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I'm starting to get very worried about the state of international relations. Trump is a potential threat to world peace, and growing tensions with China and other countries are becoming a real threat.

So, if a World war starts, there are all sorts of scenarios we can consider, but what do you guys think it could happen to Bitcoin?

Well, for a complete Bitcoin outage there must be a complete outage of electricity and communications in large parts of the world. That would require an extreme form of world war - much more heavy than WW2. It's realistic in a nuclear war, and then we're doomed anyway  :P.

But for massive conflicts the best option to make Bitcoin survive are mesh networks (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesh_networking) of Wi-Fi routers that replace the current internet service providers (as nearly everyone in industrialized countries own a wi-fi router or an Android phone they can be organized quite quickly).

And for electricity, solar or wind energy for Bitcoin users. There are countries like Germany where already a high proportion of houses have photovoltaic panels, so that's not an unrealistic option.

Nothing. Bitcoin don't care.

if your worry is a nuclear bomb causing an EMP in your location.. chances are the radiation is going to burn your skin and kill you before you get to buy a new car/house with your bitcoin.

If even one bitcoin node can remain attached to internet than bitcoin network will keep working (may need few miners too). And i am sure even in the case of world war there are lots of country which will not involve in this and there will be few nodes and miners from those country too which will keep supporting bitcoin. So i don't think we have to worry about world war.  ;)

Nothing will happen I believe. Because even if there's a war, not all country will be affected by it. Remember the 2nd World War, some countries are neutral so nothing happens to them. So I believe bitcoin will still exist even there's a WW3.

For Bitcoin network to work properly we need two conditions : miners and nodes.

There is two degrees of war :

Electricity and internet are cut : In that way we would head toward several forks and Bitcoin would be pretty doomed if we never agree after the end of the war what chain is the best one. The best in this case would be that everyone agrees about stopping running the nodes and the mining pools, so that we can all get back to the same point.

They are not : However, the most reasonable option will be that none of these things will be cut, as we would need a reallt big war for this to be cut. In case they are not the things would simply work a bit slowly, since there would probably have electricity cuts at night so that the houses do not get spotted in air bombings. So we would get periodically the pools to go offline, depending on their timezones. Hopefully, they would not all go offline at the same time.

But do not worry, a World War is far from happening !

Electricity and the Internet will protect the presence of bitcoin as long as it is. I do not think all countries will join in this if there is a world war.
If China goes into world war, the price of bitcoin will decrease. People will want to panic and sell bitcoins.

But I do not think it will be a world war from scratch.

I think not only the bitcoin but all of the kind of stocks, currencies will be on its maximum dump price because that is world war and a lot of countries will fight to each other and it will affect the whole market world a lot and also be the cause for the investors whether it is big or small to cash out and sell their shares to avoid getting negative profits.

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If a world war start it's possible we won't have running water, medicine, internet access and many other things. You won't have time to think about Bitcoin, but it doesn't mean it won't survive. When we go back to peace people will remind themselves about investments.

I've been thinking about it for a long time, when the third world war happens, all Internet access to be very chaotic, including third world countries, we lose bitcoin acces, there is even a possibility for hacked by intelligence. Positive situation: if America is defeated in a war, or there are no winners in war, bitcoin would be a deal solution to be center of world currency (neutral currency)

During the war, it's clear we will lose total access to our bitcoin account. And there's no guarantee we'll still have accounts after war ended.


The second world war, you feel it? This is not about American invasion of Syria or Iraq. world war is a time where countries compete for allies, and all countries feel the effects of an unstable situation. Neutral countries will also be affected, financial state becomes unstable due to foreign exchange market is not functioning at all.

We most likely won't have access to electricity and Internet. I don't think the companies will continue working for us :D we also won't have cellular signal, nothing. So Bitcoin could be worthless until the Internet is back... I think the price would rise (>100x) substantially and those who could still use it would be able to survive..

Entertainingly there will be two ways the war can come about, be performed, and the end result.

Right now the lines are being drawn so that a lot of nationalist nations are matched up against globalist nations. A lot of thought experiments go into this, but in the event of a third world war it would likely start through China and the US. Europe would no longer be out to immediately join NATO/the west, and it would be a lot more of a political game. So the two ways it starts are nationalism vs globalism or china vs the us.

