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Is it verified true?? and do these whales and other prestigious btc figures know its (QTUMS) founder is unraveling as previous scammer? How to contact roger ver I hope he has not been duped? is he even involved or perhaps they are just name dropping to garner support and legitimacy. What about the legit Billionaire?

What's up with QTUM - looks great - invested in by billionaires - backed by BTC whales - new chinese exchanges ready to accept and trade - great sig campaign - forbes, crypto publications all love it .... looked like a great new project right??

I thought it looked and sounded very appealing and was going to throw my usual btc weight around 0.1 - 0.25 btc for rare and promising ico gems.

But wait I am told 2 days ago that the founder is steven dai (now calling himself patrick dai) a known scammer extracting over 200BTC from bitbays investors and then refusing to do any work at all on the project ....but rather just take the 200 BTC and start his own new project QTUM

IS THIS CORRECT?? - seems like that shouldn't really work out too well.?

Is it even true there are billionaires, rodger ver and other very well known members of the btc community backing this or is that all just a load of scam propaganda?

I would love to see the real scam investigators look into this before 100% drawing conclusions about it.

I went to the qtum thread to hear more about it and there is nobody there with any real authority or knowledge to comment on it.

I have no investigative skills. So who can help us all out here and find out if this really is the very same steven dai that is a known scammer.

These guys need to be notified asap too... if you know how to directly contact any of them perhaps we should do our bit to at least give them the chance in investigate this themselves.

blah blah.... Chen Weixing, the billionaire founder of Kuaidi being in the fold, there is Anthony Di Iorio, Ethereum founder and CEO of JaxxWallet; Jeremy Gardner, co-founder of Augur and EIR at Blockchain Capital; David Lee Cuo Chuen, founder of Left Coast, Libai, and DLEE Capital Management.

Then there is Bo Shen, General Partner at Fenbushi Capital; Jehan Chu, Managing Partner at Jen Advisors; Qingzhong Gao, director of Huawei Strategic Cooperation; Xu Star, OKCoin CEO; Lihua Yi; and, Partner of ZhongWo Investment. Add to that Xiaolai Li, one of biggest bitcoin holders in the world and a Blockchain Angel backer.

This is like the DD and scrutiny all these ICOs should go through reall especially the big ones.

It starts in march so we have time to analyse all of this thoroughly.

Great project or scammer self enrichment scheme building up steem?

This is not a techincal analysis of the project this is an investigation into the possible scammer who is the founder and probably main beneficiary of this project

scam project or scammer or what?


Nothing except blatantly off topic or copious swearing will be deleted. If you don't like it create your own thread and say anything you like.

What should happen if there is fire to accompany this toxic smoke?

Are you saying that Qtum founder is steven dai or as patrict dai,  known as scammer who extracted 200BTC in bitbay investors. That's a seriously accusation dude. though I'm not depending qtum, but if that is true this will be also a serious problem with qtum also.

I am saying that is EXACTLY  what i have been told and I would think this deserves further investigation right now for sure.

I never accuse I only ask the question. If it is not him then of course there is no problem. If it IS him then.......yes I would think that could be a huge problem for that project. I don't think you can just boot out the founder can you?

Then again perhaps it is not him but this question needs clearing up before hand.

Don't know if this is true or not but there are flooding posts on this issue both on the Qtum and BitBay threads

What caught my attention mainly is this message below:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=890531.msg17942817#msg17942817

The fact that github is not updated makes me perplex whether those accusations might be true with the whole team being in or not. But this we don't know

keep this thread updated please, we need some proofs and short summary, doesnt make sense to read tons of posts from confused investors.

Please dont write anything without any proof. If you have solid proof ok its fine to write. QTUM is really a great project backed by big tycoons.Even you can see, there signature campaign was one of the best. I was one among them who participated in QTUM signature campaign.Please try to collect some proof and publish it.  QTUM has got a good potential .These types of comments will affect the reputation of QTUM digital currency itself.

