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I admit I messed up.
I coded too much for too long, and didn't take the time to check my work; in the end, the users paid.
I am sorry for what happen, but I had other projects going on to which I had no time to spend to make Double Trouble right.

I ended up selling my script for an undisclosed amount of money.
The guy ended up creating (from what I take it) a MySQL version of what I did.
He has a better ideas for the script, and obviously a better design schema.
http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=22279.0

Trust me, hate me; I'm sorry.

What is it? not sure i understand.

Basically:
You put in 1BTC, and wait for someone to put in enough to Double 1BTC.
This keeps going until the game is over.

What an idotic ponzi scheme!

01 - 1
02 - 2
03 - 4
04 - 8
05 - 16
06 - 32
07 - 64
08 - 128
09 - 256
10 - 512

(this is not completly correct since I did't applied the "hosting and game" fees, which make any amout slightly smaller than mentioned)

So, basically if only 10 persons per day would participate, the 10th person had to risk 512 BTC in hopes some even bigger idiot would bring in 1024 BTC (that's only about 16.800 USD at this time). The last one either never gets his money back OR has to pay a 2% Fee which at that point would be the nice some of  336 USD.

Well, happy gaming ;)

If say the 10th person were the last person of the day, and they put in 512BTC then they would loose 2% (from fees) and get 509.44 back.
How is that bad?

They would have at least lost 2.56 BTC (42,50 USD @ 16.6) OR somehow the site went down and would have lost 512 BTC.

Good luck with your business!

That is how the game is setup.
If they choose to attempt to double that high, that's up to them.

No one is forcing anyone to do the exponential system like you suggest.

I do thank you for your input. :)

Yeah, it's just how the game is setup. To make people happy without feeling cheated.

Don't get me wrong - whoever wants to gamble can do so at their own risk.

BUT this guy has no means of reaching him whatsoever - no contacts on the site nor on his profile.
What if it becomes more profitable to simply shut the site down and keep the last poolee's coins?

Even the first person to participate has to risk 16.6 USD - I don't find this very attractive.

But, please play if you like it (and believe in the goodness of humankind)  ;)

I will be sure to add contact information!
Thanks for remind me.

I don't see how it could be more profitable than leaving it running.


[Edit]: Contact information added to front page!

Well, I entered for .1BTC, we'll see what happens.....

Btw, a countdown or time showing when the last round started would be an idea? Of course this could potentially stop people from entering later in the round I guess...

Now I know why you were hating at my thread, lol because everyone is hating on you in yours... loool

I'm not hating. ;D

I've entered two of these, hopefully at least one of them actually pays out, then I break even :)

I just noticed I left out the bank balance variable to check to see what the pot is.
I just added it in there.

No money is lost or gone, just will take another people with at least 0.1BTC to pay the others out.
(I should probably setup a while loop to check the bank).

Actually, yeah...I'm going to setup a process to push payments if the pot is big enough (which is it at least for the first two people right now).

The SCI I use doesn't send the back the address of the person who paid. It just sends back "Bitcoin P2P Network".

edit: I failed :D

I'm about to start manually pushing out payments.
Sorry about that automation.

[Edit]: Looks like the code is fixed up, and people are getting paid out!
If anyone would like to confirm their payment, that would be good. :)

Just interested, how any lines of code are there? :P

index.php - 95
library(for proc) - 135 [provided by the SCI]
returnfile(when you pay) - 183
pay.php - 32
failed.php - 3
success.php - 5
faq.php - 49
newgame(cron file) - 109

Made my heart jump a bit. I read that as 1024 BTC was worth 16.80 USD! LOL.  :o

And another entry :)

I do like an automated one, as it leaves no room for someone accidentally forgetting to add soemthing to a spreadsheet. (Although bugs could be disastrous).

edit: And more! :D

Yeah, my most recent bug was found when a new game starts.
It's suppose to send everyone who didn't get doubled their money back, but their was a flaw.

I think what I'm going to do is:
((Amount in Pot)/(Total Amount Unpaid))/(Total # of Unpiad)

I'm still working out the rest of this (such as the weight[amount] per person).

what happened to the refund?

(for those of you that don't realize it, there can be no refund in a game like this unless OP wants to pay out of their own pocket. By it's nature the "last entry" gets eaten up paying out the entries before it.)

If you haven't read my post right above yours I am trying to work out a way to at least give Some of the money back.

I'm thinking about taking the pot at the end of the game, finding out what percent of the money goes to who and I take a 2% fee from each person.
(Math is still a work-in-progress).


Roughly midnight, then the game restarts.

It's actually the servers timezone.
I'll add it on the front page (how much time is left before game restarts).

Fair enough.

Though you should at least work it out in a basic spreadsheet and see that depending on how the betting goes, people could be getting back very small fractions of what they put in.

Also there should be a countdown clock until reset.

wow I love it when a feature gets added seconds /before/ I post :)

Whats up, looks nice and clean. Got my shiny 2 btc dished out automatically

I'm going to stop working on the countdown timer until midnight but that's when the game resets. In other words, that's how long I have to perfect the refund code.
AHH! lol

Hey :D
I told you this game would be a hit.
Kind of surprised that I didn't think about the refund properly.

It was pretty late dude, and the concept was new. Hey but the program is pretty smooth:)
Are you doing a smaller time frame for the reset, or what ended up happening with that. I was thinking a big time frame was counter-productive.

I ended up going with the game resetting at midnight.
Currently working on the math to split the current bank between users who haven't gotten paid (when the game resets).
The problem I am having is the weight each user has on the bank as to make the split fair.

Thats a toughy. Its different for each person.



Leftover pot
*
(
User_X's Unpaid Deposit Amount
divided by
Total amount of deposits of unpaid users
)

Then your fee
I dont know how to apply that to code

Okay, I believe I have it down (took me a while lol)...
Maybe I can get the communities input before I put it in place? I want to make sure this is fair for everyone.

Mind the $ and non $ switching. I do that when I code in notepad -> calculator before I move it into notepad++ xD

:D 1hr and 45min left

I don't use a specific BTC address for payments (well I do, hrm...maybe I should post it?).
It uses the SCI from mybitcoins.com (btw, if you use mybitcoins.com you can get free transactions instead of paying the program fee of 0.0005BTC. As the host, I still take the 1% and 2% fees).

The database goes through, splits the earnings (look a few post up about the math of that), deletes the database, and re-creates it.

[Edit]: The code is now in-place for refunds:
This is the exact code I am using to split the shares.
If ANYONE sees anything wrong, please let me know!
ps, I am logging what get's shared for 1 night to make sure it goes smoothly. If not, having this log will allow me to see what went wrong.

Let me be the first to suggest running this one until 2moro nite...lol. Didnt know what time it was where you are.

So, instead of resetting each night...wait two nights?

 :-\yeah.?.?
Just this time because we didnt know what time it is. I dont really care that much but if other people feel the same way maybe.

Edit* Why'd my nervous/uneasy face come out like that??haha

Okay, I see.
I'll leave the first night (tonight) alone.
I'll have it setup so from tomorrow it will reset each midnight (clock is still going to be at the top).

[Edit]:
I added some code to the front page to:
1) Refresh every 30 seconds.
2) After it refreshes the first time you will notice ?pot_only is appended to the link. This will change the title to show how big the pot currently is. Saving you time from having to go back to the page and refreshing it every so often.

Hope everyone likes the updates. :D

http://gyazo.com/fa22f77dbc9bb8ac841a9d0dbc705922.png

Nice!!
Thanks for letting it ride.

No problem. :)

Yeah, I'm going to let it ride for tonight.

Also, not sure if anyone noticed there was two orange lines. I was checking if the next person's address. I changed it to check their transaction ID. (No problems, just a few table mistakes. No money lost). :D

I think the instant action and no need to wait for confirmations will keep this one humming along at nice pace for awhile.

I'm getting such great comments! :D

Also, at this time...the game would have been reset for midnight (just in-case anyone was wondering about the time).
Though, this is the only night I'm not going to reset it (may do some other nights in the future...but I'll keep everyone posted).

Also, it would be awesome if I could get some more people to reply saying they got paid! :D

Also inquiring about - amount. is it due to unconfirmed status?

pot says .8017...

i keep picturing wiseoldowl as an owl, sitting in a corner and smoking a pipe...

"Well when I was your age, I was the best bitcoin double trouble player in all the land...."

I'm not sure what happen.
Nothing in my logs show anything being negative.

yeah i saw it too, I was wondering if it had something to do with one of the transactions not being confirmed yet, but before I could put all the numbers in a spreadsheet and see why it might do that it had fixed itself. Regardless, it looks like it is moving/paying properly

I got paid too!

now it's time to move through some higher rollers.

