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Title: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Boseda on March 23, 2017, 07:48:42 AM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these?
I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: dinofelis on March 23, 2017, 07:55:41 AM Please, Jesus, give us a sign ! ;D
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: n0ne on March 23, 2017, 08:02:48 AM As none is clear about his identity, someone will state them as Satoshi and give opinion about it. This is not the fair way, Satoshi himself have given as the innovation without any of his interruption. As the identity is not clear recently Craig claimed that he is Satoshi and has applied for patent for blockchain technology in several sectors. I think even if real satoshi comes we cannot do anything as everything is happening with technology.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Vlad2Vlad on March 23, 2017, 08:30:42 AM Satoshi Says: I think it is terrible - it means that they have learnt nothing. They will blindly follow authority, not facts... how is that good. Please do tell them that. If they choose to follow rhetoric and lies and not check the truth, then I want to have nothing to do with them. I will compete. I will see if my way, brutal economic competition or my opposition, "fairness" wins in the end. " The longest chain not only serves as proof of the sequence of events witnessed, but proof that it came from the largest pool of CPU power. " Not One Man, but one CPU - one Vote! Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: lottery248 on March 23, 2017, 09:04:38 AM simple. Satoshi itself is anonymous in fact so far, nobody is able to reveal who exactly is. and for the bitcoin updates, is probably from the contributors. as you know, the founder Satoshi used to be here to moderate this forum, yet he banned himself for the reason we won't know (maybe he wants to hide himself from his/her identity?). plus, even if you have bitcoin, hard fork is not really gonna infect your wallet unless you have put your funds into the non-wallet sites; hard fork is not meant to destruct the blockchain, so satoshi is unlikely to trespass announce / investigate.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: FasTroy on March 23, 2017, 11:57:58 AM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? If satoshi is alive,he may not be quietly watching the situations happening around bitcoins.He may have revealed him out or would have expressed his opinion.I think he is no more.R.I.P.May peace be on his soul for gifting us such a wonderful Bitcoin.I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Xester on March 23, 2017, 12:01:34 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... There are some programmers who have commented on this forum telling the community that Satoshi had actually programmed bitcoin blocks to increase but it was not followed and miners had followed other ways to increase blocksize. I am not sure if that post was legit but if that was true then probably satoshi was just watching from the corner and is selling his bitcoins one at a time. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: paul gatt on March 23, 2017, 12:32:58 PM Allow me to call Nakamoto Satoshi him, because we all do not know him well, he can be anyone, maybe a person, a group or an organization. He creates bitcoins for trading purposes, so it's not his own money, so he can not make any decisions as he can not get it. The things we know about him are our respect. A great man And with the number of people wanting BTU at the moment, I think he can not do anything else, everything comes from people. The decision does not belong to him. But I think his opinion will tell us what is the right direction, and we can choose easily.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: gilangIDR on March 23, 2017, 12:39:32 PM he is the one who allows us to use bitcoin today. the father of digital currency. everything is as it is now because of him.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Yanisumin on March 23, 2017, 01:15:46 PM The big question mark "?"