Ways the war goes: blitz war destroying China's economic capacity and destabilizing the citizenship, resulting in a de facto win for the US, or a war of attrition which may result in the chinese being victories after numerous amounts of casualties.

End results: US maintains world hegemony and china loses a lot of their international power, or the US is overthrown and we get multiple world powers as opposed to superpowers.

That's just what it looks like right now, it can change very rapidly.

Well i reckon that bitcoin will def survive, even in world wars there is always some countries that are untouched by war ie:Iceland (some mining will continue).  I reckon that if WWIII happens, china will be on the receiving end of a few nukes so we might see the Hashrate drop a little along with the diff after a few days.  But bitcoin like the cockroaches will survive.   ;D

Bitcoin will be harder to send but more of a hassle, but definitely the price will skyrocket.

Bitcoin will thrive in internet sanctuaries.

when it is war, I think people who face it do not think much about money, but they think how to survive and escape from that war. probably money can save them by living in the other country. however, people are panic, and probably will panic sell in order to buy sonething or to move to the other country, so the price would increase. but I think it will not affect much on bitcoin network.

Interesting one. I think it would be either the end or the break thru of Bitcoin. You would need to keep the network up and running and this with a reduced hash power i would assume. Also decentralization would be a big thing and also enough people who still had an interest in Bitcoin. If you could not manage this then Bitcoin could plummet to very low numbers, but if you manage, then it might become the leading currency.

I'll go under my blanket until it's over, seriously though there are 5 countries with the most destructive power and all are somehow equal in military capabilities and are permanent members of UN which supposedly was established to prevent another worldwide war and if they fail to do so or you think they are not able to do anything in regards of doing that, then you should start questioning why UN exist and your countries are so proud of being a part of it.

The bitcoin price can go up or down as in panic all the bitcoin users will try to sell off and convert it to fiat currency as everyone in fear of electricity and  Internet network will surely get disturbed and how much time will it take for the war to close that is not knowable so it will surely get affected.

Fixed that for you.  Trump is the worst thing to happen to the world since Adolph Hitler, and I'm hoping he'll die in office somehow.  So if WW3 breaks out?  Given the state of our collective weapons, we're probably all screwed and bitcoin should be the last of our worries.  Eating and living under a roof are two things that immediately come to mind as things that won't be taken for granted anymore.  Trump would probably find a way to blow up the whole internet--and there won't be anymore bitcoin to speak of.

nothing would happen, I believe that it would actually have a positive change on the price because the people would start using bitcoin for sending money as the banks would most probably be destroyed and stuff

Bitcoin network will shutdown because the miners will get panic and investors will sell all their bitcoins. World war is one of the most thing that i'm scared of because this will make a big negative change in the world and the one who will be in danger is bitcoin because it is still young.

You shouldn't worry about Bitcoin if WW3 start, should worry about your family & friends.  :D

Well said, the main concern should be upon your family and friends. World war won't make bitcoin worse, even if internet connection is broken too some part of the world bitcoin gets used. So nothing to worry about it. Once again it grow high with good potential. Truly speaking if world war starts too very few country gets affected much, so rather than thinking its good to have humanity.

With nuclear weaponry, I zee countries like China, America, Russia and Britain being hit with nukes. Bitcoin will survive and it would be like a blinking light bulb  but it will improve years when the war is over and the nations rebuild. Bitcoin will not die because there are neutral nations using it.

The main thing is Electricity and Internet. I know we have so many ways to generate one now and expect the technology to improve but I don't know how Bitcoin would survive without internet. The probability of world war happening again is very small because I don't think people are still stupid to be lead into any war for selfish reasons

first think of human then think of bitcoin. bitcoin is not feed on any single system that if we affect the system then bitcoin would become unstable but bitcoin is distribute on several system of miner so if any particular region get affected by war weapons and bombs then also nothing is going got happen to bitcoin as it is distributed world wide.