BTC, LTC = Legit
99.9% of other coins = scams

You are 100% correct. Of course we won't speculate or guess we are only interested in getting to the truth of the matter. If this person is not the same person that stole 200BTC + bay tokens from the bitbay ico then we can carry on and delete this thread.

However before we get started with the ICO this question should be addressed of course.

Let me add another red flag into your decision making.

Roger Ver hates Star Xu. He is in a legal battle with Okcoin.
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-investor-roger-ver-to-push-for-okcoin-liquidation-in-court/


Do you honestly think they can work together?

As I see it, the project lumped together all the popular people in crypto to create an illusion of an all-star team. Even this Bo Shen, lolz. Do some googling to understand.

Here are a few more red flags

1. It is now 3 days since allogations where made that Patrick Dai is Steven Dai, and still no response from QTUM team
2. Other relevant questions are also not answered in slack or ANN thread
3. It is not possible to find any any trace of the 4000 chinese that alledgedly are going to invest
4. There are 1317 members on their slack, but less activity than most slacks with 100 members that I have seen. Are those members real?
5. The ICO has not been yet. Why then is there a lot of people that blindly defend this project without being invested in it. Are they paid shills? If so, why are they needed?

None of the above is conclusive evidence of anything, but it makes me wonder...

most of the time you don't have to deep dive, just look who's shilling for that shit gives you an easy answer.

Yes you are right and its our right to know the truth. Having a negative thought in people's mind is also not good for the QTUM currency that too at the stage of starting ICO. It will only degrade its value. I hope QTUM team will clarify the doubts as early as possible. At present they may be busy in launching their ICO. Hope they will respond fast to this issue and  come out clean.

Too many illusions on the qtum project, Does roger ver realize if he on the same way with Star Xu. And i don't think if Okcoin is good project. So, the founder is trying to manipulating the condition and make a lot of the people are supporting qtum project. But this is my opinion. I respect about the others people's opinion.

Confirmed that patrik dai is stephen dai who scammed bitbay.

Qtum is done.

Next.

But was roger ver really in with this lot?

where did you get this information? Could you post source link here ？

My 2 cents...

I already read this in Black Coin thread.. I thought this is only FUD..
Strange times are coming with BTC rise we can expect everything, and this can come from anyone.
They had very successful camapigns with very good payments rates, and everything went fine.

Ok...you never accuse.



But you just accused without any evidence.     ???

The accused admitted his involvement (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1720632.msg17970923#msg17970923).

He confirmed it himself in a statement. Go read the qtum thread in detail it's all there.

Some people can't read?  ??? (He must already be a bag holder)

And So, Who is johnson Dai?  ;D This is unbelievable someone with a lot of the particular name.

I think the best think for Qtum moving forward is to tell Patrick/Johnson Dai or what is name may be to step down. People here have learnt their lesson and most do take the issue of scam lightly.

This is the most sophisticated scam, even more elaborate than deCLOUDs self-escrow scam, Patrick Dai has scammed so many famous angel investors, which astonishes me, how can those rich guys so silly to trust the liar?

Is there a investigate result of this coin ?

Spoetnik are you proud of me now?

I have not seen any evidence this guy did anything wrong.

Crypto is full of people making accusations without evidence.

What is the evidence Stephen/Patrick Dai did anything wrong? Actual evidence.

Bitbay developer Zimbeck is credible and says he has the evidence. The accused didn't deny that Zimbeck has that evidence.

Zimbeck says he has evidence of what exactly?

Go read the qtum thread in detail it's all there.

Cryptohunter, I don't know the background of this exactly, but the high-paying sig campaign with a self-moderated thread sends up a red flag.  Scammers with new coins hype them to death, and I've seen this before with Candlecoin (?) and one or two others.  None of this surprises me, and it's why I don't invest in shit coins.

You can call me naive, but still I am confused. I have read some posts from the Qtum thread but not all...
Qtum seems a great project,when i looked about it and when they started to market Qtum, honestly they spent a good amount of money to promote it. From sig campaign to articles posted on big sites, like Nasdaq, Forbes and others. Does it make sense to spend a good bag of cash like they did/do if it is for scamming at the end?