Yup:
5,3,2.5,1,2.5
:P

also now that we have passed midnight, can we just change the countdown timer to the 24 hour clock like it will be everynight?

Time left: 23 hours, 4 minutes or whatever?

Yeah, I'm just monitoring these logs closely right now.
I don't want to see another negative show up.
I want to keep this game as fair as possible.

well we can all see all deposits made both on the page and in the block chain. As long as you don't disappear we can demand the rightful payouts.

We had a bunch of people having fun and getting paid and now people are just putting in .1 and .2 LOL.

I'm not going anywhere.
Even if somehow something happens, I will fix it and over time I'll pay for the mistake.
I've been nervous and shaking for the past two days while coding this.

But, I love to see my script's being used.

Soon, I'll be selling game servers via BTC (still thinking about it). I have all the code setup to accept payments for BTC, just kind of waiting.

Well, I put in .1, transaction ID 133199 about 2ish hours ago, maybe longer, I don't remember the time, and got paid a little while back in the first round of payouts so it looks like everything works. Good luck everyone.

I'm going to take a break, I haven't gotten away from the computer since I woke up.

sleep well! we'll keep the doubling machine warmed up for you while you are gone.

HAHA
I was laughing so hard when I saw this :)

Sleep? I've only been up for 6hrs, I'm not going to sleep yet ;D
Just watching a movie and getting emails via my iPhone when someone post in this thread ;D

Come on guys; let's get it going again!

.4 btc and we nade it through the largest post.

on the move again!

also I have gotten paid instantly multiple times, minus the fee of course (it really is instantaneous!)

I've also been paid multiple times as expected. This is legit!

I'm starting to think that the game really needed to be reset every 24hours.  ::)

Well, as I've said; this will be the only night (well 3 hours ago). [Edit]: This will be the only night that I don't reset the game.

I'm glad everyone is enjoying it!

It will be good to have one place to go, a trusted game, that always starts and ends at the same time, that pays instantly. I think it will be big for you.

I make the following suggestions:

1) Use a different payment address for each game even if you still have to go through current interface, just to make block explorer checks  easier

2) make the UI experience a little better and cleaner, some graphics, maybe a pager for the entry list because it will get long, the ability to see archived games, etc

3) Allow people to post a short message with their bet - make it like 80 characters or something, can use to advertise or to taunt other players or for nothing at all (just an idea, could be fun)

Thanks :D I agree!

I'm not sure the SCI has that option, but I understand what you are saying. I'll leave a message for them.

I've just been double checking the code for the past few days. I've got a template I'm working on for it, just may take a few hours to implement it.
As for the archived games, this game won't be possible to archive this game (well maybe...actually, that may be possible).
I kind of wanted to add a paging feature to view all the players for the current round and only show like 10 people per page (left side will show the last paid and the person next to get paid).

I may do this under a different database as to not interfere with the game.

[Also, I'm sure someone may have a question about payments...]: I just added a new feature to make sure no one can spend anything lower than the current limit (well, I'm only allowing 10 past instead of the 11 that's known with BTC).

I've had quite a success too. :)

Feature request: offer the choice to receive payout to a MyBitcoin account instead of a bitcoin address. I know I can just enter the address from MyBitcoin as the payout address, but since you're using it to process payments, it shouldn't be too hard to integrate payouts.

I may add that as a feature. Thank's for suggesting it. :)

I moved the site to a new domain.
http://zombietoday.com/bitdouble/

All data and current transactions (if anyone was in the middle of one) have been transferred and taken care of. If you have any questions/comments, please let me know.

Looks like your business is thriving!

Wouldn't have thought that - but congrats to that!

Let me just ask one more thing:

Your FAQ says:

>>Requrements?
You will need to have the option to receive payments from the same address you send them<<

How do you do that? How does the sender know the address from which he or she sended you bitcoins?

Thanks. :)

Using your bitcoin program (or website), it should give you an address to accept payments with.



[Edit]: I'm also developing an application to use with this site! (Which is one reason why I wanted to change domains, so I have full control over the Frontpage extention).

(1) you're welcome

(2) but if you create an address in your client it is a receiving address - it is not the sending address (or is it)?

The address in your client represents you. You can receive/accept money with it.
When you make a payment or send money to someone else, they will give you an address to use.


[Edit]:
Current Application Status ;D

https://i.imgur.com/K8xp2.pnghttp://gyazo.com/217a0c1dc2c0d3ad93b93125db94017f.png

Yeah, I know it's nothing right now ;P But...I'm going to start adding the code it so it will be worth something :)

Your Double Trouble is looking very nice.
Congrats!!

Well, thanks for some testers to help me get it started :D
Couldn't have done it without them.

[Another Application Edit/Update]:
If anyone wants to get the application (or see what published version it's at) you can @ http://zombietoday.com/bitdouble_app/
I actually don't expect anyone to download this program, yet alone install it...at least not yet.

[Edit2]:
Another image? This is what it looks like when there is an update for the application.
http://gyazo.com/77e4b2b9be6d6a790d5795403a327d52.png

[Edit3]:
Just wanted to let everyone know that I had mis-configured the SCI Return URL (for some reason I forgot .com??). Anyways, there were two payments (both for 0.25) from someone and I just wanted to let everyone know that those two payments have been refunded. You may re-submit as the SCI Return URL has been fixed.

[Edit4]:
CronJob for midnight is back in-play! So, from now on the game will restart (with partial refunds split from however much the bank has left).
https://i.imgur.com/S4Kt9.png

Game looks pretty much dead right now.
Maybe I should have done the midnight reset.  ::)

Oh well, I'm sure it will be popular again.

I'm thinking about adding an account function so you can register and have it setup so all you can have a few more options (I may also raise the fee to 1.5% and the game-over fee to 2.5%, which would allow me to give users a reason to register [so I can offer them a 1% fee and a 2% game-over fee (as the current fee's are set)]).
You would also be allowed to "save an address" to make making a payment faster (for you).
Another option could be the use of "holding payments" until you're ready to get paid (of course this would be optional), but could give me a reason to charge 2% for automatic payments or 1% for manual payout.

Bleh, this is all conspiracy!..or is it?

[Edit]:
Started working on an API feature (mainly for use with my program, but anyone can use it).
http://zombietoday.com/bitdouble/api.php

Nice! (/me waits for it to be done enough so he can get to work at automatically entering if it picks up speed :P)

Automatic entries?
I guess I could have something like (next game Bank & Entries) tables.
So when the next game starts, it will be like instant payout as soon as the old game end.
Almost like a "would I get automatic money every night @ midnight???"

How's that sound?

No, I was meaning I'd wait for yout to have it possible to make an entry with it, and I'd have a script running to make entries if certrain conditions were met :)

Don't know about your idea :P

Yeah, I'm not sure about it either xD
I'm working on my application. I've got it setup to grab the current pot (from the API). [Not yet published]

http://gyazo.com/4179111e3faf257a829efaa4fcce4662.png

Yeah, I'm confident. Just didn't expect it to be so popular. ;D

Also, new update on the program:
http://gyazo.com/ab7a4ad4e1295103d555864f93e1a165.png

I'm going to publish the update @ http://zombietoday.com/bitdouble_app/ (Version 1.1.0.0).

[Edit]:
Okay, I'm going to sleep (possibly).
I won't reply to any messages for ~6-8hrs.
The game is automatic, so have fun. :)

Thanks :)
I'll add this page to the first post as Sponsoring Threads.

That was the whole idea...AND WHY AM I NOT ASLEEP YET! D:
Anyways, I've updated the API code a little bit [getCurrentPot,getPlayers,getPlayersUnPaid,getPlayersPaid]. The data get's reset on each new game (at midnight).
http://zombietoday.com/bitdouble/api.php

[Edit]: In the ~6hrs since I moved the site to the new domain, I've already used almost 38mb.
http://gyazo.com/46b3828c5f909a1a18b46d7bdceb645e.png
I should probably optimize the code to save bandwidth...nah ;D

I guess you use content-compression? If not, it wouldn't take nuhc code, I'm sure which ever web server you use can allow you to enable it in its configuration! :)

We were all sleeping, there are still more than 12 hours left :)

I'm not ever worried about bandwidth (as you can tell by how much I have left, lol).

Do you think this sort of service will help to stabilise BTC?

i think you should add a minimum bitcoin value like 0.5 or even 1. some people get in with 0.2btc and IMO that's too low.

great website!

0.1 is the minimum, what's wrong with that? :s

nothing wrong with tiny bets, you just make less money :)

I agree, as well ask keep the game moving. ;D

[Edit]: NO!, I still haven't slept yet. -.-

It's going pretty slow out there.

it will pick back up this evening...

