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Footage of burning Electric Cars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtCk3srID_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oXvzQgwpGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4VzuNA9uU8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkPMts4DS3Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6dSwvF9Jpc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3ak9YelE4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byVWvl10Ihg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbNPJCJwyM4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OgdGnTUQ5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og6VORPyEU4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD0TE7MxHwM

Electric car explosive fire - the real danger of Electric Cars.

Lithium-ion Car Battery Fire Testing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uex_O2TtTDw

Are You ready to drive and charge at Home some Electric Car?

http://woodyboater.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/chevy-volt-garage-sad-hill-news-1.jpg

As of 2016 there were over 500,000 electric vehicles sold in the US. (Source: https://www.recode.net/2016/12/21/14041112/electric-vehicles-report-2016 (https://www.recode.net/2016/12/21/14041112/electric-vehicles-report-2016))

You're documenting 11 examples of electric vehicles catching on fire. Are all of these fires due to the battery or technology that make the vehicles "electric"? Let's assume yes. Are there more than these 11 instances? If not, this is immaterial and doesn't represent a safety concern.

If 1% of the EVs were catching on fire we might have something to talk about - that would be over 5,000 vehicles catching on fire. I don't think were any where close to that number...but if I'm wrong, let's talk.

For sure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plug-in_electric_vehicle_fire_incidents

30 vehicles fires per hour in the USA.
How much from that are HEV or EV for 2016 i have no data for the moment.

https://www.chinamoneynetwork.com/2017/03/06/tesla-model-s-caught-on-fire-at-supercharger-station-in-shanghai

https://www.chinamoneynetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/c422-fycapec1546759.jpg

https://www.chinamoneynetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/fdfs.jpg

Other case of fire after crash:
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2016/11/03/2-killed-fiery-tesla-crash-near-downtown/93227456/

BMW EV on fire, Rome.

https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/bmw-i3-fire-italia.png?w=2000&h=0#038;h=436


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SutDTHIYSe4

They sure used a lot of fire extinguishers for that Tesla :D That thing was burning like a meth lab!
Phones are also blowing up and catching fire. Lithium cells are delicate and can explode in your pocket. This guy's e-cig turned him into a torch. http://edition.cnn.com/2016/02/25/health/e-cigarette-explodes-in-mans-pocket/
I read that many of the Tesla fires were caused by people running over curbs. One guy received a warning from the car's OS, ignored it and kept driving. A couple minutes later the car was on fire.

http://chinaautoweb.com/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/zotye-ev-taxicab-on-fire-hangzhou-1.jpg

Zotye M300 EV -  the cause of the fire to the car’s is the battery pack


http://www.calce.umd.edu/batteries/pics/safety1.jpg

Wuzhoulong EV bus with LiFePO4 power batteries caught fire in the charging station on Apr. 26th, 2015 in Shenzhen, China

http://vgr.by/images/stories/2016/27_1/elektromobil_sgorel_1.jpg

http://vgr.by/images/stories/2016/27_1/elektromobil_sgorel_4.jpg

A new Electric bus burned in Belorussia 05.07.2016

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Gto3bD4mI0I/VopVmzn0ehI/AAAAAAAAA3U/tO-Wd_7Dkj8/s640/tesla-in-fire04.jpg

2016. Norway

Every year we hear that many car companies are withdrawing their cars with traditional internal combustion engines including the cause of the fire. While all are silent. It seems to me that all this hype is nothing more than a competitive struggle for the buyer. If Tesla will achieve a substantial reduction in price of their products I can assure you that the problem of imperfection of the batteries just no one will pay attention.

Lithium-ion batteries are presenting the real danger, and calling it "imperfection" seems strange.

https://attachments.priuschat.com/attachment-files/2015/12/98330_20151210_225704.jpg

https://priuschat.com/threads/my-toyota-prius-2010-caught-fire.160234/

HEV Prius burned out in 15 minutes. London

If you're going to start a topic about fires in electric vehicles caused by failures of the HV system, you're best off linking to articles that actually contain such.

The Prius fire you've linked to here is an example of a fire in a Hybrid that has nothing to do with the car's HV system. For the record the traction pack batteries are in the boot in a Prius, not in the right hand front of the vehicle as displayed in the above picture.

And if you want to give your topic some credibility, maybe compare fires caused by faults / damage in the HV system to those caused by faults / damage in the fuel system, otherwise it's just scare mongering.

