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I think that Ethereum is not worth what price we have right now, it's just for contracts and new members think that Ethereum is big thing...
It's hyped because people think that this cryptocurreny will be used for payments in stores and websites, but actually not.

What you can say?

Ethereum is not just a coin so it's also a platform and a place for other coins to operate in the ethereum infrastructure and not limited there.

I think the current price of ETH is good and the price of $20 is pretty good, lucky the people who have not sell the ETH on a lower price.

The ETH is listed in coinbase and I think is a good opportunity for ETH to have a higher price and higher support.

Thank you...

It is necessary to continue to develop this direction.
I think eventually the price will grow significantly.

What you said is correct Ethereum is providing the platform for so many other coins to develop their project under it. So this will surely give more boost to Ethereum. It is just like all other altcoins and gambling sites are operating on Bitcoin platform due to this Bitcoin gained so much movement. So if everything goes correct surely we can see another Bitcoin like performance in Ethereum.

Absolutely! ETH is way overpriced.

I wouldn't say it's worth even 1 dollar !
Seriously how the hell do you all consider it to be sooooooo valuable ?
NO.2 coin in all of crypto valuable..

I'll tell you ..pumpers.

Since it had the worlds best hype + pump campaign you all think it will repeat.
Did Max Coin repeat ? nooooope.

Problem i think is sad baggies.  :'(
Far too many of these kids bought in because of hype and FOMO etc ..now they are trapped.
Exactly like a Pyramid scheme victim trying to lure in more victims so they can get out..

why saying that ether is worth nothing when a stupid bit is worth more than an ounce gold

I tend to think something anywhere from $5 to $50 will be the maximun ETH is going to be worth long term, of course $50 being very, very positive about things.

I just don't see how ETH is a good pick long term. Something that is so unstable and prone to more DAO tier disasters, and an inflationary, POS currency? Not for me.

The fact that it's backed by endless big brands is what is hyping it in my book.

ETH is over extended and the most manipulated Altcoin in history.
People buying in now at $20 a coin will regret it.

Ask yourself what is it and what place does it have now and in the future ?
Then gauge the value of it against that AND the history + launch of it.

It SHOULD be well below a dollar i think.

And buying Dash coins at $50 each is probably worse

Yes I agree with you, the fact ethereum's price is around $18,
we can see the data on the markets and exchangers about the altcoins price
so do with ethereum, it is not about worth or not ethereum's price more than $5-$10,
it is about the fact like or dislike ethereum's price more than $10.

well to be fair, in the beginning i found the project in general pretty interesting and i found some good features in it but as time passed by and i first encountered the massive scale spam on every single social media to hype pump the coin i started to resent it and when later on i found out more about bugs and in the end the fact that it is full of bugs and bad features i stopped liking it. now i say it should be worth so much less.

but this doesn't mean it will though. the whales that are pumping this coin are not yet done with it. they want to make a fortune and then get out to live a millionaire's life.


i love this word because it describes the situation perfectly.
i still have messages on my reddit account advertising ETH through mass messaging!

What concerned me was Coindesk in 2014.. something was not right.
THEN ..someone was buying blocks of 100 BTC worth at a time *on launch* (exposed on the block chain)
I never needed more red flags then that.
Obvious setup.. and admitted DUMP from V. Butters.

And i REALLY wish the Chinese would quit calling them an "Exchanger"
Stop trying to re-invent the word.
The word is exchange ..i know we were using it for years before you got here noobs.

I have "predict" in my mind last year that Ethereum has a good potential and seems that I was right.

Ethereum price is linked directly with bitcoin price, so when bitcoin price pumps up then ethereum does too, when bitcoin price falls down so the ethereum does.

By saying this I can conclude that Ethereum price should not be $5 - $10.

Thank you...

Ethereum price is linked directly with bitcoin price ?
Uhmm no.  :D

And by the way i ran a POLL here asking you all.. [POLL] Do you believe in Ethereum ? (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1652509.0)

So far 70% said NO !


Just what in the hell does that tell you all ?
Get smarter NOOBS.  ::)

ETH is a gud coin and a great buy at this price.