I think everyone is like me, waiting for tonights reset...

Yeah, I think that's what's up.
I've got the code setup (tested) to do the restart & partial refund for every midnight. So, looks like we are good to go.

One thing I'm curious about, does it clear the entries completely or do you have records of previous days?  Would be cool to be able to look back and see what happens.

I'm thinking about setting up an archive. I've thought about it, and was trying to think of a way to display it. May be a few rounds before I get to actually setting up the display, but I'll add the code in to save the Transaction #, Amount, and the round #.

Another question, any possibility of getting times next to entries?  Would be nice to know when they came in since yours resets every day.

Yeah, I'll wait till the next round restarts and I'll add it in.

aww man, I was all ready to rock out too...

Nothing you should post here before you restart, like let us know a couple minutes a head of time.

Its after midnight; I just entered and it looks like my BTC was added to the previous day . . . what gives?

I saw some message about how he is debugging some of the script that disappeared at midnight. He ought to have disabled the game in the meantime just because I don't think the game's reset yet!

do not send entries until yesterday's list is gone, common sense...

I would hope that is the case, officialsavage.  The timer did restart at the top of the page and the message was gone.  I'll post here if/when I get refunded.

So you sent in the bid after you saw the message?

He saw the message there and then it was gone, its gone right now. Just track down the transaction in block explorer if Nothing needs it. I'm sure he will refund you. He has more to gain keeping the game running then to scam 1 entry.

I saw the message about the game restarting at midnight and to get your bids ready . . .  

Yeah it said something like he just found a bug that would make him payout 1% to everyone extra and to give him 10-20 minutes to figure it out. It's been 10... .so ...

The message itself was up for like 1 minute before midnight and then it went away when the clock reset.

Looks like some transactions have been removed at the top, at least.

My transaction ID disappeared from the visible stats.  Maybe it will be added to the current day's entries when they are posted?

I just thought of an idea. Nothing should make a google spreadsheet some the players can chat in there instead of posting on this thread too often.

I know I'm a genius right..

Didn't he post his phone number somewhere in this thread? Maybe someone should try to get in touch.

EDIT: Just got paid, but only a fraction of my outstanding deposits.

Looks like the game reset.  Hopefully my transaction ID will soon show up!

Game is on!

It hasn't shown up yet and people are already starting to get paid out . . . :(

Enjoy, I've spent the past 2 days (without sleep) making sure this code is TOP NOTCH!

NothinG, did you lose my entry?  It temporarily showed up but then vanished from the previous list before the changeover.

:D

Looks like it was more popular than I thought. When the reset happen, it took ~30seconds...(having to send all the payments for the end of the day game).
I'll set it up so if it's in the middle of running the end-of-the-day code, then it won't let anyone enter as something may not show up.

What's your address? I'll go check.

shit i was confused why the paying page was stuck for me. The formate has to be X.X and I kept trying to send 5 lmao..

Since it appears that my entry didn't count for either yesterday or today, could I trouble you for a refund?

*cough* two post up :)
What's your address?

The address I used for payment was: 1FfMKrGGMMthUZduYHZfq7Sx78QfCbMKyq

The address I sent payment to was: 1GN585zDpi4MSGpKZap5Tgspe2TkzmZVe1

How much did you send?

1 BTC.

Do it... It will give us a chat function without flooding this thread.

I had two 1 BTC bets when it reset, but got two payments of only 0.02817173 each. Payout address: 1D4KPKd4qw6eiV4NDy7kBHCmhiBzPv7PqK

There is only 1 BTC payment I received (right before the whole  game-end payment stuff happened), but it was from neither of those addresses.

At the end there was only 1.14xxx left if the pot to be split between everyone. I had to split it evenly (which is why I had to disable the instant game-over tonight to correct my math).

Did you enter some function that takes care of transactions from tired idiots who enter 1btc but send 1.5...?  ::)

JUST CREATED FOR THE GAME:

http://bitcoinsurf.net/doublechat/


I just set up a free chat room on my site. ENJOY :D

Gotta update the template though haha.

Sorry, I don't think I can help there.

Hey nothing... Im more C, Java, And C#, but if you ever need help on the backend let me know :)  These games keep bitcoin fun :)

It was sent, I'm happy to send you a screenshot.  It temporarily appeared on the old list, and then vanished before the reset.  

http://www.ausp.org/storage/Screenshot.jpg

This is the only person I received a payment from right before the game reset (hes the 1BTC at the bottom).
https://i.imgur.com/6Zea8.png

There were actually three transaction IDs around 138200, mine and then two others above it that temporarily appeared and then vanished.  All the other transaction IDs for yesterdays game ended around in the 136,000's. 

I'm not sure why it isn't showing up, unless your software didn't take it into account because of the 'end of day processing', but one way or another I've 1 less BTC in my account.  And if it were added to yesterday's transactions I'd expect a few bitcents back per your end of day refund policy.  But in this case, my transaction didn't get included in either day, and seems lost somewhere in translation.

I'm not sure what software you're using to track this, but if you examine balances I think it should be fairly clear that a total of three 1BTC transactions came in and then disappeared immediately before the reset but after Midnight.

This software is actually my wallet. :D
So, anything I receive here doesn't even filter through my code. My code is more like an extension to the wallet.

So, it went where instead of into the game?

Here's the transaction I sent you . . .

http://blockexplorer.com/address/1GN585zDpi4MSGpKZap5Tgspe2TkzmZVe1

The transaction just received its 7th confirmation on my side.  If you haven't yet received it, you should soon.  I'd appreciate it if you could check later to see if it shows up, and if so provide me with a refund.  Thanks.

Woots, 23 or so hours left and its going strong :)

Wow, that first hour went fast :D

Actually NothinG, looking at your screenshot a bit more closely, you need to scroll down.  My transaction was in the first actual minute after midnight (about 45 seconds past the hour).  Your screenshot doesn't include that time. 

Your in luck!
I was able to find your payment!

http://gyazo.com/d0cbf797cb2d06ebdd892a14011cbd8e.png
You should get a refund shortly. Sorry about the delay.

So, I placed a 5 coin order and two 2 coin orders, but at the end, I only recieved .05 and .02 and .02 as a refund, for not "winning". That percentage seems off.

Am I right? Just asking for assistance.

Here's the one I overpayed: http://blockexplorer.com/t/3pij6g2E3f

And receiving address 1Kh9Nm994Xgqstk6qdPXLrFycMUqcrojg2

I think the percentage for return is applied to the remaining pot weighted by your entry not applied to your entry completely.

Would you lend me your Transaction ID? (kind of busy to look through each payment)

Yes!

Refund received.  Thanks for the integrity and finding my transaction!

Wow, so that still makes this uber risky.....I just lost 9 BTC from not knowing that. POerhaps that line should be copied and pasted in the intro? Or at least made more noticeable.

Should I be able to find if it's not in the game table? I was thinking more along the lines of a refund, minus a few bitcents for your troubles.

That the game resets every night? Sorry, I'll add that now.

I entered twice with that receiving address, btw. The first was the 1btc you carried over from the last round, which was doubled just fine.

Edit: That first one has been the only one at 1btc so far, so there hasn't been any other entries at either 1 or 1.5 since I sent the transaction and this post. So, it should be simple to verify against the transaction link and incoming transactions in your wallet. So, a refund to the address I gave you or to the inputs listed in the transaction would work.

Hope I don't sound too grumpy... it's almost 8am here, and I'm just about to go to bed before keyboardface occurs... :)

no, that losing means you get 2% of the pot left, not 2% of your initial bid

EDIT: Just realized this is very important, as NothinG gives the opposite impression at the beginning of the thread.

Its all a bet... he could have the same odd's in blackjack and noone would think it was wierd lol.  But it can pay off :)  And it might not sometimes :(

Dood its all good I got my 10 bitcoins

Meh I put about 3/4ths of what I got back in... there is still an entire day of people joining.

Right now is the best time to enter, because you've got until midnight (server time) to get doubled!

[Edit]: I'm off to take a smoke, then I'm going to sleep.
(If anyone has been keeping track, I haven't slept since I first opened this game).

And we all appreciate it ntohing :)  Like I said, if you ever need help with server or database code let me know...  Im not a php persion unfortuantley though.

I redid the chat system, so now we shouldn't have as many time-outs:

http://bitcoinsurf.net/doublechat

Just enter a Username and leave the password field blank and YOU ARE IN.

I have a Public Chat, and a Technical Support Chat, so you can communicate better with NothinG during game resets if you experience problems.