First of all think of all things that may result when a world war happens between china and any other big countries that has an issue with each other right now.First if it happens for sure electricity for big countries is will be out and if that country has the most number of bitcoin users of there is a bitcoin network there obviously bitcoin will came into an outbreak.Admins o network will not be able to acces system without internet and electricity which will be surely out if world war begins

You obviously have never seen war movies. Have you seen London bombings during WWII? They had electricity back then, now it's much easier to run generators than it used to be 80 years ago.
A war would not mean the lack of power, Internet or any other, unless you'd get nuked, but then you wouldn't have to worry about those things anymore ;)

Do not freak out from something that is purely coming from opinion and conspiracy theory. The right time to worry is when there is already a declaration of war made between countries. Bitcoin will keep on getting stronger this year and there will be no war as you predicted. Instead of war affecting bitcoins it will be countries adopting bitcoins.

Correct, and the predictions of those people who are always keep on saying that bitcoin will die would come true at last, and we are also going to die if this World War 3 would really happen in the future, but let's hope that it will not. We are living on the Computer Age right now, so the World War 3 will be like a World Massacre, many people will die, many houses will be ruined because of the bombing that will happen, exchanging of guns fire, and above all of that, this world will become like a hell, fires everywhere.

And because of this destruction and situation, bitcoin will obviously die, because there will be no one, who is not insane to think bitcoin first rather than himself during a War, only greedy and insane people will do that.

I don't know....things are really looking precarious.  We may be heading for some form of world conflict.  I think that a direct hit on the bitcoin network is more likely than the indirect consequences of a world war.  I can see somebody like Trump initiating an attack on bitcoin directly....just before war breaks out....gold, silver, and other metals will see increased investments....bitcoin price will tank....I'll buy it all up....things will fall back into order....and bitcoin price will rise again!

This is the first thing I would think also.
There is a war and we will still think about bitcoin? That is hilarious. Maybe you will be spending all of it to buy water and food that can be preserved for a long time.
But before that, markets will go down so with just a threat I would think of withdrawing all my funds before it becomes zero.

Fiat is the last thing you want. Haven't you guys watched or read what happens when a government collapses?


In a world without bitcoin, people will buy and hoard gold and jewelries in times of war. Or shift to a currency with the strongest government.

bitcoin network may be developed, because it will be very important, and will be very useful when the world war came, because bitcoin can conduct transactions very quickly, and it can be used to buy weapons in the dark web.

If there is world war and internet is destroyed, bitcoin network will automatically stop.  Probably it will stop until internet and nodes were up again.  As long as there is an internet and some unit that function as nodes, bitcoin network will continue to exist, except there is no one willing to support the Bitcoin network.

Let's preach peace and love to avoid world war 3 as you see it!
Afaik if war broke out one of the military tactics used will need to disrupt communication of the enemy which means the enemy won't have access to the bitcoin network to cut them off from doing any business.

if bitcoin became a worldwide currency replacing all other fiat currency, the i would expect countries to develop ways to shut down the entire  electrical and computers of other countries by hacking or pure emp weapons thereafter, . .then you could simply disable a countries inner workings and shut down their economies without bombing its land and citizens, . .i think if we all adopt a digital currency system, the development of electrical weapon technologies will undoubtedly follow simply due to the mistrusting nature of mankind towards his neighbors

maybe they move to POS? so that it doesn't require very high spec for consensus?

Why are you so negative? Why do you think trump is a potential threat to a world peace? Maybe he's a good leader that no one can influence him.

What might gonna happen in our bitcoin Network when the world war breaks out? Bitcoin will become completely worthless as well as fiat money.We experienced it that before. No money, lack of foods and we became slaves. The worst part of the war, Governments will hack each others systems.

International web hacking to disable inner national trade BTC and other altcoins systems such as exchanges within various nations and bitcoin manipulation through market means to distabalize the system, inner nation power grid outages through selective bombing.

