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Have any of you got benefit by shorting?please share your thrilling experiences.

shorting is very risky , increases stress thats why I left margin trading

What is shorting ? How does it work ?

short pos. risky. if coin raising lending fee incremental extremly

Agreed, that's why I always admire traders who do such because they have such balls of steel since it's stressful and big market movements in a short span of time can cause them big money. You need to be always on the lookout if you are a margin trader because you need to constantly make money out of those tiny ripples that you see in the market.

You can only succeed in shorting trading only if you are a professional trader in margin and leverage trading. Margin trading come with it inherent risk to reward issues. You can have your entire capital wiped out as an amateur trader but the professional and skilful trader knew when to place a trade, where to get his fundamental analysis news from and using technical indicators for entries and exists plan.

It is risky  because it really can make you lost a lot if your prediction is wrong.   There are lots of people who lost tons of money because they tend to short their trades.  But if you can predict it right, shorting can really give you a nice profit.  This is the reason why lots of experienced traders try to short their trades to have profit in shorter period of time.

Can you please tell us what is shorting first of all as I have never heard about that word before and I think you should elaborate your topic by putting some more information about shorting as it may be new to many people and would not be aware about it.

Read more here (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/shortselling.asp)

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As said shorting is one way of getting profit , it is quite profitable if you got it right but will give you a huge lost if you are wrong.  There are lots of professional trader that gone broke because of this strategy.  Since we never know if the price will crash or not until it happen.

No i have never shorted bitcoin and that is because i have learnt from the bad experiences of others.  even the whales get caught out on this one.  in January there was a short liquidated for $10 million, which would be absolutely gutting no matter how rich you are.

this now shorting in trading or use margin trading is not good time
because bitcoin price after crash and down price , maybe netx time can back up trend again

i want to ask where is exchanger accepted margin trading support lending too in pair USD/bitcoin another bitfinex

It can be very profitable but also very risky. Especially if you are shorting bitcoin, the market is very unpredictable and it could jump up and down without warning. You can get margin called in a matter of minutes so you always have to be on guard of your positions.

What happened after the volitality in January should be a lesson for its holder that we should really hold our bitcoin as its decreasing its value and wait untill it rise again since this is how the currency is how supposed to occur. Thus, as bitcoin decreases its value, we should hold or buy more bitcoin so that as it rises again, we can sell it and make profit.

Shorting = Risky, always, because Shorting always is invest or gambling and trust me, i tried both 2, and the result luckily not too bad for me, but i saw someone lost everything . So my advice, find something that you can sure on it then invest but only long-term, no short-term. Long is good  ;D ;D

Thanks for pointing out the obvious, Einstein.  For those who don't know what shorting is, I hear Google can give you some answers, and check the above link that was provided.  And be prepared to get ass raped, because your potential losses are UNLIMITED. 

Of course shorting can be profitable.  But with bitcoin?  With this amount of volatility?  I wouldn't.  I'm surprised these exchanges even allow it.

I think its profitable but it has high risk and too danger in terms of investing in short term tradings. The only traders doing this things are veterans and experts, however some of them are taking advantage of short terms trading and I don't know how they do that.

Profitable? I should say Yes and NO. It depends on your luck and as he said above, it is very risky. In addition that he is on margin trading, the pressure is high for you to gain and here the emotions will come in.

I am also doing short trading but on small amount only, like in Poloniex that the trading movement is very fast you could lose in an instant. But it is exciting also :)

Shorting takes skill that depends on the mechanics of the market transition from higher to lower prices, and when it comes to the bitcoin market as in overall it is very hard to predict when the transition are going to happen, and shorting requires perfect timing and devinesive trade mangament so unlees you have a good cap then I don’t recommend doing it.

As what others have said, shorting is too risky and only the experience of the trader do it. Even those who have deep knowledge of this sometimes lost as well. You can even lose 100% here. So unless if you are a very professional trader who has built up the needed experience through out the years of study to play this kind of game then short selling is for you otherwise, stick to short or long term investment to see you profits.

i am trying to understand margin trading, some one helpme to fully understand for instance if i set a short position on eth
at x price, if the price of eth rise over x am i loosing money? and if it goes down am in profit?

