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I mostly touched on my points in this article:
https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thedashguy/warning-why-i-don-t-trust-the-price-of-dash-nor-the-community-be-careful-folks-invest-wisely-diversify (https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thedashguy/warning-why-i-don-t-trust-the-price-of-dash-nor-the-community-be-careful-folks-invest-wisely-diversify)

But I would love to have a discussion here as well.

Besides the Instamine, which we all know happened. Why else is Dash a house of cards waiting to fall apart and leave the bagholders, well holding the bags?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg17878309#msg17878309
https://i.imgur.com/RLLGfUZ.png

Welcome to my long list of ignored trolls, the intention of this troll is rather obvious.
Troll on ex-Dash fan with an appearent conflict of interests (promoting DashnDrinks while making Dash hate threads  ??? how very very weird  ???)

It is of course these kind of ex-Dash fans that are not missed by the Dash community.
Small suggestion to OP : maybe it is time to change your name from FeelTheBern to FeelTheHate ?

Edit : isn't this troll also the same guy that managed to scam the Monero community the last time he acted as ex-Dash fan? If i remember correctly, some of Dash
dev team members ended up gaving the money he scammed back to Fluffypony in order to compensate those that made donations to TheDashGuy, to have it further
distributed under his Monero community members.

How weird the scam is there in black and white for everyone to see but you keep trying to pump it to everyone on this board over and over?

Someone posts some of the facts and they are a hater?

Some interesting but already mostly known points.


1. Dash is centrally controlled. This is a fact.

Dash used to be one of my favorite parts of the internet, since discovering Bitcoin. I spent weeks upon weeks reading up on Dash, after years of learning about Bitcoin and it's faults, Dash (Drk) at the time seemed like a logical next step forward, so I dove head first into Dash for a little over a year and spent a majority of my time working alongside the community to dream up cool projects, spread the word about Dash and so on, once I started asking the hard questions about the core team being accountable, the slander slowly began to build. Before you knew it, I was known as the town troll for "asking too many questions" and was sidelined as much as possible, simply for being critical of the teams decisions and asking them to act in the best interests of Dash, they did not. They are making loads of cash while controlling the "governance system" with large amounts of Masternodes and upvoting their own backdoor deals with companies that are friends of friends and so on . Any sort of critical thinking is not welcome in the Dash ecosystem and you will be sidelined due to it. So be careful. They are acting in their own interests, not in the interest of cryptocurrency. Hence the echo chamber being so powerful.

2. Dash is under researched, overhyped. It's all marketing.

InstandSend is the ONLY good thing Dash has going for it (and its completely wasted), governance is completely and purposely flawed as to enable control for the core team of no only the funds, but the mechanisms that drive the governance system too. You'd be surprised to find out most of the important things sucks as forking and what not are handled by Evan and Evan only, there is no consensus mechanism to force anyone in core to do anything, thus they do as they please and remain largely unchecked in doing so.

Darksend is a gimmick, sure maybe it can't be cracked super easily, but the use of it is a complete joke, not to mention Dash recently teamed up with Coinfirm to track all Dash purchases in the network, sound a little backwards to you? It did to me to. They also have lawyered up using blockchain taxed funds, spent quite a pretty penny (hundreds of thousands) on their own little side projects such as Lamassu ATM integration which still has yet to come to fruition and so on. The point being, Dash is nothing but a big echo chamber, be careful believing anything that comes from that community, they lure you in with false hopes of a better world of crypto currency just to break your heart when you find out they really just want to start their own crypto bankster project for their own selfish needs, that is not what I signed up for.

The Dash I understood when I started reading the docs and listening to Evans videos was a new form of "digital cash" for the people, controlled by the people. The Dash I found was just another wanna be get rich quick scheme covered in all the right hopes and promises. Be weary folks, a REAL digital cash will arrive one day, it might be called Bitcoin, it might be #Monero, hell it might even be #Litecoin if they go privacy first, but one thing I do know is it will not be Dash, until the entire core team is gone and the community controls Dash.

3. The Dash community is disingenuous. The "governance system' is flawed. The Core team controls majority of Masternodes.

Everyone in the Dash community who is left minus a few brave and stubborn souls (achem Camosoul, GrandMaster & Solarminer) is part of the problem, they are all lazy crypto currency supporters who are just here to make a quick buck, the idea of changing the financial landscape forever has been lost to them. When I started with Bitcoin in 2011, the only thing I could ever think was how revolutionary Bitcoin really was and what good it could bring to our planet. Little did I know it was an unfinished product, Dash seemed to fill the gap temporarily, but after spending almost a year devoted to Dash, I quickly learned it was all a sham and some good marketing points. The governance system being the best part of Dash, until you realize Evan owns 400+ Masternodes, Daniel easily owns 200+, Otoh owns 400+, and so on... Well when you only have 3-4k nodes in the entire community and things only need 10% nodes to vote to pass, and the whales started out with Masternodes costing 1% of what they cost now, you can see how the community can quickly end up in the control of 'bad whales'.

Point being, the governance system is a joke, its as much of a governance system as a bankster scam aimed at making you feel like you are winning, while they are winning 1,000 more than you. How are those crumbs tasting fellas?