Who is Satoshi Nakamoto, why did he just disappeared and vanished without a trace? Of course everyone is wondering why, and who is that guy. He's like a legend, a fictional character, a hero, a myth. Groups of programmers, an individual programmer, groups or organizations, there are many speculation in who really is SAT. In these vast changes in the past 6 years, theres so many changes that happened in Cryptocurrency world. And the guy who started this all is needed because he's personal opinion is important. Important? Why? Because people think that when it comes to these things he is all knowing, but in truth whats happening in today's era is out of his hand. Is he dead? We don't know if it's a group or association, it would take a lot of effort to erase the existence of a group of people. If he is an individual maybe people that work on him or his partner or hes co worker got jealous and killed him. Maybe a government association or underworld association killed him. No one knows and nobody can give an answer. What we have right now is a name and a legend. We're the one who's going to fight for this battle ( Bitcoin ). Don't depend on someone whos not here anymore. As president Lincoln said: Plant your feet and stand firm, the only question is where to stand your feet. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: European Central Bank on March 23, 2017, 01:31:44 PM even if satoshi came back and enough people believed he was who he claimed to be he'd on a hiding to nothing taking any type of position. the whole scene has moved on without him and he's best left as a respected memory.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: manselr on March 23, 2017, 01:39:17 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... Satoshi already said he didn't want his software forked: A second version would be a massive development and maintenance hassle for me. It's hard enough maintaining backward compatibility while upgrading the network without a second version locking things in. If the second version screwed up, the user experience would reflect badly on both, although it would at least reinforce to users the importance of staying with the official version. If someone was getting ready to fork a second version, I would have to air a lot of disclaimers about the risks of using a minority version. This is a design where the majority version wins if there's any disagreement, and that can be pretty ugly for the minority version and I'd rather not go into it, and I don't have to as long as there's only one version. I know, most developers don't like their software forked, but I have real technical reasons in this case. The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime. Because of that, I wanted to design it to support every possible transaction type I could think of. The problem was, each thing required special support code and data fields whether it was used or not, and only covered one special case at a time. It would have been an explosion of special cases. The solution was script, which generalizes the problem so transacting parties can describe their transaction as a predicate that the node network evaluates. The nodes only need to understand the transaction to the extent of evaluating whether the sender's conditions are met. The script is actually a predicate. It's just an equation that evaluates to true or false. Predicate is a long and unfamiliar word so I called it script. The receiver of a payment does a template match on the script. Currently, receivers only accept two templates: direct payment and bitcoin address. Future versions can add templates for more transaction types and nodes running that version or higher will be able to receive them. All versions of nodes in the network can verify and process any new transactions into blocks, even though they may not know how to read them. The design supports a tremendous variety of possible transaction types that I designed years ago. Escrow transactions, bonded contracts, third party arbitration, multi-party signature, etc. If Bitcoin catches on in a big way, these are things we'll want to explore in the future, but they all had to be designed at the beginning to make sure they would be possible later. I don't believe a second, compatible implementation of Bitcoin will ever be a good idea. So much of the design depends on all nodes getting exactly identical results in lockstep that a second implementation would be a menace to the network. The MIT license is compatible with all other licenses and commercial uses, so there is no need to rewrite it from a licensing standpoint. BU = menace to the network. So yeah there you have it. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Jeremycoin on March 23, 2017, 01:57:08 PM Why do you think he hasn't given any opinion? Of course he has, you just don't know. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: jakelyson on March 23, 2017, 02:04:53 PM Satoshi already left us with something beautiful and thriving. It is on us now if we choose to let it grow or let it die. BU or Segwit, hard or soft fork, it is for us to decide. Satoshi has already done enough and we should just let him be.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: acroman08 on March 23, 2017, 02:07:16 PM Why do you think he hasn't given any opinion? Of course he has, you just don't know. What the OP wants is to see satoshi saying something about the hard-fork and him saying what he thinks about the idea of forking his software but as the comment above you satoshi already said in the early days of this forum that forking his software will be a menace to the network(see comment above you). Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Bibite on March 23, 2017, 02:25:23 PM he is the one who allows us to use bitcoin today. the father of digital currency. everything is as it is now because of him. Did you know the CIA debated about using a crypto currency since 1996, there is a long email you can find online, certified to be from the CIA. You can read in tthis long letter how and why it would usefull to have a crypto currency, to take control (over the population i guess). So not really sure if we can Satosh is the father of the cryptocurrency. Or maybe he is a cover for the CIA ? you never know really this days.. He may be the creator but no the father i think. As well i am pretty sure cryptographers have think about a crypto money far before him Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: jeraldskie11 on March 23, 2017, 02:39:55 PM We really don't know who is satoshi. He is anonymous and we doesn't know if he is only a person or a group. He know that he will be successful on Bitcoin that he did so there is no need to ask why and that's why satoshi not posting on social media. Satoshi is very smart, he hide his identity because he know it make himself to danger.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: danherbias07 on March 23, 2017, 02:47:04 PM What a coincidence!