ENJOY!

Page is pretty slow and unresponsive, what's going on?

People are probably refreshing the crap out of it haha.

Anyone around? It's gotten pretty slow...

Lol you will probably see it spike when people actually start waking up :p  Most everyone is probably asleep right now.

Yea everyone is sleeping. I'm pretty sure the list will double. If history shows anything, the list hit that double point from yesterday's game when it was about 7 hours left.

I don't think daily scheduled resets are a good idea. The time period is too short and in the end everyone will just join in with automated bots paying the first second of the new round.

Heh, I'd thought about making a bot to do it.... perhaps a CAPTCHA needs to be put in place for submitting your entry, this should prevent any bots from entering.  Plus there are tons of easy to use CAPTCHA services out there.

This will still give a huge advantage to people living in preferable timezones.

I have a question:

in total, people paid 83.52 BTC today. Of this, 82.6848 goes to the pot (1% fee).
also, 74,68 BTC have been sent to people (double the amount of all players listed as doubled) (your example shows your fee going back to the pot, which is a bit strange, so I didn't include it).
so the pot should contain 8.0048 BTC, right? The site lists the pot as 5.6084, so where did the other 2.4 go?

Is my math wrong somewhere?

Going to restate what he said with my math:
83.52 put into the pot so far
Take away the 1% fee leaves the pot at 82.6848
Green entries total to 37.34
This means a total payout of 74.68

Total put in - total payout  (should) = current pot
82.6848 - 74.68 =\= 5.6048

So looks like yorick was correct in his math.

There already is a captcha.

The pot shows the 1% taken away, but when I send people the money, I re-calculate based on what they put in.
$Amount = what they paid.

Yeah, there is a captcha when you pay.

I honestly don't care if people use bots to pay.
[Edit]: Now that I thought about it (still waking up), bots probably won't be a good idea. If the game is in the middle of restarting; then the payment may get lost. So, if the bot send the payment while the game is "supposedly offline" looks like I just got a new donation. So, script carefully! ;D

Any news on my 1.5? I got a confirmation on the payment page, but I have no idea how the rest works. Did it get sent to your wallet and was ignored by the script, or is there some function in the SCI that holds incoming payments if they are at the wrong amount?

I'm only out .51 if I include the first double, but I imagine it could be worse for someone who gets the decimal point wrong and sends ten times their intended amount.

http://gyazo.com/192be35b22b44da96c23cbb4c71d0211.png
It states, that you need to pay exactly what it shows.
I don't want to be rude, but that's honestly your mistake.

I made a spreadsheet calculating your payouts:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag7eUBbWmtR4dERnSkUxdVRXbk5fWlRneFlwTVhaUVE&hl=en_US&authkey=CMm1j4YK

Still looks like some is missing, please let me know if I did any of the math wrong.

I know it's my mistake. And I'm sure it's one that will be repeated by someone else. I'm guessing your reason for the transaction in system to get the bids into the table in the order they were entered rather than by network timestamp, and that's a good idea, but wouldn't it be possible to add a few lines for protection? If sent amount is lower it's ignored, if it's higher the script enters the intended 1btc and keeps the excess .5 as a bonus?

Or simply set something up that returns any invalid payments minus a 5-10% processing fee that goes to you or the pool.

The pot shows how much there is to payback.
The pot calculates 1% already taken out of the equation.
When I send people the money, I am re-calculating their price based on how much they put in instead of relying on the Bank.
The Bank allows me to know how much to split among the players who haven't gotten paid at the end of the game.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean....

Can you create a spreadsheet of your own in the style of mine?  I am just failing to see where the 2.8401 (that I believe) should be in the pot is.

I've got someone I needed to be 3 minutes ago, so I'll do it when I get home.
But, I'll be more then happy to make a spreadsheet. :)

Thank you.

I did confirm my math for what you are sending out is correct.  I put in 2.14 last night and got 2.586 sent to me, here is the transaction on block explorer (http://blockexplorer.com/tx/c55dbeefc307b0af3583b5e8adc00d3137621db189c48740ebf4867d3e8adcbf#o1).

Still going strong it seems :)  Three  more payouts since I went to bed :)

Glad to see it moved while I slept. Let's see how far we can go before reset!

What's up with the site?  Seems to be completely down.

Seems to still be down.  Hopefully back up soon... was having fun.

* [tgsNothinG] idle 33:38:32, signon: Fri Jun 17 09:00:16

;?

Sorry, I just got back online.
Our web-server ran out of space. I'm not really sure how, but it crashed.
I have backups on my PC and will be restoring (if anything happened) when it gets back up.
Worst case, I have full payment logs in mybitcoin's website which will be used to pay back people (which I will have to do manually) if it stays down.

Still down for me.

Woots back up :)  Lets get some more people their doubles :)

Could oyu postpone reset because of downtime? :P

It was like a 3 hour downtime o.O
If enough people suggest this, I may do it.

I say go for it

I pm'd you, suggested a full day instead of 3 hours cause then it would just be taking 3 hours of game time away from the following day. Who wants an extension? Speak up now before he makes a decision.

I think you need to extend it since it was down for a while... probably best to just put it off till tomorrow night.

I've got a poll running.
If there are more than 10 people that vote, I'll do it.
http://www.polleverywhere.com/multiple_choice_polls/LTY2NTU1MDI0Nw/web

http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=bhs&chco=001d65&chbh=a&chd=e:..AA&chs=500x375&chm=t181646,000000,0,0,26.99775,0,lvs:0:0|t181647,000000,0,1,26.99775,0,lvs:0:0|t100%,001d65,0,0,26.99775,0,rv:129.5892:0&chxr=1,0,3,1&chxt=y,x,x&chxl=0:|No|Yes|2:|Total+Results:+3&chxp=2,93&chxs=0,001d65,17.9985|1N*fy*,001d65,17.9985|2,001d65,12&chma=20,20,20,20&chf=bg,s,ffffff&chtt=Should+Tonight's+(19+June+2011)|BitDouble's+Midnight+Reset+be+Postponed|Until+Tomorrow+Night+(20+June+2011)?&chts=001d65,17.9985

I assume you will announce if the game will postpone or not before midnight

v-v-v-voted

By the looks of the chart, it wont be long.

http://gyazo.com/146762367a630c2bae05acaebcd12531.png

[Edit]: Just to be fair to the people who want to vote no; I'm going to stop the poll after 20 votes.

It would be nice to know... most likely will put some more in if it is :)

http://gyazo.com/70087e28e9ff29fbb7a5eef55dbe1869.png

Looks like the game's reset will be postponed until tomorrow night.
Very close poll.

does that mean it will be extended?

Yes.

[Edit]:
Just wanted to let everyone know that I boosted some security features of the site (don't want to say what ;D).
I am also working on the API (v3.0). This should be done by the end of the night.
I might also release another version of the BitDouble Application (http://zombietoday.com/bitdouble_app/).

Cool! Step up to the plate ladies, existing round just became 2. 27 hours till reset.

idk if an extension was a good idea, it seems pretty dead

If there wasn't anytime downtime from today, I would agree.

I don't think there's going to be much more movement from this current point without a reset. just my opinion

Yeah, the thing is the downtime started at like 5, which is when it was pretty much dead anyway. The people who want the reset already have money in, and the people who don't have money in aren't going to bid. It'd be a shame to essentially waste a whole round of bids, but if you want to honor the poll I understand.

A vote is a vote.
I probably should have just went on with the reset, but it was my idea to poll people; and the results were in.

Sounds good, its good to stand by what was stated

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=19833.0

For those of you interested, a new version thats 1.25x just started while we wait for this one to reset

I like the idea; faster game.
I'm defiantly not going to do anymore postponing.
Hell, after a few more days it may be just faster to do half-day games. (I will take some votes on this; latter).

Still interested in seeing a spreadsheet in my style with your calculations.

I actually got caught up in other stuff (such as a video for BitDouble Application).
SSL (https://zombietoday.com/bitdouble)
And the API code.

I'll get around to doing the spreadsheet sometime.

Implying it should take more than about 5 minutes to put in some numbers and your equations, I'd say 15 minutes max.

Just recalculated my spreadsheet for this game (https://spreadsheets2.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?authkey=CMm1j4YK&hl=en_US&key=tDgJE1uTWnN_ZTgxYpMXZQQ&hl=en_US&authkey=CMm1j4YK#gid=0) to include the newer entries... still seems to be missing 2.8401 BTC.

What happened to the website?  I put in 2 BTC.

Read first post?

"Temporarily Down Until MyBitCoin.COM Comes Back!"