4. Darkcoin was a far superior coin to Dash, yet here we are. Why you ask?

Darkcoin was the basis for what Dash became, but Darkcoin was also MUCH more ahead of its time, back then Evan wasn't coding for revenue, he was coding to create an idea, that idea was a sort of 'digital cash' based on Bitcoin. Within a year or 2 his vision slowly changed into creating "Paypal 2.0" (and yes thats a quote rom him and multiple core team members, not my words). And that is where I call BS, they say anything they can to get some coverage and don't give a single damn about delivering the proper product. The Dash team will NEVER deliver a true digital cash, because that is not their end goal. Darkcoin was on the right track, but Dash is a completely different direction, hell Dash is actively running away from privacy as it is anyways... look at coinfirm...

5. Evan Duffield lacks a spine and a moral compass to do the right thing with Dash. Ryan "Babygiraffe" Taylor & Daniel Diaz are wanna-be failed banksters with a selfish end game that influence Evan heavily.

As I stated already Evan Duffield was on the right track with Darkcoin back in the day, but slowly over time he seemed to have morphed his vision of what digital cash should be from being an open sourced, community controlled, instant, private digital asset toooooo controlling your money, controlling the governance mechanism to ring as much money out of the project before it collapses on itself, getting their own office space paid for by the blockchain, paying themselves large sums of money and so on... doesn't seem right when there are villages all around the world dying for access to a worldwide economy now does it?

Ryan Taylor is an ex bankster with a selfish end game. This guy came around to Dash shortly after myself, was cool at first while he worked his way into the core team, but once things became a little more heated he quickly buckled down onto his knees and stopping trying to fight for the idea of a better Dash and became a leach himself. They hired him for help with finance, and ever since he's been the biggest figure in the Dash community besides Amanda in the public realm, you wonder why don't you? He's in it for himself, not for Dash, not for crypto currencies. He just wants his former bankster glory back.

Daniel Diaz is a complete half assed wanna sneaky snake like scammer. He's been around Evan since the beginning and he's the one that I attribute to ruining Evan's moral compass. He's the one who envisioned this crappy "paypal 2.0" idea and tried shoving it down the communities throat with deceit, lies and made up stories. He's the one who put his neck out there and said "WERE GETTING ON LAMASSU ATM'S!!" almost a year ago, and $100,000 later and countless excuses, there are still 0 Lamassu ATM's in the world... He's the reason the "governance" in Dahs is broken, because he has poisoned the well and turned Dash into a leeches paradise.

6. It's either 1 huge scheme or they really lack a higher purpose.

I could never really figure out which one it was, but after a few months of reflecting back on this I feel like it was a mix of both. People like Daniel and Ryan are scheming/leeching while people like Udjin (the best dev easily) and Evan are simply following the herd. I feel as if Dash was capable of being 1000x the product it is today if they would have embraced more decentralization, more worldwide change and more of a community focused mindset, then Dash could become the first truly decentralized economy, basically a skynet if you will. But the core team doesn't see it that way, they just see a big ol piggy bank when they see Dash, it's quite sad honestly. Hopefully someone clones the entire damn project and does it the right way, that'd be the best altcoin IMO. Either way, still not really sure whether it's one huge team scam or they just don't see the greater good they could be doing, or maybe they don't care? Who knows.  All I know is echo chambers never did a lick of good in the past and they damn sure won't start now.

7. The Dash core team is power hungry. The Dash community is blind.

As has been touched on earlier in this post, the Dash team has lost it's way. Dash could have been a world wide economy, the governance system could be used to employ ANYONE in the world, and yet they are sitting here hiring random companies that thier friends just happen to run to do stupid things like try and get ATM's set up everywhere, which is so backwards it makes no sense. Dash has InstandSend, people have smart phones. What the hell are they doing dropping $100,000+ dollars on ATM's you ask? Kickbacks I say, kickbacks. And the sad part of this is when you start pointing these types of things out to people in the community, the core team starts pinning you as a troll and what not just to run you off. This has happened countless times since the times of Darkcoin and I hope people will chime in and help people realize this isn't just a big old ranting post.

8. Dash COULD have been so much better, but greed killed it before it even got started.

Bitcoin was mean't to change the world, but has fallen short thus far. Dash came sooo close to filling the gap, but human greed seemed to have ruined any cryptopunk or libertarian ideology. People in charge of Dash think libertarians are stupid and childish (another quote), and that just never made sense to me.. Bitcoin was supposed to a libertarians dream come true, so when did this goal change? I'm still here waiting for the world to change, but in order to get there we'd have to have a fully decentralized or atleast distributed system that is fair for everyone, and provides everyone the same access to community funds in order to start creating a more economic model of crypto currency that can perform a proper digital asset with all the appropriate features such as speed, privacy, control and worldwide scalability. So far all the coins are falling short in one way or another and one day I think someone will hit the nail on the head and we'll either see that tech baked into Bitcoin, or some random coin take off overnight... not sure which yet. The main flaw of the Dash project seems to be greed, and lack of a moral compass.

9. Dash is basically a huge echo chamber supporting its own weight due to the Masternode system, it's nowhere close to being "digital cash' as it's marketed.

The biggest problem I found in this community and the same one that is true of most pyramid schemes is there is a massive echo chamber effect, everyone who sings the praises of Dash is a wonderful community member and is always talked to with respect and what not, but the second you start questioning things and making people feel as if they are being held to a standard, people will quickly turn around and happily tell you to leave because thinking is hard and people don't like things to be hard. I honestly think the people that are going to lose the most money when the core team decides to dump is going to be those exact users, which is sort of sad when you think about it. Sounds alot like a pyramid scheme to me, anyone? Lol oh and they even added a rating system which auto censors posts that get 4+ troll ratings, which they use VERYYYYY often to hide the complaints about them to the general public.