Lastly, probably one of the best things you can take away from understanding the difference between a HV electrical fire and a highly flammable liquid fire, the battery fire will usually give you ample warning that there's a problem before reaching any point of explosion, if indeed it explodes at all.

The batteries used in cars are of the same type you have in your phone, computer and many other everyday use gadgets. They can catch fire when pierced or overheated, but if you compare the numbers you'll see that it's a 1% event. It's not even that common to call it a 1%. I could start a topic that cars are burning because fuel is flammable, if you drive a car you'll most likely burn to death and i'd be on point, because car fires due to fuel leak are far more common than fires caused by a battery.

How do You detect the origine of HEV fire?

Lithium batteries are now everywhere. And phones and flashlights, and electric shavers. In short everywhere. You suggest not to use all the appliances? After the accident fokusime state has not closed a nuclear power plant. If there is a problem, then it needs to be addressed, but the movement towards electric cars is unstoppable.

The bus depicted in Belarus is burned fast and with big flames in short time before loading 20 cildrens for a trip.
I have no idea about what type or rethoric of low event case it might become in front of possible burned alive childrens.
The bus burned in China present too a high power of heat in "non collision" situation.
The car burned in Norway become fires at short stop for WC.
In that way the situation is only to wait a bigger damage with more casualties.

The presence of High Voltage caves and batteries, the possibility to charge batteries make the HEV dangerous at the same level as EV.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Gcntx6i3vVE/VmdqR4sIWEI/AAAAAAAAMQY/LPzKdftLxVA/s1600/i3Firejpg.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p0LvrUjOldo/Vmdz2U49MkI/AAAAAAAAMQo/Y1E7dzM84Ww/s1600/i3%2BFire2.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BwTuT_iQ0rY/Vmd4rdlpDsI/AAAAAAAAMQ0/SrJCCD0AMk4/s1600/i3fire3.jpg

BMW i3

At least someone need see what might happens if You got such explosive thing in Home Garage or You will use it for the family trips.

http://cdn.bmwblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/bmw-i8-burnt-4.jpg

BMW i8

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/184e4vib22teajpg.jpg

Fisker Karma exploded



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PUG-ldjD48

Nissan LEAF in fire

http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Chevroelt-Volt-12v-fire-via-GMV-750x562.jpg

http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Chevroelt-Volt-12v-fire-2-via-GMV.jpg

 Chevrolet Volt lead acid battery, Collision Caused fire

http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/volt9.jpg

Chevrolet Volt in  Seattle

WOW, that's a lot! Definitely warrants investigation and attention from the manufacturers. The challenge with the manufactures, the business decision making is, if the cost to pay out damages is less than the cost of re-engineering and fixing the problem with their cars, they'll continue to allow the defect to exist.

Any word on how the automakers are handling and responding to this?

I don't think "EVs are bad" is the simple answer, the technology just needs to be improved. Shit, the first rockets to send men to space exploded but that certainly wasn't a reason to stop trying.

Some tecnologies are stopped - Russian "Buran" and "Space Shuttle".

As far as I know and the space Shuttle and Buran stopped long ago. Just what does this have to the battery? Buran stopped due to the fact that the Soviet Union could not Fund the project, and the space Shuttle stopped after several accidents. But I think that actually for the same reason.

1. This is about the decision to not use more some tecnology (in front of danger for Human Lives or costs).

2. The rocket for "Buran" (Energia) is still in use. But for other "Buran" launching was no contractors.
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There is not enough Lithium for many cars in the future.

Try to find something about danger of Lithium batteries  
http://www.albemarle-lithium.com/applications/batteries-accumulators/

http://read.html5.qq.com/image?src=forum&q=5&r=0&imgflag=7&imageUrl=http://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/NZWaKtUnlko9XmveBia4oO3Vuh0fgoibmB4Sl2YI4qCiamdtFaspvrFZQbph5I71UlX8iaF13P4CNCkQ7Lsziaxiayiaw/0?wx_fmt=jpeg

Electric Vehicle in China.

http://read.html5.qq.com/image?src=forum&q=5&r=0&imgflag=7&imageUrl=http://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/NZWaKtUnlko9XmveBia4oO3Vuh0fgoibmB9NOfb5Qibg5ystRqfiaBfpZFcPbzscGoLy1C9dbAe77BciaxicibfR1c3yg/0?wx_fmt=jpeg

http://tc.sinaimg.cn/maxwidth.2048/tc.service.weibo.com/bjwb_bjd_com_cn/2114cd3af1083faccfa62eb3ac522cb2.jpg

http://p9.pstatp.com/large/11fc0006be0eb999c026

http://photocdn.sohu.com/20160218/mp59473849_1455807589492_8.jpeg

BYD e6 after collision

"safety of electric vehicles have also been questioned" - this is what Chinese have to comment

http://tc.sinaimg.cn/maxwidth.2048/tc.service.weibo.com/img1_cache_netease_com/4d199a75eeca0b3ae49344d2bcea8c1f.jpg

