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"The anti-Putin paranoia here is astonishing.

That he is a killer, a KGB thug, a murderer, is part of the daily rant of John McCain. At the Munich Security Conference this last weekend, Sen. Lindsey Graham promised, “2017 is going to be a year of kicking Russia in the ass in Congress.” How’s that for statesmanship.

But how does a president negotiate a modus vivendi with a rival great power when the leaders of his own party are sabotaging him and his efforts?

As for the mainstream media, they appear bent upon the ruin of Trump, and the stick with which they mean to beat him to death is this narrative:

Trump is the Siberian Candidate, the creature of Putin and the Kremlin. His ties to the Russians are old and deep. It was to help Trump that Russia hacked the DNC and the computer of Clinton campaign chief John Podesta, and saw to it WikiLeaks got the emails out to the American people during the campaign. Trump’s people secretly collaborated with Russian agents.

Believing Putin robbed Hillary Clinton of the presidency, Democrats are bent on revenge—on Putin and Trump.

And the epidemic of Russophobia makes it almost impossible to pursue normal relations. Indeed, in reaction to the constant attacks on them as poodles of Putin, the White House seems to be toughening up toward Russia."

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/is-a-trump-putin-detente-dead/

In my opinion, John McCain and Lindsey Graham should resign from the Republican party, and join the Democrats. McCain is a corrupt neocon, and Graham is a gay liberal. They will be more comfortable, being in the Democrat party.

who is anti putin, donald trump in US president this now friendship with putin

This is all true (even if the KGB has turned into the FSB), so how is that paranoia? I think Putin himself would admit these things behind closed doors. The funniest part of all this, is Putin tried so hard to get Trump into power and now he has no control over this lunatic in the White House. I guess Putin still wins with Trump working so hard to diminish American legitimacy in so many areas.

Putin is not our friend, to say the least.
Please ask Russian neighbors what they think about Putin and Russia today.
They are all afraid from Russia and asking Nato and America to protect them.
Russia and Putin have very aggressive politics toward Ukraine, Georgia, Balkan region etc.
I the Montenegro they tried to violently oust the democratically elected government in order to prevent Montenegro to join NATO.
So, obviously, Putin is not fun of democracy, freedom and western world, don't be naive.

Perhaps that is true. But I don't think that he is the enemy as well. The real enemy for the European civilization is the hordes of immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa. Russia and Putin is not a threat to the European culture.

Depends on how great he wants to make russia again.
The biggest difference of putins politics to any other is that he has time (see the gleichschaltung of the russian media which took around a decade).
He can reign for next 50 years if he can stop the economic meltdown of russia.

If Putin isn't enemy for Europe, why he is keeping huge army forces in Kaliningrad - it's most militarized region of Russia. Their military exercise Zapad 2017 can be one of the preparations how to cut off land road to Baltic states, so called Suwalki koridor.

LOL

What military priority give this action?

Kaliningrad is a Russian enclave surrounded by hostile forces on all sides. And in addition to that, the NATO has conducted multiple military exercises close to the Kaliningrad border. Russia is doing the right thing by defending the enclave.

Come on.
Nato exercises usually includes just some thousand of soldiers (in relation to russias 10s of thousand).
In an emergency case russia would just need to fart and the nato soldiers would run.

Nato wont fight a conventional war with russia. We know from the cold war that this is not possible.

Let's start with the fact that Russia did not initially correctly when captured Konigsberg and made it their enclave. In addition, the Russian General, provocateurs and aggressors. I don't know of another country which would act in our time by such methods. It is a pity that the world can't unite and boycott Russia until the collapse and abandonment of its Imperial ambitions.

I also think that he want to rule Russia like new Stalin or czar Peter the Great, as dictator.
His ambition is obviously to restore USSR and to become first global super power, like in the old days, during cold war.
It seems that ordinary Russians like such vision and even are willing to sacrifice their own lives, have a worse standard of living, if this means that their country will be great again.
Russian national pride and desire for former greatness are great and Putin is the best president in such conditions and circumstances.

You what? Germany paid the prize for attacking the USSR without any reason. And Konigsberg was not the only piece of land they lost after the war. If you remember correctly, France got the Alsace-Lorraine, and Poland got the eastern provinces (Danzig - Westpreußen, Ostpreußen, Pommern, Oberschlesien, and Niederschlesien).

Don't forget about Memelland.

Germany has indeed paid reparations to the Soviet Union for the attack on him. This suggests that sooner or later Russia will pay reparations Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine. I do not see much difference between Hitler and Putin.

Speaking about John McCuck I mean John McCain (Sorry, get those mixed up all the time) some news just came out about his pay for play foundation that is very similar to the foundation that the Clintons ran. I think McCain is secretly a democrat and is only still in the Republican party and being re-elected is due to him being a Vietnam war veteran who uses that to his advantage.