10. Dash is NOT Digital Cash, Dash is wanna be PayPal 2020, does any actually like PayPal? Thought so.

I've had repeated conversations with the core team in the past and various community members who blindly support them and I've asked them which they would prefer, digital cash or Paypal 2.0, and to my surprise the only ones who actually support the whole Paypal idea are the people in charge (core team) and their blind followers, because who wouldn't want to be the next billion dollar company? I mean I get it, but what happened to changing the world and doing it the right way?

Besides we all know PayPal is going to crush Dash in the long run, they are a billion dollar company getting put in a corner, I wouldn't be surprised if they already had eyes on Bitcoin & Dash and the recent acquisition of TIO which will give them access too hundreds of thousands of kiosks world wide, so much for that Lamassu Deal eh Daniel?



Good luck with your investments, always keep your eyes wide open, you never know when the floor is going to fall out from beneath you. And yes this is all true, and no I'm not trolling, just thought with all this Dash hype we could have a dose of reality.

Best wishes folks.

-Jake

isn't this OP troll also the same guy that managed to scam the Monero community the last time he acted as ex-Dash fan? If i remember correctly, some of Dash
dev team members ended up giving the money he scammed back to Fluffypony in order to compensate those that made donations to TheDashGuy, to have it further
distributed under his Monero community members. If he starts asking for donations again remember that !

Solarminer will be thrilled to see you promote his DashnDrinks site this way TheDashGuy / Mr. Troll ... well done.

If he had previously scammed jesus it makes no difference to the facts about dash that he is pointing out?

what is wrong with dashers.... some one presents facts and instead of addressing those facts they try to divert or shit focus to something else?


This guy probably made a ton of cash from dash has dumped out now and made a fortune.

Do I trust his motives for not bringing this all up before he dumped out on everyone else? no

He is one of the lucky ones who got out in time. Probably has a ton of btc anyway since he was around in 2011. It's the small investors that are sucked in by the likes of qwizzie and tao that are going to get burned hard.

TheDashGuy being a known scammer and troll to both the Dash & Monero community, it will be interesting to see who will post
in support of him in this thread.

So far that is cryptohunter, not really all that surprising.
 

YOU qwizzie are a PROVEN scam promoter and facilitator making you a scammer. However that is not the point here.

Really re read my post and try to think before posting.

I don't support HIM at all. He made a fortune before deciding to dump dash then start presenting known facts. He probably dumped out before this latest peak and is pissed. However speculating on him or his motives are not important. I am supporting his article because it speaks the truth for the most part.

Start to learn you need to discuss the facts presented not the person presenting them.

I see more dash spam on this main board than ever from you tao and this tupoma.

Almost forgot, i put cryptohunter on ignore sometime ago for making similar Dash hate threads.
FYI

Daniel Diaz is Minotaur26 right? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=256828 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=256828)

@qwizzie
I read his topic when there was 0 replies.
I *could* have posted something but i decided not to for 2 reasons.

First off..
It's a coincidence that another Monero topic or two is trending and all of a sudden a Dash hater comes from out of nowhere using a junior account no one knows.

So i am saying i suspect this topic is simply a diversion / attack attempt.. deceitful games from the Monero crew again.
They seem to think they can not stand on their own and must stand on Dash.
Monero needs to stand on it's own feet.

Second of all..
I seen right away he posted a STEEM link.
I sure as hell will not support that scammy ass bullshit blog coin platform bullshit rigged thingy mabober.

So the OP here has a financial agenda with his link he posted here and i was actually tempted to report it as spam.
It's basically like posting a referral link here.. no... it *IS* one !

Point being is that above what i just said pisses all over any attempt at credibility coming from "Junior"
Using a monetized scam coin link ?
And yet even worse he didn't post here on the forum what it said (forcing users to click on the link)

This topic really should have been trashed by mod's.

Let me put it this way..
Would i be allowed to post a link / topic exactly like he did but simply changed the name to Monero ?
I fucking highly doubt it !

Want to criticize Dash ? Go for it but do type it the fuck out with words on the FORUM HERE.
Spare me the referral link spam trolling attack bullshit for profit please  ::)

Since this is a retaliation trolling game i will not be bumping his diversion topic here anymore.
You can tell it was simply a response to divert attention from the "Rise & Rise" topic. (or others)
Why else did generalizethis bury that other topic yesterday erasing the name and hiding it ?

..caught red-handed playing games (as usual)

@qwizzie
I recall that old drama too and you might be right i am not sure though.
I also refuse to address the OP junior account nobody directly.
He can come back and run his mouth when he gets to at least Hero status until then i will not talk to him.
i don't need lip from noobs thanks..  ::)

Presenting facts = hate threads to dash holders.

Direct me to a dash thread of mine that is not full of evidence illustrating the captive instamine, the slashing of the minting is there in black and white and masternodes we know how they work and who they serve.  If you find one i will instantly populate it with factual observable events.

Is hating scams a crime?

You have to love scams now else qwizzie puts you on ignore.

Or ask him to answer any awkward questions = put on ignore.

Go to the dash thread see how he responds to any members of that community asking questions he does not like.

I would even forget about dash trash if it was not constantly on 5 threads on the main board pumping every minor new adjustment or decision made there. Imagine every community did this ? one huge spam board


Anything other than the refuting of factual events with evidence is noise and distraction nothing more. Qwizzie and others need to wake up to this. Nothing else is relevant.

Come with evidence not with noise and distraction.

I suggest we the masterondes give this guy some DASH so he stop spreading this information around. Maybe we could even hire him to do something good for us. Since his promotion skills are quite good, I could par him with Amanda B Jonson.  What do you think guys?







