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Monero team were not revealed faces, Cloak did it this year.

Monero don't has GUI wallet, Cloak has it..and more android wallet.

Monero is open source Cloak is not at the moment but will be plans are there.

Those are just few comparison in start, to start this conversation in the right way.

for investment from this point cloak..... got to be much more room for growth from where it is now.

tech wise I have no idea which is better. Enigma seems interesting but I have no idea how it works so can't compare to xmr.

Personally I think another POS anon coin like PIVX could be a good alternative too.

sorry but cloak is dead. your bag is going to be worthless.

monero is far betetr choice for me they have made the hard fork and they are running a client now which has not any problem with transaction limit or big fee like bitcoin, and the marketcap is quite big for an altcoin, monero look very strong and useful for the deepweb, the only competitors is dash now

Well I know one thing for sure! Time will tell, after all, I like diversifying so I'm in for Cloak, Dash and Monero!

if i want to compare something to be sure what is best then i will use both wallet and see different between then i can comment what is best tech as i have checked Cloak is more fast and more reliable and anonymous transaction i am sure 100% untraceble i think monero market is tooo large now as compare cloak is nothing and cloak need more marketing and tycon investors and stabilize nice volume and offcourse need some good exchanges like polo but polo i think making fun on cloak i am sure and maybe never will add on thier market exchange

Hi

monero team did reveal faces, at least two of them? https://medium.com/@linda.xie/a-beginners-guide-to-monero-7a5df2c50ed9#.8cd9rjn8m But anyway, what his this to do with the quality of the coin? I know I know, it's always nice to have a pony in the team...

Monero does have a GUI wallet, it's still beta though: https://getmonero.org/2016/12/22/monero-core-gui-beta-released.html A beta 2 release is coming out soon though...

best regards

its always the coin with low value wins all these competition. monero is nothing but owned only by shady legandary here in the forum thats owns millions of it.  chose cloak, you'd profit more from it than on monero that will just keep going down right you put money into it.

Noone owns millions of Monero. Nooen is so stupid to risk that much of their money for a speculative crypto.

Monero was never almost free, like so many other coins, so all coins need to be bought with BTC and now also with USD and euros.

Noone? yeh we all know about that. how much do you think i have before i dumped mine before its price stays at 0.50$ for almost half a year? 

I have my money on SDC this this time. its decentralized than monero and has better technology than that monero crap.

no no we are not talking about low value and high value but here we need to know more about tech and maybe to be honest if you compare tech with monero and cloak then cloak will be more greater

Of course I choose monero for trading altcoins, it is good for stay be anonymous also monero is good for making profit,
it has large volume of transaction daily on exchangers, it has large marketcap too for altcoins.
I don't like cloak because of it is new coin, it can be scam coin and there are not traders will trade this altcoins,
trading cloak will be dangerous than trading other altcoins.

SDC has better technology than monero so bro please tell us what better technology with shadowcash? if you want to invest then i can say that sell sdc and buy cloak

cloak

So what exactly are we suppose to do ? Prove the Clock supporters how dumb enough it is to even compare Clock with Monero ? Or take an effort to prove it technically which has been discussed several times.I believe Monero has a future and a bright one.Don't see clock coin going anywhere.

we are not talking about scam or not scam and cloak already make space in top cryptocurrency and has shown and prove that new team working very hard and team very professional and completed many promise with best tech in crypto world but some do not understand easily and even i was not trust in cloak but when cloak take over by new team then after completed promise by cloak team now i can trust and even famous news channel like adam and bill still talked high about cloak maybe cloak is next dash and monero

Would you care to link to a list of improvements? A year or more ago when I was in your thread warning of BS the little tards all had dollar signs in their eyes and ignored me right until Bob fleeced them. At the time cloak was nothing more than a btc fork with alot of talk of what was gonna happen and all I saw happen was the entire scam being revealed with the devs and bob making their exit scam with a few compadres. there a pretty funny thread on that.

So why should I think the Cloak community has changed at all?


This is the funniest post I've seen this week you moron! SDC's tech is stolen from cryptonote protocol (which is monero) and was done incorrectly because the SDC Devs are idiots. And to prove it NobleSir exposed their ENTIRE blockchain!!!

And thats not even mentioning all the other tech xmr has that sdc hasn't been able to copy yet.

Relax dude, that is just my opinions also it is just my strategy trading altcoins,
I don't choose altcoins that has low comunity, new altcoins and low capitalization
 because I trade not for short time but I trade for long time, so I don't take high risk with cloak
but if you can make active profit from cloak there is not problem with it.

