ROI, investing in a casino is a good choice. So the only thing standing between you and a successful investment program is your decision.

make investing in casino can give us good profit although we need time before we get ROI, at least we can start to have passive income from our investment. if we make a good decision in casino like selecting what casino we want invest, how much we can invest, then i am sure that its only matter a time that we can get ROI.

I think I have read some of this in one thread. Something like "passive income". One guy is posting his profit from all the gambling site that he invested to. Yes, he didnt just do it for one gambling site, he scattered it and I think it is a good idea. In case of lost of one then the other one might get it back or maybe more. I will try to find where he posted it and PM you the link. Good luck.

Investment in casino is similar to the gambling in casino , So here it would be better to leave your idea of investment in the bitcoin casino sites ,because here is nothing sure . Suppose you made an investment of 0.1btc then the chances of getting profit only depends upon your luck only .
Here I will suggest you to betting with your bitcoin instead of investment . Well Herr the money is owned by you and you have only right to use your money according to your thinking .
I will only says that all idea in gambling as depends upon your luck and Secondly investment in casino also have the same risk like gambling by you .

Although safe investments do not always offer lower returns but it could be the standard to choose. Investments in the casino is very risky, but if done well, can be profitable. You're right decisions we that would determine the profit / loss on investments in the casino, so it should be done with caution. Accustomed to invest in a casino that has a good reputation, because it could prove that the casinos have trust. And try to always read and understand the rules or explanations investments in each casino. Then the strategy in each person.

Every investments do really have risk on losing out your money but I would rather choose to invest on gambling house itself rather than choosing on playing gambling games on it and we all know that house do always win and we could somehow say that we would really gain profits but we should expect that it would not be always positive because there are times it would come negative. Proper research and decision making would be really needed.

yeah that's right if you have ever make an investment you would know how your money run there in casino bankroll , first time feel a little shocked as your money went down to negative but then bounce back to having a good profit enough . it's due there is a lucky player hit some huge winning but then the house edge collected it all back even more.

There might be no guarantee but the possibility of getting profit with casino's are high. As we know the market of gambling sites are high because of gamblers scattered all around the world. And there are countries that are implementing ban for online gambling so those citizens are migrating into bitcoin gambling to keep their addiction.

They do give a passive income, you just have to invest a lot to make any significant kind of profit.
You're not going to get any income worth while when you invest less than 1 BTC.

But if you invest like 10 or 20 BTC, you'll see a really nice passive income if you leave it there for a longer period of time, that's the definition of passive income :P

Like Adzino has said on the first or second page of this thread, Crypto-Games is very transparent with their statistics, you can basically calculate how much you will make in the long term.

And something that a lot of people don't take into account:
Crypto-Games has a maximum win on dice games, meaning that that chances of losing your entire investment are next to non-existent.

Good idea to invest as casinos bankroll instead of gamble and get losses.
Just read the FAQ of gambling sites and sent them PM to ask all your questions, they will answer your questions with pleasure.
There are some gamblers have turned as casinos bankroll too, and get decent profits every month, yes I can say it's worth.
But remember, there is no guarantee if you will always get benefits as people sometimes beat the site.

share your investment around different sites and you'll do fine.

Investing in a casino can be a good idea as I'm sure lots of people here have made good profits doing so. I personally wouldn't do it though as I've seen many stories where casino owners have run away with investors funds & closed the site.

I think it's pot luck if you get a good site that is trustworthy.

Thinking off that all investments do really have involve risk on losing money that's why as an investor we should really be aware and choose the most and profitable gambling site before we tend to put up our money on their and if you are scared to put money then you would not gain profits at all because we should really need to risk in able to earn money.

It would depend on the casino that you invested in if they're going to make that information accessible to you. After all, you're an investor of their site and you should have the rights to see what's happening with your investments. I think that investing, in general, is a good idea since it makes your money grow without you doing that much effort. But in this crypto-world, you shouldn't get so confident that the site or the gambling casino that you're going to invest in isn't going to run away after completing the solicitation of their target money.

When it comes to casino, I am not quite familiar actually, have you ever try to ask somebody who is connected to the casino owner or if you know the owner itself you can ask him/her directly about your concern here. Aside from that, from the very start investing in casino for me is not a good idea, maybe because I'm not a gambler for real but for somebody who like it. it might be a good idea for them.

Investing in just-dice for clamcoin is ok, many active bettors there, and crypto-games.net is a good place to invest too. Once betking was the most profitable, but they shut down the service, Dean made millions of usd, so he wants the retirement life.

There are two things here. Investing in casino business to run your own casino or invest to play in Casino. Play in casino is not so worthy as you can lose more . But if you have funds, start your own casino and it will be very worthy as bitcoin casino are the best bitcoin business online these days.

IMO, investment just like another investment site but the different is when dice site experience massive profit, they will shared with investor too.
Just make sure that you invest into correct place based on community feedback and other expert explanation about the site

There are a lot of casinos that accept investing,and I simply never understood why.

People who wants to invest in a casino could just open their own casino, yeah, it could be a big mess for some of the people, but it is still worth it, as you could earn a way more from owning your own casino.

Anyway if you have nothing to do with your money it could be a good solution, just make sure you are investing at a well trusted casino

Lol
"could just open their casino"

Yeah sure, if you got 200 to 400 btc to spare as a bankroll, that you know enough about coding, wallet security, network...

It's a good idea if it will last for a lifetime. I doubt a gambling site that offers that kind of service will lasts for a longer period with that kind of option since once a gambling site established a good name and big profits they doesn't need anymore any investors for their bankroll. Look at those famous gambling site, they don't have any features like that.

Also a minimum BTC1 isn't enough to give you a reasonable profit every month since gambling site bankroll is really huge. How much money you are willing to risk? May we know?

i never know or heard that there is an information in casino there is income per day/monthly. If you you think its profitable for you and you have an idea about it, well go for it. make sure it will be profitable to you though its risky.

investing in casino for business or buying shares of a real casino or online casino site is a good idea. no doubt about that that it can give you a good profit. but in fact it is too much risky if you do not know about the casino or casino site because some casino sites are scam and they will take your money and will disappear.

Yes it is profitable but just like what others said it's risky and may I ask if you invest in casinos? If yes how much and how's the experience? Maybe I will give a try to invest in casinos.

You may want to look at this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1585408.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1585408.0)

This is a group of people who make investments in gambling site.
The plan is to investment on those sites for 1 Year.
You may want to follow that thread so see how it goes and
then decide for yourself whether to invest in casino or not. GoodLuck!!!

It seemed betking is the king of casino house, lol, but betking is not open any more. I wish one day they will be back, and I can invest huge stake there to make secure profits.

MOst of the big online casino has closed accepting funds from investors. Therefore, I have missed a chance to earn more Bitcoin from online casino. Crypto-games.net is still very potential since they still accept investing Bitcoin and their chart have shown that they can earn profit up to 100 Bitcoin per month

Yes,i do know that some gambling sites closed the doors for investors but as you said there are still some does accept as of now which is really a great opportunity to make money on longer runs and Crypto-Games is really good to put your money on.Wish I do have the money to put on those gambling sites specially to those profitable ones.