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JAC electric car

http://read.html5.qq.com/image?src=forum&q=5&r=0&imgflag=7&imageUrl=http://mmbiz.qpic.cn/mmbiz_jpg/NZWaKtUnlko9XmveBia4oO3Vuh0fgoibmBECQGDX66KKSdsOEW0aWGYibvsy7WD9Npic0N7VNPrFicJSk8ZBX5kTgeg/0?wx_fmt=jpeg

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http://upload.diandong.com/2015/0919/1442619026250.jpg

Shenzhen Wuzhou Long electric bus charging station fire

http://img-cdn.d1ev.com/d/file/contents/2015/12/566e181e4dedd.jpg

If you actually read the paragraph you quoted from wikipedia, you would know this was a study from 2003-2007... near zero Li-Ion batteries were being used in cars at the time...

So none of the "30 vehicle fires per hour" have anything to do with batteries...

Car interiors are highly flammable and they usually contain 10+ gallons of gasoline...

But don't blame that shit on batteries catching fire when it's 100% not true


If you stopped to think about it for even 2 seconds, or do the math... 30 per hour... that's over 250,000 per year... how many electric vehicles do you think were in use during 2003-2007?  (hint: it's less than 1,250,000, and they didn't all catch fire)

The subject ordered the competitors of Tesla. Or the Arabs are worried that oil prices will fall because more and more people are looking towards electric vehicles.

Just try to find the data about EV and HEVs burned in 2015 or 2016.

The joke is easy to call this problem as "low incidence".

http://p2.pstatp.com/large/11fd000498abde22f4bd

Charging station in garage seems me for now as a bad idea.

Install on vehicle Autonomous system of fire extinguishing. As in the tank. Then you will not have problems. In General, there are still cars running on gas. They also occasionally burn, but because of high gasoline prices them becomes every year more.

http://www.berliner-zeitung.de/image/571702/2x1/940/470/75eb936f4662d293aa9f96bf9da03b0c/vz/elektroauto-brand-jpg.jpg

There is nothing to do, if it start to burn.

You here such fears show if I hadn't encountered electric vehicles probably would have believed. We have all the police goes on the hybrids and no fire. My neighbor is a Chinese electric vehicle (I call it a smartphone) for three years every day goes on it and no problems. Probably not as bad as you write here.

https://s1.cdn.autoevolution.com/images/news/bmw-i3-police-car-catches-fire-in-rome-bad-news-for-the-lapd-109367_1.jpg



All the pictures in this thread are real, just verify them using Your prefered Search Engine.

If you add the weight of all these needed esxtinguishers onto the battery weights it's probably a better tradeoff driving a classical combustion-engined car. Surprised to see the new technology still beeing combustion focused  8)

Jokes asside, this tech will improve, just that lithium seems to be a deadend alley.

Now I am worried about my laptop replacement battery pack, it's of abroad manufactoring, could even be Samsung involved in it's production. Do I have to store it in the garden house just as a security measure to save the house?

Ohh, charging at sub-freezing temperature and vibration are the basic causes of battery failures...
This are the basic condition of use to any EV and HEV in the real world.
 

LOL. How were you before? You always kept your laptop in the garden? Better insure your property if you are afraid and live in peace on. It seems to me that the risk of fire is too exaggerated. How many billions of phones in the hands of the people? Add to this the laptops and other equipment with batteries. How many times have you heard about the fires they cause? Do not panic.

This is about Your News font.

No one earn money to teach You about cases of damage of high cost Lithium batteries exploding and burning.

http://i0.wp.com/www.topluxurythings.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Sony-Batteries-for-Dell-Laptops.jpg

http://techtalk.pcpitstop.com/wp-content/uploads/batteryfire3.jpg

https://i.stack.imgur.com/FVYeU.jpg

http://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/assets.dev.skiesmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/HiRes-7-1024x576.png

http://zeniv.linux.org.uk/~telsa/boom/olion-3.jpg

http://blogs.smh.com.au/mashup/images/470_dell3.jpg

Are You informed enough now?