I plan on investing in Qtum. All I see here is another crypto witch hunt.

I welcome the scam accusations. I hope people get skeptical and don't invest. that means a better price for me when I invest

Seen this before with Adam Guerbuez's Viral or IconicExpert's Bytecent. People will lose money.

No comment from ver on this yet... what's his bct handle?

Very interesting read, not just because of Ver: http://coinjournal.net/ver-backed-qtum-started-bitbay-dai/

Very interesting reading the article. In either case I was not going to invest in this project

I actually planned to do deeper research before but believed I would invest from what I knew so far - until two days ago. But this seems to be a project that becomes less attractive and more concerning the more one knows, not only because the Dai-topic. Never a good sign.

With legit ICOs like Chronobank dumping, what more with an ICO that's shrouded with shady players.

https://medium.com/@icocountdown/due-diligence-pack-for-qtum-7369ef48917b#.vktswpql4

https://twitter.com/ICOcountdown/status/836316483504521222

Here you go everyone ;)

Indeed bring back fair launch POW this is all getting out of hand.

BTC, LTC = Legit
99.9% of other coins = scams

No, Crypto is evolving and no one can control it. How good is that?

http://heatledger.ghost.io/2016-year-end-crypto-roundup/

that could be a tad harsh ... but yes a lot of these new ICO's are pretty risky to say the very least.

yep 0/10 would not invest. but nice to see some "big" names burn in this one :)

DAIA has conducted a review of the upcoming Qtum ICO:
http://daia.group/2017/02/28/review-qtum/

Lets avoid sentiments, I expect a honorable person who is wrongly accuse to come around and defend themselves. Cases like this had shown up in the past that all we heard was that exposure, just like a rumour It turn out to be true. We need to protect ourselves from such scams, It can be so hurting to the community and forum if they were defrauded. If it turns out to be true the forum had served its purpose

Fuck you cocksuckers for not telling me this thread was up.  :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Which hole?

sure, but I only accept paycoin

Devolving:

Very suspicious project... I will stay VERY far away...

Nah. It's evolving, for sure
.

I looked at page 1 of the ANN and seen enough..
The very first *ignored* question / statement was "this better not be another ICO"
Further down it was confirmed it was ..There was not enough room to say ICO i guess in the first post  :D

It's REAL simple ..i don't support ICO's period.

If all those big shot idiot douche bags have money to burn then they can fund their own project..
THEN RELEASE IT WHEN IT'S MADE !

Rich people cooking up convoluted "schemes" using trendy tag lines is all this forum has amounted to in time.
I kept seeing "The internet of things" popping up and an old favorite "Smart Contracts"
And boasting about things like getting featured on Forbes or Yahoo etc.
They will post anything you submit for a fee like most "news" sites.
Yahoo was proud to post about LEO Coin for fuck sakes ROFL  :D

As always it just amounts to one thing.. will this "Scheme" drum up enough popularity ?
Then the Investards here will buy in.. what it is etc is of no importance.
Berni Madoff could come here and these idiots would buy his bullshit if they thought there was profits to be had.

You all do what ever the hell you want.. all i know is they weren't getting any of my money.
It wasn't even close either.  ::)

And before you cry FUD bear in mind i don't care what you all do.
It's a pointless waste of my time lecturing the greedy & stupid.. and blatantly corrupt.
Go hard Investards buy yer ICO'z fer teh ROI'z for all i care  :D

Me ?
I buy products that are made.. not digital ICO scheme IOU's for profit *maybe "one day"

Yours is a low IQ retort.

Devolving is more specific than your implied definition of evolving. We can say the universe is evolving, but in your implied definition that doesn't distinguish between systems that are diverging or converging.

In other words (for those slow-minded), in his implied definition of evolving, there exist two subsets and one of the subsets is devolving, thus something can be both evolving and devolving (if we use his incorrect implied definition of evolving).

