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Title: Protests in Belarus
Post by: andresem on March 14, 2017, 09:50:36 AM
Starting from February 20 in different cities of Belarus there is a protest against the tax from the unemployed
If a person does not work for 6 months he must pay a tax of 360BYR (~ $150)

Protest occurs in such cities as Minsk, Brest, Homel, Vitebsk, Bobruisk, Grodno etc.

Number of protesters retail
In some cities hundreds of people protest in others may be several thousand

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http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maxim_nm/51556845/3528975/3528975_original.jpg


What do you think of this?


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Sithara007 on March 14, 2017, 10:00:45 AM
Actually, the tax against social parasitism is a good idea. In the former USSR, social parasites were rounded up and they were either shot or sent to the gulags. At least these people should be thanking Lukashenko, as he is not shooting them at point blank.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Mometaskers on March 14, 2017, 08:12:51 PM
Wait, if you didn't work for 6 months, how are going to pay that tax? Does Belarus subsidize unemployed people? I just find that surprising, being that I've been unemployed for sometime and got nothing from our government. Wow, seems socialism really took off in Europe. There are plenty of countries where citizens don't even have a safety net. If what they are worrying about is that people would live off welfare, why not just cut off the subsidies after a certain number of months?


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: mindrust on March 14, 2017, 08:21:22 PM
Turkey also has a similar law. If you don't have a job, you have to pay a monthly fee based on your parents income. (they don't care how old you are btw) In return, you will have the right to benefit from the free (not so free actually) health services. (doctors, pharmacies etc)

It is sad to see that this shit is becoming popular.

Long story short, they don't want you to be a lazy person. They want you to work so the country's  non-employed people numbers will decrease. More tax income for the country.

If you don't wanna work, you have to pay for being lazy.

Damn what a shit time to live in. You can't even become jobless without paying.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Lieldoryn on March 14, 2017, 09:09:47 PM
Actually, the tax against social parasitism is a good idea. In the former USSR, social parasites were rounded up and they were either shot or sent to the gulags. At least these people should be thanking Lukashenko, as he is not shooting them at point blank.
This is a moronic idea. Same as Lukashenko himself. Around the world unemployed, the benefits are paid, and this idiot wants their taxes to take. How such a thing could come to mind?


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Barbarian on March 14, 2017, 09:50:57 PM
Turkey also has a similar law. If you don't have a job, you have to pay a monthly fee based on your parents income. (they don't care how old you are btw) In return, you will have the right to benefit from the free (not so free actually) health services. (doctors, pharmacies etc)

It is sad to see that this shit is becoming popular.

Long story short, they don't want you to be a lazy person. They want you to work so the country's  non-employed people numbers will decrease. More tax income for the country.

If you don't wanna work, you have to pay for being lazy.

Damn what a shit time to live in. You can't even become jobless without paying.
But that is just a way to try force someone to work and that is called slavery if someone is fine being poor and not having many things then it is his choice, once again this shows that every time the government tries to regulate something it fails.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: coolcoinz on March 14, 2017, 10:01:51 PM
Actually, the tax against social parasitism is a good idea. In the former USSR, social parasites were rounded up and they were either shot or sent to the gulags. At least these people should be thanking Lukashenko, as he is not shooting them at point blank.
They are not parasites as long as they aren't given anything by the government. Could you explain what an unemployed person is taking from the rest of the society?

In my view the tax is ridiculous and unexecutable due to many reasons:
1. An unemployed person has no income, but has to eat and live somewhere. Such people have expenses and are often in debt.
2. It's impossible to demand and execute payment of people with no money / in debt.
3. For this law to have grounds, the rate of unemployment would have to be 0 or close to it. It's completely unjust to demand from all people to find work when there's more people than positions to be filled.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Sithara007 on March 15, 2017, 04:11:34 AM
Actually, the tax against social parasitism is a good idea. In the former USSR, social parasites were rounded up and they were either shot or sent to the gulags. At least these people should be thanking Lukashenko, as he is not shooting them at point blank.
This is a moronic idea. Same as Lukashenko himself. Around the world unemployed, the benefits are paid, and this idiot wants their taxes to take. How such a thing could come to mind?