I have seen vaporizers explode and burn people pretty badly but an entire car filled with batteries would probably be fatal. I was hoping to buy an electric car sometime in the future but now I'm thinking I should just stick with gasoline engine cars. They have been around for so long that all the flaws have been pretty much dealt with. Maybe I'll wait another 10 years to get an electric vehicle.. Give them time to work out the bugs.

There is nothing to change in Lithium batteries.
The vibration, charging at sub-freezing temperature, impacts are inevitable in allday use of EV and HEVs.
 

Well then they named them appropriately..

EV - explosive vehicle

HEV - highly explosive vehicle (gas + battery = kaboom!)

 ;D

I wonder if this was on purpose.

http://charged.io/10-alternatives-lithium-ion-batteries/

Someone like the idea to sell $100 Lithium in $10.000. battery.


The safety problem is evident to scentists, but the $10.000. battery with $100 of Lithium have limited life time, and it lost with time the charging capacity, we need not forget it too.
This become the range limitation, and who become the empty battery can call the Wrecker.

https://youtu.be/zPTmTDWrbes?t=4m14s

https://cdn.riastatic.com/photos/ria/news_text/5/550/55017/55017.jpg

http://i.infocar.ua/img/mats_/8500/albums/evacuator/foto_002.jpg

http://carshelp.by/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/perevozka-Tesla-Model-S.jpg

My grandfather has a tractor that was made in 1974. It can be started from a tug, and thus nothing is needed at all. And instead of diesel fuel is used fat. In general, there is no danger of transport. And the battery will not explode, because it does not.

Tractor which uses fat instead of diesel is good, but fat is not so much to use it to move the car. There are certainly cars on rapeseed oil,but it is not a way out of the situation. The high price of fuel restricts the ability to move between cities and significantly increases the cost of delivery of goods.

Brasil use ethanol.

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000rfluc3EP61I/s/550/GSM-0-03631-Brazil-gas-prices-stock-photo.jpg

Yes Brazil No. 1 country for the production of bioethanol in the world. In second place is America. The only difference is that Brazil produces bioethanol from sugar cane, and America of maize. Due to low wages and cheap raw Brazilian bioethanol cheaper.

This is why even if I already have to money to buy one, I'd probably hold off a bit just so that any flaws in existing designs (if there are any) could be fixed first as well as have it cheaper. New techs do have problems sometime.

There's no doubt that we'd eventually have to switch to electric though if we want to save the planet. More electric vehicles and renewable energy. Trains already operate on electricity, maybe they can focus on using this on buses first. Public transportation, provided it is efficient, would result in less pollution than having everyone drive their own.


Well, that is a possibility.

Still, the number of electric car fires is still much less than cars with gasoline engines. Although they use them less now. Therefore, you need to ride a bicycle for safety ;D

Lithium is a fossil, and is limited.
Rare-earth permanent magnets are fossil.
Elecricity is from fossil fuel.
"Renevable energy" - do You produce such energy now? Where is your love to planet savaging?

Why You use the shit like "save the planet"?

And how can you pollute the earth because it is produced? I don't really understand it. For I understand that times Russians are very concerned about the spread of electric vehicles so that's good. I hope that soon all cars will switch to electricity. The electric car first appeared. The internal combustion engine came later. Maybe it's time to correct this historical injustice.

The electric power is widely used in Russia for trasportation.
The difference is the safety, they explode not, and they burn not, they are Lithium batteryless cars or trains.

http://tr.ru/sites/default/files/2016/mostroll15.jpg

http://files.vm.ru/photo/vecherka/2016/02/doc6oc3elb143a8fgxgcnw_800_480.jpg


But if You will to burn alive, there are  the charge stations too.

https://www.zr.ru/_ah/img/3lifvFqSPhO48sq13ehlKw=s800


What plug type is available in Your city?
Seems, You are at risk il range limitations from Your plug.

What is the origin of Electricity?

http://tesiaes.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/coal_plant_3.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lpwxVTkpQo (In Russian)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Arkhangelsk_TETS.JPG/1200px-Arkhangelsk_TETS.JPG

What is unclear?

So you want to keep on guzzling oil? Go ahead. Who sponsored this thread anyway?

BTW, BTW, lithium may be limited and have to be mined but it's not a fossil and can be reused. And you can produce electricity without "fossil" fuels. Ughh.... Are you also a Flat Earther?

Ever heard of geothermal and wind turbines? Electricity can be produced without coal and oil, we just need batteries that can store them without much energy loss.