Notwithstanding the correctness of the prior sentence (i.e. prior sentence is correct regardless), evolving is often taken to mean converging (which your quoted definition seems to state) since if we evolve to extinction then we did not survive evolution.

Ha sorry i thought you knew about this one. I should have titled it calling gleb since you practically crushed it single handed. Awesome work.

QTUM now REKTUM -

^^ someone else coined that not me^^ appropriate though.

We need to just say no to scammers. If you scam once you are a pariah and not to be accepted back. Sorry once trust is broken that's it.

They are speculating about this in the other ScamCoins-ᴙ-Us thread:

All i have thought the entire time i have been in Crypto is..
The more we all lower our standards for ROI'z the worse this all gets..
AND.. the more our potential for real large profits evaporate and attract bad laws.

I have seen the red-flags really badly from the majority in crypto since i got here mid-2013.

I was here in the middle of the night and i seen yet another guy say..
He was NOT losing interest because "he's still making money *sometimes"
And there you have it.. the entire scene summed up.

Who, what, where, when or why is 100% completely irrelevant.
All we have is sleazy spineless little douche bags that will popularize and push along ANY shithead scam that rolls along.
And it all snow balls with more rigged scam coins led by bigger pocket books.
Scam as in a "coin" deliberately released for the primary reason of profits.
Masked in the plausible deniability.

They just keep pushing a new coin in the grey area.
Into the we can't prove it's only made for profits area.
They know the game here and they are not leaving.

Either you people here desperate stupid & greedy smarten up or you WILL suffer the consequences.
And that goes for the idiot services too who support all the moronic schemes that never stop coming.
The entire scene keeps go along with the scam so they can profit off it.. then another comes out.
Then idiots chant how Altcoins are doing great and things have never been better.
Bull fucking shit idiots.
Altcoins are dead !
No one here is doing this with any credibility.. all we have is scammers left.

Take ethereum the no. 2 coin on planet Earth.
My scam topic on it and what we all figured out about it on launch was enough to scare people away from it for 2 years.
They secretly and quietly manipulated the price up over time and then ran a grandiose pump & hype campaign then you all forgot about morality and it's sketchy launch and started flogging it.. repeating the exact hype scene that happened with Doge coin.

I am tired of playing the rigged scammer coin game by whales -Monoply for ROI's with crooked coinz bankers.
Only an idiot who is desperate would play along with a corrupt rigged game.

And ?

Start a Roger Ver is a monster in the Altcoin scene topic then.
And again i am not for or against the guy either.
Indifferent.

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EDIT:
Blows me away the topic below this one is Risto's forum game topic.. do i have to point out why that is bad ? Again ?

I love how you focus like a laser beam on one guy and ignore the other you know well for years on end.

Did I write Roger Ver is a scammer? No.

I merely wrote that two of his recent affiliations are allegedly scams. Don't know yet if there is definite connection or pattern. He may just be gullible.

I listened to him some and read a bit of his writings and he appears to me to be reasonably ill-informed (and perhaps even technologically impaired). But I don't know much about him yet.

I think this topic's purpose is to generate confusion in the community.
Before saying that someone did something , you should think if you have proof.
If you have proof , you should think if it is valid , do some research before.
Anyway , the ICO should be incoming , so just be careful with your BTC , people!

WOW the new protector of anything related to dash. Stop bringing up xmr as a diversion to everything.

VER is said to be supporting 2 scams. What do you say that refutes this? If he is not supporting the dash scam (that you fully recognise as a scam) and qtum that is founded by a scammer?

Why are you indifferent to him?

I dont see you being slow or indifferent to other people that support scams?

If he is supporting scams then this needs to be known and highlighted and if he not aware perhaps he should be notified.

If you have turned in to a dash supporter now I want to know why.

Again I ask you to answer yes or no

Is dash a scam?

This is the 3rd time I am asking you this same question and each time you are avoiding it.

