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Title: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on April 16, 2013, 11:56:08 AM
Based on my overall assessment of sentiment and fundamentals vs. price, with exponential growth since Jan. 2013 as the baseline trend outlook. Updated when I feel like it.


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on April 16, 2013, 11:57:34 AM
-5%


($58/BTC; Mild capitulation / mildly negative bubble, still may be some substantial capitulation to work through)


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: afbitcoins on April 16, 2013, 12:16:38 PM
I've done some more analysis and think its actually more like

-4.333


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on April 16, 2013, 12:21:03 PM
I think your analysis is closest to mine of anyone on these forums, so it's good we got close to the same figures. (Unless that was tongue-in-cheek ;D)


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: afbitcoins on April 16, 2013, 01:42:48 PM
I'm afraid you overestimated me, i just picked a number out of thin air.  :-[

So is yours a real number? what does it mean?


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: IIOII on April 16, 2013, 02:13:40 PM
-5%

Disagree here.

Actually it's:

-5%


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: arepo on April 16, 2013, 03:19:27 PM

clearly you guys are incorrect
[size=16]so the answer to the formula is [/size]][/font](5%5-5%)%[color]/]

it is self evident in this ch[size=18]a[/szie][size= 22pt]rt[/size]

http://s24.postimg.org/6dhewsop1/CHHERT.png

BTCBTCBTC


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: checkers6676 on April 16, 2013, 03:21:10 PM

clearly you guys are incorrect
[size=16]so the answer to the formula is [/size]][/font](5%5-5%)%[color]/]

it is self evident in this ch[size=18]a[/szie][size= 22pt]rt[/size]

http://s24.postimg.org/6dhewsop1/CHHERT.png

BTCBTCBTC

I am up 1200% since yesterday by following arepo's posts


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Bitmeat on April 16, 2013, 03:25:51 PM

clearly you guys are incorrect
[size=16]so the answer to the formula is [/size]][/font](5%5-5%)%[color]/]

it is self evident in this ch[size=18]a[/szie][size= 22pt]rt[/size]

http://s24.postimg.org/6dhewsop1/CHHERT.png

BTCBTCBTC

I am up 1200% since yesterday by following arepo's posts

The man is a goddam genius. Once you learn to read his charts, and get a feel for his advanced analytics skill, you'll make some major profits!


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: IIOII on April 16, 2013, 03:30:59 PM

clearly you guys are incorrect
[size=16]so the answer to the formula is [/size]][/font](5%5-5%)%[color]/]

it is self evident in this ch[size=18]a[/szie][size= 22pt]rt[/size]

http://s24.postimg.org/6dhewsop1/CHHERT.png

BTCBTCBTC

That's true! The 5-edged yellow skewed diamond is actually a very bullish pattern!


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: michaelGedi on April 16, 2013, 04:14:20 PM
the hardest I've laughed in about 10 days  :D


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: proudhon on April 16, 2013, 04:16:28 PM

clearly you guys are incorrect
[size=16]so the answer to the formula is [/size]][/font](5%5-5%)%[color]/]

it is self evident in this ch[size=18]a[/szie][size= 22pt]rt[/size]

http://s24.postimg.org/6dhewsop1/CHHERT.png

BTCBTCBTC

One of the more sensible TAs on bitcoin I've seen in the past few years.


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Xer0 on April 16, 2013, 04:22:02 PM
not laughed so hard since HowToBasic :D


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: sunblaster on April 16, 2013, 04:23:43 PM

clearly you guys are incorrect
[size=16]so the answer to the formula is [/size]][/font](5%5-5%)%[color]/]

it is self evident in this ch[size=18]a[/szie][size= 22pt]rt[/size]

http://s24.postimg.org/6dhewsop1/CHHERT.png

BTCBTCBTC

Bull up-side-down! I see what you did there, triple move


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on April 16, 2013, 06:38:01 PM
0%


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: ineededausername on April 16, 2013, 10:30:59 PM

clearly you guys are incorrect

so the answer to the formula is (5%5-5%)%

it is self evident in this chart

http://s24.postimg.org/6dhewsop1/CHHERT.png

BTCBTCBTC


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: afbitcoins on April 16, 2013, 10:47:09 PM
Hahaha love that technical analysis  :P


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: vite on April 17, 2013, 12:31:00 AM
Hahaha love that technical analysis  :P


+1


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on April 17, 2013, 03:27:16 AM
0%


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: smoothie on April 17, 2013, 04:20:05 AM

clearly you guys are incorrect
[size=16]so the answer to the formula is [/size]][/font](5%5-5%)%[color]/]

it is self evident in this ch[size=18]a[/szie][size= 22pt]rt[/size]

http://s24.postimg.org/6dhewsop1/CHHERT.png

BTCBTCBTC


I ROFLED! hahahaha good one!  ;D ;D


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on April 17, 2013, 03:12:12 PM
0%

Is this some sort of percent deviation from the aforementioned trendline? You should post a pic of the trendline in the OP for reference!

