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I have found that you do not need to use the ancient multicoin-based version of Tenebrix, this more recent version works:

https://github.com/Lolcust/Tenebrix-QT

-MarkM-

It's dead.

What is it? Is that "TRC" ?

It's Tenebrix, really really old project with huge premine I think

Dead? Not at all, it is simply another of the nice quiet under-the-radar coins that people can mine with CPUs without all the bullies with GPUs and such driving the difficulty out of reach of CPU miners.

It is great when the big miners think a coin is dead, as it puts it back into the reach of small miners so the whole early adopter phase can continue, in some cases maybe even for years.

-MarkM-

It's dead, period. Unless you can name one service or exchange that accepts TBX.

Once an exchange accepts a coin, it gets jumped on and dumped by big miners, and becomes too high difficulty for small miners and CPU miners. So basically an exchange is the end of the early-adopter phase and time for the small miners to go look for some other coin that the large miners still think of as "dead".

Admittedly though maybe using an Open Transactions based exchange could help with this, as GRouPcoin despite being traded on Open Transactions for well over a year now maybe going on two years has nonetheless managed to stay largely "under the radar". Put up a web based exchange for it though and most players (olr the games whose players are most of the user-base currently) will no longer be able to mine them effectively.

-MarkM-

And my second argument about services?

Well in the case of coins used by players of games, you can regard them as one service "you can use them in the game" or as a vast array of services "you can buy anything any player is willing to sell you".

Also of course depending on the scale of play in which you take part you could use the various coins for various hosting-related costs such as paying for hosting of OpenSimulator "regions" representing parts of your in-game holdings, or paying your nation's hosting fees that are based on the amount of territory your nation controls, or paying for special servers your clan or nation uses such as Cyclos servers for your own custom national or clan currency or private Tor or i2p based forums chatrooms or whatever for your clan, all that kind of stuff.

It seems to be fashionable here to ignore all the currencies that started as blockchains but lacked enough miner-interest to afford to stay as blockchains until some day when their transaction volume will permit transaction fees sufficient to attract miners, or until some day when the infrastructure of the games includes lots of ASIC farms, but the figures are quite surprising, see the tables and plots at

http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/digitalisassets.html

-MarkM-

I am still getting connections and I am downloading the blockchain now..   :D
I am working with the headless version of the program on Ubuntu.

Will compile the QT later.

Maybe such dead coins can be ressurected to the mainstream if we - as community - will think out the right purpose for them first. Maybe they will die again by pump + dump attack as new altcoins, but it can learn us new usage of coin.

Most new alt coins are made just for quick pump + dump so all service they have seen so far (and maybe forever) is usually exchange, forum and gambling site - so nothing gaining them any real value. By "value" i mean purpose.

The GUI? I admit I haven't even considered trying to compile the GUI, I always use daemons.

Or is it the daemon that is crashing? I haven't had it crash yet in quite a while now of using it.

What operating system and distro etc?

What debug.log and /var/log/messages (or your system's equivalent) clues?

-MarkM-

Oh yeah that happened with DeVCoin too though we thought it was to do with the curl stuff DeVCoin used to go out and get its lists of who to give coins to. Dunno what Tenebrix would have needed that would not be thread-safe and that other coins don't use though.

For DeVCoin we just use the daemon for mining, people who need GUIs probably aren't the geeky techie types likely to get into setting up p2pool to merged mine for them or stuff like that so for DeVCoin the GUI not being able to mine isn't much (if any) of an issue.

-MarkM-

Oh well, once Litecoin updates to latest bitcoin code Tenebrix can use that to jump right to latest code.

-MarkM-

Tenebrix was one of the early cpu coins, had been dormant for a long time together with fairbrix.

Were either of them ever really totally unmined though? Any time i checked there were always nodes online and the block count had moved. maybe I just did not happen to catch any of the moments when none were online at all?

People thought the same about BBQcoin, so that last year CPU miners had lovely long long time of mining BBQcoin too not just Tenebrix and Fairbrix. Likely the reason BBQcoin came back into the limelight before them was it was using newer code, whereas miners were content not to be in any rush to update the code of the others?

These coins the big miners keep claiming to be "dead" are perfect for small miners. Playing dead has so far seemed to be the most effective way of providing coins only small miners bother to mine.

-MarkM-

Oh cool, i didn't know they had finished that.

Great then, any clonecoin hack can easily update Tenebrix and Fairbrix too any time they want, I wonder how many they have racked up so far using a spare CPU core or few the last few months or years?

-MarkM-

good old tenebrix.  i like it because it doesn't have "coin" in its name.

Yeah, use the daemon.

As I said this happened with DeVCoin too, we just disabled the gen=1 commands so people cannot turn on mining in the devcoin-qt since we (Unthinkingbit and I) didn't manage to track down what exactly it was that was doing it, other than it looked like some things we needed for doing what devcoin needs to do were not thread-safe, at least, it seems, not in the GUI.

We needed to use curl, or something anyway that would go out and get our lists of recipients for minted coins, so if not being able to mine with the -qt client was fallout from that too bad, its more important to do that key function of devcoin and anyone who does want to mine can use the daemon, which in any case probably uses less resources on the server and allows the server to be headless so for miners it is in any case generally better / more-appropriate anyway.