Trump is going against the norm with many of his radical reforms and decisions he makes. This will most definitely alienate him from some

countries. {Mexico / China / Muslim countries } We might see some increased political instability from some of these hostile nations and this

might lead to war. Bitcoin might be seen as a safe haven, during these times... but WAR will destroy infrastructure and influence the internet.  :(

Bitcoin travels at spectrum space. Unless all the internet network providers are down or a quarter of them are down Bitcoin will still survive. Internet is distributed worldwide and back up by multimillion companies using space satellites. Internet won't go down when two countries at war but if the damage will be at the databases and the satellites of network providers, internet will be no more.
Another possibility of world war is in the world of cyberwarfare, if the hackers attack most of the FBI, CIA, Google, Microsoft, yahoo, and other big companies that will affect government and powerful people's documents and files I think they will mandate to stop the whole internet and this will be a long maintenance in the network. Bitcoin will hold off too when that happens. There will be a great chaos in physical world and cyberspace when there will be world war three. That time it will be a life and death situation.
Bitcoin will be disregarded when that time come even paper money will not be accepted because the way of exchange will be physical. (E.G. food to food, medicine to medicine, water to protection.)

Yes. Even if the internet isn't effected....market places will be effected by a major event.  Bitcoin may be easy to transfer across borders, but the resources purchased with the bitcoin will have a much harder time reaching their destinations.  Trade is a bidirectional exchange....let us not forget about that.

That is a big if, but if world war started bitcoin will be able to survive somehow but the value of it will plummet as people decide they prefer to eat instead of speculating with bitcoin during such difficult times.

I don't personally think that Trump is a threat or potential threat to the world peace. And though we know that he is racist and trying to do something to block some migrants and deports some of them. Still I don't think he is the one that will startled out a war. But we should keep an eye on the fat crazy guy of North Korea, he is more threatening with his nuclear tests. Bitcoin won't be dead and literally affected but the hardware and major medium that we are using for transacting bitcoins and the some part of the market will be affected if they will be in the middle of that war. But not totally the whole market of bitcoin and bitcoin itself.

Simple, it will be attacked and there wouldn't core Devs to develop it. Interest will dwindle down and they are likely to be incidents of stolen wallets and keys. Everything will be messy in such an instance and that's why I pray against that happening.

if the Internet did not die when the war came. it bitcoin will be subjected many people to hide or save their money from inflation, theft, robbery, etc

   

hummmm hard to say esp being that you ? is based on complete paranoia or just a real low grasp of reality and has no real relevance..   

Im sure Bitcoin network will experienced huge network traffic because I think panic selling of bitcoin and exchange to fiat will eventually happen especially if the countries involved are like CHINA and USA, bitcoin market will surely fall if war arise,  maybe many exchanges will tend to closed and runaway because in war we don't need bitcoins , instead we need food to survive. 

If a world war starts, the internet infrastructure would likely be the first to be disrupted. Without the internet, Bitcoin will not work and Bitcoin would cease to exist. I doubt you would have electricity if there is a war in the first place so the nodes and the miners would be down too.
Impossible, it isn't as easy as pushing a switch and nodes wouldn't run without electricity.

Nothing will happen to the bitcoin network even though World War 3 will start, it is just a software or program which can't be damage by this bombs, guns and so on, so what we have to worry about is ourselves, it is world war, and it is not good if we are still thinking about bitcoin when that day comes, because if we are going to die when that time comes, then what is the sense of having so much bitcoin, we can't have it if we are dead already.

So, if the world war 3 starts? I am sure that I already have a plan and know what to do for my safety and for my family and friends safety, not thinking about this Bitcoin Network.

If there was a World War, I really wouldn't have to even have my computer on because there would be far more things that needs working on other than discussing things online and lurking in forums. Bitcoin would just die off if there wasn't any internet access depending on the type of war it is. Bitcoin could survive the World War if the internet stays up and the people of the world use the payment system within the underground stores.

If the only basis for Bitcoin to survive a world war only the internet then,  I am 100% Bitcoin network will survive.  It may have to stop during the war but when it is over, the network will go back alive since internet will surely reestablish after the war.  Though I am sure lots of Bitcoin will have lost its owner and private key.

Probably some countries will use bitcoins to buy more weapons and fighter jets. In a case of world war, many areas will be out of coverage so we might face trouble if miners will go out of connectivity area.

Or nothing will happen at all for bitcoin directly as the governments around the world will be busy in fighting with each other, it will affect the economic relations of the world and impact will be indirectly on us.