LOL

I'm pretty sure sputz was already paid to be an honorary dashtard. His attacking Monero while overlooking dash--and now open support--happened shortly after he put up a poll whoring his FUD advertising services.

It's an obvious scam.  I feel bad for noobs buying into a well executed marketing scheme.
Does anyone have nudes of Amanda B Johnson?

All these haters here wanting to defend their scamcoin... golly jee I must have struck a nerve with too much evidences.

edit:
Here is someone else who sees through the BS within Dash...


https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-has-cancer-take-a-look-at-the-xray.13145/ (https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/dash-has-cancer-take-a-look-at-the-xray.13145/)

Double Edit: Hey Qwizzie, click DashnDrink.com, go ahead. Tard.

I approve this thread.  No worries.  Nothing can be done with Dash N Drink or any Point of Sale idea with Dash until a mobile wallet can use InstantSend again.

Accountability is the most undemocratic event because it disproportionately benefits those with the most power.

Strange to see you support TheDashGuy (aka FeelTheBern) and his view of Dash as a scam this way (which is actually pretty funny considering how he scammed the Monero community) and at the same time you are being active in a Dash selling product.
From a business point of view that does not make much sense to me.

Good luck with DashnDrinks, i hope it all works out for you in the end.

Just to be clear, I currently have no businesses accepting Dash or businesses selling anything Dash related.  Dash is too risky to mess with right now. 

Coinfirm is tracking every transaction(very easy with so few everyday) the government can easily implement retroactive legislation to cause problems.  It is also very likely masternodes will be tracked to their IP and public address making them big targets.  I just don't see any of this ending well for Dash.

That is besides the fact that Dash has no advantage over Litecoin right now without InstantSend.   Sure it has pretty masternodes and a pretty core controlled budget system and maybe some hope for a fancy Evolution of Paypal in 2018.   With so very few transactions, there is more anonymity just by using a coin with more transactions.  And Litecoin has wallets on the app store so Apple users can actually use it, along with lightning months away.  There are many other coins that are actually developing new ideas - not trying to copy the banking system.

Well that is certainly a relief to know. Having a known scammer like TheDashGuy promoting the DashnDrinks site worried me.
In a way i guess it is good to see you finally take that step to go full anti-Dash ..  makes it more easy for us at the dash.org/forum
to understand why you are still so very very busy there.  It all makes sense now.

In time it would perhaps be better to just move on...

We can't move on, then we become complacent in the scam and are now morally bound to make sure people find out all about the stink thats rotting away from inside Dash.

https://i.imgur.com/saz8pza.jpg

The DashHoles are trying to make the internet into a Safe Space for their scam.

We can't allow that....

Facts are facts, whether written by TheDashGuy or Encyclopedia Britannica.

So a word from the outside, guys: I honestly know nothing about who is a scammer and who is not, but the biggest post, although containing no sources, has not been responded to, which looks 1-0 for the Dash critics.

Personal attacks seem to be the norm here, but persons making them do not realize that they look like spoield children, especially if they mention no facts.

Time to end the XMR vs DASH battle: Confessions of a Dash Enthusiast
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1538753.msg15470903#msg15470903
FeelTheBern = TheDashGuy

He basicly scammed the Monero community by collecting donations from them under false pretenses.
The donations were compensated in the end by Dash community members  (they gave it to Fluffypony for further distribution).

He has a history of trolling both the Dash and Monero community.
You are of course perfectly free to believe his posts, but for those who know him better his posts are nothing more then just troll posts.

You fail to state what Thedashguy did for dash.   He created several websites, including the awesome dashndrink.com site, whatisdash.org, and many others for the community.   Whatisdash.org was a far better site than dash.org and was completed in a month vs the dash.org redesign that took 1.5 years and still has broken links.  Since he was totally blasted by core members for trying to help with dash.org and was totally disrespected when he offered a marketing proposal he stopped helping Dash.  (FYI, that same core member that blasted thedashguy, yidakee, was quietly fired - so it was even admitted he was in the wrong)

And I have been heavily involved in dash building the Dash N Drink soda machine to show off InstantSend along with other examples of merchant tools like DashNGo.  It was all looked at as a "too early" examples of Dash technology.   The core just wanted to wait for Evolution before touching anything that could be used with merchants.  It is all too fishy.   Why wouldn't Dash put resources behind merchant tools and technology?  It looks like the entire project is a scam to partner with big companies to leach the budget and bring in more investors to raise the coin price.

So you ask why previously devoted Dash enthusiasts are now against Dash?   We learned about the real intentions of the developers....and it isn't to grow transactions or make the currency useful.

You always did have a much more succinct way of explaining things than I did... thanks for the sprinkle of logic!

Oh wait, logic in crypto currencies?

YOU GO AWAY SIR!

@cryptohunter

+10000

No, what you learned is the dynamics of the market and the economics at play in Dash. You also learned that creating a budget proposal that is lacking details, is not pre-discussed at all and has budget terms
difficult to accept in any budget proposal is a sure way to not get your budget proposal passed.

You also learned the Dash community was getting tired of the endless hate posts on your slack channel against our Dash dev-team and you witnessed a widely-supported move against that by the creation
of new Dash slack channels and the denouncement of your Dash slack channel.

You were repeatedly asked to distance yourself from all the above but for some reason you could not. Perhaps your business goals got misaligned with the goals of the Dash community and
your inflexibility to cope with that got you here, i dont know.  But the way you are posting here and on dash.org/forum is just sad to watch, frankly you seem to be degrading yourself.

