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Title: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Losvienleg on February 12, 2017, 06:42:22 PM
I would like to hear what you think about those questions :

1. Should we welcome refugees ?
2. I yes, why ?
3. How much ?
4. Would it bother you to have to host a refugee in your house ?
5. Would you like your daughter to marry a refugee  ?


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Mr. Big on February 13, 2017, 12:55:12 AM
I would like to hear what you think about those questions :

1. Should we welcome refugees ?
Why not? yes we should, as long as they are properly documented in their country before the war or other worst thing occurs in their country or their consulate in where I live recognizes them...

2. I yes, why ?
one way or another, if same thing happens to us, maybe same favor can be done by others...

3. How much ?
Maybe 1/32 of the total population of where I live? just to make sure they are not going to dominate the locals...

4. Would it bother you to have to host a refugee in your house ?
If it is for a long time, of course, it will bother me if they are staying in my house....

5. Would you like your daughter to marry a refugee  ?
If they are rich, we are sharing the same vision in politics and future of our country...

Why are you asking this? Things like this is being handled by the government and they are the one facilitating it and we should not be worrying about them too much... Are you in that situation now?  :)


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: darkangel11 on February 13, 2017, 06:07:28 AM
1. Should we welcome refugees ?
Yes, if they are willing to assimilate, respect the country's culture and law.

2. If yes, why ?
Because people should be able to seek help if their country is at war, but they should always come asking for help, not demanding it.

3. How much ?
You must mean "how many" (refugees are countable).  ;)
This is for the government to decide. They should the locations of abandoned small towns or housing areas that can be populated and jobs to be taken.
They could create camps for them, employ them (for instance in construction), so they all have jobs and can sustain themselves.

4. Would it bother you to have to host a refugee in your house ?
"have to?" Yes that would bother me because I would like to have a choice in the matter.
I would consider it if the government would cover all expenses and I were able to talk to the refugee before deciding.

5. Would you like your daughter to marry a refugee  ?
I wouldn't mind if I knew him. There are different refugees, just as there are different people.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Sithara007 on February 13, 2017, 04:53:19 PM
I would like to hear what you think about those questions :

OK

1. Should we welcome refugees ?

Genuine refugees are welcome. But I will never welcome economic migrants, such as those 1.2 million in Germany right now.

2. I yes, why ?

Genuine refugees can be admitted in small numbers, given that they have cultural and ethnic ties to the host nation.

3. How much ?

Ideally 0.01% of the total population per year.

4. Would it bother you to have to host a refugee in your house ?

No. Never.

5. Would you like your daughter to marry a refugee  ?

Hell no.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: canah17 on February 13, 2017, 05:55:49 PM
I would like to hear what you think about those questions :

1. Should we welcome refugees ?
2. I yes, why ?
3. How much ?
4. Would it bother you to have to host a refugee in your house ?
5. Would you like your daughter to marry a refugee  ?

Well i would like to answer your questions all of them :D so number one : Yes, we should because they are in shock of the war from their countries but we can't trust them that easy but we just take them as a visitor only, i know its not that simple of a task but we gotta help someone in need to gain good deeds :D.. How much? well depends on how many we can handle because some of them are children that has in shock we take full responsibility on it so many as we can handle. Well it will bother me but i would like to make them as my visitor take them as my own kind just to make them feel better :D. Well i would not because refugee's are in shock of it maybe my daughter can't handle if that refugees is going crazy about the experienced shock from the past war  that he encounter 


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Losvienleg on February 13, 2017, 06:21:50 PM
So that is interesting as here we have many points of view.

Personnally the refugees does not bother me if they are like this :

https://i.imgur.com/m818CW6.jpg

And not like this :

https://i.imgur.com/K3iz6P2.jpg

And in any case they have to come back to their country.

I would like to hear your point of view on this two points :

1. Should all refugees be treated the same ? (Sithara007 already answered this)

2. Do you agree with me that some day they have to go back to their country ?


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Fizamcc on February 13, 2017, 06:29:01 PM
So that is interesting as here we have many points of view.

Personnally the refugees does not bother me if they are like this :

https://i.imgur.com/m818CW6.jpg

And not like this :

https://i.imgur.com/K3iz6P2.jpg

And in any case they have to come back to their country.