In my opinion, if shorting looks like a gambling with your prediction. With this condition and shorting is really risky.

It will be instantly dropped a lot. and with the shorting method just give you a small chance to get a profit.

No one is wanna paying on the hole.

I've lost a lot of my money caused by shorting and it gets wrong.

Investing <> guaranteed profits. Shorting <<>> guaranteed profits. Assuming profits (or loss) is a dangerous mindset to have.

I hold a short position from time to time, but use it as a hedge only. I never assume that short positions generate profits. As Bob Baerker points out, leveraged ETFs can really burn an investor.

Shorting is really a profitable way in earning money but it will be profitable if you know how it works and you have enough knowledge in using it. I do shorting in altcoins and it works for me because i don't short non popular coins but just popular coins like eth and xrp. But if you want really profitable then long term for bitcoin is the best.

Anything has the potential to be profitable.

Even gambling can be profitable. That's what most gamblers think of gambling - a quick and easy way to make a shit ton of money in a short period of time. Of course, that is possible. But not probable.

Same with shorting, it's a negative EV game actually. Because you are playing against other traders in the market, except as a shorter you have to pay a bit more than them to place orders, in the form of interest on your loan.

I wouldn't recommend shorting.

Shorting does really works and could really give you decent profits if you do know how to execute it and you know on what you are doing.You are right we should always seek for famous coins which is price is volatile or does move because thats the best time for doing short tradings.

The real key on trading is having a patience on transaction. Because we all know that in trading through bitcoin one should know the value or the market stock of bitcoin every transaction because through these we can know if the trade is going to be good or not. For me having a shorting trading is quite risky but all trade have risk o its better to take the risk and do your best for you to be successful that the best thing to do. And if you are thinking if it has profit the answer is yes but you will going to need to have patience and skills.

Well I would say it is an RNG  thing, something that you can’t really predict when is going to happen, the price of the bitcoin changes constantly, one minute it could change by a dollar or two or even by ten and at that moment you could make profit from trading it I know a lot of people do this and that sometimes get luck and lend a hit but they are not always successful with it, so advise if you don’t have a good experience or a good cap you should play it safe like everyone else and hold for a long term.

if anyone has an experience in shorting?
do not forget to share the same information I?

thanks.

Even if you are pro trader no one dares to short bitcoin simply because of the volatile nature ,the exchanges allow these sort of trades simply because they earn the commission for each trade and if you look at    HitBTC and Bitfinex they started future trading of bitcoin unlimited  :D ,these exchanges are simply taking advantage of the situation .

Margin trading itself is already gambling and margining on volatile markets like btc/usd is not even gambling, it is a suicide.

You can only make money if you are %100 percent sure that the prices are going to fall down and there is only one possibility for you to know that: You make the prices fall down.

Shorting's risk is based on the individual.  It's only risky if you short something risky at a time which is more risky, so it's solely based on your own experience.

Yes, you are correct. But if your really sure about the prediction  that you are thinking of, shorting will give also a big profit but if you make a wrong prediction you will loss a lot in your pocket. That's the reason why others use margin trade in some other method.

Indeed, Shorting was very profitable things, and only professional traders can do that. But this is definitely dangerous too, because one move  mistake can make you wreck instantly, and you will loss everything you had for sure. Like what you said your capital can be wiped out as an amateur trader.

Profitable? I think Yes but not that big profit like those in long term trading. In shorting, every time you  transact you pay the trading charges or fees. Also, in short trading, prices do not always rise to an unprecedented high. All I can say is short trading is excited and fun.

we can short trading is exciting and fun when we can get profit but if its not, then we don't want to called short trading like that. if i were you, i won't do any margin trading because its too risky and it needs big fund to start. beside that we need to have a skill to know where the movements of the coins so we can precisely to make order sell or order buy.

If the trading volume is high even the small price variation gives a bigger and better profit. So without doubt shorting is profitable, only thing need to be concerned is the right profit margin to make continued trading. Some expect big profit and make price margins which interrupts the continuity.

Shorting is very very risky if you know the coin has a potential to get higher value, i tried shorting on poloniex but i failed because the coin get rises but if you know if the coin is getting dump its good to shorting but my tip to you is just watch at your margin trade all day so if you think if the coin will pump again just close it or make a stop loss.
Goodluck!

