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Title: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: solitude on April 22, 2013, 12:45:22 AM
Does the summer months have an effect on the difficulty?  If you spend most of your time in the same room as GPU's mining 24/7, it's gotta get pretty uncomfortable.


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: Stephen Gornick on April 22, 2013, 01:08:44 AM
Does the summer months have an effect on the difficulty?  If you spend most of your time in the same room as GPU's mining 24/7, it's gotta get pretty uncomfortable.

There was some of that.  But this summer, if the heat doesn't shut them off the rise in difficulty vs. rise in price definitely will.
 


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: xan_The_Dragon on April 22, 2013, 07:47:56 PM
Does the summer months have an effect on the difficulty?  If you spend most of your time in the same room as GPU's mining 24/7, it's gotta get pretty uncomfortable.

There was some of that.  But this summer, if the heat doesn't shut them off the rise in difficulty vs. rise in price definitely will.
 
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Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: ISAWHIM on April 23, 2013, 03:05:53 AM
I use water cooling, strapped to the copper-pipe going into my hot-water tank and sprinkers and tapped into my pool-pump/hot-tub...

Free hot water, lower AC bills, lower electric bills (higher heat = higher resistance = more power consumed)...

Not to mention the hot air is all pumped into the attic, where the 150F GPU air is cooler than the 212F+ attic-air.

That is called ghetto geo-thermal cooling... lol... the cool water coming from underground is a constant 65F here. And I drink coffee all day long, and flush, and shower, and filter the pool, so cooling isn't lacking.


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: aqrulesms on April 23, 2013, 03:48:19 AM
I use water cooling, strapped to the copper-pipe going into my hot-water tank and sprinkers and tapped into my pool-pump/hot-tub...

Free hot water, lower AC bills, lower electric bills (higher heat = higher resistance = more power consumed)...

Not to mention the hot air is all pumped into the attic, where the 150F GPU air is cooler than the 212F+ attic-air.

That is called ghetto geo-thermal cooling... lol... the cool water coming from underground is a constant 65F here. And I drink coffee all day long, and flush, and shower, and filter the pool, so cooling isn't lacking.

Nice elaborate setup! How what is the depth of the water table and how deep does it extend?


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: -ck on April 23, 2013, 04:13:29 AM
I wrote the --auto-fan and --auto-gpu features so I wouldn't have to stop mining in summer... Of course if you can't get the heat out of your house or it's in your own room or whatever, that's a different problem.


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: Bitsaurus on April 23, 2013, 04:15:05 AM
I'm moving my rigs down south since it we nice and cold down there.


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: Vycid on April 23, 2013, 08:12:18 AM

(higher heat = higher resistance = more power consumed)...

Hmmmm. That doesn't sound right. Most of the heat produced is power loss on the die, which has a silicon substrate. Silicon is a semiconductor, so the resistance actually goes DOWN as temperature goes up.

Must be some other reason power draw increases at high temp.


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: kcobra on April 23, 2013, 02:23:40 PM
I move my mining rigs into the garage during the summer. I don't push my cards hard (1000mhz core for 7950/7970 mining BTC) so temps are no problem. Also using riser cables and getting the GPU's away from each other drops the temp a good 10 degrees Celsius on each card. I just spread my mining rigs out over a couple folding tables.


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: HellDiverUK on April 23, 2013, 06:50:12 PM
I open the window.  Pretty simple solution.  Then again, it's not exactly very hot here. :)


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: DutchBrat on April 23, 2013, 06:52:30 PM
Summer in the Northern or Southern hemisphere ?


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: farlack on April 23, 2013, 06:53:56 PM
Why not stick your rig in the huge open space in your ac unit where the air sucks in? Behind the filter of course so you don't even get dust? Free fan, and hot air is sent outside.


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: vapourminer on April 23, 2013, 10:11:49 PM
Why not stick your rig in the huge open space in your ac unit where the air sucks in? Behind the filter of course so you don't even get dust? Free fan, and hot air is sent outside.