Actually, this is a good idea. There are a lot of jobs available in Belarus, especially in the agricultural sector. But the lazy urban dwellers don't want to work. This tax will make them think twice before rejecting any job offers.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: manyuta on March 17, 2017, 06:23:22 AM
Actually, the tax against social parasitism is a good idea. In the former USSR, social parasites were rounded up and they were either shot or sent to the gulags. At least these people should be thanking Lukashenko, as he is not shooting them at point blank.
They are not parasites as long as they aren't given anything by the government. Could you explain what an unemployed person is taking from the rest of the society?

In my view the tax is ridiculous and unexecutable due to many reasons:
1. An unemployed person has no income, but has to eat and live somewhere. Such people have expenses and are often in debt.
2. It's impossible to demand and execute payment of people with no money / in debt.
3. For this law to have grounds, the rate of unemployment would have to be 0 or close to it. It's completely unjust to demand from all people to find work when there's more people than positions to be filled.
On the one hand, this law is really good, but if we assume that the user bitcoin has a good income from the Internet and his income is not declared, then the state will necessarily perceive him as a parasite. So it turns out that this law will not be good for everyone. But if my neighbor's parasite is thus forced to work, he will stop stealing.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Sithara007 on March 17, 2017, 07:03:07 AM
On the one hand, this law is really good, but if we assume that the user bitcoin has a good income from the Internet and his income is not declared, then the state will necessarily perceive him as a parasite. So it turns out that this law will not be good for everyone. But if my neighbor's parasite is thus forced to work, he will stop stealing.

If someone who is earning Bitcoins is slapped with this parasite tax, then he has two options:

1. Declare the income from Bitcoin, and pay income tax on it.
2. Don't declare the income from Bitcoins. Instead convert the BTC to fiat, and pay the parasite tax.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Xester on March 17, 2017, 08:12:51 AM
Starting from February 20 in different cities of Belarus there is a protest against the tax from the unemployed
If a person does not work for 6 months he must pay a tax of 360BYR (~ $150)

Protest occurs in such cities as Minsk, Brest, Homel, Vitebsk, Bobruisk, Grodno etc.

Number of protesters retail
In some cities hundreds of people protest in others may be several thousand

http://photo.virtualbrest.by/uploads/2017/03/05/d10.jpg
http://euroradio.fm/sites/default/files/styles/gallery_main/public/article/miniatures/2017/02/nedarm_vit_2602.jpg?itok=lLuqPJg2&c=f42127b8578f077eaeb0473beb2ffa04
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maxim_nm/51556845/3527956/3527956_original.jpg
http://belsat.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/bs1902mitynh-14-660x440.jpg?1509
http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/maxim_nm/51556845/3528975/3528975_original.jpg


What do you think of this?

This kind of law is awesome but if there are plans and programs given by the government to create jobs. If the government does not provide job opportunities to people then it is unfair to place taxes on people who are jobless. But if the government has created jobs and the individuals doesnt want to work then it is okay to penalized them by placing taxes on them.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: novemberwoah on March 17, 2017, 10:40:55 AM
Imposition of a tax for the unemployed was incriminating them because if in the logic of someone who does not work / unemployment certainly had no income so that if they are required to pay taxes would be very incriminating. But it is a good way to reduce the number of unemployed because certainly citizens will be trying to find jobs, so unemployment can be reduced.

Which makes me more curious with this news is how with disabilities, the sick so could not work, and old people ? Will it be taxed or not ??? That made me curious because I read the news that does not explain it.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: andresem on March 17, 2017, 11:47:09 AM
Which makes me more curious with this news is how with disabilities, the sick so could not work, and old people ? Will it be taxed or not ??? That made me curious because I read the news that does not explain it.
Old people and disabilities people will not pay tax (at least, de-jure)


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: phieiph on March 18, 2017, 02:41:31 PM
Which makes me more curious with this news is how with disabilities, the sick so could not work, and old people ? Will it be taxed or not ??? That made me curious because I read the news that does not explain it.
Old people and disabilities people will not pay tax (at least, de-jure)

If one is impregnated in the law, then in fact, the other should not perform. But if honestly, in Belarus, although there is a kind of dictatorship in a way, but the country is keeping in order, and everything else is trying to establish relations with the civilized world.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Mr.Nath on March 18, 2017, 03:01:36 PM
A jobless citizen Paying $150? That's bad. Thought Nigeria was worst.....