1. WOW. Really?
What they are waiting?
Explain, where is the profit if any of wind mill is about $ 3-4 million?

In 2015, the United States generated about 4 trillion kilowatthours of electricity.1  
About 67% of the electricity generated was from fossil fuels (coal, natural gas, and petroleum).

Major energy sources and percent share of total U.S. electricity generation in 2015:1

Coal = 33%
Natural gas = 33%
Nuclear = 20%
Hydropower = 6%
Other renewables = 7%
Biomass = 1.6%
Geothermal = 0.4%
Solar = 0.6%
Wind = 4.7%
Petroleum = 1%
Other gases = <1%

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3


2. Here is about the explosive nature of Li Ion batteries.

Oi. Where to begin....

1) if you do not have a battery management system on lithium batteries, you can overcharge them with a cheap constant voltage charger. What happens is one cell in the pack over-charges, heats up, then the voltage on that battery goes down so the charger keeps feeding power. The result is called thermal runaway, which either melts the pack or causes a fire. This is why cheap Chinese crap can catch fire. And why a lot of cheap Chinese crap is banned in the US.

2) Another cause of battery fires is dead shorts of the electrical system. In the case of two teslas, it was having chunks of metal pierce the battery box. A Leaf is less likely to have this happen as they have a serious battery plate on the bottom but it still might happen. However anything that hard of a hit would pierce a gasoline tank with the usual results (see 30 car fires a day).

3) It is true that flooding an electric car can cause a short and fire, however at that point the average lead car is leaking gasoline into the water which floats and can catch fire on the surface of the water. Shit happens.

4) The big problem with EV's is that when they charge they pull a lot of current. Dryer levels of current. If you plug them into an under-rated circuit, or into a home circuit that was designed to supply 15 amps or so maybe with old wiring you *CAN* overheat the plug and wires which CAN cause a house fire. This is why you charge a car with a dedicated EV charger and wiring going back to the fuse box and have it done by a LICENCED ELECTRICIAN, not a twinkie who thinks he can install one because he changed a light bulb.

Note I fall into category 4: I have a 1990's era EV that I converted to lithium/Leaf pack. It charges so long now with the bigger pack that I wound up melting the 15a 240 volt 6-15 socket I installed outside. So I upgraded it to a 6-20 and all is well now. But a proper electrician would not make such a bone-headed mistake.

Note 2: A number of bitcoin mines have caught fire due to the exact same problem. I wonder how many house fires miners have caused and never reported.

So yeah, it can happen. However it also happens that due to faulty tubing, poor design, and just plain bad luck plenty of gas cars catch fire too. On my 80's era 944 I once saw that a fuel hose had a bulge in it, right over the exhaust manifolds. I switched out the line of course, then found that one of the two layers of rubber had leaked. If it had broached the second layer that car would have exploded on the highway like some cartoon car. And it turns out a number of them have....

Lightfoot:

Fixes broken miners because they really are the same things as the 400-600 volt EV systems I have worked on for 15 years now. Same problems.

http://www.nature.com/nmat/journal/v14/n10/full/nmat4369.html

This is a basic property of Li Ion batteries, not about failures in quality.

Check this thread about burning LEAF, there is a video.



http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/2.jpg

http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/fire.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OgdGnTUQ5I

Ford recalls 570K vehicles for fire risk, door latch trouble
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ford-recalls-570k-vehicles-for-fire-risk-door-latch-trouble/
...The engine fire recall... In Europe, the recall covers the 2010 through 2015 C-Max hybrid

It's not the battery per se: I have melted a pack of flooded NiCd cells in my time and have also managed to explode Prius NiMH cells while testing. The results are hilarious to say the least, but nothing compared to my friend who blew the bed off his S10 pickup truck when he forgot to vent the hydrogen gas from the NiCD batteries he put under the bed.

Yep, off. It was kind of funny actually.

The problem with the hoverboard crap is regulating the charge properly. Charge to 4.1 volts per cell, then STOP. Too many cheap Chinese chargers will charge the pack to 4.1v*number of cells, forgetting that if a cell goes above 4.2v it will gas, overheat, go into thermal runaway, and burn. This is not something demonic and magical, it's common sense. As much as putting a lamp shade around a 100 watt bulb because if you knock the lamp over into a pile of newspapers they will catch fire as the bulb heats the paper. (This is also the fundamental method of operation of the Easy bake Oven).

But it needs a charger that you take some time to design properly, in Chinese make-it-cheap town they just throw together a constant voltage lead acid charger and call it a day. No UL listing, people don't care, house burn down.