Is dash a scam??? ...YES OR NO

I'd say we have no more proof of scam or manipulation for Dash, Monero or Qtum.
It's not easy to have a smoking gun.. we can't see inside people's heads.
They loiter in a grey area of plausible deniability.. circumstantial shit etc.

What i do see is liars from Monero and honest answers from Dash guys.
If there are negative aspects to the coin etc then so what.. put it on the table.
Monero assholes don't.. they lie their ass off (For Years)

And Qtum ?
A lot more suspicious looking than both combined and.. an ICO !
And you will notice there is a HUGE team of silence LOL

So i see 1 group silent.
I see 1 vocal and fairly honest and up front about shit.
And the last one who loiters around trolling and denying they have skeletons in their closet.

You all can tell which is which i am sure ;)

PS:
I have no intention of owning any of those 3 coins EVER !

hmm so you group dash in with xmr and qtum as scams.

I mean you said dash was an ultra scam in 2014 and hate xmr so that is good enough i guess. qtum as you know has it seems a founder that is a scammer.

A lot of your comments lately look very pro dash.

I think in anti dash threads you should not contaminate them with defence based around xmr and eth. These are separate issues and do not justify other scams.

for example you had no doubts here of dash  being ultra scammy. Don't dout it now. This nonsense about intent is toks rebuttal you you back then and you didn't stand for that obvious nonsense then why bring that argument you refuted back then up now.


just because you think xmr is worse or qtum is worse (perhaps they are) still dash is ultra scammy too.

I have no idea why you struggle just to say yes dash is a scam when you called it ultra scammy in the past. Nothing has changed about it.

anyway repeating the same stuff about dash become tiring as with other scams ....

I think you are just jealous of Dash being a Monero Cult Member Zealot.
Dash just keeps going up & up and Monero is like a rock in your xmas stocking  :D
Come to terms with it you picked the wrong coin to bag-hold.
[FACTS] = Dash rocks your face !

You learned your lesson to huh ?
NEVER use my "FACTS" tag man.. mod's will fuck you up !  ;D  8)

But seriously, you have shown yourself to be a rabid manic Dash hater here big time.. WHY ?
Did Evan steal your your Girl-Friend or what ?
Did he put his seed in your sisters belly ? ..i don't get it  ???

I bring the FACTS !

What do you bring ? A whole lot of trolling topics the staff here have to delete.
Don't believe me people ? Scroll down he had two of them removed today alone.

Why should i play along with a fanatical spaz ?
Seek professional help.. you can flop on your back and rail on about the evil Spoetnik.  :D

PS:
Dash = $46.19 ..and rising  :D  :D  :D  :o

So now you come clean have you been paid off and are on evans payroll?
Your credibility is now zero

Show one shred of support i have even give xmr. Come with your facts ?? you attempt diversion only.

Your post history shows a dash conversion born of a pay off. Others have noticed and I notice it now.

You were in financial issues and on welfare nobody will blame you just come clean now.

Don't try to divert because nobody will ever believe I have anything to do with xmr. So that diversion will not work.

I won't be drawn into any personal swearing or gf childish remarks.

Bring your facts and defend you sudden change of heart ... no diversion no swearing no foul language just the facts and reasoning... lets see what you bring.

From Ultra scam coin to cheer leader for the same coin?? I think not.

Explain and not with the usual ranting and nonsense.

Its simple why the change of heart from ultra scam coin to cheer leading dash along and defending it on every opportunity under the guise of hating other scams.

You are simply another dash shill there is clear indication of this just from viewing your post history. Unless you are on welfare for personality disorders. This is another serious question not an attempt to make fun of your personal problems.

Are you okay spoetnik I'm worried about you.

Also learn to count they locked 1 and it was probably you that whined to them because you did not want to answer.

yes , maybe an investor confidence in Qtum is necessary, but without txid + signmessage for BTC still can not be called Qtum will be scams, and deception of patrick et al have not proven to be true, just chatlog and some opinions.