I would like to hear your point of view on this two points :

1. Should all refugees be treated the same ? (Sithara007 already answered this)

2. Do you agree with me that some day they have to go back to their country ?
I agree with you. They should all go home. The problem is that they have at home even without the war worse off than in Europe so they don't want to go home. And work they don't want. I have no pity for them and I would not let them into Europe.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Idrisu on February 14, 2017, 07:14:49 AM
We should provide houses and financial support for refugees as we are all brothers. Sometimes after study scripture I come to understand that we are one and all of us are children of God. The world is full with the massage of hate not against Animals, trees and ocean but against humanity. Jesus Christ is the lights of the world and the only solution to the problem the world is facing today is for humanity to go back to his teaching.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Sithara007 on February 14, 2017, 08:47:45 AM
We should provide houses and financial support for refugees as we are all brothers.

No. Someone who tries to kill me and harm my family is not my brother. Most of the troubles these people have at home can be solved through family planning. They are breeding like rabbits, and that is the primary reason for this immigrant influx.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Podgor on February 14, 2017, 10:18:04 AM
Are muslim countries send the biggest scum to Europe or something?
I don't want to belive so many people can be that bad.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Xester on February 14, 2017, 10:35:31 AM
I would like to hear what you think about those questions :

1. Should we welcome refugees ?
2. I yes, why ?
3. How much ?
4. Would it bother you to have to host a refugee in your house ?
5. Would you like your daughter to marry a refugee  ?

I will welcome refugees in our house since they need a house to comfort them. But their stay will depend on some conditions that they will follow the rules and regulations of our home and they are willing to adjust in the nature of living of our family and will not hesitate to help in the household chores. I will accept them in our family and will construct a small house for them. I am not bothered that there is a refugee in my house but I dont want male refugees only women. Women are easily to handle than men.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Tyrantt on February 14, 2017, 10:42:22 AM


1. Should we welcome refugees ?
yes, depending on where do they come from and if they have an ID

2. I yes, why ?
Well refugees should be accepted if they come from a war torn country

3. How much ?
How much are there refugees from Syria

4. Would it bother you to have to host a refugee in your house ?
That would depend on him, but probably not.

5. Would you like your daughter to marry a refugee  ?
If i've had a daughter and if he's a good man and they're in love, why not


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: yoseph on February 14, 2017, 12:15:24 PM
Yes Women, Children and Old People, The rest should go and fight for their homes. Those that are accepted should be monitored extensively.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: sergeyzol on February 14, 2017, 08:10:09 PM
Yes Women, Children and Old People, The rest should go and fight for their homes. Those that are accepted should be monitored extensively.
I also agree with you. Men should fight for their country. They are not refugees they are cowards. Why let undeserving people? Wife should not receive benefits, and should be provided with job and to support themselves.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Losvienleg on February 14, 2017, 08:13:21 PM
Yes Women, Children and Old People, The rest should go and fight for their homes. Those that are accepted should be monitored extensively.
I also agree with you. Men should fight for their country. They are not refugees they are cowards. Why let undeserving people? Wife should not receive benefits, and should be provided with job and to support themselves.

This is exact. They are not at war, they simply want money. They are said to be hungry to death but yet they have smartphones. Look at the Kurds, they fight because they do not want to leave their homeland, they will not sacrifice their ancestors' legacy for some money ! I would not mind welcoming families if the males are fighting.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: sergeyzol on February 14, 2017, 08:17:40 PM
Yes Women, Children and Old People, The rest should go and fight for their homes. Those that are accepted should be monitored extensively.
I also agree with you. Men should fight for their country. They are not refugees they are cowards. Why let undeserving people? Wife should not receive benefits, and should be provided with job and to support themselves.

This is exact. They are not at war, they simply want money. They are said to be hungry to death but yet they have smartphones. Look at the Kurds, they fight because they do not want to leave their homeland, they will not sacrifice their ancestors' legacy for some money ! I would not mind welcoming families if the males are fighting.
Democratic values are not able to withstand modern threats. The latest survey showed that only 18% of Germans are ready with arms to fight for their country. So I guess they felt sorry for these cowards.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Losvienleg on February 14, 2017, 08:51:28 PM
Yes Women, Children and Old People, The rest should go and fight for their homes. Those that are accepted should be monitored extensively.
I also agree with you. Men should fight for their country. They are not refugees they are cowards. Why let undeserving people? Wife should not receive benefits, and should be provided with job and to support themselves.

This is exact. They are not at war, they simply want money. They are said to be hungry to death but yet they have smartphones. Look at the Kurds, they fight because they do not want to leave their homeland, they will not sacrifice their ancestors' legacy for some money ! I would not mind welcoming families if the males are fighting.
Democratic values are not able to withstand modern threats. The latest survey showed that only 18% of Germans are ready with arms to fight for their country. So I guess they felt sorry for these cowards.