 

Leaf fire appears to have started in the HV ECU circuits or an HV accessory (heater perhaps). My guess is a IGBT shorted, took out its partner, and dead-shorted the 400v line. Normally this would cause the fuse to blow in the pack, but if the IGBTs kept the current below 200a then you would have a nice little 200*400=80kw space heater under the hood. That could cause a nice fire t which point the contactors would drop out and the car would burn at a normal pace.

Kind of like having a gas engine fuel injector line fail. Gas all over the place, one of the 30 cars a day that catch fire.

Now to design this problem out is difficult: Normally the IGBT controllers have current sensors watching the current from the Source to Drain, looking for an increasing voltage that exceeds a reference standard (a sign that the IGBT is shorting out). In the old days that would feed an Op-Amp with the output being directly tied into the gate driver shutdown line of both IGBTs. Thus if a FET shorted it's neighbor would see the current screaming up and instantly shut down the gates, then signal the controller to drop the contactors (which electronically speaking takes a lot longer, thus you want the immediate gate shutdown). Wonder what happened. However the lack of Leafs exploding around the country leads me to believe this was an edge case.

In terms of the two cars above, both look to be crappy power in the garages they were plugging the cars into. See "Don't use a cheap portable charger plugged into an old wall outlet". Hm. I wonder if they had aluminum wiring in the house... Probably the closest analog is a dryer fire (2,900 of those a year in the US)

Call to this mr. James Dickerson with the theory of "cheap Chinese crap", he have no idea about it.

The same way you detect the origin of any fire, inspection of the site post fire.

What is clear in the Prius picture is that the car's batteries are not the cause of the fire as they are located in the rear of the vehicle; possibly an issue with the Prius's HID headlight.

For the record also, the Prius uses NiMH batteries, not Lithium.

Chevy volt use lithium ion batteries not too, but it burn.
And what is burning in MIEV (picture in this thread)?

The fire in Prius from the wrong side is a big argument.  
You need pictures of Prius with fires from other side?

https://static.carthrottle.com/workspace/uploads/posts/2015/10/70d5f93e-6ed0-47cb-bb85-966154300ca4.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-uPNGSoj634/maxresdefault.jpg

Toyota Prius Hybrid Battery Exploded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uPNGSoj634

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/prius-fire.jpg

Prius


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bv6J1StIYAAlFpr.jpg:large

Chevy Volt in fire

http://www.evhui.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/8-6.jpg

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The safety problem is evident. High Voltage caves connected to the batteries and burn too, and the problem is connected still to Batteries in EV or HEV.

Impressive pictures. Allow me to show you a burning gasoline tanker truck:
http://roa.h-cdn.co/assets/15/11/1600x875/gallery_1426088587-screen_shot_2015-03-11_at_114152_am.png

My point is:
Electric cars have different issues than fossil fuel cars. Showing some pictures of burning cars without the proper statistics has nothing to do with the question you frame here.

Wait, what?! Is this your translation or are you just making things up?

This describes it nicely. Lithium batteries need active protection to prevent them from damaging themselves. When they're damaged/overcharged/undercharged/overheated, they become unstable.
Don't forget high-power-batteries are still relatively new, development is still ongoing, and road-testing is just part of this development.

Seems You have no such statistic, and no one publish it.
Why you are not worried about?

This is in nature of humans to think, that accidents goes to happen to other people.

I don't like to worry about irrational fears.
You're Russian, right? 27000 people (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate) died in traffic last year in Russia. I doubt electric car fires caused any fatalities (other than traffic-related).

Unfortunately I can't find any videos of a starting fire in an electric car (people only start filming when it's big already), but I can imagine the fire starts slowly, giving you time to get out of the car. Unless you're stuck after an accident, but in that case burning gasoline isn't going to save you either.

I'm sure, that people have seen not much enough electric vehicles in flames.

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 GEM electric truck on fire.

http://img.mp.itc.cn/upload/20160628/62428993900e439bad1a7ff91db658e5_th.jpg

Spontaneous combustion of electric car is a rare event?
If there is no statistic, how do You can tell it?

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Renault Zoe

I like that Russian began to promote the rejection of electric cars. This means that alternative technologies are developed, improved and already making trouble for countries trading in oil. The price of fuel will fall to stop.

Someone, who not used the salt with added iodium can thinking surely, that if Russians are promoting teeth cleaning, there is a complot.