Good luck with this thread, i'm done here.   

I will keep covering legitimate reasons why Dash is a complete scam & house of cards waiting to collapse.

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thedashguy/warning-dash-is-actively-engaging-in-forms-of-censorship-and-maintaing-a-profitable-echo-chamber (https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@thedashguy/warning-dash-is-actively-engaging-in-forms-of-censorship-and-maintaing-a-profitable-echo-chamber)

Part 1: Who is thedashguy, in his own words

The Dash guy has been trolling Dash for over a year with his love/hate relationship with Dash and the community. One thing has always been clear though, he hates the core team and wants the community to break away/fork and for a new core team to take over. In other words he has always wanted to split the community.

This whole hit piece rant is constructed on a lie...
“I dove head first into Dash for a little over a year and spent a majority of my time working alongside the community to dream up cool projects, spread the word about Dash and so on”

No, you did not support dash for a year. You may have supported Dash for a few months but you hated/resented the “rich” core team members from the jump.
From the start thedashguy and Core team member yidakee did not see eye to eye to say the least....

“You insult people, then say sorry, then insult again, use foul language, admit you were out of line, then you do it again, then you say sorry, then you accuse "someone of something". You're being called down by dozens and dozens of members, kicked of Slack, kicked out of Telegram, ranting here, ranting in Dashwhale, ranting in btctalk ... geeeez”
yidakee, Feb 4, 2016

Not a very good start to your “year” supporting Dash. You rage quit so many times no one could keep track.

“Get off the drugs.
You are living in some alternate reality where you think you are actually smart. I'm just going to go ahead and warn you once then im throwing you on ignore. Stop talking as if you know anything because you don't. Come get your little bitch in check core team. He's about to cause you guys one hell of a shit storm.”

“You are the worst type of human being, a stupid one. Go away and stop making shit up. Don't worry I won't be "helping your" team out ever again, especially when YOU are on it. I won't even bother to explain it because half the community knows how much of a narcissistic asshole you are. People like you are the ones who turn into leeches of the project, don't worry you;ll keep defending your job if I have anything to say about it, better start working on making sure you carved out your little role in the team, if not sorry to say it might not last long.

Fuck off and have a nice day, welcome to ignore. So sad to see you be part of a project I really enjoy. You almost ruin it for me.”
TheDashGuy, Jun 17, 2016

“Who cares I'm done anyways I don't need this shit. Have a blast. @yidakee literally ruined this entire project for me and I'll I wanna do is beat his ass.”
TheDashGuy, Jun 23, 2016



Safe to say TDG and yidakee did not get along, LOL.
In fact TDG did not seem to get along with any of the core team members and very few community members.....

“Get your shit together. Daniel. Kot. EVERYONE.

You'd think this was a fucking gamestop run by teenagers or something the way certain people act and throw around thier so called importance to the project.”
TheDashGuy, Jun 21, 2016


“I need a break from this shit show. Need sometime to research my next investment thoroughly. Because this place is full of fluff, lies and falsehoods. It's not about us, it's not about the financial revolution, it's about becoming Paypal. Literally. All the bad they do doesn't matter because they are RICH!!!!

I hope one day a real Bitcoin is born, not any of this half baked shit we try to peddle in the crypto world.

Wonderful, just had to add Dash to my shitlist I guess. Good fucking job guys.”
TheDashGuy, Jun 22, 2016

“God you guys have so much shit backwards around here its sad. I used to love this project now I'm just disappointed by it. Price means nothing when the entire thing is controlled by a moron and some nerds. You never know when it will all come crashing down.”
TheDashGuy, Aug 1, 2016



Even after all of that he still wanted to be a part of Dash or at least extract a couple of thousand dollars a month from the Dash budget system. You really have to be delusional to think the community is going to fund you for 3 months to promote Dash after months of ranting and raving like a lunatic and rage quitting in complete madness.


TDG was not a fan of the “Transform PR - Michael Terpin” proposal.
This was one of Evan's personal proposals but it was voted out, so much for the conspiracy theory that Dash is “central controlled” and Evan and the core team can do whatever they want.

“And a great product sells itself, and needs no PR team.”
TheDashGuy, Feb 2, 2016

But after realizing he himself could get paid a couple of thousand a month to do PR and marketing he suddenly had a change of heart....
“TheDashGuy's Decentralized "DigitalCash" Social Media Outreach & Marketing Campaign | Working for the Dash Economy.
Amount: 175 Dash”
TheDashGuy, Sep 11, 2016

The reception to his proposal was not received very well after all the chaos he caused in the community and multiple rage quits....
“Last thing I remember reading about you was on slack calling other dash member a "c*nt" and rage quitting..I know you are passionate.. but why would the blockchain support someone who abuses other dash members? How can we trust that you wont just fly off the handle and walk away with our Dash?”
Stealth923, Sep 12, 2016


“What i have read from you on several occasions (Reddit, Slack, Dashtalk) were insults and calling people names in various flavors.

Beside some rage quits and rejoins.
Beside your "I quit Dash and convert to XMR"-stunt [1] for which others had to pay the bill for [2].
Beside your "Dash is broken" blog post [3].
Is this some kind of push & pull, on & off relationship you are trying to maintain?

Do you seriously expect that you have just a nounce of credibility left and anyone is expecting you to become the next Dash advocate / PR campaign driver?