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Well, i'm the one from just-dice investors, since i invested my money from 6 months ago, my investment increased 20% from my initial investment. When you decided to try invest your money, you must be patience and patience. Investment never will work in short time.

There is a bitcoincasinoreviews stats going on and they have been investing on casinos for the past 6 months and in usd value they made about 100% return, for bitcoin it was just like %40 or something I am not sure. Also bitcoinstrip shows some calculators for what to expect and around how much you should be making. You definitely cant withdraw after a couple of bad days but if it goes bad for couple of months than it means they are not doing well and you should divest and move on to a new one. Betking was an investors heaven before they got sold.

According with image on above, he profited 6.44680 btc - 5.09640 btc = 1.3504 btc
(1.3504/5.09640)x100%= 26.4% increased since he started it 6 months ago.

Betking never sold to anyone until now (i guess so?). Dean just decided to close it.

You got a nice stats for 26 weeks and it seems the favor is with you because together the price is also skyrocketing. Too bad for betking that they had close I'm late on that news I'm planning to invest there but since Dean decided it already and it all happens. @coingamblingreviews are you planning to invest into some other casino's for the next weeks?

26% for about 6 months isnt bad at all investing on casinos does really worth if you put it on most profitable ones.Diversifying your bitcoin into different gambling sites is better compared on focusing on just one.Please put in mind that investing on it do always have risk.

Sure I will. I'm thinking about crypto-games now, because of that guy's 5btc investment results. But I'm still not sure, because there are many other great casinos and interesting thing is that if some casino had a signature campaign and didn't accept me or banned me once, I don't want to invest money there. I understand that casino can be profitable and campaign manager is probably not the casino owner and yet I can't make myself do that. I feel like something bad will happen again. And as I am now in btc dragon campaign, I am also considering this one as a good casino for investments.

Well, now i have no experience of investing in casinos, but so far as i know it will be trust-able, becasue i don't see any bad thing about any gambling sites, and i am show all gambling sites are trust-able. So if you want to invest in any casino than should see the history about this casino, otherwise, i think it is a good idea. 

From my personal experience I would like to say you are missing some good opportunity to grow your bitcoin in passive way. You are an established a member here but you are not following many people suggestions to invest into trusted gambling sites. Still I'm not recommending you to any particular site but there are many well-known sites which are so good with respect to their returns for our investments.

Present we have few sites to invest those sites are giving very good returns to their investors. People are making a nice profit from those sites. But you need big investment if you have enough money then this is the good time to make money, because the bitcoin price is also high you will get very good returns. I will not mention any sites, but you will get that information in this forum.

Investing in gambling sites is really risky in my opinion as you never know what will happen to your bank roll when some big whale starting winning big you might end up in losing your profits and the level of profit you can win is not that impressive and if you could invest that in trading you can earn more than that in my opinion.

Why not try for yourself? It is not that bad to invest in casino's even the returns and profits are not that high but if you want to diversify the bitcoins you got. Investing in casino's is one of the best investment so far, just choose the casino's that are reputable and has good record from their early investors. Try it for yourself.

We will only know how profitable investing in online casinos if we will try to do it, the risk is pretty low if you follow what the OP is currently doing. Invest in a legitimate gambling sites only and do your job to research before putting your money.
It's a no-brainer actually because the fact that gamblers loses in the long run then it's a guaranteed profit for the gambling sites, we just need to consider the volume of gamblers for betting profit.

As with any other investment, patience will play a key role in how much you earn and how long you stay invested. If you only have a small capital to begin with, better to stay the course for a while to earn some noticeable returns. I am planning on investing at Bitdice once I have enough capital to start this endeavour because right now, I am still enjoying playing dice in their site.

In present times, it is really hard to trust any investment sites even casinos, even if you have a large amount of money that you are putting it into, that does not mean that you are going to get good profit, nowadays people tend to trick others to invest and then run away with their money, and besides you re putting your money without any guarantee that you get money back.

Also a threat is the big whales who are gambling on a daily basis, they may lose for a couple of days but when the spirit of not giving up comes to them. They are going to show what they got and will keep on betting until they can win back all their losses, so if that ever happens we as investors are affected although that's happening occasionally.

i don't think if invest money at casino is good idea and always give us some profits because invest at casino site it means we should ready to lose our balance too, because if some whales player win with huge amount we will lose profits and balance maybe play gambling better than invest on it

but i think its a good idea to invest in casino because at least we can make steady profit althought we can not expect to get much of profit with the house. but to make invest in casino, we need 0.1 btc and maybe there are any gambling site that will give a chance for us to investing in under of 0.1 btc.

I am not sure why you require 0.1 bitcoins to invest into casinos. I did invest in them before at lower amounts just because I wanted to try it out. So far it is earning some small income, but at least it is earning. I don't expect too much out of it as the gambling site still has gets a portion of your earnings for purposes of paying for running the site, promotions, etc.

Why would anyone doubt the how profitable investing in a casino, we have seen it already as the OP is making a good experiment to prove to us how profitable it is. By looking at the figures, you will be able to analyze on what to do, and if you would ask me, I would not think twice to invest, I would even put a bigger amount if I have it.

you should never to expect a high return when it comes to an investment.
the ROI will not attracting you but at least provide you a promising profit compared to do business by yourself.
the risk lower than have to gamble by yourself or do your own business, especially in casino investment where there is few case casino bankroll down to zero.

the risk of investing in a casino's bankroll is still pretty high because it is gambling. specially when it come to some of these dice sites. you can check out that famous topic for investments, you can clearly see the high risk of investing in some of these casinos.
in some cases the loss was pretty huge, as big as 20+% lost for the investors.

In my understanding to your statement, if you want to have an income into casino you need to become employee of them. But if you like to have a fix income in casino as a player, that is possible but don't have any fix amount of income daily, it depends on you. Investing it also its up to you too, just make sure the casino you are going to engage your self is legal.

It really depends on how much you can invest and what is you % in the bankroll. With Betking most of us who invested there got very good profits. No investment is 100% safe but I would still consider investing in a btc casino.

I am not satisfied with you  , because what will happens if the casino has no vacancy for the worker for the  casino , So instead to destroy your time you should invest you bitcoin in wisely and profitable way , Here most of the post are suggesting to the investment in the money pot but I think the investment In the money pot is similar one to the gambling instead of investment .
Here I will suggest you to make gambling with your bitcoin instead of invest because investment is again will be use by the casino for the gambling and another ways of I vestment in the ponzi sites are almost scam and have more risk then the gambling .
Further i f you are in confusion with your bitcoin investment then you should use your bitcoin in trading because trading is much better then investment .

You say you earned some good profits on betking, it is either you had some large invest going, or it is either betking's bankroll is pretty small so even if you are not a big investor, you could still end up with some profits.
In my opinion, that's the kind of site you should search for if you are interested to invest in a gambling site, a site that has a small bankroll, so when you make an investment you actually own a decent percent of the site.

if i am not mistaken betking has too many ups and downs and they are usually big swings. for example not so long ago there was a whale who lost a lot of bitcoin in a very short period of 2 days and made all the investors happy but i remember before  that investors were losing money most of the time.