You're right, if there is a bunch of Bitcoin holders that died within the World War then there would be a smaller supply of Bitcoin available within the world. It's pretty messed up though it is what it is. If Bitcoin has a strong network or if someone implements Bitcoin on a meshnet then the people that use Bitcoin when/if that World War situation starts they will have a chance of using Bitcoin later when the War is pretty much over.

I'm thinking if there's a world war in the nuclear age I don't give a shit what happens to any form of money. My only concerns will be, does this cave in this mountain go deep enough and should I have looted one more grocery store before I drove to this cave.

North Korea is just a paper tiger, while they have some nuclear capability they will bend if enough pressure is applied upon them, the only real threat to the world is a superpower going rogue or something and putting a crazy leader in power.

If the world war happens, the bitcoin network will remain. It will not affected by the issues of world war because its conclude only soldier but I think we cannot used bitcoin on that because the connection between our country and others will temporary stop so that we can't cashout our bitcoin.

Do you think it is odd you worry more about a virtual currency that can't feel pain,

instead of Women, & Children & your Fellow Man.

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Realize what is truly important while you are here, our time here is already too short to ignore the true beauty of this world.
And if you think BTC is the more important, then I Pity You!


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I agree that Trump is an awful, narcissistic, sociopath. But so are most world leaders. The difference is, is that Trump is also on the Autistic spectrum (low end, very high functioning, it used to be described as mild Asperger's, but now it all falls under the Autistic spectrum.) This means he has trouble communicating, rambles on and on, says whatever comes to mind with no filter. He doesn't see the world like you and I. Perhaps it's partly the fame gone to his head. This election, this presidency, it's always been about ratings to him. Maybe he seeks acceptance, maybe his father never hugged him. Whatever the root cause, he acts as if the USA is his stage for a tragic performance. I question, do you think he is briefed on state secrets? Would you trust a man like The Donald with secret projects at Area 51, or logistics of the CIA's most covert operations? I'd have to imagine that top security officials would be smart enough to give him the run around as well.

Trump is the most figureheaded president in history, in my opinion. He spews hate even he himself doesn't truly believe in. He is an awful man yes, but perhaps some good can come from it...

One of the worst things of the election of trump did, was reflect on the American people. How could we pick such a leader? Our morals as a country must've fallen so much. At least from an outside perspective. But then we start to see things happening. Federal judges blocking his travel ban. Lawsuits against him. While yes, it makes the USA look weak, it also shows the power of our political system and the broad checks and balances set in place to control the distribution of power. And just maybe, the outside world might see this and say "perhaps all American's are not like their premier elected official, perhaps there is some hope."

As far as a WWIII breaking out. I wouldn't worry too much. It was the Kremlin that leaked the Hillary Clinton eMails which ultimately led to her high fall from grace. They wanted Trump in the presidency (Putin has been quoted as calling Trump "the [sic] dummy candidate." There's no doubt that the cold war is back in swing. I mean, we're fighting a proxy war with Russia, in Syria right now. Putin has no reason to initiate any aggression towards the US. He has everything right in the place he wants it.

As far as China goes. We have a policy with them. China is the largest foreign holder of US currency reserves. We did that on purpose. If China was to invade the US, they would be devaluating their own reserves and currency. They have a stake in the economical future of the US.

Now, when Trump tries to enact travel bans "to keep our country safe," he's really doing the opposite, and just pissing off a bunch of already pissed off people who live in countries wartorn by our policy of economic conflict.

To any non-Americans out there. Know that the media, the Kremlin and a bunch of hicks from the backwoods put Trump into power. The only ones who had not become so disillusioned with our political system. Maybe the wise stood back and watched, and that was our gravest mistake.

With that mentality of some of the members posting here,I don't think we're that from provoking the next war.Really bitcoin network should be our primary concern when people are dying every other second ? And what if the network counties to function without any problems ? Would you still be doubling your bitcoins on daily trading or gambling when half of your people are dying ? 