Would it be possible to move the entry time to make it slightly less rubbish for europeans? :(

Well I was planing on doing a new game every 12 hours.

How about a new round every 36 hours? It would give different starting times, and It might also keep each round fresh longer as more people wake up/get off work in various time zones.

you can keep the 12 hour game but please, 12pm EST is 5am WEST... guys like me in europe dont feel like waking up @ 5am...

edit: corrected PST to EST

Its 12 EST, not PST

36 hours is too long, the game usually last within the first 3-5 hours and then it's just really slow.
I'll start thinking about a good odd time to let everyone play the game.

I think the active time might get proportionally longer. At the current time, people in the US might throw in a deposit before going to bed, and in Europe before going to work. So, when people get back home or wake up 8-10 hours later there's too little time left of the round for new deposits or reinvestment to have a chance of getting doubled. But, if you have a 36 hour round it will be a whole day left when people get back, so that might keep the round going for a another few hours.

Maybe two parallel 36 hour rounds could be something as well, which would make a new round start twice a day... and it could make things interesting in itself.

Edit: 36 hour rounds would mean every other day would would have two rounds starting, if they start with a 12 hour difference from the beginning. Unless my thinking is wrong again... :)

If it were every 36 hours, there would only be a new round every other day.

IDK, 36 hours seems way too long, and I think 12 would be good, everyone gets two shots a day if they need it.

I'm thinking I may restart the game every 12 hours.
Even if your in a different location; you've got 2 shots.

That was for the suggestion of having two 36 hour rounds with a 12 hour overlap. Round one starts at midnight and ends at noon 36 hours later. Round two starts at noon and ends at midnight day after the next.

I still think the active time in each round would be too long to make sense.

I'm only running one game at a time. If I do anymore, I might as well start selling my script for others to make their own game. :P

In my head that could make things interesting with people trying to reinvest their doubles into the other ongoing round, and with a variance that would add a factor that would be different from shorter single games or two 24 hour games with a 12 hour difference. But maybe that's just me... :)

So Nothing, does this start at 12:15 sharp?

Game is dead :(, what about those who did not get the money? you going to do refunds?

I mean the next round starting in about 2 hours. But to answer your question, you only get refunded a percentage of the coins left in the pot, based on how much you initially put in.

Hey Nothing, does this restart at midnight sharp? or 12:15 sharp?

I think the script needs Mt. Gox active in order to work, so there might be another postponement...

I wish we would have run one more round before Gox went down  :(

Edit: Is the game still on then? According to the web page, it will be restarting in less than an hour.

The game is back up, and will restart at midnight.
As long as https://www.mybitcoin.com is online, we will be good to go.

Remember, if you guys wanna live chat during the beginning of this next round, rather than spamming the forum:

http://bitcoinsurf.net/doublechat/

All you have to do is type a username, and leave the password field blank.

nothing is showing up...

Shoot! I mistyped a number and didn't notice it.  Was aiming to send in 1.4 BTC but I wrote it down as 1.5 BTC for how much I am sending in.  May I please inquire as to what happens Nothing?  Thanks and sorry for the additional trouble

i think we broke it :)

http://files.sharenator.com/fuuu_Busted-s512x386-98509-580.png
Mybitcoin.com broke their API -.-

Maybe everyone mistyped their entries. But I triple checked mine this time... ;)

what do?!?!

I still think you should just use a manual address for each round. Now reason for mybitcoin.

Also, refund and start over pls?

for certain didn't mistype. no entries are in and its been like 9 minutes, not possible we all mistyped now did we?

MyBitcoin allows funds to be shuffled around easier than manual addresses.

Refunds will be done in a few.

Umm possibly waiting for blocks to confirm?  That coudl explain the9 minutes.

nah dude i already have 3/ on my bet

Heh I trust nothing for the refunds then :)  he has had an awful lot in previous pot's and made sure payments all went out :)

Maybe MyBitcoin is waiting for 6 blocks like it does for deposits?

Nothing also already said what was wrong a few posts ago.

posted 1.5 at 12:00:05 :(
What happened??

Nah, I found out it was my fault.
When I added the SSL, I forgot to edit the config -.-
MY BAD EVERYONE!

I will start giving refunds in a few moments!


[edit]: ARG, this may take longer than I thought -.-
http://gyazo.com/3b4d8a38c79e6b7c252b7a478aa11421.png

Can you please tell us when the next round begins, once you've taken care of refunds/the server issues?

I have not recieved my refund of 2.085, from 1HouVBaP6RPdKRkm2xzJrxKmLfhmHgQCbL . Any status updates?

He said he's starting to refund. This stuff takes time to propagate through the system!

Yeah he just showed he has to refund 78 bitcoins, it'll take a while to even fill out the send bitcoins menus

No, it's fast...I'm just slow.
Had to go get some cake (help's me think).

Well, game appears popular at least lol

I sent 1.50 from 1NVKP6UhBdu6pY6ZHBgrYJcKERRv2rA8K1.

I just sent everyone a refund (as far as I could see in the bank).

I will be doing a small 0.1 test to see if it's working.

stop the game and don't allow ppl to send, give a heads up on thread if you will start it up again.

Still testing apparently

game didn't even start yet

Hey nothing, I did not receive my refund of 1.4 from 1BcM7uZZi4JoMKomvLS2pQUnxadRjy2SpN yet.  Is it because I mistyped or just skipped.  Your help is appreciated greatly.

Did not receive a refund...

I noticed the game had reset and was accepting payments, so I tossed my bid up as well.  We'll see if/when it shows up!

Didn't get a refund yet either

PLEASE DO NOT TRY TO PLAY THE GAME UNTIL HE DECLARES THAT IT IS WORKING--YOU WILL WASTE HIS TIME BY MAKING HIM CONTINUE TO REPEATEDLY  REFUND YOUR TRANSACTIONS

Sorry for the caps, just wanted to make sure that he gets to focus on the important work.

sending coins will just waste more of NothinG's time until the game is back up..

Ooops.


He might try detagging the play link?

Thank you!

[Edit]: I sent in a support ticket; because I'm not getting ANY response!

Ah herbert proved me wrong, i'll bring it to PM

I got my refunds, seems like most people did according to the chat room.

For some reason the chatroom won't let me connect at all.  But I still have yet to receive my refund, odd... I'll remain patient (:

Same on both fronts. I get an instant "server not found" from the link to the chatroom.

what browser are you using?

firefox 4

I see nothing about a refund and I worry that it counted me as part of the older round. But how can that be possible if the page said 12:00:05?
Everyone got their refund?

I use firefox but I tried with chrome and its still a no go

I still have not received my refund

Are you USA based or no?

I'm trying to figure out why some people can get in but others can't :\

From the chat:
(01:09:25) (Rev): Did someone just set off a DDoS?
(01:09:30) (Rev): MyBitcoin is timing out
(01:09:46) HerbertFilby: it's up for me
(01:09:54) (fetzkochl): for me too
(01:10:00) (fetzkochl): up I mean
(01:12:54) HerbertFilby: well, anyway, not that I've stopped mining, I've played the first video game on my computer in about a month lol it was quite a relief
(01:13:32) (NothinG): I haven't played games in over a month.
(01:14:04) HerbertFilby: hmmm, some people cannot get into the chatroom :\
(01:14:07) (NothinG): That's perfect; Mybitcoin just timmed out for me -.-
(01:14:32) HerbertFilby: They might be responding to your email and trying to fix their site
(01:14:36) (NothinG): I don't think they are being ddosed though

USA, this is odd lol, my tor still runs Firefox 3 and normal firefox is firefox 4, checked and it does work in tor, so it might just be firefox 4's fault.

USA here too, west coast if that matters

I too cannot access the page; I get a 404 Not found error with Chrome.  Are we supposed to be getting refunds or is my 2 BTC still in the game?

We might just move the whole thing to IRC, but that's up to NothinG. For now, just try TOR or use an online web proxy perhaps.

We are moving to IRC. Check it out here:

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-bitdouble&uio=d4

Yeah, I'm in here.

For people who cannot access http://bitcoinsurf.net

Can you view http://herbertfilby.com at all?

I'm trying to narrow this down to a Browser issue or a Hosting issue. Thanks!

can't view it on firefox 4, can on firefox 3 w/ TOR

Same problem then, humph.... I dunno. I try Googling this problem and the only thing that comes up is how to "BLOCK" a website with firefox, but not how to unblock it.

Seems like the pot is ON! going strong  8)

meh. no one told me it was starting.

He's having more problems. It was working, but was not paying out. He's issuing refunds and will let everyone know when it's back up officially.

Games open and problem free (as far as he knows)!