Since i do not know what you hacked, nor even whether what you have now works fine in Linux, and I do not do windows, I'd just go with "you have to use the daemon to mine" or "install linux in a virtual machine"...

Not very helpful but first thing I do when i buy a box with windows on it is defenestrate it (throw out windows) and that has over the decades proven to be a massive massive massive reducter of stress over long term and short term.

Still, even if it breaks on Linux too, I'd wonder whether whatever it is that needs to use things that are not thread-safe is an importan enough feature of your design that it is worth throwing out GUI-mining to include it, or maybe if GUI-mining is so important to you you could reconsider whether whatever feature you are adding is worth the time it might take to track down some thread problem that only occurs in the GUI not in the actual daemon.

-MarkM-

EDIT: I maybe getting confused though, I just realised this thread is about Tenebrix, yet earlier discussion about hacking a coin resulting in mining crashing in the GUI had been about creating some new coin. Maybe there are two threads currently about this same problem, maybe someone ran into it making a GUI for Tenebrix in addition to someone also recently running into it trying to make some unspecified new coin by hacking some other coin...

Where is the mining program running? Is it connecting to 127.0.0.0 aka localhost? If not maybe firewall isn't letting it connect, or its IP address is not on the rcpallowip list, yet for some reason its claiming internal sever error (500) instead of unable to connect?

Or does 500 mean it must have connected and the RPC server itself is telling it that it got an internal server error (500) ?

What error does it give when username or password for RPC is incorrect?

-MarkM-

Curl is threadsafe,  qt at least as it used to be built on windows was not.  

http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2012/03/full-disclosure-bitcoin-qt-on-windows.html

So good chance these older forks still have that issue.

Yeah now you mention it, maybe we used something other than curl first, that was not thread-safe, then noticed curl was listed as thread-safe so switched to curl despite that adding a new dependency, then still found the damn thing wouldn't mine. :)

Thanks for the link I will go look at that maybe we can get mining working. though if they fixed it then once the "mergecoin" repo (bitcoin with ONLY merged mining as secondary chain added) is ready all the merged coins can inherit the fix along with gosh knows how many other fixes the bitcoin devs have been doing while all the kiddies squabbled in the altcoin playpen all this time...

-MarkM-

NaN.

Oh the -mt we add to boost libs in some distros of linux might stand for multithreaded.

I think our mining in devcoin-qt crashed on linux too though not just on windows. Unless maybe unthinkingbit uses Windows I'm not sure we would even have noticed if it didn't work on windows until someone built a Windows binary, whereupon we'd likely have been like well you do windows, you figure it out. :)

-MarkM-

Yeah i don't have eight connections though, only seeing 7 right now, and that is from a machine that has incoming port open.

Maybe who-ever is blasting it with hashing, likely from one or more GPUs, will get enough coins to fell like investing in a stable node that people can put in -addnode or even that can be coded into the DNSseed and fallback IPs.

Maybe they are just trying to drive difficulty way high and abandon it though due to being against the idea of having some coins that are nice havens for CPU miners or something though.

-MarkM-

I don't use config files. I had to have one of course for the old multicoin-based version, and thus had to until today for Fairbrix, but Tenebrix is just like normal bitcoin or litecoin based coins, no need for any config file at all.

tenebrixstart.sh

(Addnodes of course one would also add if one happens to have any.)

tenebrixd.sh

-MarkM-

#Tenebrix on Freenode IRC.

-MarkM-

Is there any windows client for tenebrix now?

I don't know. Even if some folk did compile it for Windows maybe they haven'y made the binary available anywhere. Maybe no one has compiled for Windows at all, or compiled only the daemon. or maybe no Windows peoople are mining it at all.

-MarkM-

any idea what an average block rate might be for a dual core i7-2640M 2.8GHz ?

https://github.com/Lolcust/Tenebrix/downloads

mined for 24 hrs, didnt find a block. pretty difficult for something people consider a 'dead' coin.

Yeah someone with a bunch of GPUs hit both Tenebrix and Fairbrix recently. Not sure if they are still mining them or just drove the difficulty up and went away.

Maybe having acquired lots of coins they will next look into getting them onto an exchange so they can dump them...

-MarkM-

yeah theres  a few of us mining tenebrix for some plans that we have for it. stay tuned :D

ahh you just failed politically - if you have a GPU miner and  "Have plans for it" its just going to look like a Pre-mine , so now you kind of have to try to retract that .

 

ahh i dont mean in that sense i dont even have a gpu lol, ive been cpu mining with my laptop but i know theres a few of us working on the coin and theres been more people joining the #tenebrix irc channel outta interest and wanted instructions on how to mine it

i'd give that a moderate 6 out of 10 .

pretty good really.

revised 6.5

aha itll have to do, but stay tuned for more tenebrix news :D

You'll have to destory that little matter of 7769999.0 TBX premined on block 1 or this coin isn't going nowhere.

not neccesarily!

Is it me or has this website recently been updated? I thought it was offline.

http://tenebrix.org/

goodbye - Tenebrix , and good luck ahmed_bodi

you will probably get a few Fastcoin maybe a few Casinocoin ? miners in there maybe ?

i could accept a few blocks here and there but 7 million ? its basically Goldcoin .