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Title: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on March 22, 2017, 07:04:49 AM
This is a case that is confusing.

Most prosecutors and judges in the United States "do favors" for their buddies. It's no secret and is widely accepted. If you have a friend who is a judge or prosecutor you probably don't have to worry about going to jail for anything as long as you can keep it out of the news.

Last week a Pennsylvania prosecutor testified that police should wear body cameras.

https://twitter.com/DASethWilliams/status/841398657786216448

https://twitter.com/DASethWilliams/status/841395415006248960

https://twitter.com/DASethWilliams/status/841397832192032769

Today he was indicted on charges of throwing cases in exchange for cash and gifts.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/DA-Seth-Williams-federal-charges-Philadelphia.html

Was his mistake pushing for body cameras, or was it not being more discreet in shaking down people?

It's not really a big deal for him, he's not likely to go to jail. A few weeks earlier another Pennsylvania DA employee was arrested for stealing more than $100,000, mostly in drug money.
http://www.yourerie.com/news/local-news/ex-employee-of-district-attorneys-office-charged-with-embezzlement/665359931

Bail was set at $50,000, which should be *cough* doable.

In January a Pennsylvania mayor was charged with a lot of crimes, including bribery and theft. His friends were not able to keep his corruption out of the news, since it was so blatant, but they did juggle things to keep him out of jail http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pennsylvania-mayor-idUSKBN1571I4?il=0

Police are most famous, of course, for beating up their wives and committing rapes. It's what they do, even if it doesn't get much press. Every now and then a website will try to cover that issue, like http://behindthebluewall.blogspot.com/ but they always get shut down. Here is another Pennsylvania news item from the day before yesterday. That cop too does not have to worry about jail http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trooper-arrest-2014-shooting-death-pregnant-wife-46204259 but somebody forced the department to at least make a show of pretending to arrest him, until they clear him 'officially'. 


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: ridery99 on March 22, 2017, 07:36:44 AM
Bilderberg members should wear microphone and camera all the time. We would have a very different world then.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on March 22, 2017, 07:57:49 AM
Bilderberg members should wear microphone and camera all the time. We would have a very different world then.

1) The post was not meant to suggest that federal agents should wear bodycams, since things do not go well from a legal perspective for people who try to make federal agents wear bodycams.

https://www2.fbi.gov/facts_and_figures/accountability_compliance.htm note, this page is blocked from bots by the fbi websites robot.txt file, for some reason, unlike other pages on the site

http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/bodycam-of-police-arresting-fbi-agent-who-shot-at-fellow-officer/178347

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/accountability-needed-over-fbi-errors/2015/04/22/0f44bb12-e833-11e4-8581-633c536add4b_story.html

http://bordc.org/news/a-dose-of-accountability-for-the-fbi-protections-for-agency-whistleblowers-pass-senate-judiciary-committee/

https://www.democracynow.org/2013/6/21/the_fbis_license_to_kill_agents

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2002-03-14/news/0203140069_1_special-agent-deadly-force-agent-in-charge

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/arizona/investigations/2014/09/14/border-deaths-agents-transparency-secrecy/15616933/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-urges-bodycams-for-local-police-but-nixes-them-on-federal-teams-1447276258

https://www.forbes.com/sites/matthewfeeney2/2015/12/03/the-federal-government-must-do-better-on-body-cams/#657bbd66147e

2) Also important to remember that there are police in most areas who are honest and simply try to do their job well. Those honest cops realize that in America policing is not a dangerous job, it is less hazardous than truck driving, but it is well paid and comes with a lot of freebies. It is not a heroes job, they are given money to do an honest job and would not be doing it except that they are paid. Honest cops admit this and try to do their job well.

3) Wtf Bilderburg has to do with this I don't know.









Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: bra4our on March 22, 2017, 05:44:04 PM
I think everyone who gets paid by the taxes of the common people need to be accountable and therefore wear body cameras. Some federal agents and police think they are above the law and things with impunity against the very civilians that they are sworn to protect. Putting on body-cams during work times will ensure some accountability on their path.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: BADecker on March 22, 2017, 08:11:30 PM
We have our privacy. We like our privacy. We even feel a little embarrassed when our private things are revealed to the world. However, is there ever a time when we might want our private things revealed to the world?

If we all wore body cams for our own protection, then we could show the stuff police turn their body cams off about when they are attacking us.

Supposed we have a verifiable body cam of ourselves working in our home office. A murder is committed down the street. Somehow we become suspect. Our personal body cam verifies where and what we were doing at the time of the murder.

Now, we don't have to have the thing turned on all the time. I mean, it doesn't have to record every time we take a shower or make love. In fact, we would want to keep those things private. But if we DID record them, but encrypted the record with unbreakable PGP, they could stay private unless something happened that we needed to decrypt them and make them public record.