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: giantdragon on March 18, 2017, 04:49:10 PM
Actually, the tax against social parasitism is a good idea. In the former USSR, social parasites were rounded up and they were either shot or sent to the gulags. At least these people should be thanking Lukashenko, as he is not shooting them at point blank.
At first, in the former USSR penalty for non-working (parasitism) was compulsory labor and not the death penalty.
At second, there were a job guarantee in the USSR. It is not in modern Belarus. Demanding people to pay parasite tax without guaranteeing them a job is an absurd hypocrisy!
President Lukashenko will end up in Maidan (revolution) like in neighboring Ukraine.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Sithara007 on March 18, 2017, 05:05:24 PM
Actually, the tax against social parasitism is a good idea. In the former USSR, social parasites were rounded up and they were either shot or sent to the gulags. At least these people should be thanking Lukashenko, as he is not shooting them at point blank.
At first, in the former USSR penalty for non-working (parasitism) was compulsory labor and not the death penalty.
At second, there were a job guarantee in the USSR. It is not in modern Belarus. Demanding people to pay parasite tax without guaranteeing them a job is an absurd hypocrisy!
President Lukashenko will end up in Maidan (revolution) like in neighboring Ukraine.

There are a lot of jobs (especially in the agricultural, mining and logging sectors) in rural Belarus. The only problem is that the people don't want to do such work, which requires a lot of stamina and energy. And Lukashenko enjoys widespread support in Belarus. Remember that he was the one who prevented an economic collapse in the country, after the USSR disintegrated.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Holly-Dolly on March 18, 2017, 05:55:03 PM
Actually, the tax against social parasitism is a good idea. In the former USSR, social parasites were rounded up and they were either shot or sent to the gulags. At least these people should be thanking Lukashenko, as he is not shooting them at point blank.
At first, in the former USSR penalty for non-working (parasitism) was compulsory labor and not the death penalty.
At second, there were a job guarantee in the USSR. It is not in modern Belarus. Demanding people to pay parasite tax without guaranteeing them a job is an absurd hypocrisy!
President Lukashenko will end up in Maidan (revolution) like in neighboring Ukraine.
Perhaps Lukashenko will play bad or he was thrown a very bad idea. People already show their discontent and it seems to me that there are interests of people who want to turn the country away from Europe. And this means that the opponents of this, are hoping for a riot and power pacification of the people. And this means a complete cessation of cooperation with Europe.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: sachinunchwal on March 18, 2017, 06:17:30 PM
Braving the wrath of their hardline president, protesters took to the streets of Belarus over the weekend in the latest show of anger at a so-called ‘social parasite tax’ on those deemed to be doing too little work.

After earlier rallies, President Alexander Lukashenko agreed to suspend its collection.

But demonstrators want it scrapped altogether. Many were middle-aged and elderly people who complained there was no work for them.