ETC criminal coin is a bad coin and a terrible buy at any price.

few cents at the current state

Ethereum price now is more than 10$, eth is a good alt coin but lost its trust when it got forked but the potential of this coin to grow still really big, so many gambling site already implemented eth as curency, so the future of eth still unknown

right. But it s absolutely overpriced atm

Ethereum market cap is bigger than others as it stands on second position after bitcoin.
Ethereum has been spread widely and used in various sectors, almost like bitcoin. If people still trust their funds on ethereum, it will still grow up, bigger and survive. However, the most important are the idea and features of ethereum which attracts people to use it as an alternative coins.

Nope. Maybe for you personally however in the future we will look back and remember the days you cud pick up cheap ETH for only $20. Just like BTC.

We cant really say what are the real value since its all depend with person whos believing with the project the fact that the price still fluctuating and more and more gambling site are accepting it as also a currency we really cant say if this project is over valued or just enough for its current progress.

ETH is over priced but what are you going to do? Everything is over priced.

April 1st is fast approaching shit posting fraud.. or should i call you Butters ?
There has been 2 key frauds here spamming dumb garbage about ETH's grand future.
You are on of them.

When you proclaimed ETH would hit $100 each in 12 months i said the countdown starts.
You are running out of time fast Fraudcache.

And i call you that because the forum 99.99% voted you a fraud.
70% voted in another poll they did NOT believe in ETH too.

Price ? ..manipulation galore.

ETH is ponzi victim shit.

Do you mean ethereum's price more than $10 is opinions? How do you explain about the ethereum's price on exchangers (poloniex, kraken, bittrex and other exchangers) more than $10? If it is opinions in your mind, It is real because I can not buy ETH with bitcoin worth less than $10 and getting 1 ETH, It is mean fact because I don't get one ETH with bitcoin worth less than $10  ;D

the value of cryptos are not defineable.
you can split one ether in 8 numbers.
the block defines the worth but in crypto you are allowed to split even the block to an nearly worthless unit so its not defineable.
this topic is totally bullshit.

cryptos are a possibility to transfer money with the help of the blocks. the rarity of these blocks defines the worth of one full block (1 unit of a crypto) and the market (offer and demand) defines the rarity of each block.

when you talk about intrinistic worth all cryptos are nearly worthless. the virtual block itself is nearly worthless.
so stop pointing the finger at ether while you all benefit on bitcoin. everybody is splitting their units because they are way too overprized and nearly nobody can afford one block. but nobody cares because you can make profit from it. very strange that people are crying about a unit of ether for just a few dollars.

how can you say that something is overpriced based on what? the marketcap of etheruem is not small but it's because the supply is also big, etheruem is now what litcoin was in the past, but with more interesting features, i think it's hyped like the thread strated said, but because behind etehruem there is a competent dev that know his facts

I believe everyone is entitled to his or her opinion in which you have rightly done and you should equally not be condemned for but if it were to be by wish or opinion that the price of coins are determined, I am sure the price of bitcoin would have been $100000 to a bitcoin but unfortunately, it does not work that way. The prices works, our opinion does not matter its on the basis of demand and supply and nothing else probably other factors that are not quantifiable.

I can relate to this! I got into ETH recently because I read that Microsoft and Intel are
onboard to some degree, which would suggest they see some -value- in ETH

Eth isn't bad at all it's just you require lot's of patience and if you compare it with bitcoin the coin is useless as the price barely increases. I had invested in eth for 6 months there wasn't any increase so I gave up and then the price increased.

ETH is worth more than $10. It's not just a coin that moves from point A to B. It is part of an entire ecosystem for creating decentralized applications and is used as the fuel for running operations on the Ethereum network. As this ecosystem gets larger the demand will likely increase and outpace supply, resulting in a per token valuation greater than $10.

That is true for any cryptocurrency. The key point is predicting which coins will see a boost in adoption. In the alt space, ETH is already the most valuable currency. The question is will it go higher?

According to you it is not. According to the market it is worth higher and potentially much more in the future. It is easy to think and say things like what you said if you are not holding any ETH. Maybe you have biased reasons why you think ETH should be lower? You believe you missed the trade perhaps?

No you heard them paying their Azure hosting bill.. many other shitcoins pulled that stunt too.
Don't be low hanging crypto-fruit profiteers  ::)

Overprice,maybe.