Yes me, this afternoon TKN double dump, I buy 35 and sell 37 .. very fast profit.

Shorting is definitely profitable. With bitcoins, you can think of shorting as buying fiat currency with cryptocurrency. going long would be the equivalent of buying

why wouldn't shorting be profitable? If you short in the next big dump/crash, you would be able to make a lot of money. instead of buying low and selling high, you just short high and buy back low.

I do agreed that shorting is very profitable, it is only risky to apply if you apply to do it. Wrong move you will totally wreck but if you do good it will give you very big profit in terms of bitcoin earnings.

It is like win big if you are lucky and the market is negative and die trying if the market recovers quickly and with the kind of volatility bitcoin and other crypto currency has i would not dare to short any coins as it is really not worth to risk that much when you have other ways to make money,i could say it is pure gambling if you are shorting.

Doing some short trades? well maybe your thoughs are right on the other hand but I think it can make us secure our capital if sudden dump would be happen on certain coins out their and doing short trades are matters on coins what you have deal with since their are several coins right now are worth to execute with it, Try to look with shitcoins and provably you could see the positivity on doing that.

I have made a good amount of money shorting, although I've made more from long positions. I am currently short SNAP... that company is awful.

Who short in a bull market???  :o :o its insane

I've seen too many people "lose their shirts" shorting

not worth it IMO, not unless ur a PRO

It is very stressful job:
1. it needs big number of coin (if you want to rule it);
2. you have to know right time to get in,... as you know that coins always have up and down (even the best coin - it is not always up, there is also down);

Yes you can make money from the margin,
I do not recommend this sorting things.

Anyone doing shorting right now is potentially committing suicide. For the past 2-3 months, Bitcoin (and the other alts) have been on an upward journey. There have been a few dips here and there, but they were too mild and far between. I have a feeling that the time is not right for shorting. The rest is up to you.

Well shorting now is like jumping from top. From past couple of months, btc price is on way swing . Just last 2 weeks back price dropped but again it has recovered it and started to move towards 3k.  Price is still in uncertain territory and do not know where it will get stabilized for a time now.

Yeah I think the same, it is more about excitement and fun. I was shorttrading ETH at the 180$ peak and earned 1,5 ETH more, but lost them when the big dip came (yeah I know, I am an idiot). Now I wanna go long term, because everytime I made short term, I lost huge profits.

So you learned the hard lesson with shorting in a high volatile market,no one in the right sense would dare to short in a very high volatile market because the loss will be really huge compared to the profit you are planning to earn and with a bull market riding for a long time it is impossible to earn anything with this market unless you are an inside trader.

Shorting seems like extremely dangerous but at the same time i get why some people feel drawn by it, the possibility to make lots of cash, it seems like a gambling where people even sell their families to try to make a huge profit.

You borrow a bitcoin and sell it. Then you have to buy it back, no matter the cost, when it's time to return it. If it falls in price, you can buy it back cheap, and make money.

In the real world, what can happen is that you lose everything this way, price goes up a lot, and you are left holding the bag.

Idk why people here see shorting as such a gamble. You can cap your risk if you are using put options or binary options. I wouldn't short Bitcoin most likely for the same reason I wouldn't go long, but bitcoin could be an amazing short opportunity if it keeps rising. Idk where you can buy Bitcoin options today but I'm sure it would be extremely inexpensive to short, thus your potential loss is very low and your potential gain is ridiculously high.

Of course, shorting is a risky trade to go with. I tried it couple of times when bitcoin was falling from great height and I remember, I used high leverage at that time which fetched me around 32% profits within couple of hours. If you are confirm with your research which says that now bitcoin (or alt coin) will not go above a particular level at that time you can put a short sell order and it will work if your research is deep enough.

Shorting profitable but there have more risk than profit.who know price of share will drop and you buy share and back it to lender.you need some research before invest in Shorting because if share price raise you will lose investment.I always lose in that way think price will drop but share price raise and now left Shorting.