Good to see it up! Now to just wait for dwolla to finally get my funds in -_-

Yeah, it's back up.
Sorry about the problems...stupid SSL.

Still running great.  A good 6+ hours to go, get your bits in while the goings hot.

only 14 btc deposited on second try of game, but 78 earlier.
The 12 hour thing is cool except this one time lol. o well.
Thats my 2 in last place . Hey nothing, was i absolute first originally? is that why my refund was separate?
I'd be proud if i was first out of 78 BTC.

I'm sure the bids will go back up once we know for sure there are no more problems with the MyBitcoin API  :) Just give it a round or two to restore confidence.

I updated the pay.php (http://zombietoday.com/bitdouble/pay.php) page.
Seems fair enough?

Makes sense, people should see that if they are hovering on the pay page right before a round starts. Will force them to keep an eye on the home page to make sure the new round has begun.

As long as I'm not reliable for them submitting it to early; then I don't have to worry about refunding anyone.
;D

Not really, but you don't get charged the 0.0005 per transaction when using the Bitcoin Client.

Not trying to be a dick, but does this mean you have no interest in refunding me (or anyone)?  Because I still haven't received one.

I had refunded everyone that needed to be refunded (when I was fixing the script), then I put up the rules.

1 hour till gametime!

Yesterday the biggest problem was that people were not paying attention to the main page and trying to sneak in their bid at 12:00:01 when the game was still processing the previous rounds payments. NothinG stated that there would be a clear lag in time between rounds.

Tonight, if you still see yesterday's posts on the main page, then DON'T submit a bid even if it's past 12:00:00, because it will count for yesterday's round.

The game has to process yesterday's rounds first and THEN a new game will start.

I'll be in IRC (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-bitdouble&uio=d4) if anyone wants to chat before the new round starts (and after or w/e).

Whoever is waiting for their 1 btc to double, you might be better off adding in 0.78 BTC so you can get something back before the next round ends:

1 BTC + 0.78 BTC = 1.78 invested

Will get 2 BTC from the game back before the round ends... You won't double your money but you will at least profit 0.22 BTC :P

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

NothinG, I'm getting this error:

[23:28] == #bitcoin-bitdouble Cannot join channel (+i) - you must be invited



EDIT: Everyone Use this link:
http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=bitcoin-bitdouble&uio=d4

I didn't notice it was on invite only, just turned it off.

[23:30] == Cannot send to channel: #bitcoin-bitdouble

Another error when I try to type to the chat.

Same problem as herbertfilby

I'm not sure why IRC was on Invite Only & Moderated.
But, it's open now.

Based on what criteria did you allow those people to be refunded but not me?  I put in 2 BTC a couple days ago before it went offline for a while.  Later that round it went offline and I lost my 2 BTC when it was back.  I asked about it and you made it sound like you would refund me.

What address did you use; I'll go check.

I'm not sure, probably 1AVmyLMCck5f69vauQTWAAiREe8a39Z4Lp or 176pWBdHx6Pz5ji1ALwYQQht2cBY7XsAEb.

http://gyazo.com/bc0a29abbc9ab058f30ac891855d6cfe.png
That's as far back as my history goes.

Are you trolling? That picture is clearly cropped.  I clearly sent you the money Bitcoins and I would like a refund.  You cannot accept someone's money promising a service and then take the service away, morally.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/3204/bitcoinng.jpg

Can we bet right after 12 now?

In the interest in full disclosure I appear to have been double paid double my bet.

0 confirmations so I will wait until they are confirmed before I can assume it's not just a glitch in the bitcoin software.

I list my bet of 1BTC followed by 2 credits of 1.99BTC

If it turns out to be a mistake please let me know of an address I can send it back to.

blahhhh. Transaction fee defaults to 0 on new client and so I didn't get my bet in all ninja-like.  :/

I'm not "trolling".
It's obviously mybitcoin's max history.

No, it's not, you cropped the image down.  Regardless, you stole my 2 BTC and I would like a refund.  People were even talking earlier how payments were short 2.84 BTC.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag7eUBbWmtR4dERnSkUxdVRXbk5fWlRneFlwTVhaUVE&hl=en_US&authkey=CMm1j4YK#gid=0

If that was tysat's post; he already said my math was right.

To update.  The double payout was a mistake, and I have sent back the ill-gotten BTC

I feel it's the same as if a clerk at a gas station over changes you.  It is your duty to return the difference.  If anybody else was double payed I hope your conscience gets the best of you and you return it.

You're missing the point.  Go find the bold and read me what it says.

Quote me where I promised anyone anything.

...and later I went on to say I was wrong about that.
If you look around at any other Double Trouble, you don't get ANYTHING back if you don't win.
I don't have to split the pot with everyone at the end, that was my decision.

It doesn't matter what you said later because when I sent you that bitcoin, you promised I would either get a 98% refund or double my BTC.  I got neither and am out 2 BTC, you are a scammer.

Dank, your bid was probably entered in before the new round started... And thus it went into the previous round's pot and not the current one. So if you didn't get doubled, you should have at least received a partial refund based on the percentage that NothinG states in the rules when a round ends. Either that, or it went into the void due to a typo or something :\

That's the problem, I never got a refund.

What the hell happened to IRC? I just got kick banned :\

Wow,i got banned? how so?

What you did is like taking someones money to make a meal for them, and then closing the store and taking their money.  It's bullshit frankly and I just want my BTC back, I didn't think this would be so difficult.

@herbert me too.

Partial refund may mean like 0.002 BTC depending on the pot at the time.

Also, did anyone else just get sporadically banned?

I pressed CTRL + C to copy some text in the chat, and everyone got kickbanned. Did I press the wrong button?

We all got BANNED >:(

Freenode banned itself xD
GG Freenode!

Anyways, use another webclient or mIRC (x chat works too :P)

could use mibbit or something

Anyways, Dank, maybe you mistyped or something, i lost 1.4 BTC last night to the void. It happens, let it go and move on.  Also, if your bet wasn't doubled then what was left in the pot was split proportionally among everyone that wasn't doubled.  This is called gambling for a reason, you win or you lose.

CHAT IS BACK UP

Yeah, it's still good.

No, I didn't mistype anything, this is solely NothinG's choice so he can make a profit.  NothinG is a scammer unless he can return my 2 BTC.  My bet wasn't doubled because the website went offline halfway through the round.  It is NothinG's fault for not providing the service advertised, thus I am fully entitled to a refund of my Bitcoins based off of NothinG's criteria stated at the time of the purchase.

NothinG, please do not ignore my post: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18350.msg262294#msg262294

I'm not ignoring anything, I just refuse to keep playing your game.
There is no way for me to prove that you didn't get refunded (as my history doesn't go back that far).

I just got banned from the chat again :\

It's the web based irc that is getting banned.  Grab mIRC or some other client.

Playing my game.  You're logic is utterly flawed.


I'm trying to interpret just what the fuck this means.  I already proved that I did not get refunded, and since you cannot prove that I have been then you have no basis to argue.  I have more proof than you, you are just spewing bullshit so you can keep your my BTC.

WARNING TO OTHER USERS: do not use this game expecting a refund or any bitcoins in return.  NothinG would rather keep your bitcoins.

I see you like big text.
You like making people aware with you big text?
Makes you feel strong?

Its called gambling for a reason.  The refund from the pool/losers is unique (or was) to NothinG's game.  The refund in the game you are mentioning seems to be as if you were one of the people who did not get their bet doubled.  You are seizing as a reason, someone's misconception of NothinG's refund rule which was i believe, (i am not going to look for it) promptly refuted by NothinG.  Many of us have been very satisfied with this game both when we win and when we lose.  He spent over an hour trying to find refunds last night when his script went haywire.  Also, if you thought about it logically, how would he refund 98% of a person's bet to every loser when the loser's "bet" was used to pay the winner's doubled out payment.  Also, there have been "bets" of up to 8 BTC, so if he was planning to scam someone, why would he choose 2 BTC over 8 BTC. This common sense would show that he did NOT scam you, you were simply one of the many losing "bets" in this round.  Lastly, his screen shot was not cropped, if you accuse someone of cropping an image without obvious proof, then someone could just as easily say you cropped your refund out of the picture.  I personally do not believe that you did, but that you simply lost.  Sorry for your loss, hopefully you will have hope in one of the many other ventures here on this forum and be able to regain your BTC that way.

I still insist that you put in a refund at the end of one game, not the 30 second limbo at the start of the next. Your transaction log validates this theory, as you put in at 1:51. That means that you either put in well into the game or right before. I will ask this: what time did you put in?

After this, /argument.

dank, I think you just bet at a bad time, got placed at the end of a round, and your deposit was distributed at the beginning of the new round.