Now I'll give him respect for his service, but using that service in order to further your own personal wealth and career in politics is absolutely disgusting. Waiting for him to get indicted on some charges one day for corruption with the Saudis or some other country.

Yeah.. keep dreaming about the repatriations. Georgia tried to annex South Ossetia, and this lead to the latter breaking away from that nation. The same happened in Moldova, after the Romanians tried to revoke the autonomy of Transnistria. The case of Donbass is also similar.

maybe not anti-putin, but anti comunism

I concur. Putin is a creature of his nature. I would think less of him, to be honest, if all those years in intelligence didn't turn him into what he is today. You have an agent of one of the most brutally effective intelligence agencies in the entire world. Of course he is going to be a bit of a dick. Being a dick kept him and his country alive during a nuclear standoff. You don't fix what isnt broken.

With that being said, I don't agree with his ideology. He brings a dated perspective to prominence, and his message is a bit diluted by the rampant corruption present in his government. I'd say he is effectively strippibg state assets for personal enrichment. But nothing that isn't happening in the good old US of A. Nowadays, this is the way politics are conducted. For personal enrichment.

The majority of our Congress became Russia-philes overnight.

These are strange days, friends.

That statement doesn't go hand in hand. Putin doesn't have any connections with the communist party. In fact, the members of the Russian communist party hates him more than any other politician. 

Russia is not a friend of the U.S., but neither is it an enemy, nor necessarily opposed
to peaceful coexistence and cooperation. Perhaps Russians saw hope with Trump's election,
but I dunno when the love affair will last. I think the main enemy globally here is, terrorism.
They can probably co-exist with equal terms with Russia to wage war on terror. Terrorism
should have been eradicated or, at least, contained in the Middle-East. in IHMO. Putin
and Trump should worked hand in hand to fight terrorism globally.

Guys! Putin never wanted to be a Czar or gain back that hemorrhoid USSR - he haves a lots and lots of inside Russia problems. All he is doing is just defending himself and Russian nation.
Dont believe in massmedia - come in Russia to see  everything by your eyes. In my humble opinion there must be no misunderstanding between Americans and Russian. If they`d cooperate world could be much much better and richer.
ps. I`m not russian, I`m from eastern Europe.
 ;)

Putin stands up for the rights of ethnic Russians, both in Russia and abroad. That puts him in direct conflict with the other heads of states from the Western nations, as they give priority to the foreign immigrants over the natives. 

How much immigrants come to Russia from 2001 untul now, under the rule of Putin&co?

What is terorrism, anyway? Just another method of warf,are an assymetric one, sure, but warfare none the less. You cant fight a "method", you must fight its users. And to do that, you have to identify them first. Or should I say, stop arming them?

United States have been leader of most powerful block (that is the West) for generations, ascending Great Britain. You see, the conflict with Russia is not about ideology, as Britain waged similar "cold war" ever since Napoleonic Wars. It is about spheres of influence in a world of finite resources. While, I applaud your progressive viewpoint about partnership with people with common strance on life and death... I remain sceptical. In a globalized world lead by a superpower, any and I mean ANY sovereign nation with independent policy - be it Russia, China or heck, even small Hungary, can be labeled as potential enemy, "profit breaker" and general candidate for orchestrated coup or military engagement.

Terrorists financed by west allied theocracies of Persian Gulf are mere small puppets in such game.

The immigrant situation is bad in Russia. But at the same time, at least 50% of these immigrants were whites or non-white Christians, from Ukraine, Moldova, Armenia.etc. In the Western nations, more than 90% of the immigrants are non-Christian. Also, most of the immigrants to Russia are temporary job seekers.

And what is the number of migrants from Turkmenistan in Russia? Probably in Moscow there is not any one Russian janitor. Let me remind you that the Turkmens are Muslims.

Why You asking? Put Your data.

Anti-Puti Paranoia is a twisted term  :D

There might be up to ten million seasonal (that is important) migrants to Russia. Primarily from Ukraine and yes, even from central Asia. Immigration is not the problem. Twisting your country laws to accomodate them, while making native population second class citizens is. It creates environment rife for social unrest and eventually racism. Instituted from above, mind you.

That is not the case in Russia, where migrants have to work and dont get any social benefits, unless they assimilate.

It is the case for western Europe and northern America, however.

After Putin attacked the Ukraine the number of immigrants from Ukraine began to decrease. Soon Russia will have the same problems with Muslims in Europe. As they say, for that fought for it and ran.

About what attack are You here dreaming?

Turkmenistan is a very rich country (thanks to huge deposits of natural gas) and they don't need to send their working age adults to Russia. Most of the immigrants to Russia are from poverty-ridden countries such as Ukraine, Uzbekistan, Armenia, Tajikistan, Moldova, and Kyrgyzstan.