Topic title ? LOL

OK i'll play along.. cryptohunter ;)

When Dark Coin launched i did not like it.
I also did not notice when they re-branded it etc i think i was away / not paying attention.
I was not watching ANN topics of coins i did not like back in early 2014.

I never supported Dash ..i always said it's not as bad as Monero.
Why ? Mainly the fanatical shill's that spew BS here.
I HAVE seen the Monero crew post a lot of dumb crap here.
If you go back far enough you can find them saying the opposite of any major statement a LOT !
In other words they have contradicted themselves lots or outright lied.
Hell look at my Trust Rating.
And i had issues with them far before that since day 1 pretty much.
2 years ago i made a topic mimic'ing Risto's .. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=772035.0

I never had any pay off in the slightest.
I simply seen the two going at it since day 1 and i had to take a side when i seen the Monero crap.
It started with Monero guys aggressively spamming this forum while simultaneously denying it.

Not much more to it than that.. sorry no grand conspiracy, sorry to let you down.

By the way i even defended iGotSpots  :D

tl;dr is @Spoetnik is more concerned with ego than facts.

He seems to be entirely oblivious to the egregious distinction of decentralization between the two coins he is writing about.

So he is an example of exactly what he complains about: the ignorance of speculators.

I waiting for the day he is going to go through with his threat and sell his claimed Bitcoin stash, this is someone that Bitcoin made and decided to block the obvious choice to scale Bitcoin because the blockstream team excluded him from the SegWit cake

Doesn't Ver also control bitcoin.com? I am guessing that his ego is larger than his brain. He is probably trying to avoid his share of the blockchain networth exponentially diluting, but this is the folly of fools. Being a whale due to fortuitous timing and/or work, must accompany the humbleness to appreciate that your individual role must be diluted in order for the overall system to grow exponentially. Click the quoted link about seniorage below as an analogy.


Ver seems to want to be involved with systems which violate that principle and try to have fiat masters who continue to receive seniorage ongoing as follows:


And he appears to be collaborating with manipulation experts (Casey Research and pink sheets mining stocks mining the speculators):


I think Ethereum is also in this "mine the speculator" business model:

Its so unfortunate that things turned out this way for Qtum if they never knew before and on the other hand I am happy if they knew because a lot of investors would have been saved by this eye opening happening right before the ICO. After reading the release of Patrick Daily admitting that he was really involved in bit bay, I just found his excuse not convincing enough which I am sure will go a large extent in determining whether Qtum is dead on arrival or not...

who is this latest defender of qtum?

Jordan Earlz?

I see him in the qtum thread now? who is this person apparently a well known figure in BTC?

I have head earlz mentioned before I think way back by bcx but then never heard of him again.

What's his deal being tied up in this?

increasingly cornered to the OP, where ico Qtum can be raised over $ 10 million, is a crowdsale explosion that occurred in mid-semester. although there is drama in the team Qtum, but raise more than $ 10 million is a pride by the team Qtum.

where's the proof of 10m?

worst try to shill here bro.

maybe you can see here (https://crowdsale.qtum.org/en/crowdsale), not exactly 10m, but 10k btc and 60k eth,it's worth $ 12m. and made me even more interested in roadmap to wait until next year.

Lmao that is not proof whatsoever. That's their own website, they can say whatever they want. How gullible/stupid are you? You do realize one of the key advantages of a blockchain is that you can verify transactions without having to trust a 3rd party, right? Lol. How has this very key concept been lost on you?

If they have the funds all they have to do (and all they can do) to prove that is to share tx ids or addresses for them, but they still haven't done that despite people asking for proof since the end of the ICO (really nobody should have to ask in the first place). In otherwords, they didn't raise the funds they are claiming to have raised. Not much of a suprised considering the project was exposed for being run by a known previous scammer (Dai) along with numerous other shady aspects to the project/ICO. Only a fool would trust them with their money.

I hope for your sake you didn't fall for that and give them your money.

This is the first time I've seen this thread. I've been active in Qtum's thread since March. They love me over there. My nickname is Old Man Haz Got No Job. See my last post.