ZEC is better than monero and cloak combined. Ver advanced technology , going to pump as hell and still undervaluated. It is going to triple in value this year. It already stared. Look it out!

Zec has a trusted setup and optional anonimity... it's a corporate coin, good luck...

yes and of course you all could make the founder richer as ever due to the 20% they own. Good luck to that when they decide to go nuts.

same thing with the exploit of monero to which they can create a coin out of nothing. imagine how you can make them rich. creating a monero coin out of nothing all because of their faulty codes - thats like an amazon river of money.

I can not make a good comparison because I do not know MONERO, it is surely a big coin and it is in the position that it deserves but what if I have clear is that the technology of CLOAK, has an amazing potential of ascent.
Transaction done in less than 3 minutes with 25 cloakers:
D2937aa10cf7a0cba690ada332bb74ed35a4113cc319ed6ea346bc8102c2c056

Do you have references for this claim?

I agree with you. I have a little experience about Monero, but for me, Cloak, mainly due devs team and people behind Cloak is my favourite altcoin.
I hope I'm not mistaken  ;)

i wouldn't expect they'd be discussing it here in this thread but you can ask them yourself to see if they are honestly going to tell you that issue. once you publish that here in this thread they will flock this with all the responces to bury the posts.  just dig and find it on their thread which a hacker can create xmr without minting.

It sounds like you are mistakenly talking about Zcash, rather than Monero. Although, it is my belief that you cannot do that on either chain. It depends on if you believe the trusted setup for Zcash was done properly or not.

If not, please provide proof or a link.

I can't find anything. If you have a link that would be great.

Many would like to read this and if you have references please post it here, else this won't be taken seriously..There is no perfect system without flaws, this is why we have constant updates. One more thing, who can tell you if this code on Github is real one in use, or decoy?

if to compare I think all the same except for different projects and procedures for Monero or Cloak it all together they work well and have a good development. many other coin competition who want to advance to become better and best, but remember all based on the bitcoin. why I am pleased with bitcoin for bitcoin has provided useful knowledge many small examples of all the department wants to make the coin even anyone wants to compete with bitcoin but it will never happen to compete with bitcoin...

discussion only compare monero VS cloack, not zcash
if monero vs cloak, iam choose monero, because good community, good volume transaction and good price
iam only altcoin trader, the first choose coin only see volume transaction

No problems we can talk everything related to technology and anonymity but it is good to at least give an opinion what do you think about previous Cloak rise, new wallets and maybe you can compare it with MONERO..ok ZCASH, DASH.
When we talk about Monero we cannot act that DASH don't exist. ;D

If someone has cross comparison between all those coins, that will help a lot.

Which team is better? Cloak team is quate working ad delivering, don't start fights and don't troll, Or Monero whose team is completely opposite, and they truly believing in their project an they are ready to defend on every place and in any time.

JosNekoKopa
I still have no ideas what coin you are talking about you provided zero links.

Now you talk about development about which Monero is really high. Open coingecko and see Monero is listed as 5h coin by development: https://www.coingecko.com/en?sort_by=developer_score  with 85  points


I see there is Cloakcoin : https://www.coingecko.com/en/coins/cloakcoin  with 19 points in development.


Owerall you could just lock this thread since coins have almost nothing in common.

I see point, but this can be changed over time, when team decide to open code.
Enigma is completely new product and i believe this has good potential and need some time for people to realize this. On the other side MONERO is well established project (i don't have anything bad to say about it!). But still bought are anonymous, decentralized cryptocurrencies.
Did you tried to use new CLOAK wallet?

SFYL


yes I am a jerk

Yes, Monero is quite stable from the beginning of autumn. And the price is $20 now. As for cloak, it was up once in 2014 and is rather successful now but we have to remember that it is actually worth only 50 cents! I understand that it seems not to be showing the potential of the coin but I think that is cloak really was that good it would have been worth a lot after more than two years of its existence.

PIVX

In a word "Monero"

I didn't read anyone's replies to this thread but for me its open source vs closed source, high market cap vs low market cap, actual use in markets vs not currently used, so that about it end of story.

Cloak has an awesome team and the best tech, better tech than DASH and PIVX masternodes. Cloak will be big after the masternode hype slows down.

Great argument, "it's the bestest with the bestest people"! And will be bigger and better too!

How can I not be swayed by this argument!