Funny, a friend of mine and I talked about this just yesterday. If only Satoshi will come out then this freaking BS show will be over. Who else wants to compete to bitcoin. Of course everyone wants to be the genius just like him. All are thriving to be at his level but just cant. Every full support bitcoin user will just think this is just another thing and will pass in some week or worse days. Everyone wants that money in their hands. I mean c'mon! that is a thousand doll hairs per bitcoin. ;D Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Janation on March 23, 2017, 02:52:35 PM Bitcoin is a really popular and there are lot of problems that made the bitcoin stronger and more popular, still no Satoshi Nakamoto appeared. I think he is now just enjoying the fact that everyone is using his digital currency, I think he still cares about his digital currency, we just dont know that for sure, but I think, he is just there.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: K128kevin2 on March 23, 2017, 02:56:01 PM Satoshi isn't relevant anymore, he hasn't been around for years.
No disrespect to Satoshi but times change and we should look to the future instead of dwelling on what has been said in the past. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: CraigWrightBTC on March 23, 2017, 02:57:08 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? Satoshi Nakamoto was disappear from activity related bitcoin I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... so the future of bitcoin is depend on us as comunity of bitcoin, all of us has responsibility about bitcoin and what will makes more better for bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto had finished his Jobs as founder of digital currency in internet. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: megynacuna on March 23, 2017, 02:59:52 PM I don't think his appearance or input will do much to the current situations we are facing as the politicians and those politicking with the choice of solution will play around his stance and we will not get anywhere like they are doing. Even if he drops a voice audio they'd compel him to reveal more of himself by denying he's truly satoshi, so I think he should keep to his corner and let them do the politics, it will serve him better.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: michkima on March 23, 2017, 03:56:35 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... Satoshi already said he didn't want his software forked: A second version would be a massive development and maintenance hassle for me. It's hard enough maintaining backward compatibility while upgrading the network without a second version locking things in. If the second version screwed up, the user experience would reflect badly on both, although it would at least reinforce to users the importance of staying with the official version. If someone was getting ready to fork a second version, I would have to air a lot of disclaimers about the risks of using a minority version. This is a design where the majority version wins if there's any disagreement, and that can be pretty ugly for the minority version and I'd rather not go into it, and I don't have to as long as there's only one version. I know, most developers don't like their software forked, but I have real technical reasons in this case. The nature of Bitcoin is such that once version 0.1 was released, the core design was set in stone for the rest of its lifetime. Because of that, I wanted to design it to support every possible transaction type I could think of. The problem was, each thing required special support code and data fields whether it was used or not, and only covered one special case at a time. It would have been an explosion of special cases. The solution was script, which generalizes the problem so transacting parties can describe their transaction as a predicate that the node network evaluates. The nodes only need to understand the transaction to the extent of evaluating whether the sender's conditions are met. The script is actually a predicate. It's just an equation that evaluates to true or false. Predicate is a long and unfamiliar word so I called it script. The receiver of a payment does a template match on the script. Currently, receivers only accept two templates: direct payment and bitcoin address. Future versions can add templates for more transaction types and nodes running that version or higher will be able to receive them. All versions of nodes in the network can verify and process any new transactions into blocks, even though they may not know how to read them. The design supports a tremendous variety of possible transaction types that I designed years ago. Escrow transactions, bonded contracts, third party arbitration, multi-party signature, etc. If Bitcoin catches on in a big way, these are things we'll want to explore in the future, but they all had to be designed at the beginning to make sure they would be possible later. I don't believe a second, compatible implementation of Bitcoin will ever be a good idea. So much of the design depends on all nodes getting exactly identical results in lockstep that a second implementation would be a menace to the network. The MIT license is compatible with all other licenses and commercial uses, so there is no need to rewrite it from a licensing standpoint. BU = menace to the network. So yeah there you have it. This is your answer right here! Satoshi really did oppose this idea long before it was realized like how it is today. However, I really feel that maybe satoshi will have a different opinion now compared to what he had before when he posted all these. At the time he expressed his opinion it was a very different time back then compared to today. In those times bitcoin transactions didn't come as many as today and the size of the transactions weren't the same as well. Also, fees were quite different too. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: AliceWonderMiscreations on March 23, 2017, 04:04:51 PM Satoshi may have opposed forks but that doesn't reflect what his opinion on block size would be - where there is clear indication he wanted it to grow. Namely posts he made right here on this very forum.