And you want to say that Russian citizens live well? Reserves of Russian gas and oil much more than in Turkmenistan. It seems to me that the welfare of citizens depends not on fossil fuels, but from the corrupt government.

PER CAPITA. Turkmenistan is indeed very wealthy given its historical status as backwater. Russia has 30x more population. Like comparing poorer parts of United States to Norway for example.

I dont think there are many people, who can claim with straight face that their particular government is not corrupt at all. However it is worth mention, that United States spend more on its military than is entire state budget of Russian federation (yes, including welfare, schooling and infrastructure costs).

http://www.news.com.au/world/europe/1990s-manifesto-outlining-russias-plans-is-starting-to-come-true/news-story/343a27c71077b87668f1aa783d03032c

Time to buy "foundations of geopolitics"

This is because in America there are so many thieves in power. Putin himself is a thief and has surrounded himself with the same people as he did. Moreover it destroys any dissent. So Russian will be a very long time to live in squalor.

Let me rephrase the argument then.

Can you cite any, and I mean ANY era where people inhabiting Russia enjoyed better living standarts than today? You can link sources and numbers, so we can make this more interesting.

Because I can bet with you, that you wont find it.

Also as far as "America" goes, I believe you mean specifically United States, not rest of the wide continent - it is fine. Corrupt perhaps, but due to geopolitics and protestant mentality of the founders, you enjoy perhaps highest living standarts in the world while still retaining freedoms that are unheard of else where. Russia cannot compare, but not because it would be even more corrupt, but because its past and quite long history has been so much more turbulent.

Since Soviet times in Russia compared with the yield of 1912. I do not know now, but the Soviet Union never reached such a result. Additionally, if you compare the nutritional status of the population of the USSR, people consumed much more meat and milk. Besides Russia is a very big difference in income between inhabitants of cities and villages. Put the correct question.

The Russians doesn't care whether Putin steals or not. His predecessor (Boris Yeltsin) was the worst thief ever known to the human race. Putin managed to end the looting of national assets by Yeltsin and his oligarch friends such as Mikhail Khodorkovsky and Boris Berezovsky.

Look at the history of Russia before Putin took the position as the president the economic of Russia is in the verge of collapse and in short it is experiencing a economic crisis or turmoil. But when Putin became the president he work very hard so that Russia can climb up again from economic crisis and now they are doing well again and a giant in economy. Let us say the he is a killer, A KGB Thug but he is not corrupt and selfish and works   generously for the betterment of his country.

Putin is a thief. He's just removed from the trough the old guard of Yeltsin, and they put their people. If you need an example please - Nikolay Tokarev,Gennady Timchenko,Alexei Miller,Vladimir Yakunin,Sergei Chemezov,Igor Sechin (who is the second person in Russia after President Vladimir Putin in terms of influence),Arkady Rotenberg,Yuriy Kovalchuk,Sergey Roldugin need more thieves?

I agree. Putin is a very ambitious and purposeful leader. He wants to create the most powerful power, to restore the USSR. It seems to me that many residents of the former USSR support his aspiration.

Who cares. They are an idiots i dont like trump but putin is just as real as he is. Unlike those assholes trying to pretend that they care for their nation. I agree they should move to other party

I think everyone has, at some point, realized that Putin is NOT a very good individual as he carries out totalitarian policies in his countries (sort of the after effects of the communist days).

However, the left in America has turned Russia into a buzzword, rather than being a serious issue.

Everyone believes that, because Trump never really criticized the Kremlin during the campaign, that he is forever in debt to Putin and that his sole goal as President is to flirt with the Russians. Every SNL has got Trump making out with Putin (the joke's a little stale now), and watch MSNBC for 5 minutes and you will hear the same false narratives that Trump has been gifting cash to the Russians. I even saw Rachel Maddow claim Trump purposely sold one of his properties to a Russian oligarch for over double his money because, when he became President he could easily fork out cash. Of course this was all speculation.

She never once mentioned that Hillary and Bill's foundation, the Clinton foundation, have colluded with Saudi Arabia and Russia. However, these unsubstantiated claims come from a sore DNC bearing a large lose.

The truth is that Russia is an economic and security threat. We must take it seriously, but we cannot be so tough against it that we go to war. We both have super nuclear powers that can obliterate the entire planet, and we saw how that turned out during the cold war. In fact, what is the problem with getting along with your biggest enemy?

There is no evidence of Trump colluding with Russians. We must all be vigilant of each of his moves, as with ALL presidents either D or R, but we cannot choose a random country, that happens to be a huge super power in the world, and start bashing them, claiming they're the reasons for all our problems.

Out of this list, some (Alexei Miller, Igor Sechin.etc) are not oligarchs. Their net worth is even below what requires to be classified as UHNW individuals. Others such as Gennady Timchenko and Arkady Rotenberg became rich during the Yeltsin era, and increased their wealth during the last 10-15 years.