Yeah that's a good point I forgot to mention.
Investing in casinos can sometimes lead to a lose, you don't know what is going to happen, and sometime one guy suddenly wins a big jackpot and he takes a part of the money from you, which means you end up the investment in a lose.

Investing in casino also got risk, you cant expect to earn profit every month, you must be smart to choose your investing place, and usually the casino that provide investing chance got a stats to show to public, so the investors knows the  casino situation

According To Me its a Good Idea if you invest in the Casino Bankroll But Its Not a Good Idea If You Put your Money in the Casino in Games Such as Roulette, Dice Games Because Gambling Is Just a Shit Game Based on Your Luck and you can't win from a Casino in Long Run..............

yeah, this does happen but how often do you think it happens? not so much. I'm not sure about betking but whatever casinos I see. Most of them have been raking profits and its easy to see why and how. THe house edge does play a big part of it. If you dont want big swings you can invest in a casino which is well funded so that even if a user hits big, only a small % of you money goes with it but the vice versa will happen too.

Anyone who has spent any amount of time at a casino knows that the odds always favor the house. After all, gaming companies wouldn’t be in business for long if they didn’t retain an edge for themselves.
So just look for stable and old casino and put your money on it.

Investing in Betking is not possible anymore. Yes I repeat what I said: it has been the most important I did so far. I am talking about the one which was the leading dice site around more than 7000BTC bankroll. Surely not nuts

We should really not expect high returns because others think that investing in casino's are guaranteed to give them good profit. They may give good profit but the sad thing is that it is not that high at least that is good profit because it is a legit service that casino's are offering to us to be part of their operation which is a good thing.

You can earn big in a casino if there are plenty of high rollers on the site. But there aren't that many high rollers in any site. But in the long run you can still earn quite big if you just leave your investment in the casino. Probably a 20% per annum is possible in investing in casinos, that's quite good. But I am not sure if the casinos will really last that long.

Investing on casinos does really have the risk because we wont know until when they would operate and as you said if there are high rollers on the gambling site you invested in then you could somehow assure yourself that you would really make percentage profits on that one since we know that house do always wins.The best way if I have the money is to diversify your money in different sites which you know the most reputable ones in the market.

For me investing in a casino is just the same as putting fiat in a bank in a more risky way.
Unless the casino is VERY NEW, the bankroll will be so big that your investment is close to nothing...
So what you invest will get what? Maybe 2 or 3 % in months?
It's just that at least your money is used for something and you get a very little something in return.
But you can't expect to get rich with investment in a casino xD

Yeaaa i know it , but the basic thing that makes casino owners always get profit is because of house edge.
Automatically makes the investor there get profit too.
So basically it was pretty interesting to invest in a casino because of the risk is worth taken.

Well, Investing in the bankroll is good because we always have the profit thanks to the house edge. However, the profit is not as much as you think and it is very small, to be honest. it will be more effective if I choose some other projects. Casino is just for fun. And if I ever had a big capital, I would run my own casino

Well it would be a good start to running your own casino if you invest in it first to have an idea of hownit pretty much works. Casino sites never run out of gamblers so it is actually wise to invest in it and who knows, you may be getting little roi at the start but in end, the money you invested may very well allow you to start your own casino

I think making a new Casino can be risky but to be a partner in existing Casino or purchase a already well established casino is worth and i think it can yield a lot of profit. As you know, bitcoin is just a new technology if you compare the total population who uses bitcoins, so their is great potential in Bitcoin casinos and  other bitcoins projects.

All investments come with some risks and if one don't want to take any risks, then can't invest in any product. But if you want to reduce your casino investment risks then should consider diversifying your money into few good casino bankrolls then in the longer run your investment risks will reduce. Also remember to start with small amount until you know how these investments works and slowly can increase your investments later on.

Every investment is a risk, bigger or smaller. Creating your own casino is usually profitable, because there are many greedy guys that are risking way too much. It is safe to create your own one.

Actually it is good profit but there are times that casinos are also losing then, they wont give any profits to their investors also. Once I saw a graph by someone who are getting high returns for every big name casinos here in bitcointalk. I think he is doing quite well because he did invested to a lot of casino websites.

Investing on a gambling sites is not like way you thought, if you want to invest your bitcoin in a gambling site, all you have to do is send the amount of bitcoin that you are going to invest to their bitcoin wallet and it will be automatically put in your account on their gambling site. Sending a personal message to the owner would just be a hassle because you are not sure when will the owner of a certain gambling will read your personal message that you have sent to him, that is why this is not necessary.

Yes i agree with you.Gambling always involved with high risk.There are only a few people can make profits in casino,But it's also always true that,not a  long-term profits will be running after a while a losses according to previous record.But involved gambling Industry with opening a casino site can be VERY profitable.

I would like to invest in a casino business that gives me dividends, it's the only way to always win on a casino... to invest in a successful one. If someone started a casino of bitcoin in vegas or something, that would be cool and I would visit it too. I think no online casino is offering an investment plan with stocks that pay dividends.

I think it is a better choice than putting money in gambling itself, because by investing in casinos that bring the possibility of bankroll investment, it's like if you were playing in a way that the house is in your favor. But it is important to be aware that not always the house wins, and so there is a risk involved in the investment.

That's a good idea but most of the trusted casinos out there provide really less returns like 1-3% a year as far as I have heard. It may be more but unfortunately it is still less than the return bitcoin provides you every year.
So I would recommend you to not invest in any caaino and let the bitcoin stay in your wallet.

1-3% in a year? where did you heard that? that return is when you deposited your money in bank. I've said if my investment increased 20% since i invested my money in a dice site (if you read my history post, you will know where i invested) on 6 months ago. The return could be more if someone lost a lot or it could decreased when someone won a lot.

But we can't guarantee that there are always high rollers on the site. I can think that there are some other ways of earning through casino's and that is when we are going to maximize your bitcoins on investing on different casino's. 20% per annum is already a good return in casino's because we know that their income is not always that good too all the time.

Gambling sites offer good return compared to banks if you have a good amount of capital, you can double your money in a year and that is fact. When planning to invest in a gambling site, make sure you are into long term investment as the output cannot be felt in a short team. Casinos does not win on daily basis but they do win in the long run, think of that reality and you shall be convince and more confident with risky bigger.

you should never compare a gambling site investment or in general any kind of investment with what banks give you. because they are two completely different things.
in a bank you will 100% be sure that you can get a fixed amount of profit without any exception or it going wrong.
in any kind of investment you are not completely sure about the profit and amount of it and also there is always a big risk of losing money too.

In this case, don't invest in betcoin.ag. They lost 42% within 2 months on Alexa Global Rank (http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/betcoin.ag)! You better run, run, run! :D

How do you determine which casino is successful and which not? In the case of betcoin.ag, you obviously failed?

I guess dice sites are only accepting affordable investments for now, I have no personal issues against betcoin.ag and I have no idea they are accepting investment if not because of you, that needs to be verify yet. Choosing an investment is easy in bitcoin world as we can see some feedback here from those who have tried. Just always remember to invest in a reputable one, do not be greedy with the profit to come fast as it will not happen with investing.

