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Title: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: asmodat on March 26, 2017, 08:39:58 PM
I will leave this conversation with dash developer here: http://imgur.com/a/KCD4W

Make your own conclusions.
What I see here is a typical pyramid scheme.

1. Make supply unaffordable to buy Masternode.
2. Offer shares that are locking customer funds for 60 days.
3. Available supply decreases, price goes up.
4. Price attracts more people who buy more and more expensive tokens.
5. Price goes down and they can't take their money out.
6. Take your profit, pump price once again when it is going down, repeat the scam, before it bursts so not all people are removing funds at once and destroy your scheme.


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: Nessa on March 26, 2017, 08:57:54 PM
I see your point, and while this is not exactly a pyramidal scheme, but more of a fund holding in order to pump, this makes me a bit more sure that Dash is the incorporated mafia here.


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: qwizzie on March 26, 2017, 10:07:11 PM
This is all just a bit stretching dont you think ? Reminds me of a movie i saw with Mel Gibson in it, its
called Conspiracy Theory.

Anyways, moocowmoo is just one of several hosting service providers that have been offering masternode hostings
You also have Holger, another Core Team member that provide hosting services.

Link : https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=1867885

Please try a little bit harder next time, when trying to discredit Dash.


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: DrkLvr_ on March 27, 2017, 01:34:26 AM
You're on to something OP. Fuck dash


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: edgar on March 27, 2017, 03:05:32 AM
This is all just a bit stretching dont you think ? Reminds me of a movie i saw with Mel Gibson in it, its
called Conspiracy Theory.

Anyways, moocowmoo is just one of several hosting service providers that have been offering masternode hostings
You also have Holger, another Core Team member that provide hosting services.

Link : https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=1867885

Please try a little bit harder next time, when trying to discredit Dash.


Please dont next time, when trying to defend/promote shit


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: PovertyByte on March 27, 2017, 04:04:47 AM
I will leave this conversation with dash developer here: http://imgur.com/a/KCD4W

Make your own conclusions.
What I see here is a typical pyramid scheme.

1. Make supply unaffordable to buy Masternode.

The 1000 dash a Masternode was set back when it was cheap. When the network demands for more MN's they will lower the headroom and bring the requirement down.

2. Offer shares that are locking customer funds for 60 days.

I am pretty sure there is no lock on the Masternodes. Not sure what you mean by locked up funds


3. Available supply decreases, price goes up.

It's called the free market. Also you got lots of people hoarding every cryptocurrency that is perceived to go up in value and if a crypto took over the global economy the rich would hoard the crypto just like they do current fiat anyway. Seem like an irrelevant point


4. Price attracts more people who buy more and more expensive tokens.

Not a scam, just basic cause and effect that any coin would have

5. Price goes down and they can't take their money out.

My Dash isn't locked

6. Take your profit, pump price once again when it is going down, repeat the scam, before it bursts so not all people are removing funds at once and destroy your scheme.

Haven't convinced me of this doomsday prophecy

My take on your arguments

I've been very good at calling price trends and made major profits buying and selling at the right time so far. My educated guess is Dash will not drop below 70. It might slowly enter the 70's while waiting for evolution but the community has a lot of people seeing the price dip caused by sensationalist weak handed holders as buying opportunities before Evolution. Dash will soar to 500 USD minimum when Evolution comes.


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: generalizethis on March 27, 2017, 04:15:29 AM
I will leave this conversation with dash developer here: http://imgur.com/a/KCD4W

Make your own conclusions.
What I see here is a typical pyramid scheme.

1. Make supply unaffordable to buy Masternode.

The 1000 dash a Masternode was set back when it was cheap. When the network demands for more MN's they will lower the headroom and bring the requirement down.

2. Offer shares that are locking customer funds for 60 days.

I am pretty sure there is no lock on the Masternodes. Not sure what you mean by locked up funds


3. Available supply decreases, price goes up.

It's called the free market. Also you got lots of people hoarding every cryptocurrency that is perceived to go up in value and if a crypto took over the global economy the rich would hoard the crypto just like they do current fiat anyway. Seem like an irrelevant point


4. Price attracts more people who buy more and more expensive tokens.

Not a scam, just basic cause and effect that any coin would have

5. Price goes down and they can't take their money out.

My Dash isn't locked

6. Take your profit, pump price once again when it is going down, repeat the scam, before it bursts so not all people are removing funds at once and destroy your scheme.