Germany is kinda an extreme exemple. All what is bad in the modern society can be found in extreme proportions in Germany.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: varyspro on February 14, 2017, 09:44:32 PM
Yes Women, Children and Old People, The rest should go and fight for their homes. Those that are accepted should be monitored extensively.
I also agree with you. Men should fight for their country. They are not refugees they are cowards. Why let undeserving people? Wife should not receive benefits, and should be provided with job and to support themselves.

This is exact. They are not at war, they simply want money. They are said to be hungry to death but yet they have smartphones. Look at the Kurds, they fight because they do not want to leave their homeland, they will not sacrifice their ancestors' legacy for some money ! I would not mind welcoming families if the males are fighting.
Democratic values are not able to withstand modern threats. The latest survey showed that only 18% of Germans are ready with arms to fight for their country. So I guess they felt sorry for these cowards.

Germany is kinda an extreme exemple. All what is bad in the modern society can be found in extreme proportions in Germany.
This situation is typical for almost all of Europe. The more stable the economy, the more people get used to comfort and have lost the will to participate in military action, even if it involves the protection of the country


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Losvienleg on February 14, 2017, 10:34:10 PM
Yes Women, Children and Old People, The rest should go and fight for their homes. Those that are accepted should be monitored extensively.
I also agree with you. Men should fight for their country. They are not refugees they are cowards. Why let undeserving people? Wife should not receive benefits, and should be provided with job and to support themselves.

This is exact. They are not at war, they simply want money. They are said to be hungry to death but yet they have smartphones. Look at the Kurds, they fight because they do not want to leave their homeland, they will not sacrifice their ancestors' legacy for some money ! I would not mind welcoming families if the males are fighting.
Democratic values are not able to withstand modern threats. The latest survey showed that only 18% of Germans are ready with arms to fight for their country. So I guess they felt sorry for these cowards.

Germany is kinda an extreme exemple. All what is bad in the modern society can be found in extreme proportions in Germany.
This situation is typical for almost all of Europe. The more stable the economy, the more people get used to comfort and have lost the will to participate in military action, even if it involves the protection of the country

That is true. But not only in this field of things. They are totally brainwashed, ashamed of imaginary crimes their grand-parents or parents would have commited, their natality is incredibly low etc.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: squatz1 on February 15, 2017, 12:56:38 AM
Question Answers:

1. Should we welcome refugees ?
We should, but these people must have proper and verified documents from the country in which they're coming from. If that's not present, or these documents have been destroyed due to some sort of anarchy in the country itself they should have to go through months and months of interviews to make sure they care for the United States and aren't coming here to be malicious.
2. I yes, why ?
Answered above.
3. How much ?
That doesn't seem like something you can really pick, maybe 10,000 or so per year?
4. Would it bother you to have to host a refugee in your house ?
If they're kind and would be working also to pay for stuff around the house it wouldn't bother me in the least, but if they're not it's going to bother the shit out of me knowing my hard earned money is going to this type of person
5. Would you like your daughter to marry a refugee  ?
If she loves one that is her right to and I would support it fully.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: sergeyzol on February 15, 2017, 11:41:14 PM
Yes Women, Children and Old People, The rest should go and fight for their homes. Those that are accepted should be monitored extensively.
I also agree with you. Men should fight for their country. They are not refugees they are cowards. Why let undeserving people? Wife should not receive benefits, and should be provided with job and to support themselves.

This is exact. They are not at war, they simply want money. They are said to be hungry to death but yet they have smartphones. Look at the Kurds, they fight because they do not want to leave their homeland, they will not sacrifice their ancestors' legacy for some money ! I would not mind welcoming families if the males are fighting.
Democratic values are not able to withstand modern threats. The latest survey showed that only 18% of Germans are ready with arms to fight for their country. So I guess they felt sorry for these cowards.

Germany is kinda an extreme exemple. All what is bad in the modern society can be found in extreme proportions in Germany.
This situation is typical for almost all of Europe. The more stable the economy, the more people get used to comfort and have lost the will to participate in military action, even if it involves the protection of the country

That is true. But not only in this field of things. They are totally brainwashed, ashamed of imaginary crimes their grand-parents or parents would have commited, their natality is incredibly low etc.
Than more civilized the country the less it children have been born. Due to the fact that cultured people take care of their children. Poor Muslims who come to Europe do not care about the children and about yourself. They want to live at the expense of children.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: gabmen on February 16, 2017, 06:05:30 AM
I would like to hear what you think about those questions :

1. Should we welcome refugees ?
2. I yes, why ?
3. How much ?
4. Would it bother you to have to host a refugee in your house ?
5. Would you like your daughter to marry a refugee  ?

