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The issue of immigration is big in the news at the moment, in Europe and the US.

There seems to be two camps in this debate:

(A)
Those that feel that the current levels of immigration are detrimental to (low paid) wage earners and/or local culture/civilization and access to immigrate needs to be qualified and restricted more than is the case today.

and


(B)
Those that feel that in general, immigration is a good, necessary and desirable phenomenon that stokes our economy and enriches our culture. Freedom of movement is the end goal.


So my question here is, if we were to take case (B) to the extreme and take away ALL National borders tomorrow, allowing freedom of movement of everyone in the world....

What would happen?

If there were no borders then we would see this in every European city x100. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et-6w_BDdc4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et-6w_BDdc4)

There would be looting, crime and murder everywhere. With the exception of North America. Trump's wall will block them coming from the south, the Atlantic will swallow them up trying to cross and well no one will go to Canada since its cold as fuck up here.

If boarders where to be taken away we would expect developed countries to get over populated in a small time frame with lawlessness and  all sorts of crimes :(  such that the immigrants will want to go back where the migrated from.

There would be an absolute chaos, people from poor countries would swarm the rich countries, making it crowded and overpopulated. Eventually those big cities would crash, leaving smaller poorer countries and towns with less people, therefore more chance of finding a job.

Shortly, chaos.

Until things come back to balance, it would be total chaos, with the current main economies to be overcrowded and crime rates spiking. Afterwards would be a good thing... but we don't know exactly how long it would take for balance to re-settle, it could mean several generations.

So after some time, maybe several generations, you think there would no no imbalances? From one state/area to another?

Eventually people would redistribute in a way that lower the asymmetries. Not a perfect World, though, the predatory and viral behavior of humans would cause some groups to try to isolate themselves by... restoring borders.

I suppose an interesting aside would be: If the world were to become border-less tomorrow... Would this change anyone's plan here?

Probably people like Kardashian family, Beyonce, J Lo, and Bieber getting raped every night several times, not that they complain or something :D :D :D.

Your second scenario is not going to happen, even in old roman times uncontrolled immigration was seen with bad eyes and that is why the romans had issues with the Gallic tribes, this is nothing new and it is simply not going to happen.

Most countries have open borders where people can visit simpler than most other countries. These are the ones where it allows business exchange or networking.

International movements are already starting to pop up shifting boundaries by connecting infastructure. In the not too distant future i'm starting to observe this happening slowly, yet steadily.

Doubtful in the extreme. One's climate has a bearing on the quality of life. There are large areas where water is limited and crops are hard to grow. Equally if society collapsed all those cold places would suddenly become a lot harder to live in.

I suppose everyone would huddle on the Canary Islands all they all starved to death.

Public sector services and immigration are incompatible. No borders = no public sector.

If we removed all borders, there would be mass chaos. People who are unhappy with their country would simply

pack up and leave. There would be mass movements accross the world, especially in areas of high immigration, such

as the Mexico-United States border. Lets say that no more political borders are created, the locations of certain

ethnicities around the world will be completely changed.

That is why this will never happen. Countries that rich will immediately go bankrupt. The prosperity of the country is primarily achieved through monetary policy. Otherwise, all countries would be poor and would not make sense to migrate.

The issue of immigrants is one of the problems facing developed countries,a lot of immigrants passing through Europe are giving them a lot of headaches,the bombing in Germany and in France is one example if the borders of most countries are taken away it will lead to  overpopulation in most advance economic, because countries with poor economy will migration to developed countries which will cause population explosion

I do not agree. Population explosion is not because developed economies will not sustain such inflow of migrants. They just collapse and developed countries in the world simply will not. Will the world of nomads.

Yeah, it would all balance out and then the rich countries would look like the poor countries. Everyone would be happy. NOT.

If there will be no borders then we must abolish the government and establish a one world government to make everything works. If there are government in every country  and there are no borders then the governments will suffer from money laundering and huge number of crimes will occur since syndicates will grow larger due to the abolition of border. In my case the abolition of border would mean a detrimental effect to different countries.

The rich countries of today aren't the rich countries of the past and won't be the rich countries of the future. The world is always changing.
And the World still can be divided by countries without borders, each with its own government, like USA or EU.
The issue is with some still too undeveloped nations' people to jump in to places where qualification is a high demand and they've none, making them indigents on their arrival.

I think it would be chaos. It would need years for people to learn how to adapt and respect other people's culture so most likely territorial wars would rage everywhere. It would be nice to think about how we can actually live without borders and live as one country but with how things are today, even if a lot of people are actually good enough to respect others, i think it would not be as beneficial as we would want it to be

We will still have ours...
https://i.imgur.com/80uImHF.jpg

Without boundaries life is not possible. Too many things that divides people. This and territorial claims of the mentality and the economic model and religious barriers. And much more. To live without borders is a utopia.

Globalization is draining best people which could lead their nations to progress, but that also starting to change as they return...

http://www.ted.com/playlists/474/the_best_hans_rosling_talks_yo?utm_campaign=social&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_content=playlist&utm_term=global-social+issues

Hans Rosling: The best stats you've ever seen

and American secret weapon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=219YybX66MY
Draining smart from poor countries...

And that idiot Turnbull is doing his best to import as many Muslims as possible. I am glad that Trump gave him a mouthful, and refused to give refugee status to any of the immigrants who ended up in Australia.

One word chaos

It would be a bit like playing chess without knowing how to play it.

Opening borders would be just a temporary thing. If the governments would come to such agreement it wouldn't be long before they started isolating themselves again. Just watch what is happening in Europe now. When the wave of refugee came many countries set up temporary blockades and border control posts. We can't have open borders due to religious and financial differences in the world.

Opening borders can potentially help but also potentially be dangerous for country. That's why we need laws and restrictions to prevent this. And by restriction, the right kind not totally flushing out immigrants. They still help out with the economy as long as they are given the right treatment. 

How can be the illegal immigrants be of any help to the economy? They don't pay any taxes, and they create extreme strain on the welfare budget. On top of that they will make the native workers jobless.

I think it will be a chaos if you taken away the border, everyone will claimed the territory and everyone will try to claimed the country with a good natural source, there will be more smuggler and criminal rate will increase, it is a bad idea to take away border

Illegal migrants do not bring any benefit to the state, but legal can be helpful. In any country there are global projects on building which can be a lot to save through the use of migrant labor.Of course, without granting them citizenship.

This is not practical in the United States, as the constitution allows birthright citizenship, even to children born to illegal immigrants. There should be an amendment to limit citizenship only to legal residents.

People are crossing those undefended borders with ease.
It is not destroying those countries but it is still illegal because they can be carrying anything in with them.