So, who needs body cams and other cams, like on drones while we are out walking? We all do, for our own legal protection.

8)


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on March 22, 2017, 08:52:19 PM
We have our privacy. We like our privacy. We even feel a little embarrassed when our private things are revealed to the world. However, is there ever a time when we might want our private things revealed to the world?

If we all wore body cams for our own protection, then we could show the stuff police turn their body cams off about when they are attacking us.

Supposed we have a verifiable body cam of ourselves working in our home office. A murder is committed down the street. Somehow we become suspect. Our personal body cam verifies where and what we were doing at the time of the murder.

Now, we don't have to have the thing turned on all the time. I mean, it doesn't have to record every time we take a shower or make love. In fact, we would want to keep those things private. But if we DID record them, but encrypted the record with unbreakable PGP, they could stay private unless something happened that we needed to decrypt them and make them public record.

So, who needs body cams and other cams, like on drones while we are out walking? We all do, for our own legal protection.

8)

A person's life should not be spent trying to protect him or her self from attack by police. It would drain any productivity from society.

Anyway, the issue is more whether we have the right to force police to obey the law while they are working.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: Spendulus on March 22, 2017, 09:07:47 PM
Strippers and whores should wear body cameras.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: Lieldoryn on March 22, 2017, 10:18:49 PM
Strippers and whores should wear body cameras.
Why do you need the cameras on them? The camera will shoot only their customers. In addition, the image quality of these cameras is terrible. No it's better to wear them by the police. It will not allow the cops to violate our rights.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: RJX on March 23, 2017, 06:29:24 PM

Police are most famous, of course, for beating up their wives and committing rapes. It's what they do, even if it doesn't get much press.


If that is the case than I'd like to suggest to equip the policemens wives with body cameras.

This way they will maybe get less beatings.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: Barbarian on March 23, 2017, 10:30:34 PM
I think everyone who gets paid by the taxes of the common people need to be accountable and therefore wear body cameras. Some federal agents and police think they are above the law and things with impunity against the very civilians that they are sworn to protect. Putting on body-cams during work times will ensure some accountability on their path.
But that will not be a cost effective solution, I think just a part of the public servants should wear body cameras since it will be a waste otherwise.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: Tyrantt on March 24, 2017, 12:44:32 AM
This topic is only for people from US and police officers from US. Police forces in western EU are fighting immigrant at the moment and that's in the middle of a town square and police officers in Serbia don't really care anymore and aren't beating people around.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: Mr.Pro on March 24, 2017, 02:16:54 AM
Porno actors should wear body cameras. It is a must and must be enforced.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: SirPol85 on March 24, 2017, 04:29:56 AM
Porno actors should wear body cameras. It is a must and must be enforced.
I probably did not fully understand the question regarding the body and the photo cameras. Why should they be worn at all? Why should actors do this outside their workplace? On yutub already enough abnormal, which daily crumble themselves.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on March 24, 2017, 05:01:14 AM
... I'd like to suggest to equip the policemens wives with body cameras.



Would you really want to force somebody to watch things from that view?

Here are a bunch of Orlando Florida cops on suspension http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-orlando-police-officers-suspended-20170126-story.html

"In December, an investigation into Burgos started after a criminal allegation surfaced. Mina and a spokeswoman for FDLE declined to say what that allegation was against the 17-year veteran who makes more than $36 an hour. He was a detective in the assault and battery unit."

assault and battery unit

Today we get the details https://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorgantopoulos/a-florida-police-officer-accused-of-forcing-a-woman-to?utm_term=.xsQAZ7owY

If just those 6 Orlando cops had worn body cameras the money saved on investigating them would have funded bodycams for all the police in Florida.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: RJX on March 24, 2017, 08:33:59 AM
... I'd like to suggest to equip the policemens wives with body cameras.



Would you really want to force somebody to watch things from that view?



Well I made this suggestion expecting a certain level of prevention to policemens wives receiving less beatings.

I'm not forcing anyone, if worse comes to worse theres always someone that needs to watch the material.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: TANTOR on March 24, 2017, 10:38:54 AM
I agree. They should wear body cameras connected to web every moment they are on the job, so every people can see what official or state employee is doing in his working time


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: Xester on March 24, 2017, 10:47:07 AM
This is a case that is confusing.

Most prosecutors and judges in the United States "do favors" for their buddies. It's no secret and is widely accepted. If you have a friend who is a judge or prosecutor you probably don't have to worry about going to jail for anything as long as you can keep it out of the news.