I don't think it should even be arvued about. Morally we are inclined to accept them pretty much because we are part of the reason why they are refugees. Prior to the us bombing the shit out of these midestearn countries we don't have any of these problems. And i wouldn't mind hosting a couple if a chance comes. Consider this, if you live in a country, bombed for some reason without real proof, lost your home and everything you grew up with, how would you like people to answer these questions?


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Sithara007 on February 16, 2017, 08:35:55 AM
Than more civilized the country the less it children have been born. Due to the fact that cultured people take care of their children. Poor Muslims who come to Europe do not care about the children and about yourself. They want to live at the expense of children.

It depends upon the family values and religion. European countries such as France and Ireland are having pretty good birth rates (close to 2.0 children per woman). On the other hand, the East Asian countries (South Korea, Japan.etc) are having the lowest birth rates in the world, partly due to the cultural difference.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: youdamushi on February 16, 2017, 09:51:51 AM
Maybe your questions are irrelevant.
Maybe we should in fact wonder why refugees exist on the first place.
And maybe that would lead us to wonder if our international policies and the way we share ressources are the right ones.


But surely it must just be because Muslims are savages.


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: dirokkl on February 16, 2017, 11:00:02 AM
Than more civilized the country the less it children have been born. Due to the fact that cultured people take care of their children. Poor Muslims who come to Europe do not care about the children and about yourself. They want to live at the expense of children.

It depends upon the family values and religion. European countries such as France and Ireland are having pretty good birth rates (close to 2.0 children per woman). On the other hand, the East Asian countries (South Korea, Japan.etc) are having the lowest birth rates in the world, partly due to the cultural difference.
I can't speak for Ireland I was not there but France has so many Muslims. Probably the high level of fertility in France is related to this. I have the impression that soon the indigenous French are in the minority


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: youdamushi on February 16, 2017, 12:48:24 PM
Than more civilized the country the less it children have been born. Due to the fact that cultured people take care of their children. Poor Muslims who come to Europe do not care about the children and about yourself. They want to live at the expense of children.

It depends upon the family values and religion. European countries such as France and Ireland are having pretty good birth rates (close to 2.0 children per woman). On the other hand, the East Asian countries (South Korea, Japan.etc) are having the lowest birth rates in the world, partly due to the cultural difference.
I can't speak for Ireland I was not there but France has so many Muslims. Probably the high level of fertility in France is related to this. I have the impression that soon the indigenous French are in the minority
Damn shitty spammers...
Your impression is not only stupid, it's false and pure FUD
France has 7% of Muslims!!!
Stop talking about incredible invasion or how French non muslims will be a minority!


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: igorokavg13 on February 16, 2017, 02:56:47 PM
Than more civilized the country the less it children have been born. Due to the fact that cultured people take care of their children. Poor Muslims who come to Europe do not care about the children and about yourself. They want to live at the expense of children.

It depends upon the family values and religion. European countries such as France and Ireland are having pretty good birth rates (close to 2.0 children per woman). On the other hand, the East Asian countries (South Korea, Japan.etc) are having the lowest birth rates in the world, partly due to the cultural difference.
I can't speak for Ireland I was not there but France has so many Muslims. Probably the high level of fertility in France is related to this. I have the impression that soon the indigenous French are in the minority
Damn shitty spammers...
Your impression is not only stupid, it's false and pure FUD
France has 7% of Muslims!!!
Stop talking about incredible invasion or how French non muslims will be a minority!
Where did you get these figures? In fact, the exact digits is a bit more complicated. French laws forbid to conduct a census in his religion, making it difficult to obtain accurate data. Who is the spammer?


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: youdamushi on February 16, 2017, 06:02:52 PM
Than more civilized the country the less it children have been born. Due to the fact that cultured people take care of their children. Poor Muslims who come to Europe do not care about the children and about yourself. They want to live at the expense of children.

It depends upon the family values and religion. European countries such as France and Ireland are having pretty good birth rates (close to 2.0 children per woman). On the other hand, the East Asian countries (South Korea, Japan.etc) are having the lowest birth rates in the world, partly due to the cultural difference.
I can't speak for Ireland I was not there but France has so many Muslims. Probably the high level of fertility in France is related to this. I have the impression that soon the indigenous French are in the minority
Damn shitty spammers...
Your impression is not only stupid, it's false and pure FUD
France has 7% of Muslims!!!
Stop talking about incredible invasion or how French non muslims will be a minority!
Where did you get these figures? In fact, the exact digits is a bit more complicated. French laws forbid to conduct a census in his religion, making it difficult to obtain accurate data. Who is the spammer?
You can get those figures from at least 12 different studies! You just have to type "number of muslims in France" on Google!
Indeed there is no census but nothing forbid to make a study and ASK for those informations. It's just that the national census will not ask anything about that.
And the spammers are the previous posters and a lot of people wearing your signature! You're all spamming threads with useless one liners!