“It is easy for him to say ‘Go and look for a job!’ Yes, you can look for a job long and hard. But how are you supposed to live in the meantime? I don’t know…You have to pay for a flat, eat bread and use transport to look for a job,” said a middle-aged woman in the city of Babruysk.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: LTU_btc on March 18, 2017, 06:34:46 PM
In general, I think it's good decision that unemployed people have to pay this tax. Yes, $150 is quite big money in Belarus, but people have to find job if they want to avoid this tax. I only don't know about Belarus is it so hard to find job there that we see so many unemployed people. As I know, Belarus is good at farming and industries.
It's also strange that Lukashenko didn't ordered to arrest protestors.
P.S. A bit offtopic: Does anybody know why Belarus people are so often using coast of arms very similar to Lithuanian is visible in one of images provided in first post.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Discovery 17 on March 18, 2017, 07:18:10 PM
In general, I think it's good decision that unemployed people have to pay this tax. Yes, $150 is quite big money in Belarus, but people have to find job if they want to avoid this tax. I only don't know about Belarus is it so hard to find job there that we see so many unemployed people. As I know, Belarus is good at farming and industries.
It's also strange that Lukashenko didn't ordered to arrest protestors.
P.S. A bit offtopic: Does anybody know why Belarus people are so often using coast of arms very similar to Lithuanian is visible in one of images provided in first post.
Are you serious or joking? As the unemployed have to pay tax? I'm sorry that there are such people! They are not worried about the fate of other people. Very soon it may happen that the dissenters to start a revolution and then like you could get hurt. Think about it.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: LTU_btc on March 19, 2017, 12:57:14 AM
In general, I think it's good decision that unemployed people have to pay this tax. Yes, $150 is quite big money in Belarus, but people have to find job if they want to avoid this tax. I only don't know about Belarus is it so hard to find job there that we see so many unemployed people. As I know, Belarus is good at farming and industries.
It's also strange that Lukashenko didn't ordered to arrest protestors.
P.S. A bit offtopic: Does anybody know why Belarus people are so often using coast of arms very similar to Lithuanian is visible in one of images provided in first post.
Are you serious or joking? As the unemployed have to pay tax? I'm sorry that there are such people! They are not worried about the fate of other people. Very soon it may happen that the dissenters to start a revolution and then like you could get hurt. Think about it.
Let me explain. Maybe this desicion is strict but I understand why it was made. In some countries people prefer to get unemployment benefits instead of find a job. Such people is parasites of society. Government still need to collect budget and these unemployed people don't help to do it, so they introduced this tax.
But another case if there really hard to find job in Belarus and these people unemployed unvoluntary. Then, this tax is nonsense.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: giantdragon on March 19, 2017, 02:49:22 AM
There are a lot of jobs (especially in the agricultural, mining and logging sectors) in rural Belarus. The only problem is that the people don't want to do such work, which requires a lot of stamina and energy.
These available jobs are so lowly paid that it is just not worth to take them. You will spend more money on transport, clothes and extra food to recover energy than pittance salary.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: andresem on March 19, 2017, 12:25:39 PM
P.S. A bit offtopic: Does anybody know why Belarus people are so often using coast of arms very similar to Lithuanian is visible in one of images provided in first post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pahonia


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: LTU_btc on March 19, 2017, 01:49:54 PM
P.S. A bit offtopic: Does anybody know why Belarus people are so often using coast of arms very similar to Lithuanian is visible in one of images provided in first post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pahonia
Really?
http://belsat.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/bs1902mitynh-14-660x440.jpg?1509 (http://belsat.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/bs1902mitynh-14-660x440.jpg?1509)
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lietuvos_herbas#/media/Vaizdas%3ACoat_of_arms_of_Lithuania.svg (https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lietuvos_herbas#/media/Vaizdas%3ACoat_of_arms_of_Lithuania.svg)


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: andresem on March 19, 2017, 03:43:33 PM
P.S. A bit offtopic: Does anybody know why Belarus people are so often using coast of arms very similar to Lithuanian is visible in one of images provided in first post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pahonia
Really?
http://belsat.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/bs1902mitynh-14-660x440.jpg?1509 (http://belsat.eu/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/bs1902mitynh-14-660x440.jpg?1509)
https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lietuvos_herbas#/media/Vaizdas%3ACoat_of_arms_of_Lithuania.svg (https://lt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lietuvos_herbas#/media/Vaizdas%3ACoat_of_arms_of_Lithuania.svg)
The coat of arms Pahonia was the official coat of arms of Belarus from 1991 to 1995 year

After which the flag and the coat of arms of Belarus were changed, to a flag and a coat of arms very similar to the Belarus SSR
Since then, the white-red-white flag is often perceived as the flag of the Belarusian opposition

People who use these symbols do not recognize the referendum 1995 year

These people consider the coat of arms Pahonia and white-red-white flag to be the real symbols of Belarus


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: Sithara007 on March 19, 2017, 03:52:27 PM
There are a lot of jobs (especially in the agricultural, mining and logging sectors) in rural Belarus. The only problem is that the people don't want to do such work, which requires a lot of stamina and energy.
These available jobs are so lowly paid that it is just not worth to take them. You will spend more money on transport, clothes and extra food to recover energy than pittance salary.

The wages are not much lower than the average national wages. The only issue is that the employees need to reside in the rural areas, where the internet/electricity connection is intermittent.


Title: Re: Protests in Belarus
Post by: giantdragon on March 19, 2017, 04:00:50 PM
The wages are not much lower than the average national wages. The only issue is that the employees need to reside in the rural areas, where the internet/electricity connection is intermittent.
May be some of these jobs are normally paid. But if all "parasites" will move to rural areas and apply for them, only few will be able to get normal jobs.