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: ImHash on March 23, 2017, 04:24:19 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... There are some programmers who have commented on this forum telling the community that Satoshi had actually programmed bitcoin blocks to increase but it was not followed and miners had followed other ways to increase blocksize. I am not sure if that post was legit but if that was true then probably satoshi was just watching from the corner and is selling his bitcoins one at a time. P.s, none of his coins ever been spent dude one at a time lol. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: peter0425 on March 23, 2017, 04:33:35 PM Satoshi already left us with something beautiful and thriving. It is on us now if we choose to let it grow or let it die. BU or Segwit, hard or soft fork, it is for us to decide. Satoshi has already done enough and we should just let him be. You got the point mate. Satoshi already started it, its for us to decide what the future would be for bitcoin. If he is alive, he wouldn't comment on anything. He will just another observant or follower from the outside who will just sit watching the disagreement and just shaking his head. He already gave us a gift, we should not let bitcoin or his effort went out for nothing. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Laje on March 23, 2017, 04:34:45 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... Hi! :) Well, Satoshi wrote: Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System A purely peer-to-peer version of electronic cash would allow online payments to be sent directly from one party to another without going through a financial institution. Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System (https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf) My opinion: Technical Arguments: He wrote all the process in his documents and developers understood it. Philosophy/Social: People can understand what they want, but if a lot of people want to understand like a "modus vivendi" it's only an option. I think this option includes the following questions: His identity is not important because what part of a "Peer-to-peer" you didn’t understand? What part of a "decentralized" you didn’t understand? In my opinion I think the worst thing that could be happen is that BU is only a possible prelude of a "private network" and a prelude of a way for patents registered. I am studying about that, It’s only an idea that fly around me and only an opinion without arguments yet. I think Satoshi is only an abstract or physical node in the network now. It will be cool read him if he is alive or active. I can understand you if you are a developer and need a leader for the way of the project… but like a live philosophy, we can live without Satoshi although clapping his contribuition. Not worry about Satoshi, If he wants to say something, he will do. Like all of us. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: AliceWonderMiscreations on March 23, 2017, 05:03:42 PM In my opinion I think the worst thing that could be happen is that BU is only a possible prelude of a "private network" and a prelude of a way for patents registered. Not sure how BU could be a prelude for patents registered since prior art clearly exists. However Blockstream has not only filed for numerous patents but has the financial backing of companies that expect to profit from those patents. It is the second-layer networks that are the prelude to the bitcoin patent wars. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Ayers on March 23, 2017, 05:16:15 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... i think satoshi went away because he don't want a central figure for bitcoin, he want bitcoin to be decentralized, other say that he is dead, i don't know which is true, but we don't need satoshi to decide, because bitcoin is based on consensus mechanic, and the most important are miners and buyers which make the value of bitcoin Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: piloder on March 23, 2017, 05:22:10 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? -> Satoshi will never come online because that may lead to chaos on bitcoin market.I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... -> Miners and node operator's voice are more important than satoshi's at current situation. -> I don't think he have left bitcoin because he don't care about his most innovative product, there is high chance that he have already died. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Erichallig on March 23, 2017, 05:23:22 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? -> Satoshi will never come online because that may lead to chaos on bitcoin market.I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... -> Miners and node operator's voice are more important than satoshi's at current situation. -> I don't think he have left bitcoin because he don't care about his most innovative product, there is high chance that he have already died. satoshi is very much alive. he is now a president ha! Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: The Crypto Baron on March 23, 2017, 06:03:28 PM Satoshi died
RIP Satoshi Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: jonald_fyookball on March 23, 2017, 06:08:07 PM Satoshi quotes supporting big blocks and miners deciding on blocksize:
Quote If the network were to get that big, it would take several years, and by then, sending 2 HD movies over the Internet would probably not seem like a big deal. Quote In a few decades when the reward gets too small, the transaction fee will become the main compensation for nodes. I'm sure that in 20 years there will either be very large transaction volume or no volume. Quote It can be phased in, like: if (blocknumber > 115000) maxblocksize = largerlimit Quote They vote with their CPU power, expressing their acceptance of valid blocks by working on extending them and rejecting invalid blocks by refusing to work on them. Any needed rules and incentives can be enforced with this consensus mechanism Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: skorupi17 on March 23, 2017, 06:38:45 PM I think Satoshi would like us to decide for ourselves, he has done his part by giving Bitcoin to us. Since we benefit so much from bitcoin, we should nurture and make bitcoin better. We cannot control the thoughts of other people regarding bitcoin, we just have our own POV about the welfare of bitcoin.