Im not sure you understand how AC systems work. you mean the condenser (outside part)?

I use geothrmal heat and cooling with a desuperheater. that means the heat from cooling the house goes into preheating the hot water. then my actual hot water heater is an air source heat pump which takes the hot air from my basement and puts that heat into my hot water tank.

free hot water from mining and cooling my house.

win!



Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: BBQKorv on April 24, 2013, 06:32:48 PM
I'm doing mostly scrypt so there is plenty of heat from my rigs. This type of device is sucking the heat out of my mining room, 10" seems to do very well  ;D
Running at 50% speed when outside temp is around 15C. I can double or even triple the blowers if thats necessary.

http://hydroharrys.com/catalog/images/vortex-10inch-fan.jpg


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: Wepp on April 24, 2013, 06:50:02 PM
Related video -- weather.com summer temperature forecast (for USA only):

http://www.weather.com/video/the-summer-forecast-is-in-36320



Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: GuiltySpark343 on April 25, 2013, 01:32:08 AM
I use water cooling, strapped to the copper-pipe going into my hot-water tank and sprinkers and tapped into my pool-pump/hot-tub...

Would love to see this! Can you post some pics of your setup?


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: Signus on April 26, 2013, 01:54:52 AM
I don't intend to stop mining, but it may kill me because summers get fairly hot (~35-42C avg). I may spend the extra electricity and use an extra breaker to run a separate AC unit.


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: seljo on April 26, 2013, 10:09:53 AM
None.  ;D


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: Gator-hex on April 26, 2013, 11:09:16 AM
I open the window.  Pretty simple solution.  Then again, it's not exactly very hot here. :)

Same, we just open a window on the north side and one on the south side and it's like living in a wind tunnel, air is sucked out because of the temperature/pressure difference on both sides of the property.  ;)


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: cdog on April 26, 2013, 03:20:30 PM
I wont stop, but I will probably be naked a lot with a fan aimed at my balls.

Too much info, I know. Sorry  :-X


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: Signus on April 27, 2013, 02:57:30 AM
I wont stop, but I will probably be naked a lot with a fan aimed at my balls.

Too much info, I know. Sorry  :-X

He's got a plan.


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: DPoS on April 29, 2013, 04:48:58 AM
I use water cooling, strapped to the copper-pipe going into my hot-water tank and sprinkers and tapped into my pool-pump/hot-tub...

Free hot water, lower AC bills, lower electric bills (higher heat = higher resistance = more power consumed)...

Not to mention the hot air is all pumped into the attic, where the 150F GPU air is cooler than the 212F+ attic-air.

That is called ghetto geo-thermal cooling... lol... the cool water coming from underground is a constant 65F here. And I drink coffee all day long, and flush, and shower, and filter the pool, so cooling isn't lacking.

as they say on the interwebs.. pics or it didn't happen  :-X



Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: gica_contra on April 29, 2013, 05:05:08 AM
I will probably just downclock the cards so temps stay below an arbitrary limit. I have settled on 70C for that  ::)


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: Bitsaurus on April 29, 2013, 10:41:46 AM
I wont stop, but I will probably be naked a lot with a fan aimed at my balls.

Too much info, I know. Sorry  :-X

Lovely


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: ewitte on April 29, 2013, 11:14:42 AM
I will probably just downclock the cards so temps stay below an arbitrary limit. I have settled on 70C for that  ::)

Same except I have a cap at 80-85C.  The building where I have them shuts off AC on the weekends not sure now much I"m going to have to downclock when its 100 outside lol.


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: zvs on April 29, 2013, 11:55:30 AM
well, i didnt expect to still be running the GPUs past mid-march or so.

the temps won't be 95+ F (maybe one or two days) on a regular basis for another 45 days or so... and i dont expect to be running GPUs anymore by then.

but, uh, if it is still worth my time, then, yeah, i'll mine in the summer.  did last summer, too.  just set all the 5830 and *5870's to 0.95v and the 5970's to 0.99


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: matt_trade on April 30, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
I use water cooling, strapped to the copper-pipe going into my hot-water tank and sprinkers and tapped into my pool-pump/hot-tub...