I think Bitcoin is the concern since this is a Bitcoin forum and under the Bitcoin Discussion section.  There is no doubt that each one of us do care about our love ones but for the sake of Discussion or topic, this thread is created.  But there is no doubt lots of people are still concern with their personal agenda on taking advantage of every situation.  As long as they are not yet affected by war, probably they will take advantage of the Market crash and buy it themselves so if ever they survived the war they have lots of market stocks that were bought cheap and that include Bitcoin.

Yeah I guess, lol. I don't that this people are going to think about the bitcoin network if this World War 3 is going to start, maybe only those people who are always thinking about money, yes, but only insane people are going to think money before themselves if this world war is going to happen.

We can't take money to our grave, I mean, what is the sense of having money if we are already dead. It would be better if we are going to think for a plan to survive this World War in case this thing is really going to happen in the future.

That's why being too fanatic is just not a good idea. There's no point of thinking about cryptocurrency in the world war, it's ain't worth my time whereas people are fighting and probably the world's crisis will occur.
Even I'm sure that if there's nuclear war, tonnes of gold will worth a dust, only food is the most valuable in this world at that time.

As far as it concerns all the relevant infrastructures (electricity, internet) will not be affected except the countries that will be involved in this war. On the other side and the bitcoin exclusively, then it depends from the rest countries. So, if there are people to give value and miners to include transactions in their blocks and secure the network even with many hassles bitcoin will not die but I have the sense the price will collapse so will have not to care about it.

As said only the countries that involve into the war gets detached from the bitcoin usage. The remaining country users can make use of it. People sure give value to it, because the price is something very high compared to any other currency. So even at those situation it can help with its increased price features.

I think the concern country will detached from bitcoin if there would be a world war. But still for sure bitcoin will still be used by anyone as long the internet connection is intact and they can exchange it into fiat. In case if this would happen, I think a solution should be think first before other things .!

Even if china goes into war,Bitcoin price will not decrease.Bitcoin mining will be shifted to other parts of world from china.Bitcoin holders would know the true value of bitcoins they hold since after the war,there would be huge unemployment and earning would be very difficult where bitcoin would be the best chance to sell and buy essential goods.

You should be more worried about internal situational of bitcoin network, in case of failed hard fork activation we could see permanent split to BU and BTC.
It would be much more dangerous that any external problem like war or brutal government regulation etc. that bitcoin can experience.

War can't kill bitcoin - miners + developers + community can.

Absolutely right war cant kill bitcoin but those things you mention can do the job and one of those factor would gone then its a sure big problem to bitcoin and possible to bring to its last days of existence.No matter how the world have big wars as long internet,community do continue to use it bitcoin would be alive.

You are not alone to think war could happen, definitely I see a war coming. Usa has president Trump, we all know these countries have their policies and for some reason many countries are trying to undermine them, with Asian countries never friends like China supporting Pakistan and India getting support from Japan and China and Japan locked over disputes. Yes it's a scary scenario and trump has added fuel to the fire by making a huge pay for the defense budget. In that scenario Bitcoins shall shoot through the roof, but let's hope common sense prevails among all.

The world War will affect the things like Electricity, Satellites, Internet, Network and also the society that leads to imbalance of the Bitcoin Society as well. As I can see, Country versus Country is now on the news and yet we are still been blocked by the media, hiding all the secret news that we need to know. If the World War will start, I think bitcoin will be passive or remain until the world war is done.

If at all if there is a world war ,just forget everything else and try to live the life you want and in the era of neuclear weapons i can guarantee that it will wipe out the entire human race .So nothing can be done and fear about your life rather than money in those situations because i dont give a damn about money if the war is on and money cannot buy you everything in those situations. :P You can take it as a joke but that is a fact.

Yup....I agree.  No currency, in any form, will be more negotiable then the skills required for self preservation. Knowledge and the ability to utilize, and take advantage of, LOCAL resources will be one's most valuable assets.  I think that many here are underestimating the effects of EMP's and the weapons that have been developed to specifically knock out communications and cause economic destruction.  If WWIII breaks out, don't waste any time securing the Bitcoin Network....take cover!

I don't see in the OP nothing that says he does not care about the persons of the world, but since this is a bitcoin forum then it is logical that the question needs to be related to bitcoin in some way or it will be just a random topic.