If for instance that Satoshi give his thoughts about bitcoin today, don't you think that this will affect everything? If Satoshi supports hard fork, then a majority of bitcoin user might support hard fork,too. And if this happens, decentralization image of bitcoin may be somewhat be breached. Others may think that Satoshi controls bitcoin. Well these are all big IFs. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Marma Kalari on March 23, 2017, 06:43:48 PM Allow me to call Nakamoto Satoshi him, because we all do not know him well, he can be anyone, maybe a person, a group or an organization. He creates bitcoins for trading purposes, so it's not his own money, so he can not make any decisions as he can not get it. The things we know about him are our respect. A great man And with the number of people wanting BTU at the moment, I think he can not do anything else, everything comes from people. The decision does not belong to him. But I think his opinion will tell us what is the right direction, and we can choose easily. No one is expecting him to come and reveal his identity,but if he is to come up with a sign in message and reveal what his opinion is regarding the fork will have some weight age than the rest of the opinion. He does have the authority because the man behind the technology single handily wrote the entire code and he does have a solution for the current issue because he is a visionary and he might have anticipated this situation and i am sure he will have a answer for that.Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: mrcash02 on March 23, 2017, 06:51:46 PM Satoshi Says: I think it is terrible - it means that they have learnt nothing. They will blindly follow authority, not facts... how is that good. Please do tell them that. If they choose to follow rhetoric and lies and not check the truth, then I want to have nothing to do with them. I will compete. I will see if my way, brutal economic competition or my opposition, "fairness" wins in the end. " The longest chain not only serves as proof of the sequence of events witnessed, but proof that it came from the largest pool of CPU power. " Not One Man, but one CPU - one Vote! How do you know he said this if he is an anonymous person? How to know exactly if these words are legit? Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: LittleBitFunny on March 23, 2017, 07:01:51 PM Why do you think he hasn't given any opinion? Of course he has, you just don't know. Satoshi has basically vanished - it could be because he's busy living his wildest dreams with his thousands of Bitcoin, it could be because he's worried about revealing anything about himself from the fear of getting his identity discovered or it could even be because he's working on new projects. All people can do is meaninglessly speculate about what Satoshi might have thought or what he said about things in the past that he might not still believe today. The problem with the OP's post though is that Satoshi is not a mystical god-like figure who can just decide where Bitcoin goes. There is legitimate opinion on either side and if Satoshi said for example that he supported Core, any BU supporters could continue arguing as they do with any other Core supporter and there would be no reason why Satoshi's view is entirely superior. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: cjmoles on March 23, 2017, 07:03:37 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... This is what I think: if Satoshi set this whole project up for academic reasons and he wasn't motivated by financial rewards, then he would gain more by not interfering. It seems as though financial reward isn't what motivated Satoshi because none of his coin have been exchanged. So, Sathoshi is just lying back and objectively watching how the experiment develops for academic gain as opposed to financial reward. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: mr.mister on March 23, 2017, 07:14:37 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... The reality is that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Satoshi is dead. Logic dictates that the reason why Satoshi won't give his opinion on current Bitcoin affairs is, because there is no way of him doing so credibly and remaining anonymous, which was his original intention. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: AliceWonderMiscreations on March 23, 2017, 07:26:51 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? -> Satoshi will never come online because that may lead to chaos on bitcoin market.I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... Yeah, his "worth" in Bitcoin is substantial but if any UTXOs we know are his hit the market, there will be panic and dumping. Must be frustrating to have substantial value that does not exist because if you spent even a little, it's worth is gone. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: electronicash on March 23, 2017, 07:53:56 PM satoshi would say no to BU. he knows more than anyone else, he knows this will happen later which is why he already expresses his opinion back then. but for the profit that these exchanges are ready to grab, they did split it on their own to which you now can buy BU. so all you guys who wants to buy cheap and honestly waiting for BTC to dip down to a hundred, go buy BU now on exchanges, save it. its yours! Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: citywise2 on March 23, 2017, 08:16:29 PM I think nobody can be identifiy who satoshi is or his origin.