Absence of efficient derived instruments (lend and short, options, futures) is still the biggest drag on efficiency of crypto markets. But I guess the industry is still so young that it will take some time and also regulatory support..

It cannot be deny that shorting is really a profitable things in terms of doing trade in the market.
But of course only in a short term unlike in a long a Long term though it is more safest thing than short term.

When you catch the dumping wave in the right time, makine short positions would bring you tons of money. This seems easy but it's not. Remember.

god knows how much was made shorting in 2014 and 2015. the problem is that people who get too used to an idea stick with it even when it's clear the market is now acting differently. i'm sure a pile of shorting profits were thrown away making the wrong bets when it went upwards.

it is very much profitable, but in this market may be hard to execute. You gotta be smart, and you gotta know what you are doing. GL

Shorting is profitable if you select those coins who got big potential to rise up nor have a movy movements, And if you can monitor and spot those well surely you might gonna earn more money from it time to time and the perfect example of coins that best for shorting is bitcoins since the movements of it is pretty much doing upwards and backwards as we can see.

that's the hard thing to do, knowing when to place the entry i guess experience will be the good teacher for every traders, shorting is like gambling with the future of the current project, if you missed you risk your money if you got in correctly you will get good profits.

But holding for more is the more riskier we got since we doesn't know if the coin we hodl will pump hard if times goes by unto it but If we choose wisely those potential coins who's top on marketcap im so sure that doing some short trades on them are so good since they have potential to cameback after some red stats happen on them.

Your're right friend. I don't like margin trading because its very risky. If you really don't know how to earn exactly on it so start move on now or you will lose your currency because margin trading is for professional trader only. I only trade in an exchange because I know I can earn multiple profits in a right time.

Not for bitcoin. I have been looking for a shorting website, but found that the interest is way too much. It is around 0.2-1%  per day for bitcoin, which means that if you short 1 btc and it doesn't drop in 100 days, then you lose all your money.

No one wants to believe that the value of bitcoins/alts can go down as well as up. But they do go down a lot. Simply by shorting, you can take advantage of the downward movement in the stock market. This strategy allows you to be profitable in other situations as well, not just when prices go down. However it is very risky and you need balls of steel to be successful especially when prices move against you.

I advice you not to do this, even more if you're not a lucky type of person. Simply because this type of trading is just risky as fck. Again, RISKY! so you should just avoid it, coz you'd just probably lose morethan what you can gain, many experienced traders have already gone broke because of this type of trading. So just stay away from it to prevent yourself from being added up to the long list of people who has gone broke because of this type of trading.
Goodluck in whatever you choose. This is just an advice.

Shorting is risky just as it is to go long on a margin trade except as the market generally goes up shorting presents much more risks than ordinary margin buys. It can potentially be very profitable if you know what you are doing but to demonstrate the risk I remember there was a guy on reddit who posted his experiences with shorting. He has earned over a million over the last years out of very little and lost nearly all of it on one bad short which he kept trying to prop up with new funds as the market went the opposite direction.

You should be careful, margin trading is risky and not for all investors, leveraging is a double-edged sword, amplifying losses and gains to the same degree. I honestly don't see its benefits.

Good day traders look for small market moves and cut their losses early, which minimizes the risk of using other people’s money. But it is easier said than done, once your emotions take over, bye bye bank.

If you do it right, yes it is profitable.
But only do it if you are sure about your prediction. It is very stressful too.

Everyone can predict anything, but there can be no certainty about it. You need to listen more to the forecasts of experts, they are to what ordinary Bitcoin users think. Hotch often people can predict further development or other situations in the sphere of crypto currency.

and specially for bitcoin. because the price of bitcoin is already trading too much high. though still it have good potential to increase more and more, but in present time the market can take some correction and may be the price fell down a little for some time but after that it will start rising again. so if you have good experience in sort term investment then you can get benefit from it but if you do not have any experience then it can be more risky.

Stocks go up and down. Taking a long position on a rising stock makes money and also taking a short position on a falling stock makes money.If we talk about risks: Bill O’Neil, founder of Investor’s Business Daily, examined the issue of short selling in his book “How To Make Money Selling Stocks Short”, and concluded that “few investors really understand how to buy stocks successfully. Even fewer understand when to sell stocks. Virtually no one, including most professionals, knows how to sell short correctly.” In fact if done correctly, the risks of short selling are very similar to the risk of long stock purchases.

i trade it using scalping methode for trading short time, and still get profit 1-3%/transaction  ;D ;D ;D

What is shorting? Please explain it to me.