If you went to Vegas and lost, do you think they would give you your money back if you asked for it?

You bet on red and the game came out red. Stop complaining and move on. NothinG didn't scam you, you just bet at the end of a round and lost.

Also, if I wanted to scam people...wouldn't I have done it when I was at 78BTC?
What would be the gain in me giving back 78BTC and over time not getting anywhere close?

You don't understand, the website went OFFLINE after I put my money in.  When it came back online my BTC was not on the list!  The round never finished so I never even had a chance to double my BTC.

When did I put in my BTC?
Shortly after that announcement by NothinG (not because of it).  How am I suddenly not admissible for a refund?  My bet was not at the end of the round.

Damn right they better if they advertise refunds and I meat the requirements for said refunds.

The quantity of the people you scammed does not change the fact that you are indeed a scammer, or one who has scammed.  Return my money and I would have no right to call you a scammer, but due to the fact that you lied and decided to purposely steal my BTC you are a perfect example of a scammer.

Does taking people's Bitcoins make you feel wealthy?  I am only telling people that you are a scammer so they don't end up in the same position as me.

+1 that this is a scam.

You just answered where the money went.

If you want a completely transparent one (blockexplorer and spreadsheet to double check anything I do) then check out my sig.  Just started a new one up.

Yeah dude, if mybitcoin.com was offline, then your money just went into outer space, not in NothinG's wallet.

I'll be civil. What time eastern time did you put in (convert if if you need to, just give me a time).

Unfortunately, I can attest to that.  1.4 BTC of mine is now floating in the digital void.  Take it up with mybitcoin if necessary

@Dank: Want to see a real scam? http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=20969.0

I know where my BTC went, straight to your bitcoin wallet.  It is your fault the website went offline, therefor I did not receive the service I payed for, therefor I rightfully deserve a refund.

The website was online at the time of the transaction.  NothinG received my bitcoins.

I'm on the east coast, same time as the server.

Dank, you would not have doubled your Bitcoins even if he could find the transaction. You placed the bitcoins an hour and a half after the game started, and at that point its was practically dead. So the biggest refund you would have gotten would be a weighted percentage of the pot left. which would have been like .02 bitcoins. There was no way you could have gotten the 2 bitcoins even if no errors occurred, so get over it.

- NothinG

Now how did you calculate my refund?

Also (bold) you cannot assume I wouldn't double my Bitcoins because the service was unavailable.  I was only 2-3 places away from being doubled before it went offline.

That's outdated, he should edit it out. Here is what the website faq says (check if you want)

"Twice A Day (Noon & Midnight) (see front page for clock), the game is restarted.
Anyone left unpaid will split what's left of the bank over everyone who has been un-paid (this is weighted by how much you entered in to be doubled) - the 2% fee per person [(1% hosting fee) + (1% game restart) = 2% fee] (to their address)!
This is to keep the game fair, and alive."

How would I have possibly of gotten the money if the site was offline?

Think of it this way..

Lets say the first bet in the game is 5BTC, the next 10 bets are all 1BTC.  Those 10 collected BTC are used to pay out the double of bet #1.

At this point the pot is empty.  Let's assume nobody else plays.  There is no money to be refunded.  It has ALL been paid out to double the original bet.

You misunderstood the refund portion of the game.

Edit: http://blockexplorer.com/address/1LWhSDLPYhKThrNhMGXsVu9DEVxPkbHQpB here is your transaction.  If you notice, it hasn't gone anywhere yet.  If it got to his mybitcoin wallet it would almost certainly at least been partially used in a payout by now.  It's floating in space, and it's mybitcoin's fault... NOT NothinG's fault.

My 2 Cents
NothinG isn't a scammer.
I helped test his code.
Bare with him, he is tuning the code.
The post above about quoting only losing 2% of deposit was voided a couple posts past it.
1.5 hours in you lost anyways.
It sux but I was ready to lose 2 because the server took a few seconds to update longer than expected.
Its not just face value gambling, you should understand the risks involved.
Imagine disconnecting from a 10,000 dollar poker hand on full tilt...it happens.
I dont want to argue I just am pretty positive he is not a SCAMMER as you put it.

EDIT* He and the rest of us game operators are doing a lot more work right now than what we make for it.

Try reading this post again. http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18350.msg262543#msg262543

This time do not miss the "the website went OFFLINE after I put my money in."

It was not outdated at the time of the transaction, the twice of day stuff wasn't even brought up until after the transaction.  It does not matter anyways because the website went down AFTER I PAID so I did not receive the service to have 22 hours to potentially be doubled.

I paid for a full round, did I not?  I was 2-3 places away from being doubled, you have no proof I wouldn't have been doubled if the website did not go offline.
I don't know what else you would call someone who takes your money and intentionally does not provide the service advertised.  Faker?  Hoaxer?  Comedian?  Scammer fits best to me.

I'm done feeding you, troll.
Call me a scammer, don't call me a scammer; I need sleep.

If nothing else, this is definitely reaching one of the top-viewed posts in the forum :P

Troll?  Since when do trolls speak of factual evidence?  You're not only a scammer, you're also a hypocrite, you're ignorant to all the iformation I have compiled, and you know that the bitcoins rightfully belong to me although you let your greed override your sense(lessness) for moral business practice.  Thieves are one of the worst kinds of people and you are no better than a thug stealing someones purse or a common house thief.

Bitcoin community members, please read over the last few pages if you're considering using this game!  NothinG has, in fact, stole my 2 BTC, but please make an informed decision for yourself if you want to give your BTC to someone so unprofessional and irrational that he doesn't acknowledge a single valid point in any of my posts.

Your deposit in to the game is still showing as being untouched by blockexplorer.  Is it possible that it was not at least partially used in a game payout yet?  I guess so... Is it likely?  Not at all.  All game deposits end up in the same mybitcoin wallet.  All payouts are from there as well.  The fact that your 2BTC somehow remains untouched should be enough proof that more likely your transaction never reached its intended destination.

Mybitcoin is most likely at fault.  Your beef is with them.

I'm going to agree with tito. Having done business with NothinG before, I have no reason to doubt his trustworthiness. He passed up multiple opportunities to make off with far more than what you have. Also, large font makes people more convincing.

Please keep sizes reasonable.

It reached NothinG and was added to the list, followed by a 1.3BTC transaction.  My BTC are on row 27 of this spreadsheet:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag7eUBbWmtR4dERnSkUxdVRXbk5fWlRneFlwTVhaUVE&hl=en_US&authkey=CMm1j4YK#gid=0

Based on the uncooperative attitude exemplified by NothinG, I have no reason to doubt he is a scammer and 100% aware of it.  Through his posts, you can tell he had no interest in paying me back and no interest in helping me get my BTC.

So a man does business with you and that suddenly makes him a credible, reputable business man?  I have every reason to doubt his trustworthiness, the fact remains that he has my 2 BTC, regardless of how many successful transactions he may have had.  It does not excuse him from scamming someone of a lesser value.

2 BTC which theoretically could equal $200 in a matter of time.  So yes, I want my 2 BTC.

Proof?  Just because a 2BTC bet was recorded does NOT mean it was YOUR 2 BTC bet.  There is no transaction info on that spreadsheet that was compiled by somebody else.

The simple fact is that the 2BTC that YOU sent has not been touched yet.  NothinG uses 1 online wallet for this game.  It is cleared out at the end of each round.  It would not be possible for your transaction to have just sat there this whole time.

mybitcoin lost your money, NothinG did not steal it.

Once again, and since you like BIG LETTERS

YOUR BEEF IS WITH MYBITCOIN, NOT NOTHING

Ok, so I can advertise stuff for sale, accept the payment, then not deliver the goods/service, claim that there is no PROOF of a payment and walk away happy?  That is what NothinG did, and it just seems a little fucked up to me.  The 2 BTC on that list (row #27) is my payment, the order ID matched mine after I ordered it.  I cannot prove this because NothinG destroyed the proof.  So to clarify, my beef is with NothinG and I will not stop these claims until the 1.98 BTC shows up in my wallet.

NothingG is a legit user who created a game where some people come up and some people lose. Its called gambling people, not guaranteed money. GAMBLING IS A RISK. Anyone who thinks otherwise deserves to get their money taken. Read the rules before you bet. NothingG is a noble and respectable member of this bitcoin community

No the analogy is more like:
You had an ad on Craigslist for a puppy, and I sent in $2 for it but it got lost in the mail because the mailman exploded.


THINK OF THE PUPPIES

http://seldo.com/pictures/Blogged/cutest%20puppy.jpg

Please read the thread.  This has nothing to do with gambling, it is about how everyone was refunded but me and the "legit user" NothinG refuses to even acknowledge the situation let alone fix the situation.