Satoshi is a new kind of currency but it is used as ecurrency and it is been used in online transactions. As we all know that the satoshi sounds like Japanis. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Laje on March 23, 2017, 09:30:32 PM In my opinion I think the worst thing that could be happen is that BU is only a possible prelude of a "private network" and a prelude of a way for patents registered. Not sure how BU could be a prelude for patents registered since prior art clearly exists. However Blockstream has not only filed for numerous patents but has the financial backing of companies that expect to profit from those patents. It is the second-layer networks that are the prelude to the bitcoin patent wars. Totally agree. Now, mode exaggerated speculator "on": · First step is to know how people and developers react when they have several and important choices (BU is an example). · Second step is how the new network is accepted. · Third step is the adoption of the new coin (or data) to transfer (reduce or cancel bitcoin use gradually). One of the most important social question is: Why do I use Bitcoin and bitcoin? One of the most important corporate question is: How can we introduce our blockchain? Do you imagine the new private blockchain (maybe windowschain ;D) integrated in all pc's because private companies have private contracts with private softwares? Back to the Future IV: "Windows15 with windoswchain, transfer your annual taxes directly with a "little fee". WindowsCore integrated." But it's only a terrible/sketch idea that i need to study and know more about bitcoin community and how blockchain is used by people. :) Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: sportis on March 23, 2017, 11:17:24 PM I think it’s reasonable to ask why every time as community we face any problem big or small regarding the bitcoin some people they want the appearance of bitcoin creator/s. If we can not manage to find a solution either good or bad then we probably are not worthy to use cryptocurrencies; that is, to be free and could be better turn back to fiat and let the banks to decide for our own future. Freedom means not only rights but responsibilities too.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Snorek on March 23, 2017, 11:56:58 PM satoshi would say no to BU. he knows more than anyone else, he knows this will happen later which is why he already expresses his opinion back then. but for the profit that these exchanges are ready to grab, they did split it on their own to which you now can buy BU. so all you guys who wants to buy cheap and honestly waiting for BTC to dip down to a hundred, go buy BU now on exchanges, save it. its yours! What is almost certain at this point that even if Satoshi would reveal himself and voice his opinion, current war camps - SegWit and Core wouldn't listen to him. The fact that we have no higher authority to appeal to might be a positive too. After all Satoshi wouldn't be around forever anyway to fix our problems. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Gotottack on March 23, 2017, 11:59:15 PM I think it’s reasonable to ask why every time as community we face any problem big or small regarding the bitcoin some people they want the appearance of bitcoin creator/s. If we can not manage to find a solution either good or bad then we probably are not worthy to use cryptocurrencies; that is, to be free and could be better turn back to fiat and let the banks to decide for our own future. Freedom means not only rights but responsibilities too. It's really similar to how people react in real life. People tend to cling into some all mighty being or their creator and they ask for guidance. That is human nature. I am not sure why people still do this in the online world. Satoshi is not a god and he left for a reason. Ultimately, he does not want to involve himself with this anymore or he's probably even dead. The fact of the matter is, we all have to move on without him. He created this, no doubt it was one of the most innovative idea every created. But similar to the lightbulb, we don't need Thomas Edison to decide on what to do with a lightbulb. It is what it is right now and we do what we can to improve it. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: shamzblueworld on March 24, 2017, 05:05:50 AM But the point is, if someone stands up and says he is Satoshi, would everyone believe? I really doubt. People will start imagining and creating theories and bitcoin could actually be put off by all the hype at the wrong end.