But if there still someone used for transaction, it still on. Is up to us how to get the profit from it. :-\

I'm not a programmer and I'm quite new to Ethereum, so maybe that's why I disagree but I think that Ethereum has big security issues and yet it opens a wide range of opportunities and so some nice use of it can appear later. I think it is one of the most promising currencies and it has chances to become as popular as bitcoin is. Ethereum is too new, so we shouldn't make hasty conclusions but I think it is worth buying some right now and hope to end up with a couple of thousands of dollars in 5 years.

Hey buddy, you may consider ether is most hyped and valueless coin. Its your opinion. But many think it has got a hugh potential .I personally think ether is a good cryptocurrency to collect and I always do. Even when bitcoin was introduced everyone thought it was a joke.It was just few cents.Did anyone think its price will rise like this? Likewise ether's price will also increase with time. In my opinion present price of ether is also not good. Wait and watch. Only time will tell the price of ether.

We cannot know the value of a crypto as long as there are greater-fool games, and greater fools come in.  The true value of a crypto, in the long run, is the extra value creation in the economy it allows to create, that isn't possible without it.  In other words, the true value of crypto is the competitive edge crypto brings, over fiat, to value producing agents, that bring value to consumers.  This is what the market price will indicate.  At this moment, the market price simply indicates the expectation of finding greater fools in the relatively near future.  This is not an error of the market.  If the market indicates, for instance, that a bitcoin is $1200, it means that there's an equilibrium at that price between new, greater fools coming in, and buying up the amount of coins that are made available, by "older fools" that find this a reasonable benefit to cash out on them.  But that is not the economic value of bitcoin in the long run.  The economic value of bitcoin in the long run is the value creation in the economy that its existence allows, and that couldn't exist without it.

Like the true economic value of a truck resides in the value it creates by allowing transportation that wouldn't have been possible without it (the competitive edge that truck transport has over other means of transport).

As of now, the only clearly established case of competitive edge that crypto has over fiat, is in dark markets.  There is true value creation in dark markets that has become possible with crypto, and that became more and more difficult with fiat.  By far most other applications of crypto haven't brought much economic value creation that wasn't possible with more classical means of payment, or contracts.  The main drive of market cap of cryptos resides in speculative greater-fool games.

But that doesn't mean that, when we run out of greater fools (that is, when all those ultimately interested in crypto, came to crypto, and no other people are interested or will be interested in it), that there will not be other value creation cases.  Only, for the moment, there aren't any on the radar.  

It is only at that point that the market will be able to indicate the true value of crypto: when there's no more hope to sell to greater fools at higher value, when the last layer of "greater fools" has been reached, and there's no specific reason to hodl any coin, because it won't rise because of more demand by more fools, but will only be sustained by the demand for usage in its value-creating use cases.

This is my third time in the btc/alt world ... early in 2011, then ran away. Fall of 2013 and then ran away, now back since december and not running away this time. Each time I didnt set up a trading account with a proper exchange hence when I wanted to jump back in, I was left with local bitcoin or similar ripp off because it would take weeks before deposits got received and I wanted so badly in that I didn't have the patience to follow through and really set up my "crypto system" of buying, selling and or holding.

Now, stupidly enough I was slow in the fall 2017 again but in Canada, there's now better systems to get in than before.

Some friends saw me and they badly wanted to jump in in february hence they took the 4-5% fee on credit cards on Coinbase and they all jumped in, 10 of them. What they bought? ETH. And they've been following me and learned from me that cryptos could have a future if people say so. Hence for them pooring some hundreds or thousands of dollars there and wait for 2-3 years is not a big issue. If you look at the rate of buying on the exchange, lots of new volumes came exactly from there, the little guy or girl who has seen that BTC could run up over a LONG timeframe and that's probably what a lot of the holders now (is it enough to keep the price as there's always whales) but hey, they understand, without being traders themselves but enough educated, that paper is as much worthless than cryptos depending in which you believe...

And they are all attorneys, accountants, nurses, etc people dealing with papers everywhere and dream of a world with blockchains and all everywhere.... And they read the news, they see big institutions going into this third 3rd/4th wave and they sort of know that there is a shift sooner or later that will be there at their door. And they want in, part for the value but also part for a better functionning of their relative systems, work or personal.

I have no clue where and how and when and where it's going, how much up or down, which one or if ETH is better or worse than ETC because of inflation, but if there is more people and more people believing, that means more holders.