At least your answer was linked to the subject and what you quoted...


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: santaclaws on February 16, 2017, 08:52:45 PM
I would like to hear what you think about those questions :

1. Should we welcome refugees ?
Yes absolutely yes!

2. I yes, why ?
Because, if you are living in north or south america then most of you have a refugee history. It has worked for the Europeans coming over why wouldn't it work for everyone else? I say let them come and get them employed asap.

3. How much ?
Not much since most western economies couldn't handle a huge influx of people. Maybe .3% of your population per year.

4. Would it bother you to have to host a refugee in your house ?
Fuck yeah it would bother me, I don't want any stranger in my house, refugee or otherwise.

5. Would you like your daughter to marry a refugee  ?
It depends, if the guy is a good guy, keeps a job, wants to work and treats my daughter well then why not? If she's happen then I'm happy.



Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: Sithara007 on February 17, 2017, 05:32:14 AM
Than more civilized the country the less it children have been born. Due to the fact that cultured people take care of their children. Poor Muslims who come to Europe do not care about the children and about yourself. They want to live at the expense of children.

It depends upon the family values and religion. European countries such as France and Ireland are having pretty good birth rates (close to 2.0 children per woman). On the other hand, the East Asian countries (South Korea, Japan.etc) are having the lowest birth rates in the world, partly due to the cultural difference.
I can't speak for Ireland I was not there but France has so many Muslims. Probably the high level of fertility in France is related to this. I have the impression that soon the indigenous French are in the minority
Damn shitty spammers...
Your impression is not only stupid, it's false and pure FUD
France has 7% of Muslims!!!
Stop talking about incredible invasion or how French non muslims will be a minority!

7% is definitely too low to believe. In 2014, more than 37% of the children born in France had at least one parent, whose ethnic origin is from Africa, Middle East, or Asia. A large part of these may be Muslims. Check this map:

https://bloodyshovel.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/73akbau.png?w=630


Title: Re: Gathering positions about the refugees
Post by: youdamushi on February 17, 2017, 12:48:13 PM
Than more civilized the country the less it children have been born. Due to the fact that cultured people take care of their children. Poor Muslims who come to Europe do not care about the children and about yourself. They want to live at the expense of children.

It depends upon the family values and religion. European countries such as France and Ireland are having pretty good birth rates (close to 2.0 children per woman). On the other hand, the East Asian countries (South Korea, Japan.etc) are having the lowest birth rates in the world, partly due to the cultural difference.
I can't speak for Ireland I was not there but France has so many Muslims. Probably the high level of fertility in France is related to this. I have the impression that soon the indigenous French are in the minority
Damn shitty spammers...
Your impression is not only stupid, it's false and pure FUD
France has 7% of Muslims!!!
Stop talking about incredible invasion or how French non muslims will be a minority!

7% is definitely too low to believe. In 2014, more than 37% of the children born in France had at least one parent, whose ethnic origin is from Africa, Middle East, or Asia. A large part of these may be Muslims. Check this map:

https://bloodyshovel.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/73akbau.png?w=630

BULLSHIT DETECTED

So maybe you're not French but if that's the case please don't put documents you don't udnerstand.
I'm French so I can read the map...
I'll translate literally what's written:
"Percentage of babies born with a risk of drepanocytose" (I'm not sure of how the disease is translated though)
"Drepanocytose is a disease that touch essentially population from North Africa, Subsaharian Africa and Antilles."

So all your map is showing is that:
1/ France has a population that is heavily mixed with Africa population... Considering we colonized all Africa I don't find that very strange --'
2/ Percentage is rising because YOU ONLY NEED ONE ANCESTORS coming from Africa to have a POTENTIAL RISK. So all that the map is showing is that people are... Fucking each other without checking the last 200 years ancestors of their partners... Surprising isn't it?

There is NO LINK with Muslims! Are you even aware of the fact that Africa is a very mixed continent and that lots of countries are Christians? Furthermore the 36% figure only means that one of your ancestors has been an African... But we colonized at least half of the continent!!! OF COURSE we have African ancestors!!! That's just freaking logic!!! That doesn't mean it's your father or mother!

I hope you just don't know French and so you believed the map was about Islam. Otherwise that's pure deception.