Haven't convinced me of this doomsday prophecy

My take on your arguments

I've been very good at calling price trends and made major profits buying and selling at the right time so far. My educated guess is Dash will not drop below 70. It might slowly enter the 70's while waiting for evolution but the community has a lot of people seeing the price dip caused by sensationalist weak handed holders as buying opportunities before Evolution. Dash will soar to 500 USD minimum when Evolution comes.

PIVX on Poloniex would leave dash REKT.


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: PovertyByte on March 27, 2017, 05:31:49 AM
I will leave this conversation with dash developer here: http://imgur.com/a/KCD4W

Make your own conclusions.
What I see here is a typical pyramid scheme.

1. Make supply unaffordable to buy Masternode.

The 1000 dash a Masternode was set back when it was cheap. When the network demands for more MN's they will lower the headroom and bring the requirement down.

2. Offer shares that are locking customer funds for 60 days.

I am pretty sure there is no lock on the Masternodes. Not sure what you mean by locked up funds


3. Available supply decreases, price goes up.

It's called the free market. Also you got lots of people hoarding every cryptocurrency that is perceived to go up in value and if a crypto took over the global economy the rich would hoard the crypto just like they do current fiat anyway. Seem like an irrelevant point


4. Price attracts more people who buy more and more expensive tokens.

Not a scam, just basic cause and effect that any coin would have

5. Price goes down and they can't take their money out.

My Dash isn't locked

6. Take your profit, pump price once again when it is going down, repeat the scam, before it bursts so not all people are removing funds at once and destroy your scheme.

Haven't convinced me of this doomsday prophecy

My take on your arguments

I've been very good at calling price trends and made major profits buying and selling at the right time so far. My educated guess is Dash will not drop below 70. It might slowly enter the 70's while waiting for evolution but the community has a lot of people seeing the price dip caused by sensationalist weak handed holders as buying opportunities before Evolution. Dash will soar to 500 USD minimum when Evolution comes.

PIVX on Poloniex would leave dash REKT.

One thing

PivX is not developing any Evolution like feature overhaul. It may be a Dash fork but the coin is clearly growing in a way different direction. I don't think of these as the same thing

I still hold some pivs to ride that train up since there are big gains to come with a poloniex add and who knows maybe thy will eventually decide to follow the idea of Evolution. Right now though, people are pumping it up because they compare it to Dash too much. ZCL and ZEC are more similar. ETC and ETH are more similar. Comparing PivX to Dash is like comparing KMD to ZEC or EXP to ETH. They are similar but developed differently now in how they work and what they do.

I am not knocking off PivX. I am just saying the Dash alternative idea is overrated. If anything DCR is the real Dash alternative with its superior governance system and the coin is still young but will catch up in privacy features and I think user functionality will lead to Evo down the line since they already got some nice wallets


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: Herbert2020 on March 27, 2017, 05:32:35 AM
you have a good point, although i don't think we can call it "pyramid scheme" exactly.
we all know that Dash has been premined and that alone means the supply is low and if those owning the premine decide to hold off and spread some hype in the market price goes up already. and it is just a pump and dump scheme which is a perfectly common thing in alternative cryptocurrencies. people sometimes forget why these coins were created in the first place.


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: thesavoyard on March 27, 2017, 09:11:15 AM
I see a lot of mental gymnastics here to see something nefarious where there isn't.


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: Ayers on March 27, 2017, 09:56:18 AM
dash isn't stealing money like any other coins on the market, if someone want to invest he is free to do so, as log he can understand the risk, with trading there is high risk high reward, what you are saying look like a conspirancy theory for me, it has no fundamental just a conjectures, and conjectures are like opinion, very pointless


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: dandyone on March 27, 2017, 10:07:36 AM
Amount of Dash for holding a masternode is 1000 at the moment, but it was always planned to get lower (probably to 500 first and then even lower if needed), depending on the value of a single coin and number of masternodes that are needed for supporting the network.
At the moment, masternodes don't do that much, but with Evolution update, they will be doing much more work and it's actually a concept very similar to Bitcoin's Lighting Network. So in time, there will be a need for more masternodes and stronger hardware in masternodes, to support that second tier network.


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: btcmerich on March 27, 2017, 03:12:12 PM


Good OP ,  but sorry to say DASH is not the only coin playing dirty.   


