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if i buy bitcoin with a paypal account and then change this bitcoin wallet to another bitcoin wallet and with that wallet transfer bitcoin with somebody paypal money on another new pay^pal account, can they reach from all where it all start or every thing is lost because it is crypt ?:)

Don't bet on that. Bitcoin is pseudonymous, not anonymous.
If you really want to break the links, use a bitcoin mixer.

i've read about it and come with a conclusion on a website : New users should be warned that if you plan to use a mixer service, be sure to vet its reliability before putting coins into the platform. Some mixers are just scam sites looking to steal your bitcoins. You may also end up with someone else’s coins that have a history of criminal activity. In the end, using your own addresses to mix coins may be the most secure method, if less convenient.



so what do you advice me for bitcoin mixer?

It's better than most methods as far as anonymity goes but if you really want to be sure use a mixer. Even then it's still possible to track it back, but I wouldn't worry about it too much there bud.

Or just try to mix it using the wallet exchange site. I just see it about the little mixer service. but I always using bitmixer and never had a problem. With using the exchange site and you will get new random generate address.

How do you mix your coins using several addresses you silly? it doesn't matter what you gonna get from the mixer service as long as you could send bitcoins from several addresses to just one address without anyone be able to track those addresses and see that their funds all ended up in one address.
It doesn't work like paper money when banks put paint bombs in their vaults and when it's stolen the bomb goes off and renders the cash practically useless. you just need to hide the final destination of your coins which you can do securely and safely with complete confident using BitMixer.io
They're in business since 2014 to my knowledge and have more than 2000BTC in reserve.
And yes you can trust them because they are well established and have much to lose if try to betray their clients.

people don't sell bitcoin for paypal because paypal has charge back while bitcoin doesn't. the reverse is the same if you sell bitcoin for paypal you may get scammed.

sending from one wallet (one bitcoin address) to another wallet (another bitcoin address) does not make you anonymous. it is as easy as clicking to find out where the coins went, and as long as we know who owns the first address we can conclude the second address may belong to the same person too.

maybe you should tell us why you want to do this long process of Paypal > bitcoin > bitcoin > Paypal so we can help you with better solution?!!

Yeah, as quoted PayPal's terms and conditions were gives complete access of reversing, which is not possible with bitcoin. Even there are several experience put forth by users who lost bitcoin just because of making the transaction through paypal. As said bitcoin is pseudo anonymous and sure it is possible to track from the starting point of the transaction.

Not a wise move op. Firstly paypal does not allow such transactions. Secondly all payments made to paypal are reversible so it is very risky to do this. Secondly they will be able to track it, let's say Bitcoins address does not reveal your identity you are leaving a trail behind in PayPal account, if the authorities scoop down its very easy for them to link the two. From the post it's look like you are going to buy coins, I would advise you to do it from this forum trusted members, but again seeing your Rank it might be slightly difficult but you can try at least.

tracking it back means nothing if you don't know the name of the owner, and guess what? the mixer don't protect the name of the owner either in case of a purchase with bitcoin

because no matter what you do when you purchase somethign you need to reveal your name and address, unless you ship item to someone else and go there and take them afterward...

If you use any service that enforce AML/KYC in any transaction you Bitcoin anonymousity is gone. That is why Bitcoin is psuedoanonymous and not totally anonymous.

You will have no luck in that mate. Use a bitcoin mixer like others have suggested and before using it, make sure that it is a trusted bitcoin mixer. Wouldn't want to make your bitcoins untraceable by even yourself. XD

yes bitcoin is anonymous but its is also transparent as glass. because everyone could see your transaction and available wallet balance but no one could ever know that who the owner is.

Even if you use a trusted service, it is still possible to track coins by analyzing the in and out going transactions. No matter if you pay a higher than needed fee, the outgoing transactions will still total to nearly the same amount as the incoming transaction, even if it is send in multipel smaller chunks. If someone really wants to and you collect the coins in one final address, it is possible to track the coins.

Bitmixer and cryptomixer are the only trusted mixer i have seen so far. Mixing with own bitcoin address will be hard and not enough. You need to have big bitcoin reserve in your wallet and you should keep rotating bitcoin from one of your address to hundreds of your other addresses.

Yes bitcoin mixers will work for you but make sure you are going with the right one as there are almost thousands of websites which claim to be a bitcoin mixer but eventually they never return your deposited funds so go with service which is trusted by someone else before you.

Of course they can't, I mean no one would make an effort just to track someone's bitcoin on where it came from, and even though, buying bitcoin is not illegal on the first place, so there nothing to be afraid of, or have to worry about, because it is safe. What is wrong is if you are going to buy Farm accounts here, which is illegal, and if a DT or someone finds that it is just a Farm Account, then they would put a Red Trust on it, and the worst is you are going to get banned here.

You need to use mixer in transfer between your first bitcoin address and second one. I will suggest you to use multiple mixing services to get enough privacy. Use one bitcoin mixing service to send from your first bitcoin address (A) to B (create new bitcoin address) and than use another mixing service to move from B to C (your second bitcoin address) in this way even if there is effort to track down the source of bitcoin, they will fail to do so.

Another way to break the link is to deposit into a exchange site, convert it into altcoin and convert back to bitcoins. You will now have a new set of bitcoins. And if you did it right, you can even earn a few more coins in the process.

Are you joking right now? exchanges just show you that you have X amount of bitcoin or X amount of alt coins you could trade bitcoins back and forth for years without an actual result. at the end they will send you the same coins you first deposited from cold wallet. not to mention altcoins are mostly cash cows for their devs and you might lose more than half of your funds, best thing is to use a mixer just for once and let them do the work for you.

i think it is always possible to do that, also I am not sure about using paypal for buying bitcoins because there were quite a few happenings when peoples accounts were frozen after buying or selling bitcoins with paypal on an exchange.

Some countries don’t allow people to buy bitcoin like in south Korea, but for the most part you can easily get your hands on bitcoin and that is with some money, I mostly use local bitcoin for buying because I can buy as much as I want compared to some services which only sell 1 btc and I don’t have the money for it.

As others have rightly stated, avoid PayPal because of reversals!! You will not be protected at all.

Bitmixer could help with the bitcoin thing, but it ends there. You want something to be brought back to Paypal and that company wants an e-mail always which could be the reason you will be tracked.

Are we helping an illegal activity to happen here? If so, then I dont want to continue.

Not necessarily. Most exchanges have cold wallets used to store funds with coins being transferred there once a day or once every couple days (depending on the volume). You'd just need to send coins to an exchange and wait for them to mix with the cold wallet funds, and the result will be similar to putting it through a mixer. Of course a mixer is much easier to use, but there are other options.

With the sending of Bitcoin back and fort the only thing that you will accomplish is you loose some coins along the way because of the fee's and charges while you can always use a mixer like Bitmixer and if you are not satisfied and still in doubt you can use another mixer like Bitblender I think that will break any link you.

If you want to transfer your bitcoin anonymously then it is indeed that you have to use a bitcoin mixer there may be many well known bitcoin mixers out there but the best mixers are being advertised here . Anyway I just wonder why do you want it to be anonymous ;D lol