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江淮iEV5

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That's not what I asked for. Show me a fire that is just starting: does it look like something that gives you enough time to get out of the way?
I have seen videos of burning laptops, when it starts smoking, you start walking away. So you're safe.

For sure, the last recall is about to hold laptops and smartphones near passengers.

But Boeng have the own batteries to burn.

http://i2.cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130115233133-boeing-dreamliner-battery-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg


Do You have seen some tesla side crash test with flames?
Why they are burning on the streets?

Someone is hidding how tests goes in real.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3908700/Two-people-killed-Tesla-crash-Indianapolis.html

There was such a blow on the tree that if he had a diesel or gas engine the fire was not worse. Moreover the battery is already burning, and only after that we start to see some fireworks. Would be in this car, the gasoline, the explosion would be stronger.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX5WsvKn2zg
2010 Toyota Prius Hybrid Fire


Where are similar fires from crash tests?

Crash tests give no explosions or fires and in the Real World the Electric Cars are unsafe?

Is this about the evidence of fake safety tests for EVs to put them on the market and after that starting the rhetoric about statistic?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fQ9A_7Hw1s
Prius in fire

Why are all your pics of the car damaged? Probably before the fire was an accident? Also, how much burning of cars with standard internal combustion engines? I think that these statistics are not in your favor.

Do You need help to find EV and HEVs in fire on parking places?
Or those burned on the road with no collision?
Check the Police BMW burned in Rome.

Crash tests are only carried out with speeds that can be survived. If you drive into a tree at high speed, it doesn't matter which car you use, you can't survive it.
High speed crashes are more of a Mythbuster thing to test.

No.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBXS21uh6lc

Where are such tests for Li Ion EV cars?
Something fit not with tests.

Even if you find a few dozen photos that will make me abandon the electric car. I still ride on a conventional engine, but I have a few friends used electric cars, electric bikes and electric boat motors. No one is no problem.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/g2JqjIU6S4A/maxresdefault.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2JqjIU6S4A
Shreveport City Electric enhanced power Bus Fire near Bossier Municipal Complex


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Accidental spontaneous combustion is the fundamental performance of electric vehicles - Electronic Engineering World Network


LOL

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https://youtu.be/0NnIjJaQ_gY?t=38s

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electric car spontaneous combustion at charging

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spontaneous combustion of electric vehicle 知豆2电动车

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 electric car charging spontaneous combustion
(发生自燃的电动车发生自燃的特写)

Lithium batteries always have problems with exploding when charged, thats why lots of people are not thrilled about electrics cars and stick to the fuel systems.

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self-ignition of the electric car
(燃过的电动车)


https://youtu.be/Uex_O2TtTDw?t=4m26s
https://youtu.be/gz3hCqjk4yc?t=49s
Battery test

This video shows a Prius that is on fire, it hasn't exploded.



The car in this picture is a Toyota Celica, not a Chevy Volt.



Like any energy source, care must be taken to ensure safety. Batteries are no different and are no more prone to issues that any other alternative energy source.

You obviously don't like the fact that electric vehicles are making headway into mainstream take up, hence your false claim that all battery powered vehicles can explode at any second without cause.

Another thought, if you really have issues with lithium batteries maybe you should stop using a computer; lithium cell batteries have been used for years in computers without issue.

Are You serious?


Chevy Volt burned cars pictures:
burned cars are many, and pictures of them need be published.

http://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/volt9-750x562.jpg

This one from Seattle is not Toyota, sure? (No other mistakes in the thread?)

http://diminishedvalueofgeorgia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Toyota-Prius-Burn-Fire-Damage-4.jpg

And this is Toyota HEV Prius.

Need more Toyota?

1.  Spontaneous combustion is a event of some part of pictures and videos here.
What You mean "ensure safety" on parking mode or by driving - is for me unclear.

2. Pls. check better the title of thread.


If someone see all of those burned EV and HEVs, its becose they are goes in flames, not becose your presumption of my hate to such vehicles.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BG7t3P_NZW8/

https://www.instagram.com/p/BG71Kl7NZXp/

Prius burn at parking, Nakhodka city.

After the reform of the police in a country like Ukraine where the entire police drives a Prius. These cars are supplied to Ukraine by Japan under the Kyoto Protocol. No cases of ignition at the moment were recorded. Let me remind you that a lot of these cars gets into an accident and are operated every day. Isn't that proof that you exaggerate?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zwB3jVSwv8

20 February 2017, Kharkiv
Burn parked Prius

There is no car supply under Kyoto protocol, only sales of pollution quotes.
But from 235 cars 160 are just crashed by Kiev police drivers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBDIbAk8YNY
Parked Prius burning in Khabarovsk

Not visible in the photo that this is a police Prius. Even if we assume that this police car is burning it outside, but the Prius battery is inside the cabin. And agree to the 1500 police cars this case is the exception rather than the rule.