[1] https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1538753.0
[2] https://np.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/4r9mc9/time_to_end_the_xmr_vs_dash_battle_confessions_of/”
flare, Sep 12, 2016


“@TheDashGuy Man, I hoped for the best in yourself. But you often disapoint me.

You had three weeks for dash nation community links directory. Hardly any comunication from your side and the time is already over.

I can't support such project, when I have this experience with your integrity as such act of support would go against my integrity.”
#7Comodore, Sep 12, 2016


“Jake, you're a good web designer -- there's no doubt about that.

But it's pretty cuckoo that you'd list TheDailyDecrypt.com on your resume, buddy.

Would you like to tell everyone why I had to revoke your access to that website, or shall I?”
#9amanda_b_johnson, Sep 12, 2016


The proposal ultimately Failed
https://www.dashcentral.org/p/digital-cash-mrktng



TDG's final rage quit letter after his 2k a month budget proposal Failed....

“It's been real ya'll, but I think I need to get out of Crypto altogether for a while.
I think it's time, the community has made it very clear, minus a few guys that is, that I am not wanted nor needed around here, and honestly, I'm fine with that.”
TheDashGuy, Sep 27, 2016

Since he left the Dash price has double, this obliviously very much upsets him. He was wrong about Dash a year ago and is wrong about Dash today.
His last rage quit letter was almost 5 months ago but for some reason he is still very much obsessed with Dash and visits the Dash forum and BTCtalk thread often. He is a toxic disgruntled former Dash member whose proposal was rejected by the community. He is somewhat mentally unstable as evident by his posting history and continued obsession with Dash. I hope he gets the help he so desperately needs.

In part 2 I will debunk TDG's 10 reasons to avoid Dash. Most of it has already been done by tok and myself above so I will copy and paste some of that and add a bit more.

One of the Dash cult enforcers' big 'it's really not a scam you just gotta believe me!!1!' talking points is the claim that 'Nobody has been scammed by Dash.'

It would be helpful for those of us pushing back against such Evan's Gate propaganda if those of you who have been scammed by Dash could create some kind of formal support group or network.  Even a Dash Victim thread here would be helpful as a repository to collect individual testimony.

Recovering victims of cults like Scientology band together not only for mutual support but also to demonstrate to those still trapped inside that it is possible to leave.

Vertoe claims all Darkcoin's volunteers were "used for the big thing" so not only HYIP bagholders qualify for inclusion.

Dash is 100% a scam and has potential to ensnare more people than any other scam in history if the market cap keeps being manipulated by the dash team wash traders.

When i started researching crypto a twitter post by cryptographer/blockchain expert Peter Todd about dash being snake oil immediately made me weary.

So I own Dash, and I have always like Dash, and I have made money on Dash.

I still think there are a number of big unanswered questions about Dash and the fairness of the initial distribution. I tried and failed to start mining Darkcoin on day one. By the time the Windows wallet and functional miner was released, rewards had crashed. I still think there is innovation, but there is always going to be controversy about the launch and wealth distribution and that is going to cloud the future. I don't think the Dash community can claim that every legit criticism on the crypto is just spreading FUD.

I recently got involved in PIVX (formerly DarkNet). Started as Dash clone, but refocus towards privacy and implementation of Zerocoin protocol. I recently sold some Dash to buy more of this. I think with the 'fair' launch, there is more future potential here (especially considering market cap is 1/150 Dash). Masternodes are 10k instead of 1k, and voting/budget system is being worked on. Anyway, we will see where that goes ..

I like Monero too, but not to heavily loaded up there, but thinking about selling some Dash (considering high price), and buying more Monero.

1. Dash is centrally controlled.


“Dash used to be one of my favorite parts of the internet”
This may have been true for a month or so. After that you started trolling Dash.

“They are making loads of cash while controlling the "governance system" with large amounts of Masternodes and upvoting their own backdoor deals with companies that are friends of friends and so on”
This is not true and the terpin PR vote proves as much.

“Any sort of critical thinking is not welcome in the Dash ecosystem and you will be sidelined due to it.”
Also not true, myself and others were very vocal against the ATM proposal and website issues. The website issues was resolved and the ATM issue is done with funding but underdeveloped and the network overpaid. Time will tell how it works out in the end but it has been a disappointment thus far.


2. Dash is under researched

Dash's governance system was thoroughly reviewed by  IOHK as charles hoskinson  was researching the best governance model for ETC. PrivateSend/Darksend then was reviewed by Kristov atlas a long time ago.
Dash Governance System - Dash Core Team Response
https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/OC/Dash+Governance+System+-+Dash+Core+Team+Response


“governance is completely and purposely flawed as to enable control for the core team”
Not true as pointed out before. Most of the whales don't even vote anymore. When they do vote it is usually against something they think is harmful to the project.

“Dash recently teamed up with Coinfirm to track all Dash purchases in the network”
Not true, coinfirm can try and track coins on any network/BC. Dash partnered with them to help with KYC regulatory issues for some businesses that require it. This changes nothing with Dash's privacy feature. The Coinfirm partnership is a good thing for mass adoption.



3. The Dash community is disingenuous. The "governance system' is flawed. The Core team controls majority of Masternodes.

“Evan owns 400+ Masternodes, Daniel easily owns 200+, Otoh owns 400+, and so on...”
You have zero proof. Core supposedly has 10% of the masternodes and core proposals have been voted out. OTOH now has around 80 mn's. He has been fully transparent and open about his holdings for years and gained the trust of the community for doing so. Last I saw evan had around 250 mn's and Daniel around 100 but I really have no idea and neither do you.