No, it's more like the mailman delivered it but you decided to keep the puppy and the money.

If you're that mad about 2BTC; why not take it up with the moderators?

That semicolon was used improperly.

I'm sorry, let me fix that.
If you are that mad about loosing 2 BTC, then why not take it up with the moderators?

I don't know what part of that sentence gave you the impression I was mad.

Let me pay the world's smallest open-source violin for you. This is some fine entertainment you're providing here. Normally, I'd have to pay at least $5 for stuff this good, so I'll be generous and send you some bitcoins.

This forum is full of people (not everyone) that want an ultra secure cyber commodity but they won't do shit to make sure other members and themselves are protected against threats to the market.  You're a great example.

The currency is secure, as is the transaction history, which is damn near impossible to fake. We've already established that your coin has not been spent by him, showing that the problem is actually with MyBitcoin. Now please take it up with them and stop trolling.

Please tell me you're kidding.  I thought I established this.


Do you get the point?  He received the BTC, everything was golden at first, then the website later went down and I never got a refund.  How on earth can I double my BTC (the objective of this game) if the website is down?

Next game starting in 28 minutes!

Wow, that went fast :O. 14 players in 3 minutes. And i thought i was fast :P.

Go GO GO!

Go GO GO Getcha bet in while the going's still new.  11+ More hours to go so go for it!

I can`t open http://zombietoday.com/bitdouble

Weird. works for me, i just checked. maybe try again? could have just timed out, or try a different browser?

My database froze up (using sqlite) and didn't save some of the entries.
I'm stopping the game and will do spreadsheet for this round.

As soon as I pay this round manually, I will convert it to MySQL.

Very weird, tried on different computers and browsers, maybe problem with provider.

UPD seems its down only for russian users

well he took it down after I posted cause there was problems with the pot count. Look at the post above, it says he's doing them manually this round.  feel free to enter when that gets posted up

are you putting a spreadshit online?

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlxkU5JAzRZrdHBBcWdQc3dnSjMxU2o4c0lrcVZ6S0E&hl=en_US&authkey=CMjty_wM

Is the game still on or what's going on? I think I'm 0.85 away from a double :P

Might as well just put it in yourself at this point.  .85 investment for a 3BTC return is pretty damn good in my book.

Done, hopefully we'll see more payouts when NothinG gets back online.

You might want to make it 1.16 BTC. There's a discrepancy between the spreadsheet and the automated system:
http://zombietoday.com/bitdouble/
https://i.imgur.com/g6g5q.png

If the lines don't cross, something is wrong.

It's just probably an error from Nothing. Bigger problem is the pot showed by the website doesn't match the actual pot, so the payout depends on nothing.

I am truly hoping NothinG modifies the code or otherwise does something soon. If he hasn't done anything to the site, I feel like it's going to kick into automatic mode at midnight and redistribute the pot not according to the rules  :-\

Sheesh, what would give you that idea?  Not disagreeing.

So the system sent out messed up refunds and restarted. I suggest no one place any more bids on the current round or any subsequent ones until Nothing gets this stuff fixed.

No clue when he'll be back among the land of the living. The guy is badly sleep deprived, and busy from what we hear.

Are we going to get either refunds or manual payouts on this screwed-up round, and the previous round? What we got was lower than it should have been. =/

Maybe you should have listened when I said he was a scammer?

You know that a frozen database is not scamming.

I'm not a scammer, I've been asleep.

http://gyazo.com/b9756cce4a2fd4666d37952b1b9f7f7d.png
Just refunded that person.


From the last game, the database ended up paying out those who it shown didn't get paid.
So, I will refund them based on them already getting paid.
I'm subtracting what they got paid already.

What about the round where the double payment occurred? Are we going to see payout on that? Sorry to nag, but two of these rounds should have had payouts that didn't occur. =/

You're not?  Then why do these people get refunds and I don't?  No logic there.

Maybe you shouldn't be accepting people's money if you can't get your shit together and quit giving bullshit excuses that the database fucked up.

Dank, there was an error with your bitcoins. They are gone. Although there have been other problems with site, NothinG has done his best to refund everyone who needed to be. If you had placed a bet on the one he is refunding now, you would have been refunded. Just move on.

Thanks for the refund, but I have been wondering why didn't we get the double back? Also you should check the last rounds, some serious sh*t happened. (The pot showed -4 BTC)

The site was sloppily coded at the time, there's no denying that. The database being screwed up is NOT a bullshit excuse.


The site was using SQLite for the database. SQLite cannot be read & written to at the same time, unlike MySQL. When a rush of people show up, the system may stall.

Says who?  I don't how many times I have to repeat that NothinG received my bitcoins because they were added on the list and the Order ID matched.

Says who?  I don't how many times I have to repeat that NothinG received my bitcoins because they were added on the list and the Order ID matched.

It doesn't matter, you don't take people's money if you don't have a functioning website.  That is his fault and he is taking it out on the customers.  I guess you think that Mt.Gox isn't responsible for their database being hacked into as well?

MyBitcoin is a third party, although we would be interested in seeing a screenshot of your MyBitcoin transaction log to see if it really matches, which helps verify your story.  

And yes, I do blame Mt. Gox for being hacked their security was terrible, using MD5 for password hashes..

Any idea what happened my to my .5 from the midnight game? Transaction 154445. I know it's probably gone, but should I contact Mybitcoin?

What is your point?  I paid for it with my client, it gave me an order ID, I didn't printscreen it because I didn't think this bullshit would happen.  It's not my fault that NothinG deleted it from the website, and I have presented way more proof than he has and he continues to ignore any valid claims supported with evidence.

Hmm, do you know what happened to my 0.5 BTC from the last game (the one with -4 pot)? I sent it to 1MFrD3P13GkEqbhuMUbJnREBgr2683x2PF.

Trying to figure that one out too. There was talk of stuff going into the spreadsheet from the previous round, but that didn't happen. =/

I have the source code for the game and I am working on debugging it and making it work now with a MySQL database.

Hold your horses, all of you.

Status>
I have moved the game to my own personal domain and it seems to be working...I've tried several transfers and they all went through smoothly..


The only thing I have left is to implement the game time itself, so it will start and end at specific times...
And the "housekeeping" part where it distributes the rest of the pot to everyone in the game.



Estimated time till we can beta test the new system: June 24 around 2pm EDT

I will be taking a limited number of people for beta/stress testing tomorrow. PM me if you are interested. We will be working with 0.01 BTC for the tests, so if it does screw up, I will have the funds to refund you.

Once we complete beta testing, I will publicly post the new link and most likely a new topic for the new game.

The new game is ready for testing. I need Beta testers. Please PM me to join.

Dank, give me your btc address and I'll refund you 2.0 BTC.

1DK7WL7N1MDuMoAdoaJCzGDksLuttEBarT

Thanks, I appreciate it.

Let it be known to all the land that Dank has his money back, and NothinG's game is officially over.

I will be releasing my new game just as soon as I confirm that there are no bugs in it. Again, PM me if you want to beta test.

It's the same thing right?

herbertfilby: you not on IRC?

Right now it is the exact same game enhanced with a better database, template, and validation.

One idea someone had was to make it so rather than having the pot be distributed among the remaining players is to make the very LAST person in line inherit the remaining pot once the game ends. I feel like that would be a bit more exciting, and might go with that suggestion. Anyone for or against this idea?

Estimated release will be in approximately 5 hours.

Sounds like a good idea to me, encourages more betting and getting like a .1 return on 3 BTC bet didn't mean much.

The only "problem" I can see with that is that at the very end of a round, we'll see a ton of people rushing to put in a 0.1 bid over and over again to make sure they are the last one's in, but as long as the database can handle it, then we should be alright.

I've enabled it so the last person in line gets the remainder of the pot, instead of distributing it... Now I just have to wait till the end of the round and see if it works :P

So the new round will start at 12?

+1 for last entry incentive.  Could push more payouts too if people are trying to recoup pot on expected loss.  Should be interesting.  If you're taking suggestions: make min/max limits close to each other to promote greater player throughput, or at least cap max entries.  Gives players more predictability, which I believe results in more entries.

Never got any word on what happened to my BTC......

I am debugging paying out the last person in the game. We're looking at a midnight EDT opening. I just want to make damn sure there are no bugs.

The first round will be limited to 0.1 btc, so if anything does screw up, it won't be that bad lol.

Just need to make sure end-game payouts work, and we will be up and running.

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=22279.0

New game can be found here

http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=18350.msg232144#msg232144