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: The Crypto Baron on March 27, 2017, 03:32:08 PM
I don't FUD/crypto cockblock coins (<--credit to Assman for crypto cockblock lol), but your OP is exactly why PIVX began.

Check it out if you haven't already.  It's quite the movement being born.


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: Piston Honda on March 27, 2017, 03:40:31 PM
dash crap

pvix - mini crap


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: Assman on March 27, 2017, 04:53:06 PM
dash crap

pvix - mini crap

Who could possibly argue with such a compelling, fact laden post  /sarc

Another pile of garbage post from Glass Joe  ;)


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: BTCwriter on March 27, 2017, 05:14:10 PM
Cryptocurrency bring out the crooks/scammers to play


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: The Crypto Baron on March 27, 2017, 05:15:45 PM
dash crap

pvix - mini crap

Who could possibly argue with such a compelling, fact laden post  /sarc

Another pile of garbage post from Glass Joe  ;)

#rekt


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: dwgscale11 on March 27, 2017, 05:16:25 PM
Dash, one great big scam. A well executed one..  Good luck gamblers


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: Assman on March 27, 2017, 09:59:13 PM
Dash, one great big scam. A well executed one..  Good luck gamblers

Not for long.  It's free-falled from 750m to under 600. 

I just clicked refresh on coinmarketcap.com and just saw another $15m leave the scammers.  8)


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: DrkLvr_ on March 27, 2017, 11:16:55 PM
I will leave this conversation with dash developer here: http://imgur.com/a/KCD4W

Make your own conclusions.
What I see here is a typical pyramid scheme.

1. Make supply unaffordable to buy Masternode.
2. Offer shares that are locking customer funds for 60 days.
3. Available supply decreases, price goes up.
4. Price attracts more people who buy more and more expensive tokens.
5. Price goes down and they can't take their money out.
6. Take your profit, pump price once again when it is going down, repeat the scam, before it bursts so not all people are removing funds at once and destroy your scheme.


So the devs/instaminers have most of the masternodes, now every few days/weeks they get enough payments to create a new masternode (1000 dash)?

How is this NOT a scam?

I love how he avoids your question about how long it takes for him to get 1000 dash. "I've created my system so you don't have to consider that" - well gee, thanks! these dash developers/scammers sure are HELPFUL aren't they


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: beerlover on March 28, 2017, 07:45:07 PM
I know the same answer has been given already but taking the 1000 masternode question at hand, isn’t that simply trusting your own coin to do well and turning out to be right? I wouldn’t even hold it against them if they kept it. I mean they took the leap early and got it and now they worth something and we expect them to give to us? I wouldn’t do it but I hope they would.


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: andron8383 on March 28, 2017, 08:21:06 PM

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So the devs/instaminers have most of the masternodes, now every few days/weeks they get enough payments to create a new masternode (1000 dash)?

How is this NOT a scam?

I love how he avoids your question about how long it takes for him to get 1000 dash. "I've created my system so you don't have to consider that" - well gee, thanks! these dash developers/scammers sure are HELPFUL aren't they

And people like Amanda payed shill promote that scam to attract more DUMB people into it.
It is obvious once more money will be leaving Dash than moving in DASH nodes will start dumping.
BTC had at least loooong time to distribute wealth while Dash with that instamine makes from investors fool.
You-tubers yeal how great is Dash how they rise 10x in 3 months and this is not FUCKING PUMP.
If DASH is not manipulated pumped coin and people advertise to buy it :D hahaha
you got that it have risen to ATH vs BTC and people endorse that as GOOD investment.
I don't know how many people were bribed but this is BS and Dash will crash over next year once money will stop flowing in.


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: Assman on March 28, 2017, 09:18:05 PM
I know the same answer has been given already but taking the 1000 masternode question at hand, isn’t that simply trusting your own coin to do well and turning out to be right? I wouldn’t even hold it against them if they kept it. I mean they took the leap early and got it and now they worth something and we expect them to give to us? I wouldn’t do it but I hope they would.

What kind of "leap" is it when it's an instamine?


Title: Re: How DASH is stealing investors money - pyramid scheme revealed.
Post by: The Sceptical Chymist on March 28, 2017, 09:23:46 PM
A lot of people call bitcoin itself a pyramid/ponzi scheme.  Don't agree with that, don't agree with OP either.  I still am not going to buy any, though.   I think I'm done with the altcoin scene altogether.