4. Darkcoin was a far superior coin to Dash

“Within a year or 2 his vision slowly changed into creating "Paypal 2.0" (and yes thats a quote rom him and multiple core team members, not my words). And that is where I call BS”
Dash is far superior to Darkcoin, if you like Darkcoin fork it. If Dash changed so much why did you join after the change you did not like. You make no sense.


5. Complete slander


6. It's either 1 huge scheme or they really lack a higher purpose.

“Hopefully someone clones the entire damn project and does it the right way, that'd be the best altcoin IMO.”
Have at it Jake.

7. The Dash core team is power hungry. The Dash community is blind.

“As has been touched on earlier in this post, the Dash team has lost it's way.”
Then once again why did you try and join a team that lost it's way and cheerlead for said team for months or a year as you wrongfully claim?


“What the hell are they doing dropping $100,000+ dollars on ATM's you ask? Kickbacks I say, kickbacks.”
The ATM prop was one of the first proposals and was a bit of a mess. As far as kickbacks I have seen no evidence of this and you have never presented any. They should sue you for slander.


8. Dash COULD have been so much better

“People in charge of Dash think libertarians are stupid and childish (another quote)”
Where is the quote? Most people who work for Dash are libertarians so this does not make sense. You are a socialist Bernie guy so coming from you it makes even less sense, as does all your talk about decentralization while support a centralized form of big government.

“I'm still here waiting for the world to change, but in order to get there we'd have to have a fully decentralized or atleast distributed system that is fair for everyone, and provides everyone the same access to community funds in order to start creating a more economic model”
More convoluted socialist nonsense masquerading as libertarian philosophy. Bernie is not a libertarian, quite the opposite in fact, yet he does share some of the libertarian freedom philosophy.


9. Dash is basically a huge echo chamber supporting its own weight due to the Masternode system

“but the second you start questioning things and making people feel as if they are being held to a standard, people will quickly turn around and happily tell you to leave”
Not true, as pointed out before several prominent member questioned the ATM proposal for costing too much and taking to long, the website too. We were not told to leave or called trolls etc. We just did not troll the core team everyday all day and call them names like you and a few others did.


10. Dash is NOT Digital Cash, Dash is wanna be PayPal 2020

Dash is digital cash and a decentralized PayPal 2.0, Amazon, Bitpay and much more.
If you don't like Dash then go away and find another coin or design one yourself. Stop obsessing about Dash and trolling the community that refused to pay you two thousand dollars a month for marketing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/4rhyxm/psa_the_dash_community_have_refunded_the/

So thedashguy scammed xmr community, then the dash community members reimbursed them for his nasty action.
He acted like a scammer (similar to what aSSiCEBREAKER is doing here) at dashtalk for the whole year.

It feels good when dash community get rid of those scammers. First vertoe - cachecoin scammer, thedashguy (feelthebern) - lier and fraudster, there are few others I don't remember.
Puryfication at its finest  :-*

And after that iCEBREAKER want this guy in their rank to fight their "battle" :D. It's been obvious that your arrogant, obnoxious, aggressive, self righteous community of trolls trashing other coins and other posters, are actively looking for more psychopaths to do this work for xmr. How bad that reflect on you all xmr-guys  ::)
That's quite a marketing  :o. Attacking with lies and accusassion of what actually you are doing.


We have many people at dash slack who feel like they were scammed by you trolls, because you deceitfully persuaded them.
Yeah. People are starting to see who the real scammers, pumpers, liers and fraudsters are.

ssshh instamined710

nobody with integrity is interested in these details after the fact dash is based upon a scam. That's the problem with dash. It started and is based upon  a scam. End of story.

It does not matter after that what has happened. It was funded by the scam, the scammers hold 100's of masternodes worth millions of dollars. They engineered the scam so that this was the outcome. How they got there is only important as a record of bringing them to justice.

I don't say evans is the worst of them. But a good 6 months in jail and his masternodes taken away and airdropped to the board as he promised before will suffice. Along with all those that got their noses in the captive instamine trough.

The rest of the community that didn't captive instamine can be allowed to continue along as normal for now whilst other non scam projects clone dash for next to nothing and improve upon their scam funded code.
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Known protectors and facilitators of this scam should get 3 months in jail too and a few lashes to wake them up. Amanda b johnson can join them.

Dash isn't under the spotlight for having poor tech it is under the spotlight for being a captive instamined scam. Any other discussion is distraction.

If you have any sense leave this project and join a dash clone - it's simple you get dash with a fresh start and no scam tag slapped on your back for eternity.

All the dreams of dash partnering with anyone big are dreams.... one second on google and you are faced with overwhelming evidence of scamming.

You can be sued for slandering a known scam? wow they can lawyer up all they want. I hope they can explain the difference between a premine and a captive instamine because one is just a sneaky version of the other.

Ya sure, keep pretending like you guys give a shit which coin is a scam  ::)
Your posturing and little attacks on one or the other is simply because you're the dumb fuck bag holder on the wrong side LOL

Cry into your little meme jpeg's ohh booo hooo i am's Monero'Tard waaaah  :'(

If you were smart you would be smiling with the current Dash price now at $22.30  :D

PS:
Monero ? $12.50 ahhahahhahahah loooooooosers  :D  :D  ;D

PPS:
I have never owned either coin and i don't plan to either.

Thanks for sharing. The instamine was enough for me to leave for the great&greener pasture of PIVX (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1262920.0)

Dash should be one of the most perfected scam in the space, I have looked into the project several time but I can't see any sound technology behind it to make the project stand out but one thing I will give the team branding and marketing.
Everything about the perfected scam was revealed to me on this Tony vays show Cryto scam. The Monero guy did justice to the project

So now it is smart to benefit from scams?? You are advocating joining scams with the sole purpose of smiling and making money from them?