I don't know if you can invest in their Dice, but if you play slots at betcoin.ag, then you automatically invest in their business, because they use jackpot wins for their business expenses.

Unfortunately, their business model isn't sustainable = no return of investment. :'(

i agree with you, investing in casinos can give different amount especially if casinos is not making much of money, but at least you still got profit with them but remember that in casinos you can not always take the profit sometimes the profit is not big as you can think and you need to spread your investment in other casino.

You should pick popular and trusted gambling sites you will invest, investing in long run will probably x2 or higher your capital but it's depends on gambling site if they bankroll is good, don't invest in unknown gambling probably you will got scam.

Yes, but making your own Gambling site is really an expensive one, and you are going to need people that will help you to do this, and I am sure that having one is very demanding on time, though like what you have said it is profitable, but there are also risk that you might get scam by someone, let's say the programmer who is going to program your gambling site, run off with your money after you paid him, but the contract is still on going, something like this.

It would be better if we are going to consider all the possibilities first before we go on to something that we are just new, and still don't know what to do, because just like what the saying says. the curiosity killed the cat.

Yes right, but even this topic has been discussed still the members in this community is also continuing give their response to the questions, which means its reliable topic for them and it make sense too, something like that.

There are sites or even some of the posts found in this section that keep track of the profits. So you can just visit these sites to find out more. It is easier as compare to asking the owners for the details. However, there is no promise that you will make money even though they have been profit in the past. The best is to put your btc for a long time to bear through the up and down.

This thread has the best answers I have seen so far https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1585408

what do you mean casino site only get return 1-3%/year
all online investment include gambling site or casino site is return is big, if gambling site or casino site return is proportional from gambling site profit
another gambling site minimum 10%/monthly, in cloud mining majority BEP over 1 year, or equal over 5%/month

so if you write only 1-3%/year is very low profit, nothing people interest and join to invest

No, you are not understand how investment works. Even though you are invested your money in some reputable gambling sites which offer investment option, doesn't mean you can always profited from that. If you are not lucky, your investment amount will decrease or loss because you are shared with profit/loss from that gambling site.
There is no guarantee when you invested in gambling site you will earn minimum 10%/monthly. Show me the proof which gambling site will always give you min 10% profit monthly, could you?

there is no investment that offering you a huge profit in short term .
and i do aware about it too , but when you invest a lot then it is really worth in my opinion.
run your own casino means you are investing there too lol , there is no difference :D .

Depend on what casino's you are talking about, most bitcoin dice sites that accept investment do share their stats "of course they must do that, to prove for each person the fair share of profit/loss". I do like the transparent nature but it's a must generally when you take shares from people.

Are you asking for the share profit in the casino, that the owner will give you a royalty income something like? It seems you are assuming yourself that once you invest to their casino you want a fix income daily or monthly. And for me investing in any gambling site no matter how profitable it is I don't care just for me is not a good idea, but can do it for amusement only.

This would be the right place for the discussion IMO, anyway investing is better mathematically than gambling since the house edge is in your favor, the tough question is the place to invest in, Just-dice was the obvious pick before but now it's not as easy as before to choose where to invest.

When your not sure where to invest your money due to some reasons then better diversify your money and put in few good casinos than in the longer term, your profits will increase. In investment one thing we should remember not to keep all your funds on any one site or asset because if something goes wrong, then investors may lose all of their money suddenly.

It all depends on individuals and how much risk they are ready to take to grow their money. Because I always explore more options to invest my money so I can make a good profit and reduce my losses. So I invested some portion of my bitcoins in good casino bankrolls and made some profit so far and luckily not in losses.

The worst is if you're not knowledgeable about it you will just like a crap that everything you're gonna do will just turn into waste. And this is a world of business nothing is free in this industry everything need an effort first before you gain it. And for so many option of investment why in casino? even if you invest its not worth to make profit into casino.

Well of course it would be foolish to invest without researching and knowing where you'll place your money on. It's actually worse than gambling as more likely than not you'll be throwing away your capital that could've been spent more productively. I suggest starting with established casinos or gambling sites. Your rpo may not be as big but your money is safe while you're in the process of getting the feel of things

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Investing in those casino who show their stat of shares are the legit ones in which one have to invest while it is not recommended to invest in those casino which do not show their stat because they will not pay your profit and will try to suck.

Investing indeed is one of the better choice as compare to gambling. And this has been proven to be true for me. I have experience very good returns from investing and i lost everything in gambling. There is a lot of good places to invest in for now but one warning is that not all the casino will promise profits. It also depends on the time you invest in. In the long run, it should be a profit but if you are just investing in a few months, you may not be able to taste the success.

As you have experience in this sphere, could you write a small list of recommendations for people who only want to start doing it here? Some common mistakes, for instance. And how is the investment defined to be long-term or short-term. I mean, you just give some money to the casino and what makes this money invested for short or long term after that? Is it about profit? When you choose to have more profit per month it's a short-term one and if you are patient with in then long-term? I read some stuff about in in Crypto-games investment rules but I didn't understand it well.

And if you did chose to invest in casino's you are in favor to get more profit but that depends on how much or how big your bankroll is. Safedice is the one that I see that good to invest also kingdice and crypto games. I saw a good progress of one investor on those sites and has positive result, you can check his thread here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1585408.980

Very nice suggestion mate about those gambling site because they are good in terms of investment and do have a good returns on monthly basis and if i do have the money i will diversify all of my bitcoin into different site because its better not to put all eggs in one basket. The more the better.

Yes, I'm been following this thread as well to see how investing in casino will turn out. But so far from what I've seen in there, It look like they are able to get profit from the gambling sites. It just shows that it can be done. The only way you can lose is that if the casino went bankrupt otherwise they are safe and make a profit out of it.

No casino refuses to show the stats.
It's just that some scammy ones are hiding their true stats and showing only false ones!
And there is not much you can do about it...

Yeah I agree with your idea. However, in some cases, some scams casino refuses to show stats and some even make fake data. It will be very terrible if you meet a casino like that. therefore, you must always have to check the reputation of each site before putting your money and play

yes i  also  agree that it is a good place to invest your money there, but in fact finding a trusted casino is really a  problem, but there are so may scam casino site who will take your money and will go away, therefore investing money in casino is also a risk specially if you personally do not know about the casino site.

before we make invest in casino, its better that we have a list of trusted casino and we should read the review from other people so we know what is the trusted casino so we can minimize our risk to getting scam by casino. i think there is many list of casino site that we can get on here or out there so we can choose the good one. after we have a good list, then we should decide how much we want to invest and my suggestion is only use money that we afford and that money should be free from anything.

Satoshidice scam, 500+ Bitcoins defrauded and disappeared! (https://game-protect.com/satoshidice-scam/)

Yes it's not good to put all eggs into one basket. Because you need to maximize your bitcoins to get good profit from it. And if you are going to look on that way of investing you should relay on some experts on this type of investment like the thread that I gave. The higher amount you'll invest, the higher return will possible get back on you.

Don't expect any fixed income from these casino bankroll investments because sometimes it may take quite long time to give you good profits. But by diversifying surely one can increase the profit making chances but still, I suggest don't enter into these investments if one is looking for some fixed income on a monthly basis.