Is it like this?
Buy Altcoins and sell immediately after a little bit and fall back a little and buy again? I earned it here but I'm going to go for a ride because I'm getting hit and getting caught up so I do not want to repeat it anymore. is that so ?

Shorting is profitable if you know what you are doing. If you are an inexperienced trader than it definitely is NOT recommended, that is for sure!

Even though you are not well experienced in short trading it is still better to try it rather than letting the opportunity to pass you. If you are not willing to take risk and get to short term trading with full of courage then you should not try trading at all because trading is not a safe haven for your money and it is full of risk but i can guaranteed that it is all worth it.

SHorting, just like margin or CFD trading is for risk taker only. The higher they play the higher the rewards they get but the risks on playing or trading using them is very very high and not advisable for anyone.

Yes, shorting is profitable if you see a downtrend in the coin. As many members mentioned, it is stressful and not advisable to trade margin. I find it better to buy the coins and wait for the price to rise.

Yes you are right in some way but let me clear you about shorting, it is a kind of trading in which you do work quickly I mean just you said buy and sell immediately when price rise, sell when they predict that prices will down very soon. Actually it is a trading for expert, a simple person like you and me can never so this and if we do we go in loss because for this you need an extra knowledge and experience.

Yes shorting is profitable only if you are easy with taking risk. In this case, if you are newcomer then even it is okay to do short trading for getting experience. But still you must have knowledge of the trending situations.

Buy, it and then sell it in short time after a little rise and then again buy it in suitable time. It is okay but you must not comprise on risk then.

So if it's too risky, it's like Binary Options, no?
You need to be attentive all the time, you need some luck also because the results can oscillate too much.
But different from Binaries it could work for shitcoins especially, which the price changes much more than well established Crypto-Currencies in a daily basis.

For me, margin trade in cryptocurrency market like Binary Options, because we also have option buy/sell depends our predict. And the risk when trading of them are high than exchange normal.

Yes it is definitely that shorting is a profitable thing if your prediction is in the right thing. But since we all know that trading is very unpredictable were not sure 100% if our prediction is precise. Which is risk was very high were it can wreck you down too,.

Shorting is too much like gambling to me....unless I had reliable inside information (which is illegal to act on)...so no, I don't short. Especially something as volatile as cryptocurrencies.   

I haven't tried shorting (only long), but know quite a few who do--they mainly only short with BTC as altcoins are too volatile for shorting. They pay close attention to price action, trend lines, confirmations and the news, which in turn, they will short the dips. I'm a wee bit too intimidated to try shorting, but will get there once I become more experienced with TA.

It is very risky. You could sell a % of your coins and hope that the falling price drops even lower so you can buy more back at a cheaper price, but sometimes the price all of a sudden shoots up and you have to wait much longer to sell them without a loss.

Very well said! I think shorting can be profitable but it all depends on how good you are at predicting the things accurately. If your prediction sense is good and are confident enough that you are making a right decision, only then you can get profit. Else you are going to lose your money.

shorting like any other trading strategy is not at all a "gambling". and although insider information is obviously helpful but it is not at all mandatory in order to be successful in it.
just like any other trading strategy, in shorting you also make an analysis of the market and come up with a speculation. we all know certain cases where bitcoin price falls. they never fail us. for example you don't need to know some secret information to be able to predict a drop after the FUD about bitcoin split is being spread. or the FUD about China banning bitcoin, .... and lots more. you just have to watch out and act fast.

doing shorting is indeed a risky thing. for example we buy altcoin which is just emerging in the market, need a good analysis when see the right coin and also have prospect. because if we can not choose the right option then we could have suffered huge amounts of losses.

Exactly! Shorting is very much profitable but it entirely depends on you whether you can take good advantage of those moments or not. I think at that point, you can judge someone’s interpersonal skills like how good he is at managing up the things. If you can’t avail the opportunity then you need to work really hard.