Masternodes can easily be DDoSed and put down, there are also problems with coins like Lisk with delegate nodes. Cloak uses any user that participates in POS for perfect anonymity. Cloakers fuel enigma, and there can be so many cloakers without pricey upfront masternode costs. Anyone can help secure cloak and help anonymous transactions process.

ZEC may be next top 5 coins, after the millions of zec are mined, ppl will get more money from zec pump and hype. They'll be the largest anon coin.

care to look into the 'trusted setup', which is antithetical to crypto-principles...

also anonimity is 'opt-in' and not enforced on the protocol-level...

best regards

Market wise I would choose cloak.  It has alot more room to grow.  I do not know the real reason behind people supporting the coins but honestly I am in for the profit. So which ever have the bigger return is the one I will choose.  Comparing with their price, Cloak somehow is left behind and it is actually a good indicator that the possibility of bigger profit is in hand once its price skyrocket.

I think the reason it is left behind is the source is closed, thus noone can see how fast the dev team is moving, thus noone wants to throw a ton of money at it.

Why is ANYONE dumb enough to get involved with a closed source cryptocurrency project?

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Ok explain me how can you be so sure that code posted on github is complete or the right one? I mean they can add completely different code there and you can enjoy lies..I mean code reviewing is very serious job and must be done by neutral person, and this is tricky also, who is this person?

I'm pretty sure the whales that can throw a few million at a crypto can afford to employ someone to review github code before they go into something should they want to.

Whether they care or not is another matter.

Cloakcoin was a scam but it's over. The new story is coming!

The team has done a tremendous job and full of development will still happen.

The technology is excellent and a real innovation, not a copy of another project. ;)

The comparison is useless! I like this project, this great team and the spirit of the project, have no doubt about the project's ability.

Good continuation to Cloakcoin! :D

Everyday it passes I like monero more, that does not mean it is better than other coins but everything I read about it, seems to indicate that monero is a good choice.

More than 2 years new team worked on Enigma and now it is announced that code will be revealed in the next 3 months. Cloak team is decided to take part of a cake of markets share..
Monero is still good opportunity and it is posible to jump like DASH, only GUI wallet killing it i belive.

for now ,, i think monero is better than cloak,,
but in the future who knows ?
may be cloak will be better than monero,,  ;)

Usually everybody is advised to avoid any Monero vs Whatever trollfests at all cost. But can' resist, so here's some rambling:

Closed source is of limits, period. No need to discuss this any further.

Spagni's Face is known and looking acceptable. Almost. Well, not totally bad. A diet, a shaving, more sports perhaps. That seems sufficient to me. You can't force all participants to lower their pants. Some cherish privacy.
(years forward you could do that shocking group picture)

The GUI is kept kinda as Monero's joker. It's a complete joke allready. Nobody needed one anyways, and the dozen people that realy needed a GUI have created a dozen unofficial GUIs allready. Even some obscure stuff done in AutoIT, god heavens! I once dabbled with AutoIT because of automising work tasks on desktop, and the original developper downloads have been infested with malware infections according to my scanner. Would only utilize for occupational nuclear power plants maintenance tasks, but keeping that stuff away from anything private crypto related.

Would be trustworthy if 10.000 people would have participated. Since one of these would have been honest, even if by mere accident.
A half dozen people smells funny.

The shallow idiotic mindless drivel they all post here is tiring.
The standard reply about any coin is.. "xyz coin is great and community moon wow holy cow riches !"
Then you ask "How"
And another guy shows up and says pretty much the same thing.
No one ever will explain how or why.
They will just keep shoveling shallow / hollow little retorts.

It's like saying i am the greatest person who ever lived in human history.
What would you all think ?
Why maybe ?
Oh but not here LOL
Nope at Bitcointalk you can shovel bullshit for bucks till your blue in the face.. because it woks apparently.

The beauty of this place is you can post about MLM scam coins then pander to people with little to no English skills then hand them simple little platitudes and they will be parted with their money.
Because they are greedy idiots.

The greed machine that is crypto is boring.
It's really a giant scene for idiots and a few whales to manipulate them.
I don't think too many intelligent people would play a rigged crooked scammy Altcoin scene profits game.

Worst part of all of this greedy bullshit is the users turned crypto into a massive digital pyramid scheme system.. where endless coins keep rolling out fer teh ROI'z.
Which is bad obviously because it's self destructive and unsustainable but even worse..
It's fucking boring as all hell !

That's already enough. Resume discussion when the situation changes.

Maybe you're right, maybe then they will be comparable. Till then i will lock this thread, to avoid hijacking, or spamming. When CLOAK code sees the light of day then Monero experts can review it and give their opinions.