That was a investment return which is guaranteed and no risk it is kind if like bank. I also agree that gambling sites provide really good returns but lately I'm bit scared to invest in them because of scams. I have tried yolodice from yesterday and leverage 1 let's see if it's profitable after a month or not.

Investing in casinos will give you more profit than Bank. The banks will give very less percentage of your investment, but it is safe. You can trust them, and you can invest for a long time. But investing on casinos is not good for the long term we can not predict the site performance for the long term. But if you keep on watching your investments and you know when to withdraw your investment you can try casino investment.

There are ways to manage risk and therefore investing in casinos are very attractive, it will give us a consistent income as they consistently win all the time. Now, if an investor does not want to take that kind of risk, he is free do it with banks and get a little return of his money.
As for me, I need to take bigger risk as my money is not fit for low risk investment since I believe I will not grow it in a good amount in time.

Yup, where investments are indeed provide us with an advantage. But if we are wrong in taking the place for investment then everything will end up at a huge disadvantage, the Casino is a very profitable place for each investment, but also very dangerous for all people who do not understand how game (investment), better before committing investment in Casino learn it to understand the new do

Finding a reputable casinos is not a hard job to do, we have threads here dedicated for a specific casinos running their business and we can always read the feedback of the people, and we have already a good understanding on where to invest. Though it does not guarantee that we are scam free but at least we are confident with what we are doing. Moreover, we need to diversify our investments.

If we do not have bitcointalk forum, I believe there would be only fewer chances for us to have or to identify reliable casino. There are some third party services on gambling site's review but they are biased and  sponsored.

Definitely I will not even think about investing into a gambling site which is not maintaining their trust score here in this forum. What their business levels or hectic schedules, they must have answer for people's questions and doubts in this forum so that I can conclude them trusted and will invest with them.

if you take a look on how a lot of casino making profit then you don't have to feel confused to understand how investment works , simply you will get profit sharing when you decide to inject your money to their bankroll .

casino get profit = you get it too , what else you should to be understand?

There is also some website that keeps track of all these btc casino. The site provides daily volume of gambling, the daily amount of btc wages, and the profit etc. They have already declare that their choices of btc casino is strict and certain casino is not allow to be part of it cause they try to false some data.

can you tell us that site name, it is easy to check our investment site status? This information is enough to make an investment on any site. And yes if bitcoin talk forum not here means we will face a lot of problems in investing and if any one site cheat customers means people will not stop to focus on investing.

although all types of investments are risky as there are more chance that our will lose your money in investment and trading but without taking risk it is also not possible to make money from investment and trading. so if you want to make money you need to invest your money in trading. i myself invested a good amount of my assets in bitcoin.

Yeah, there's no fix income from casino bankrolls. But if you did invested with so many casino's depending on the amount you are going to deposit, that's better. Investing in casino's are just good if you got some decent way of earning and you are already stable from it. But if you will hope your living there, it's not the right place.

He probably did not want to give us the link, because betcoin.ag is exluded. Betcoin.ag false and misleading claim on their website to have 10000s forum members and send false data about their traffic to pokerscout.com.

Pokerscout still show the same statistic, while their Alexa Global Rank dropped 62% recently! Something is odd here. >:(

Let us talk about a Bitcoin poker room in free fall, betcoin.ag (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1788234.0)

Yeah i think the forums here are a bug help if we're just trying to research on what sites can we trust our capitals on. The good thing with bitcointalk and other forums like this is we get inputs from a lot of people who actually have different experiences already and not just relying on a site's own information. Here we can get negative and positive insights and experiences that can help us decide wisely on which sites we'll trust

The website did not state the reason why he did not include certain btc casino but i remember he did explain it in this forum when someone question about it. And the reason given is valid so that is why a lot of people especially btc casino investor are quite reliable on the website. Overall, the up and down on the investment fund tally with the site too.

If you are going to put all your investment in one place so you will remain restricted and there will be more chance to lose most of your by investing your all money in one place.

But if you are going to  invest  your  money in different places so if your one investment goes there are more chance that your other investment will increase. So, it will be good decision to invest your money in different places.

Yolodice is doing fairly well if you check the investment thread you will see it there as well as biggest and kingdice. There is one more I forget its name. The biggest and only risk for casinoes is the casino closing and running away. This you cannot know but if I were investing lots of bitcoin I would want to k ow as much as I can like who the owner is where he loves how I can contact him and things like that. Perhaps a legal agreement too.

i think its better to spread our investment because we don't know the gambling site will be online until how long and if the bad thing is happen, then we still have another investment. to avoid this, we need to make research about the good gambling site so we can stay safe while our investment is running.

I think what he means we should understand how investment work first is not about how we can get profit, but rather how "transparency" between investor and casino once we invested our money in a gambling/casino site. This is why Baryom, as Bitsler's admin also curious about this https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1787647.0
And about "Huge disadvantage" what he said too, i am sure he means we must know which site we want to invest (that site must trusted obviously), or our investment will gone when admin from that site ran away.

True because investing in a casino is no doubt a very profitable venture, but since we have witnessed that there are casinos in the past that there are gambling sites that ran away with the money of investors, it is necessary that we also do a background investigation on how reputable the site we are trusting our money, and  even if they are trusted enough, putting all our fund in one casino would not reduce the risk, diversification must be done.

Diversifying your funds is very good thing to do in investments. Because one can lose money not only a casino can cheat investors, but there are chances that anyone can win a big amount then investors will lose a lot of money. So if you diversify your funds, then you can reduce these losses.

Yes there is no doubt about this that investment in casino is a good investment, but in fact it is very difficult to select a trusted casino. Because there are more chances that some scammed casino will take your investment, therefore I think it is much important to investigate about a casino before investing your money there.

Investing into casino must be a better idea than gambling still most gamblers will not prefer as they want only core gambling and not any other idea.

Investing in casino's bankroll is one very good long-term investment.

But, you need to:
- Able to afford losing it. Like in every investment.
- Choose very carefully casinos.
- Able to not touch it for >6 months.

My only advice for you if you're going to invest in an online gambling site is to make sure you understand their money management criteria.  You need to know how much of your investment is at risk during each event.  Sometimes these sites don't follow a sound bankroll management scheme and there are sharks out there who take advantage of that incompetence.  A popular bankroll management scheme is the Kelly Criterion....understand that formula at very least.

You can add up also that you will not just depend your profit with investing in casino's. Mostly people that are investing in casino's have their own other types of investments which can be a support to their daily lives. That is why they can sustain to invest into other investments. Also make sure that you'll invest volumes in casino's not portion.

Actually if you will have to read all the tips in becoming successful in investing in a casino, there are really plenty of it, but in the end, still our decision will matter because along the way we have experience different ups and downs and that would be very vital for our decision making.
I believe we have different experience although we are acknowledging the same tips because we have unique ways of implementing it.

I always thought that by diversifying you risk more, because there's more chances that something bad will happen to at least one of casinos, like hacking, exit scam, fake win fraud, etc. If you invested only in 1-2 places you will lose almost everything in that situation, but if everything will be alright, you will have your profit. But when you diversify you will be more likely to lose one of your investments, and profit from other investments will be barely enough to cover your lose.

