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Title: A consensus algorithm that employs neural nets instead of raw computation?
Post by: encryptedcharms on March 15, 2017, 09:01:05 PM
Proof-of-work creates a competitive environment where the ability to solve cryptographic problems using raw computational power wins.  
  
Could there theoretically exist a proof where the strongest AI neural network would win?  
  
This seems important.  


Title: Re: A consensus algorithm that employs neural nets instead of raw computation?
Post by: AgentofCoin on March 15, 2017, 09:57:40 PM
Proof-of-work creates a competitive environment where the ability to solve cryptographic problems using raw computational power wins.  
  
Could there theoretically exist a proof where the strongest AI neural network would win?  
  
This seems important.  

How would you prove that something was a real AI without centralization?
Proof of AI would likely rely on servers and be government or corporate controlled.

What would be the purpose of this in general?
To advance AI or to create a new warfare system?


Title: Re: A consensus algorithm that employs neural nets instead of raw computation?
Post by: encryptedcharms on March 15, 2017, 10:09:48 PM


How would you prove that something was a real AI without centralization?
Proof of AI would likely rely on servers and be government or corporate controlled.

What would be the purpose of this in general?
To advance AI or to create a new warfare system?
 
 
So I guess then that it wouldn't need to be necessarily be AI.  It would need to be a cryptographic task requiring neural network level processing, or abstract computation.  Humans would be welcome to compete too, and might even stand a chance until supra-human neural nets became common.  Consider that we already have superhuman neural nets in many specific tasks like Go.


Title: Re: A consensus algorithm that employs neural nets instead of raw computation?
Post by: AgentofCoin on March 15, 2017, 10:27:20 PM


How would you prove that something was a real AI without centralization?
Proof of AI would likely rely on servers and be government or corporate controlled.

What would be the purpose of this in general?
To advance AI or to create a new warfare system?
 
  
So I guess then that it wouldn't need to be necessarily be AI.  It would need to be a cryptographic task requiring neural network level processing, or abstract computation.  Humans would be welcome to compete too, and might even stand a chance until supra-human neural nets became common.  Consider that we already have superhuman neural nets in many specific tasks like Go.

So, it's basically still Proof of Work, but strictly performed by artificial and/or human
neural networks as opposed to ASICs and other mining devices? If yes, then it could be
done, and the AI network would improve over time, but it would only be specializing in
whatever the Work task is. This would also be centralized, I think, since you still need
to prove neural network is true, when participating.

Is there something specifically you want this neural network to be doing?
A type of specific Work? Brain mapping or something?


Title: Re: A consensus algorithm that employs neural nets instead of raw computation?
Post by: franky1 on March 15, 2017, 10:37:07 PM
if it requires a binary answer (even if that binary answer is converted to ascii or other readable thing) the end result is within 6 months there will exist pools of either node sybil syndicates or mining farms doing it more efficiently than solo.

 


Title: Re: A consensus algorithm that employs neural nets instead of raw computation?
Post by: AgentofCoin on March 15, 2017, 10:40:44 PM
if it requires a binary answer (even if that binary answer is converted to ascii or other readable thing) the end result is within 6 months there will exist pools of either node sybil syndicates or mining farms doing it more efficiently than solo.

Yes, that is why I think the idea would need to be done between either provable
parties (not possible) or between corporations and governments in a closed mining system.

I don't think it could ever work in an open public way, without exploitation.