That's only my analytical got and i'm no trader, where I work there is big, paperbased contracts and stuff slowing down everything, and if the technology can get there and lift some people with it in both ways (technically and financially), what is risking some savings and see this as a long term investment. Which I think more people now believe.

How many people have so many opinions, whether or not it is not worth it even can not say whether bitcoin is correctly estimated, and you ask about etherium ... and about ltc in 2014 I generally keep quiet

More power to ya guys.. wanna buy ETH ICO tokens for $20 each ?
Say that out loud and tell me that sounds like a "smart" plan  :D

The price is what it is, you may think it is overvalued at the moment but if you do and you are a trader then short the coins and earn profits while the coins goes down if you are so sure of your prediction.

I can't speak for others but i was saying it SHOULDN'T be very high.
Whether it stays high or not is not the point..

It's obvious the ETH price has been manipulated to be high and stay there so who knows.
If whom ever is behind it all pulls out then yeah we might see it tank hard.
But i don't see that happening off hand.
You can tell Butters & friends are hell bent on staying in the no. 2 position.
So they WILL do what ever it takes to STAY there.

But who knows they may well be already planning a new coin scheme then dump like crazy.

what the hell are you doing in the cryptosphere?
bitcoin is worth like 1 ounce gold but you are complaining about ether with some 20 dollars and when it success
you say its manipulated. ridicoulous.
cryptos are unstable currencys so people speculate with it. when you have so many problems with that why dont you just go away?
go and make programs for centralized currencys. central banks are regulated and most people use the money for consuming instead of gaining profits.
thats a place where you can be happy.

cryptocurrency actually created not only for payments, but could include for some aspects, among others as currency and for investments

Yes, but ETH does not have what it takes to be on top. I think the maximum value ETH will ever reach will be $40 in all its life. I have sold my ETH when I felt, I have made enough profit with it.  :)

Actually ethereum smart contracts is really revolutionary and yes it is not just a regular cryptocoin that can only be used for payment, it is platform where different self executing system can be built including dice game like vdice have. However DAO disaster have made ETH to lost its charm and price.

I came to support a crypto currency ..you noob ?
ETH is ICO scam scheme coin.. cut the shit.

It was not only DAO, but how ETH reacted to it. If it was not the DAO, then any other samrt contract would have sooner or later been a massive disaster. The problem is, Vitalik showed his true face as a centralizing dictator. Told exchanges to stop all trades and then they went for the backpedaling technique. Sad to see. Since then, ETH will never be the same. Now it's a split coin with stagnating marketcaps.

That might be the reason many big companies are using the Etheruem at the moment.

Lets see 1 single person here with an account with credibility say that.
I am fed up with random puppet / noob accounts popping up lying their ass off about Ethereum.

If you can't find something wrong with Ethereum you are blind !

Seems to me in the old days of crypto it wouldn't take much to turn off the crowd.
Now ?
They simply play dumb jump in head first and lie their ass off crying FUD.. for bucks
REAL BUCKS !

Explain to me why Butters needed to dump 1 MILLION dollars worth of his 4 MILLIONS DOLLARS worth of ETH he was holding ......he admitted.
Wasn't the project mostly complete and running ?
Why did he need another 1 million on top of his earlier "payments" etc to work on the coin ?
How much does he PAY HIMSELF per hour ? $388,000.00 an hour ?

AND... where the fuck did he get his ADMITTED 4+ million dollars worth of coins from ?

Did any single one of you in all of crypto ask ? of course not.. because you put your blinders on like i just said.
Did Butters hear about me bringing this up 100 fucking times here ?
You bet your ass he did  :D
Has he come forward with an explanation after a year ?
Noooooope. hiding.. silent.. enjoying his millions.
All of you ?
Desperate for some crypto profit crumbs like sleazy little fucking rats.

When i see ETH as the no.2 coin and little idiot noobs lying about it it makes me sick and shows just how fucking retarded this shit has gotten.
I'd go buy some MLM coins before i bought this heap ICO scheme coin bullshit.

I say that the market is always right and time will tell  :)

ETH is fucking even worth $1 lmao

you can thank polo cartel and whales in eth after 1+yr accumulation and their bots for the pump and current floating price.  with noooo real world adaption and tons of fucking holes like swiss cheese.  all speculation.

so which crypto currency are you supporting?
and why? i mean they are all for "profits" why are you doing this then?