Apparently you are not into any form of investment. Even in real world investment, it is always good to diversify your profile, so you are not prone to one kind of threat that can wipe you out. Unless you are 100% sure that this casino will 100% give you profit then you go all in. But most of the case is that we are not sure, even people are making money from casino investment, there is still a lot of people suffer losses for it.

How specifically can a "shark" take advantage of a -EV house edge? The Kelly Criterion is to make sure that the casino will not lose the hole bankroll, but the player will never have an advantage while playing with -EV!

Sharks take advantage against fishes in poker. You obviously mixed here something!

Yes that's why I'm saying that putting all of your investments into one place is not going to be a good thing. We really need to maximize our time and investment when it comes to this matters. Because if you will into the same very places you are not going to be profitable with it and you can have more chance of losing of your capital.

If you have a small amount of money, you should only invest in one place. Analyzing will help you a lot in choosing the best place to put your money in. There are hundreds of casinos and I still can recognize that bitsler and crypto-games are one of the best in the gambling field. However, only Crypto-games accepts players to invest their money while Bitsler seems do not like this idea much

Investing in reputable casinos is a good idea but I think you are misunderstanding how it works, the casino does not guarantee you are going to make any profit at all, in fact you can get losses, there is not a fixed amount of money you can get, one day you could earn 10% of your investment and the next day you lose 15%.

Investment in casinos is a good idea to me especially if you are going to be involved long term as it is profitable and will yield results but those looking for interim profits should look away from casinos. I'll have to grow my bankroll a little bit before I venture into casinos as that will be my next source of income after mining.

Obviously depositing your money in banks cannot give you a good profit in form of interest. While investment in bitcoin or trading altcoins can give you a good profit. But investment and trading is also more risky compared to simply saving in banks.

But I feel investing into casino might get you better benefits than banks but lesser than trading. But risk levels is depending on how hard you research and choose a casino.

actually investing in a casino is better than putting your money in the bank , if things went good of course cause there is variance
in general investing in gambling sites is good but you don't have to take it seriously cause you will face a lot of ups and downs
for me at least investing in the casinos is better than letting the coins in the wallet doing nothing , but everyone has his own opinion

Almost had same oppinion with both of you, but from what i know most popular online casinos were own by only a several big company also with big money, it will make us need very2 big money to invest on any casino to start get revenue and will more harder than invest/saving on general bank..

That's is the reason you should put your money in many products to reduce your losses. If you think that even with diversifying your funds you can't make a profit in the longer term then you can't invest your money in any investments. Because all investments come with some risks and we have to manage those risks to grow our money. The more your diversify, you got a better chances of making profits.

Diversifying on many investments is really ideal and as you said if that thing didnt work out then try again to scratch and make good research about investments since  even you have many investments and those are just good for short terms and not doing well and even give you negative profits then it would be still useless at all and as an investor its really our responsibility to seek always for good investments.

Regardless on how you called yourself, you can never take advantage on the house edge that's why they are operating in a profitable way. Sharks can bet big and only if they are lucky will they can cash out a big amount of money.What you have that you should not worry is the edge every time this sharks roll the dice, you'll not be guaranteed a win but having an edge will give you more chances to win.

The last point is simply not true, many casinos allow you to withdraw your money any time you want and you dont need to be invested with them for any fixed periods of time, but it is true that the longer you maintain your investment in the casino the chances of turning a profit get higher.

Yes now all casinos are allowing investors to withdraw their money at any time. Only some old casinos have this condition. And yes if you have big capital investment is the best source to make a profit in the long term. But you must choose the right casino to invest, and you keep on track your investment. Becasue nowadays the reputed casinos suddenly they will turn into a loss. So be careful before investing any casino site.

Although it is not such an easy job to find a trusted casino, but I think bitcointalk can make it easy for you to find a trusted casino, where you can invest your money in a trusted casino. But still you also need to do some investigation about the casino where are you are going to invest our money.

This is the point even veteran investors get failed because no one can be sure all the times about the future of one business. Even long searches also fail in this case.

Bitcointalk community are active in determining what is a scam Casino site and what is not.  This is also the reporting spot of those who are scammed and give warning to the possible victim of the scam.  About investment I think there is some thread here that updates its statistics on different casinos that they put an investment.  I just forgot the link though sorry for that.

what does it mean "i forgot the link"!!!! do you memorize them :D
that topic is usually in the first 3 pages, you can also always find it through search function, and here is the link (on the first page): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1585408.0

@justdimin what do you find hard about finding a trusted casino? it is a piece of cake. you open google.com and search the name of the casino or game that you want to play then add "Site:bitcointalk.org" in the end to find the announcement topic or possible scam accusation against them!
in the end you open up the website itself and check their provably fair system too.

That's another case, having small amount of bitcoins and wanting to maximize it for investing with various casino's. Then that's a very hard thing to do, you can simply invest it on a specific legit and trusted casino. Bitsler and crypto-games are legit and good casino's to invest but there are also new aspiring ones like kingdice.

When one got a small amount than should start first with anyone trusted the site and slowly start investing profits on another site as well. But keeping all your money in any one site is not a good investment strategy. Becuase any time one can win big amount then all your profits may suddenly drain up. So you can start with one site but as soon as possible you start diversifying your funds.

yes here we can get some help about bitcoin, as most of the people here are actively playing gambling, therefore we can get good help from bitcointalk about gambling.

Just like what we have discussed earlier, if you do have small amount it's fine to put on a single site. And to make those newbie investors pursue their investment with casino's it's better to follow some thread of experts on this type of investment. I do believe that not all newbies will start in small amount there are some that can invest on higher amount.

It can be a good idea only if you analyze it the same way as investing in any other bussiness. The house always wins rule doesn't apply here at all.

The house wins vs. the player. Not in total. There are plenty examples in Atlantic City in recent years. The casino has plenty of expenses to cover  - royalties to software provider, processing fees, winners, fraud, support and marketing which can take 50% of the budget. Not to mention that most won't share all the details with you so you are kindof blind.

If you think online casinos are such a good investment then the best way is through the stock market. I have stocks of 888 since they were in 100p area (now at 234) and Playtech. For example investing in NetEnt 5-6 years ago when their slots where added to almost every non-usa casino was a good idea (the stock is 5x since ).

ahh fair enough , i just get it now lol . it is indeed a transparency needed , but how can a casino owner make it more transparent? as there stated already about how much a casino profit isn't it? i don't think there is a way to make it more transparent .

so you have to choose a casino that you really know well about the casino owner, and fully trust on them, interesting opinion from NLnico there btw.

While diversifying where your money is invested is great if your capital is too low you run the risk of your small earnings being eaten by fees so it is better in that case to just invest in a single casino, it is more risky but there is not much you can do.

There are people that are still starting when it comes to investing in casino's and they don't want to maximize what they got. So as a starting amount for trying, they are just investing small amount which is a very good thing for them. Because they'll know that the smaller amount you'll invest, smaller returns you also get.

indeed invest casino can generate a decent income, but have a lot to choose and find information about the casino will be selected and the selection of casino licenses that are dicasino itself, if not choose carefully, it is a high risk will be obtained.