I thought that is what you said is the entire problem with the crypto scene?


Are you pro dash now ? or just saying it was smart from a purely financial basis? that kind of flys in the face of you constant message that being a Roi investard and being greedy is a bad thing and should be stopped?

Let me hear you say for certain you are as sure now as you were back in 2014 after witnessing the scam that it is still now a scam in your mind.
Yes or no will do?

All i want to know is are you sure dash is a scam or not?

If you answer it is not a scam. When did you change your mind and why?

If you just hate xmr more than dash that is fine but to start sticking up for dash in any shape or form is totally out of sync with what you said in 2014 over and over. When people become inconsistent then I need to find out what the reason is if they are to remain credible at all.

Is dash a scam coin - yes or no?

I asked you this on the amanda johson thread and you seemed to remember it was a scam. You still remember this right?

You seem far too pro dash to me.  This is a proven scam coin over and over. There is no way around it or putting it in context. Back then it was released during a phase where there was a fair release protocol being followed by most pow coin releases ...this was probably the fairest entry point for a miner into crypto. Dash or xcoin was the worst and most deliberate pretend to be fair release whilst captive instamining HUGE amounts of the minting themselves. To follow that with a slashing of the minting is mind blowing. The masternodes are the icing on the cake.

If you are not clear on dash being a scam it is impossible to be clear on any other coin on here being a scam at all.

I am a fan of most of your posting but being pro dash now is not at all inline with your other posts. I must hear you confirm dash is a scam coin now.

Not that I care but you seem to like to listen to lies. It was debunked and Tone even admitted that they didn't do their research properly.
It was just a hit piece.
You formed your opinion so I don't want to even try to help you.

Nothing in the Tone/Fluffy podcast was "debunked."  It was a factual discussion of Dash's scamming, not a "hit piece."

Funny how quickly you change your mind about Tone when he stops drinking the Evan's Gate cult Kool-Aid.

'member this?

Their attitude towards others is based solely upon if you drink the Kool-Aid or not.

A healthy community exists where people can agree to disagree without getting offended and not being butthurt and even maturely respecting the other party for their differing points of view, no matter how ridiculous their views are.

Dash does not appear to have this.

A simple example of this is that myself and iCEBREAKER are not at each other's throats despite the fact that we probably do disagree on a number of things. iCEBREAKER and I in the past had a beef but I think we both grew up and realized that our bickering was childish and didn't really matter.

I have no personal beef with dash supporters. What I do have a beef with is when the DASH supporters attempt to cover up the truth about the notable history of Xcoin/DARKCOIN/DASH and any controversial items and put a spin on all of it saying "it's okay because Evan did it..."...etc .....etc.....etc...

Cult of personality reigns supreme in the Dash community.

The Kool-Aid commentary coming up from the Monero shill's is a rip-off from them being called cult lunatics.. they were called cult wacko's first and liked it so started using it in defense.

Which is par for the course.. you will notice they have a pattern of doing that.

And cryptohunter i was clearly not advocating either coin.
I was simply saying i doubt most people in this grand Dash vs Monero saga care about a coin being scammy.
They care far more about which one will give them profits..

So i was speaking to them saying had they chose the other one they would be sitting on a large profit me thinks ;)

Really i don't see why the Monero guys have to worry so much about Dash if they are superior like they claim.
I guess it's a competition thing going on here for 2 years with a battle of public perception.
For what ?
If the Monero lunatics spent as much time here slinging bullshit on the forum as they did adoption maybe their coin would be successful and they would not be so bitter.
Seems to me they are angry and jealous over Dash and are simply lashing out like children.

It's rather unbecoming and no sir i don't like it ..i don't like it one bit  >:(

I changed my mind from, wait a sec, Minotaur26's mind to Lukas_Jackson's mind? Is this what you mean?  :D

Should I remind you the Jaxx integration?
monero cultists - "wow, jaxx, awesome. It will be so cool"

Anthony Di Iorio - "It's a crap, monero is a crap. We can't integrate this piece of shit into our jaxx wallet"

monero cultists - "you fucking asshole, Anthony Di Whorio, fuck you!!!111ONE"

You probably shouldn't. It would look strange in a thread about something else entirely and might make you seem unstable.


I hope you take my advice in the spirit it was meant.

Most amateur developers will struggle with Cryptonote implementations cause all they know is the basic BTC RPC interface and crown themselves as "developers" when really they are just pissy they cant just copy pasta like the rest of their development.

Bump.  The fraudulent Dash scam is still luring in new victims.

We need to keep shining a bright light on this community of cockroaches until they scatter.

Hopefully the SEC will notice Dash meets the Howey Test requirements for an illegal security and take action before many more people lose their life savings in this HYIP.

I've always stayed away from DASH because of the issues that the OP mentioned.  However, I'm into DeepOnion because I think this coin has a chance to replace DASH by not making the same mistakes.  It is still a new coin so we have to wait and see.  It's also a tiny fraction of the price of DASH.

I wonder how long it will take for FINCEN to crack down on Dash? The violations are pretty blatant. It'll be fun to watch the masternode holders' futile attempts to get out. Given that they'll be selling off in multiple chunks of 1000 Dash, I wouldn't be surprised to see a single day plummet of 70-90%. A dump by even two or three of the large masternode owners would reduce the buy support to practically nothing.