Last week a Pennsylvania prosecutor testified that police should wear body cameras.

https://twitter.com/DASethWilliams/status/841398657786216448

https://twitter.com/DASethWilliams/status/841395415006248960

https://twitter.com/DASethWilliams/status/841397832192032769

Today he was indicted on charges of throwing cases in exchange for cash and gifts.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/DA-Seth-Williams-federal-charges-Philadelphia.html

Was his mistake pushing for body cameras, or was it not being more discreet in shaking down people?

It's not really a big deal for him, he's not likely to go to jail. A few weeks earlier another Pennsylvania DA employee was arrested for stealing more than $100,000, mostly in drug money.
http://www.yourerie.com/news/local-news/ex-employee-of-district-attorneys-office-charged-with-embezzlement/665359931

Bail was set at $50,000, which should be *cough* doable.

In January a Pennsylvania mayor was charged with a lot of crimes, including bribery and theft. His friends were not able to keep his corruption out of the news, since it was so blatant, but they did juggle things to keep him out of jail http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pennsylvania-mayor-idUSKBN1571I4?il=0

Police are most famous, of course, for beating up their wives and committing rapes. It's what they do, even if it doesn't get much press. Every now and then a website will try to cover that issue, like http://behindthebluewall.blogspot.com/ but they always get shut down. Here is another Pennsylvania news item from the day before yesterday. That cop too does not have to worry about jail http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/trooper-arrest-2014-shooting-death-pregnant-wife-46204259 but somebody forced the department to at least make a show of pretending to arrest him, until they clear him 'officially'. 

To avoid bribery, corruption and police brutality cops should wear body cameras. It will prevent them from doing illicit crimes and will help them also. In the Philippines traffic police wears body camera to prevent cops from accepting bribes from traffic violators and also protect them from violent pedestrians and drivers. Body cameras should be worn by all government employees and official so the will not be tempted to do illegal acts in the line of duty.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: Sex Video Chat VKcams.com on March 24, 2017, 02:49:09 PM
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Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: J Gambler on March 24, 2017, 02:55:19 PM
Police and other man who are working to sacrifice their selve to serve others body cam can also help people to solved problem who are telling the truth technology are amazing nowadays where people had those expensive gadgets to use everyday. Wearing body cam that can access easily on web to monitor what happening on their daily duties.


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: BADecker on March 24, 2017, 04:26:46 PM
We have our privacy. We like our privacy. We even feel a little embarrassed when our private things are revealed to the world. However, is there ever a time when we might want our private things revealed to the world?

If we all wore body cams for our own protection, then we could show the stuff police turn their body cams off about when they are attacking us.

Supposed we have a verifiable body cam of ourselves working in our home office. A murder is committed down the street. Somehow we become suspect. Our personal body cam verifies where and what we were doing at the time of the murder.

Now, we don't have to have the thing turned on all the time. I mean, it doesn't have to record every time we take a shower or make love. In fact, we would want to keep those things private. But if we DID record them, but encrypted the record with unbreakable PGP, they could stay private unless something happened that we needed to decrypt them and make them public record.

So, who needs body cams and other cams, like on drones while we are out walking? We all do, for our own legal protection.

8)

A person's life should not be spent trying to protect him or her self from attack by police. It would drain any productivity from society.

Anyway, the issue is more whether we have the right to force police to obey the law while they are working.

Yes, but it is not a perfect world we live in. However, nobody requires average citizens to wear body cams. They are smart if they do it the way I outlined.

8)


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: PeterTheGrape on March 24, 2017, 05:18:22 PM
...

Yes, but it is not a perfect world we live in. However, nobody requires average citizens to wear body cams. They are smart if they do it the way I outlined.

8)

There are two sides to "surveillance".

1) If everybody is always 'surveilled' then 'crimes' are controlled, because there are no secrets.

but

2) Surveillance stifles individuality. It leads to obedience but prevents growth. It stops the bad but also stops the good.

So there has to be some middle ground. The wisest person would say "no artificial surveillance ever, let people learn through senses", but most people want technology to give the greater society an immediate edge. When you force 'police' to wear bodycams you are also forcing regular citizens at some point in the future to wear them, in other words causing a lifeless society of obedient rats. Police do commit crimes at a higher rate than the general public, but they are also a subset of the public. 


Title: Re: Who should wear body cameras?
Post by: NyeFee on March 24, 2017, 05:38:06 PM
Police and other man who are working to sacrifice their selve to serve others body cam can also help people to solved problem who are telling the truth technology are amazing nowadays where people had those expensive gadgets to use everyday. Wearing body cam that can access easily on web to monitor what happening on their daily duties.
If we talk about what opportunities give the use of webcams, it becomes clear that this is largely due to making life safer. If there is an opportunity to control people, it means that they control the criminals.