[1]That's still questionable until now
[2]Yes, it is about how to prove real casino's profit.
[3]Yes, his explanation always great as always, but from his explanation, we must trust the auditor, not with site owner (Although you have long been acquainted with the owner). I think it's fair enough.

i am agree if we make invest in casino then in the long term we can make profit if we follow with the house. there are too many good reputable site that we could invest but they have different amount to invest so i think you need to determine how much you want to invest and remember don't invest the money that you don't prepare to loss if one day the site become to scam you.

I also agree with you, no efforts are not in decline or loss, may not be scams, but suffered a loss or not sold

You know recently i invest in some investment site, and they said they will give me double amount, with month and in one week they pay me and than stop to paying, its mean it is scam site, that's why i have no interest on it.
But i am agree on casino investment, because i never hear anything bad about gambling sites. These all are trust-able sites and mostly gambling sites are popular, So if we invest on casino sites than i think it is better than invest in investment sites.     

investing money in casino sight is good but still it is too much risky and specially if you do not know about the casino, because here are so much scam casino sights where they are just collecting money form the people and then disappear. therefore you need to have good study about the gambling site and only then you can invest money there.

It's better to invest in website which is most trustful and with huge traffic but there is only one problem. There doesn't exist fair casino investment, I don't say that they will lie you but there is possibility to manually play and lost some money in order to don't pay profit to investors. On another side everything is fine but if you have huge amount of money to invest in casinos, it's better to build new one for you with perfect team of developers.

It's risky if you are lack of experience and the risk taking ability. But believe me just do invest into reliable and reputable casino's. Many are making good interest from them monthly depending on how much you will invest with them. And the advantage will always on you because the we know that gamblers will always lose in the long run and the house will benefit.

This days when information is very open is very transparent, I don't think there are still people who will fall victim to invest in shady casinos. By using this forum you can already get important tips and information as a basis of your investing, and since casinos are increasing fast, you have more options where to invest and you can diversify your investments.

NLNico has that idea since 2014 , and so far there is no solution to make casino bankroll investment totally fair. there always pros and cons also advantage & disadvantage to take his idea to audit the casino profit , really a tough problem to solve .

so i can say that right now a casino owner could make a false profit calculation , nothing we can do to verify it right?

Creating a new bitcoin casino is not easy at all there are many established casinos already, there is a lot of competition and the market although it grows every single day is limited so I cannot blame those that you just want to invest their money and get some earnings instead of creating their own casinos.

True, by investing in a web site that consistently is the best and it will definitely give you an advantage for us. Because sites that have consistently good is a site that does really sites engaged in the investment and not a scam. But it would be better to keep a distance to the site of the investment have not even 1 year old, because sometimes there are a few sites fastening consistently but after getting very large funds finally they scam

Of course there are still people that can possibly be a victim of those shady casino's. Don't think that all of the people has experience in investing there and knows that there are shady ones. There would be newcomers that will always be ignorant about this matters and it will be a negligence of that newbie if he didn't do some research before investing.

Every investment comes with some degree of a risk, so I personally took as a rule for myself to never invest more than I can afford to lose. It's nice to have a passive income, but if you have invested a significant portion of your saving, than potential damage from losing your investment due to various reasons (exit scams, hacks, bitcoin crash etc.) would outweigh any potential gains. There nothing that can guarantee you safety for sure, even sites with long history can turn into scam in some day.

Speaking of newcomers there would be people like that will go invest directly without any proper preparations and research because if they can already saw the others feedbacks on how profitable on investing on a casino they will carelessly find some casinos to invest their money even without knowing its reputation that's why the risk of losing money is very high.

Everything should be considered and it's not wise to think that there is a guaranteed profit despite casinos are very profitable, the longer we put our money the bigger the risk and we know games are played that way. What you can guarantee to yourself is the house always win and you side with them but other than that, negative things can happen to define the fact that you are taking the risk.

It's their problem if they are going to invest immediately and they aren't going to do certain proper preparations. Remember that investing will always be a risky thing and they need to do some research for themselves. Because we always know that investing is such a hard thing without background especially in bankroll casino'.s

This will depend on which casino games site you are going to choose in. Then if you want to have an at least small income in the casino, I think you still to invest in the casino for you to have percentage or else when everything turns into losses of money, in the end of course the number 1 will get benefit on it was the house  edge.

Not just casino, it`s important how much OP is planing to invest. There is informations about casino income, how many players there are, profit they make or how much they lose, all informations are available. I think its a good idea to invest in casino if you are already rich, and you can invest a lot of money in casino. You risk more, but profit will be higher cause you only get some percents, how much you plan to invest your  income will be proportional to that.

You dont need so much to invest. Yolodice has a minimum of 0.01 btc and that is a decent amount to begin with. I reccomemd 0.1btc that will bring in a few dollars a month. That is a good return. Much better then these scams and you can see all the calculations used to calculate the way your investment return is made.

But I suggest don't invest in these casino bankrolls for every month sure profits because sometimes they do give losses and one need to wait for longer time to recover those lost money. But surely in the long run everyone can make decent profits. If you want to reduce your losses then don't invest all your money in any single site but invest in few good sites then your profit making chances will be higher.

chances of profits would really be higher when you do invest on multiple gambling sites which you could really make an advantage on this method. Be sure to invest huge amounts so that you would able to feel the returns on your investments.

When we do plan on investing on gambling site bankrolls we should always seek for the most reputable gambling sites that do accept investors. Yes,there is always a risk when we are talking about investment and we cant remove that thing.

Yes that's the best thing for us and newcomers in investing to casino's to do. But don't forget that there are newly operating casino's. And yet, they are being trusted already by so many investors. It's up to us if you will rely on those sites. Just always do the research and get some help from other investors here who are experts already.

That's because they have a very good system and a marketing plan, people trusted them because investors believe they can easily get their ROI.
Normally those who are successful are casinos who runs their ICO and they have a different system on the existing one.
Edgeless casinos are one that has a big potential to grow now as people are looking for something that hey can have a good winning chance.

I know of three casinos which you can invest into right from their account balance.
Cryptogames, bitdice and yolodice( :-[ ) if there are anymore where you can take what you have deposited to your account straight to investing into the site then let me know because I would love to know which other ones I can but some spare bitcoins I have sitting my wallet. :)

It's very attracting to invest with those casino's that has a very good system and marketing plan. As of now, I'm seeing some of them and excelling along their way of operation. When it comes to ICO I rarely see casino's offering some of their stake, most of the casino's related investment are just with their bankroll casino's.

Though it's true that the house wins in the end but actually the house can also loose at times. I know the chances of happening that is less but rather than blocking your money in a casino for like 0.01% return daily I think its much better to gamble of your own and trust your luck.

Actually site has a big bankroll and your little bitcoins you invest are like 1% and hence the profit share is 1% of 1% means like 0.01 and then the commission of site.

The only problem that comes to my mind is that the house can still cheat you, not just by scamming and running away but rather in a much smarter way.