Free hot water, lower AC bills, lower electric bills (higher heat = higher resistance = more power consumed)...

Not to mention the hot air is all pumped into the attic, where the 150F GPU air is cooler than the 212F+ attic-air.

That is called ghetto geo-thermal cooling... lol... the cool water coming from underground is a constant 65F here. And I drink coffee all day long, and flush, and shower, and filter the pool, so cooling isn't lacking.

Hi Isawhim,

I think your concept is great. I actually believe that the future of mining (especially on GPUs) is dependant on our ability to recycle some of the heat lost.
I'm working on a new 24 GPU rack project (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191117.0) and I will experiment with oil cooling in a few weeks. You can find details about the oil cooling option here: https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2682.msg18234.html#msg18234
My idea to optimize the heat recycling is to use an Oil/Water plate heat exchanger, which is very efficient and compact.
http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mFEYW8-VmXxy-REDwW9JH7Q.jpg

With the thermal capacity of the oil, one shower might be enough water flow to cool down a setup for 1 hour or two. If you had the pool (which will "never" go over 40C) you can truly reduce your electricity bill by a considerable amount by never having to warm it up again.
I started a list of potential applications that would allow for the recycling of the heat:


If you think about it, if we could recycle 80% of what's now lost, there would not be that much interest in the ASIC anymore.

Maybe I should sell the 24 GPU rack as a space/water heater ;-)


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: powdabam on May 03, 2013, 06:34:11 PM
I use water cooling, strapped to the copper-pipe going into my hot-water tank and sprinkers and tapped into my pool-pump/hot-tub...

Free hot water, lower AC bills, lower electric bills (higher heat = higher resistance = more power consumed)...

Not to mention the hot air is all pumped into the attic, where the 150F GPU air is cooler than the 212F+ attic-air.

That is called ghetto geo-thermal cooling... lol... the cool water coming from underground is a constant 65F here. And I drink coffee all day long, and flush, and shower, and filter the pool, so cooling isn't lacking.

Hi Isawhim,

I think your concept is great. I actually believe that the future of mining (especially on GPUs) is dependant on our ability to recycle some of the heat lost.
I'm working on a new 24 GPU rack project (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=191117.0) and I will experiment with oil cooling in a few weeks. You can find details about the oil cooling option here: https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,2682.msg18234.html#msg18234
My idea to optimize the heat recycling is to use an Oil/Water plate heat exchanger, which is very efficient and compact.
http://thumbs3.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mFEYW8-VmXxy-REDwW9JH7Q.jpg

With the thermal capacity of the oil, one shower might be enough water flow to cool down a setup for 1 hour or two. If you had the pool (which will "never" go over 40C) you can truly reduce your electricity bill by a considerable amount by never having to warm it up again.
I started a list of potential applications that would allow for the recycling of the heat:


If you think about it, if we could recycle 80% of what's now lost, there would not be that much interest in the ASIC anymore.

Maybe I should sell the 24 GPU rack as a space/water heater ;-)


Your rig works in theory but in practice I don't see how you could possibly keep that cool.  I have each card 5 inches apart and if I get them closer then rise 5-10 degrees each.  That's with only 2 next to each other, if I put 3-5 near each other it goes up 20 degrees.  I think you should redesign it with an AC unit attached cause 24 cards is gonna cook toast.


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: Amph on May 03, 2013, 06:51:39 PM
61° at 25 tamb, so no problem for me


Title: Re: How many people stop mining in the summer?
Post by: Xanthon on May 06, 2013, 01:14:59 PM
As someone living in South East Asia that has >80% humidity all year round and an average  25°c - 31°c temperature everyday, I find this thread amusing.