What you said is correct all crypto currency are for profit making and only their purpose is different, Ethereum is used as platform for lot of projects which are based on ethereum and which is good for ethereum. even their are so many sites which are running on bitcoin as payment system  then it does not mean that bitcoin is also scam.

I have to explain why i am here again ?
What ? was i suppose to leave when you NOOBS showed up being scammy lowering the bar ?
Sorry my bad.. i didn't get the memo.  :D

What am i doing here ? Stating the obvious to morons all year round.
Which is..

Profit is perfectly fine.
Profit off of something you know is not right is in fact wrong.
Don't blur the lines.
Quit playing dumb.
Get some class and integrity.

..and maybe a few posts under your belt before you show up here lecturing ME about Altcoins.

By the way Ethereum is not an "Altcoin" ..it's an ALTscheme !
It was a gimmick tacked onto block-chain code for profits.
One of endless little for-profit schemes cooked up here by dreamers.
They know damn well a clone coin like Doge will not suffice anymore.. the bar needs to be lowered further.
If they don't cook up schemes like ETH then the user base will AGAIN be caught looking like idiots.

People don't want to have to abandon their accounts they used to spam here about Doge with again.
The whales are backing coins now that provide a cloud of plausible deniability to the peons clutching BTC Investard money.
The scheme / gimmick is the cover story for their profiteering ways.
None the less it's still a blatant charade for profits.

Earth itself gove 0 fucks people.. that speaks volumes.

Don't be low hanging crypto-fruit drinking the ETH cult Kool-Aid Investards  :D

ETH is an amazing tech and worth a punt at these gud current prices. I don't go anywhere without my ETH.

And you have about 1 month left for your grandiose prediction of Ethereum being $100 each.
Better get those "Big Banks" on the phone you said who were "buying shitloads"
..tell 'em to pump the price.  ::)

Are you all stupid or do you actually believe the bullshit guys like this guy spouts off ?
You all get tired of being bullshitted non-stop ?

gud job Fraudcache  :D

so then tell us why is ether an scheme?
bitcoin is a scheme, too the owner of bitcoin is holding a big amount of btcs, too and generates profits with it.
i have the feeling that you are holding bits worthworthly on the goldwage while you always bash on altcoins.
there are legit altcoins out there for sure they are not all scams there are even some with no ico or dev holdings.
what you say doesnt have to be wrong but i think your thoughts are black and white. there are the good ones and there are the bad ones.
i dont might have the knowledge in cryptosphere but i know that bitcoin is not the thing that it used to be for sure.
what i find strange is that you love something the sky high that has the biggest profit scheme biz in the cryptosphere.
the bitcoin itself. instead of looking for an alt that fulfills the purpose of an crypto, but you hate them. playing with btc like roulette but the bad bad alts out there... i dont get it.

it is good only with POW remaining active, but they are planning to go pos, this will kill it, for me any coin without a good POW, can not work, nothing is backing it like in pos, and without POW all the other coin will be killed with the very big hash that ethereum is holding

I agree with that. The cost of PoW will set a floor for the price.

I do not consider any crypto currency being accepted everywhere other than the worth Bitcoin .

I think they are aware of this, thats why it didn't went POS yet.
Actualy, it maybe never will.

Certainly "Ethereum" technology is amazing.
But I think that "Ethereum" now is too expensive ... :(

you can split cryptocoins how you want. there is no expensive coin.
the tech you get for 0.00000001 eth is the same tech with 1 eth.

this topic is totaly nonsense. its your desicion how much you pay for a cryptocurrency.
you make the worth of the tech by yourself.

speculation is speculation. supply and demand decides if you have less or more. the price is insifignicant and has nothing to do with the tech.
it only describes the course of supply and demand.
i heard once of a coin where there was only like 7 of them available and they were expensive as hell.
but it doesnt say anything about the worth of the tech.

so invest how much you want and when you think its bad then dont buy its the same like in the supermarket.
the price is the price. when nobody would buy it the price wouldnt exist. it is as much worth as it is. 40 dollars for 1 full unit.

Dump ? Soon ?

The price might be lower in the short term. But it will be higher in a few years.