So I guess, it could be better if Satoshi remains wherever he is and however he is. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: pearlmen on March 24, 2017, 01:02:15 PM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... The issue is do we even know who Satoshi is and if he has already been voicing his opinion and because nobody knows, nobody took him serious I am sure if came back and use his username even on the forum to comment to issues relating to BU, Segwit or Hard forks, quite a number of people will still suggest that the account was hacked so it really does not matter whether he voice his opinion what will happen will happen. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: monsanto on March 24, 2017, 02:29:19 PM satoshi would say no to BU. he knows more than anyone else, he knows this will happen later which is why he already expresses his opinion back then. but for the profit that these exchanges are ready to grab, they did split it on their own to which you now can buy BU. so all you guys who wants to buy cheap and honestly waiting for BTC to dip down to a hundred, go buy BU now on exchanges, save it. its yours! What is almost certain at this point that even if Satoshi would reveal himself and voice his opinion, current war camps - SegWit and Core wouldn't listen to him. The fact that we have no higher authority to appeal to might be a positive too. After all Satoshi wouldn't be around forever anyway to fix our problems. If he threatened to dump his 1 million btc they'd listen. Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... The reality is that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that Satoshi is dead. Logic dictates that the reason why Satoshi won't give his opinion on current Bitcoin affairs is, because there is no way of him doing so credibly and remaining anonymous, which was his original intention. Why can't he just sign with his key to prove his identity? Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: iram3130 on March 24, 2017, 04:04:20 PM Bitcoin is a really popular and there are lot of problems that made the bitcoin stronger and more popular, still no Satoshi Nakamoto appeared. I think he is now just enjoying the fact that everyone is using his digital currency, I think he still cares about his digital currency, we just dont know that for sure, but I think, he is just there. I too feel the same about Satoshi, but there is a part in everyone's heart which feels to hear his thoughts about everything which is going on and the difficulties we are going through.. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: carriebee on March 24, 2017, 05:19:03 PM Nowadays bitcoin is being popular though, as we thought Satoshi doesnt care all about the news about bitcoin. But I think, he still want to maintain his anonymous stands to all. I think he wants to kepl his identity that no one will know about him.
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: Newmine on March 24, 2017, 06:24:02 PM Bitcoin is a really popular and there are lot of problems that made the bitcoin stronger and more popular, still no Satoshi Nakamoto appeared. I think he is now just enjoying the fact that everyone is using his digital currency, I think he still cares about his digital currency, we just dont know that for sure, but I think, he is just there. By "everyone" you mean less than 1% of the worlds population, right? Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: jc89 on March 24, 2017, 11:59:08 PM I think Satoshi would like us to decide for ourselves, he has done his part by giving Bitcoin to us. Since we benefit so much from bitcoin, we should nurture and make bitcoin better. We cannot control the thoughts of other people regarding bitcoin, we just have our own POV about the welfare of bitcoin. If for instance that Satoshi give his thoughts about bitcoin today, don't you think that this will affect everything? If Satoshi supports hard fork, then a majority of bitcoin user might support hard fork,too. And if this happens, decentralization image of bitcoin may be somewhat be breached. Others may think that Satoshi controls bitcoin. Well these are all big IFs. For me, Satoshi should stay hidden since he already gave us bitcoin and it is better to stay hidden for some reasons. Satoshi's appearance would greatly affect the point of view of other people. Satoshi's side regarding any issue will influence others. And id this happens, i do not know if this will turn out good or not. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: positivezero on March 25, 2017, 03:53:39 AM Why satoshi? well i dont know also. Satoshi nakamoto invented bitcoin to make people think that bitcoin is not just an ordinary crytocurrency but also it is useful to the users here and now all i want is to enjoy the life using bitcoin. I also respect Satoshi why he is still dont reveal his identity here in bitcoin world. Even he is still unknown, bitcoin now is still become progressive, become more popular in the market and useful to the users. So thank you Satoshi for the opportunity like this
Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: AicecreaME on March 25, 2017, 04:09:25 AM Why Satoshi doesn't express his opinion about BU, segwit, hard forks and other crucial things like these? I think it would be very important to hear his voice and to know what he thinks about it, because those crucial things could even lead to a Bitcoin implosion. But if he doesn't express his opinion maybe he just don't care about Bitcoin anymore or maybe he's already dead, as many people believe... We don't know who is Satoshi Nakamoto, we don't know why he is hiding and where is he hiding, but is he really hiding, or he might be already dead for a long time, who knows. The "What if" that you have said might be true, and might be not. But wherever Satoshi Nakamoto is right now, we should respect his decision on not showing in this situation. I think he don't want attraction and popularity that much, because he believes in bitcoin, he believes in us, that is why we should not give up on bitcoin. We should eliminate this BTU, we have to discourage others using it. Bitcoin is the real one, and this BTU is just a copy cat for me, it is risky for someone to use this and sell all of his bitcoin just to have this BTU coin. Title: Re: Why Satoshi... ? Post by: chixka000 on March 25, 2017, 04:56:23 AM He actually is in my opinion but for sure with a different identity. You already know why he would do it being n the other identity. More than that i believe that satoshi is just watching and allowing other people to innovate
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