Basically it was discussed in some other thread also, suppose client sets the seed and site sets the server seed then the site can gamble of their own and since they know both the seeds they will show as if the gambler won a lot of money.

That is obvious most of the casinos only pay you as long as their profitable and the day they start getting loses which is very rare they take their investors money.
While bank is something which normally give 7-8% guaranteed every year plus there is like 1-2% chance of getting scammed.

in fact different casinos have different rules and regulation. and if you want to invest your money there in casino then you must have to follow their rules and regulation and only then you join their casino.

Yeah making a casino is a totally different thing since that would mean you own something while investing in a casino means you just have to pay little fees to the casino from your profits and in return you don't have to take all the mental stress about hacking, hijacking, scamming, ddos, etc.

While making a new casino also requires a lot of promotion and time to firm its root in this gambling section.

We know about it, since they are the ones who are operating and not you. It's just a matter of trust and choosing the best trusted and reliable site that you are going to invest. I do trust the sites that I'm investing and I will going to invest in my bitcoins. This is passive income but the monitoring is still needed with it.

Everything you need is money if you plan to start operating your own, if you do not have enough budget, just don't enter into that business. It's profitable to have since you have the edge and you will win most of the time but the need of capital is vita for success and factors like marketing is costly as well. Think twice before putting otherwise you will be wasting your money, better invest if you cannot afford to make your own yet.

Nothing is easy in business, if you want to create your website, then you must ready to face all problems in future. For this, you need huge investment. For this, you don't limit your budget. You must have enough money to run an own casino. If you don't care your money and you have huge money to invest if it gone also no problem then take risk and make website. 

I was among the very enthusiastic guys who like to invest in those casinos. But friend with time I have learnt that almost all the casinos that take your investments are made to scam you at the end of their life span, I mean the site's life span. Tell me one casino that has a happy ending, I mean that has been closed and yet has no issues during its close.

You can see diceninja and a lot more who ended up scamming even though were running very fluently.

Hey, it's not a good advertise for your signature casino.  ;D

But you are right, there are many scammers as casino owners, they don't matter with our investment, they close the doors with our money inside and there is nothing we can do about it. It's something to think twice before start investing.
You will give your money to the casino, there is not a fixed payrate, you are risking your money sometimes for too low interest that is better to don't invest. However, if I had sure about a casino owner legitimacy that he wouldn't steal my money I would invest all my money for sure without doubts.

That goes to the non-reputable Casino i guess.  I have not invested any of my BTC in a casino though I wonder if ever I invested to it, does the statistics of Casino, win and lose, reported in a sheet that is available to the investor to inspect?  I guess this is needed, if this is not available then there is  chance that this Casino reputable or not are cheating us the result of bets.

Everything in online you will never know if they are not cheating us because we do not have any history even the history of the site we do not know..
Well you can test by your self every bitcoin casino who are offering investment if you are not profiting by them better to go stay away.. before all of your money exhausted.. that is why there are some cases that you need to test every casino website and experiment if you are gaining stay and if not go away..  there is no investment that no risk everything in investment online or not except in banks are risky..

Well then I guess we should rather read reviews and feedbacks of investors with valid proof and points.  It will be a waste of time and money to check every Casino if their investment program is good or not.  I agree with you about the risk involved in every investment but I guess there is way to mitigate or minimize it.

Right, I wouldn't call investing in a casino "income", it's not reliable enough for that. Investing in stocks, for instance, is already shaky for "income" but at least has a consistent uptrend. While casino investing also has an uptrend, it's a lot less consistent and a lot smaller than the uptrend of other things you could invest in. It's not really worth it.

Your asking a very personal information about their income, and if ever there is chance that they will give you a profit fix monthly, for sure there is a condition between you and the casino owner. It could be you need to invest to their casino as a partnership to them. And investing in casino if this a good way, this will depend on you of how the gambler give it an interpretation.

I guess that is not too personal, besides we do now know each other here and the OP is soliciting an opinion that is based on real experience as his basis for his plan to invest. Investing in casinos in general are really profitable but it depends on how much you are willing to risk, the more the better income you receive in return. This could give you a fixed income as casinos wins most of the time.

wut!!! how is tha a personal question!
when you invest or want to invest in a business, no matter what it is, you are allowed to ask all these questions about how much they earn, what they have and how they are earning it. they are asking for your hard earned money so your are entitled to ask as many questions as you want to make sure that business is going to make you money and it is safe enough to trust with your money in first place.

Yeah. asking the daily income of a casino before investing is not personal, it is a usual question from the investor, Because if i'm an investor, why will i invest on that casino if i don't have any idea what will be the probable profit that i will get on investing to that casino, But there is no guarantee that the casino will tell the real possible profit of the casino because it is unpredictable and many casino will tell a hyperbolic profit so that they can have many investor

I'm investing for almost a year and do monthly withdrawals, never had a loss at the end of the month, my profits were in 1-5% range per month. In my opinion that's pretty reliable and safe, and also the price of BTC increased more than 2 times since I have started investing. You just need to do a bit of research about how casino work, and how their betting volumes and bankroll sizes affect your potential profit. And anyway, don't invest more than you can afford to lose, every investment comes with some degree of risk.

Really?
Please share with me your knowledge of stocks that are getting a consistent uptrend xD
Cause for me casino is much less random than stocks! Cause you can't beat the maths

you may have to refer back to what exactly the meaning of an investment, and then you could judge by yourself if building a new casino considered as investment too or not. for me as long as you have a purpose to grow your money buy put it on certain business and it's enough to consider anything as investment. the other things like managing the site how to promote it , create a good team etc it's just another business.

Investing on casinos is very ideal if you do have the money to put on and we sure to diversify it on many sites.It may not give you big amounts of profits each month but on constant basis there might be losses but majority is profit because we do know gambling houses is always profitable.

Yes but if you invest in a good casino then the bankroll there is already huge and it will take a lot of time before you get the profit. During this time, a good casino may easily turn into a bad one or just shut down whereas some casino which is now brand new will be great and trusted then. So it's really hard to decide in which casino to invest. I guess investing in altcoins is a bit easier than this.

That's the risk everyone is thinking but if you will let that as your hindrance in your plan to invest in online casinos then you will never gonna make it.
Try to be a risk taker and learn how to minimize the risk, it's good to invest in casinos actually as they will surely provide sure profit due to house edge they have. For you to minimize the risk, you need to diversify your investments in different casinos and your problem is solve.

I definitely agreed on this statement, true that in every casino any time you want you can withdraw you balance, and besides  there's no casino gambling were it can give you a profit which is fix. you can only invest but it doesn't mean you can have a profit in a long term.

You can never tell for sure which altcoin will bring you profit and which altcoin will be dumped, so i don't think it is easier. Also, in casino you can expect positive return in long run. But yeah, if you want to make profit from investment in casino you will need bigger bankroll, or invest in casino with lower global bankroll.

These options impress many people to invest in gambling sites, suppose if any conditions are there like to invest min 6 months or more. This type of conditions people not agree and people do not trust this type of sites easily. We can withdraw money whenever we want that is why the sites are getting many investors. But the profit depends on your luck and site performance. Sometimes you will get good profit and some time not you should be ready for this then only you can invest your money.