It's that plus a bunch of other subjective things I sense and observe. But you're right, I should post a chart. Computer is in the shop, using smartphone for everything. Too lazy for image editing using Skitch or something now.

+5%


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: blueberry on April 18, 2013, 01:27:44 AM
I think sentiment is now pretty balanced between bulls and bears in the $90-$110 range. I was surprised the price dropped to $50 yesterday. Luckily, I took advantage of the panic and bought more bitcoins.


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on April 18, 2013, 04:23:56 PM
0%

Is this some sort of percent deviation from the aforementioned trendline? You should post a pic of the trendline in the OP for reference!

It's that plus a bunch of other subjective things I sense and observe. But you're right, I should post a chart. Computer is in the shop, using smartphone for everything. Too lazy for image editing using Skitch or something now.

+5%

You should split it into two numbers, subjective metric and percent deviation metric  ;D

Good idea, perhaps. Calculating...


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on April 19, 2013, 06:07:13 AM
+30%


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: fitty on April 19, 2013, 06:17:47 AM
How the fuck do you go from -5% to 30% in two days? Because the price went up? Why not just link to the current MtGox USD value of Bitcoin.

No shit it's +30%, BTC is skyrocketing. That +30% would have been more useful before the rally, like when you were posting -5%.

+30%


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: fitty on April 19, 2013, 06:23:58 AM
He isn't predicting any future information, he is measuring current bubble-ness. I think it is largely based off the relatively consistent exponential growth line from January to mid March. So we are 30% higher than that trend would predict for this point in time.

So it's completely useless? Keep us updated then!


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on April 19, 2013, 08:07:27 AM
See OP for the methodology. It's a number pulled from my nether-reaches, with a basic grounding in exponential growth since January, tempered by news, sentiment here and on reddit, a few obvious technical considerations, and various miscellaneous indicators that remain in an exponential trend.

In a rapid upsurge, like today, there isn't enough time for most of those things to change so the Bubble-o-Meter will often look similar to a simple percentage change from the exponential trendline (note that it's a lot lower than that right now; the change off exponential is pushing 60% now - at the end of the day this meter is just my personal assessment).

Whether 30% should be taken as a sign to sell, and how much to sell, depends on your portfolio and goals. I don't day trade, so it has to exceed 50% to get my attention.


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Vandroiy on April 19, 2013, 09:28:36 AM
I think it is largely based off the relatively consistent exponential growth line from January to mid March. So we are 30% higher than that trend would predict for this point in time.

lol... drawing straight lines on logscale again?

I remember seeing that approach in 2011, by which we'd be at some quadrillions of dollars per Bitcoin by now.


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Zaih on April 19, 2013, 09:32:32 AM

clearly you guys are incorrect
[size=16]so the answer to the formula is [/size]][/font](5%5-5%)%[color]/]

it is self evident in this ch[size=18]a[/szie][size= 22pt]rt[/size]

http://s24.postimg.org/6dhewsop1/CHHERT.png

BTCBTCBTC

Perfect. Just perfect.

We need more analysis like you, sir.


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: DrG on April 19, 2013, 09:40:55 AM
That's plagiarism, my 3 year old drew that!  >:(


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Zangelbert Bingledack on April 19, 2013, 04:00:34 PM
I think it is largely based off the relatively consistent exponential growth line from January to mid March. So we are 30% higher than that trend would predict for this point in time.

lol... drawing straight lines on logscale again?

I remember seeing that approach in 2011, by which we'd be at some quadrillions of dollars per Bitcoin by now.

As long as the fundamentals continue to grow exponentially, yes. In 2011 the fundamentals were not growing in concert with the price.


Title: Re: Zangelbert's Bubble-o-Meter
Post by: Gabi on April 19, 2013, 04:10:42 PM
Epic!