There are no 1500 Police Prius today, they are crashed at 50%.



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This is enough for other topic about "Ukrainian" Police drivers.

May be enough, but as you can see from the photo, the Prius hybrid is completely safe. In accidents involving patrol cars it is often the case in any country. You in Russia are fighting no less. Police work is always associated with high risk, and the American police always beat a car in the rear wing.

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Prius HEV burst into flames

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/08/12/watch-toyota-prius-bursts-into-flames-on-euston-road-london/

In the materials does it say that this fire occurred due to the fact that this car is a hybrid. Maybe it's the consequences of arson? As stated in the posts above the Prius battery is in the cabin and he clearly is not the cause of the fire.

HEV high voltage caves are connected to battery or to ass of driver?

1. That does not change the fact the electricity can be produced without burning fossil fuel. My country generate about 25% of its electricity from renewable energy. With more dams planned to be built, that amount can increase. There is continuous research on the field of renewable so we can expect they can increase the amount energy captured.

2. So, what would you suggest? We'd eventually have to transition to electric to wean ourselves of oil. I doubt the Arabs and Russians would be happy though.

BTW this would be my last reply on this thread, don't bother quoting me. Enjoy the attention.

I agree with you. Russian and Arab propaganda anyone not valid. They are to blame. Raising the price of oil, they pushed the world to search for alternative sources of energy and this process does not stop.

Wow if that is the reality for electric cars then it is much better to not purchase it now since there are major flaws that can endanger our lives. But if in case the company can find ways to upgrade the car and finding solutions to solve the major issues such as burning then probably that is the time that I will buy an electric car.

These pictures on the Internet a lot. Where it is clear that the cause of the fire was an electric car? In each case, you need investigation. I don't believe in this kind of PR. I think this is a paid counter-advertising.

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Chevrolet Volt burned in Minsk city

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2016 burned EV in Sankt Petersburg


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Audi EV burned at charging in Estonia

If in Estonia burned one car that is the problem? Why don't you think that the problem is in the charger? I'm sure that your pics will not stop the growing demand for electric vehicles.

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Belief that not hiding cases of HEV and EVs fires under the bed is a "Putin Propaganda" make me laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOav1NLfN3U
Home Fire caused by EV charger.


https://electrek.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/tesla-model-s-fire.jpg

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Yorkshire Tesla Model S 70 burned

I have 2 years of Toyota Prius hybrid. No problem at all with it. I don't know how much burned in hybrids or electric cars, but I really like my Prius. My next car will also be electric. I want to buy a Tesla.

How do You imagine to detect problems at nude eye?
Try to use some FLIR.

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Prius battery pack

Maybe this is an ordered article of oil nuggets to carry out anti-PR of electric cars. Statistics of problems with these cars is very low, so you should not be afraid of them.

LOL
The problem is to have such car, this is a cause of fire, Tesla experts detect it (https://electrek.co/2017/03/31/tesla-model-s-fire-manchester-crash/).


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Burned HEV in Berlin



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QCa196NQIM
Chevy Volt burning in Minsk city

The car caught fire in the parking lot.

2015 TESLA MODEL S 85

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electric bicycle exploded

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Danger for dogs sign on the phone battery.


Tags: Samsung Galaxy S8 Battery, Samsung Galaxy S8 Plus Battery, Samsung Anti-Dog Symbol, Mobiles, Android, Samsung, Anti-Dog Label

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"Model X" burning in Guangzhou

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Tongzhou, electric car burning
http://chuansong.me/n/1791319451727

 more than 30 electric buses were burned

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the largest electric bus fire
 May 1 at 12:20 pm Xu, Beijing Chaoyang District, East reed Road crab island resort car parking fire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waqRhTW6mCY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qbq4GJbe5I


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_qJ5MC9q5s

The fire broke out at Gruber Motor on Friday. The company makes lithium batteries which proved as a challenge for firefighters battling the blaze.

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 left plugged in to charge overnight
Chelmsford, Essex

https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/3983899/smart-fortwo-electric-car-totally-destroyed-and-left-gutted-by-flames-after-it-set-on-fire-while-charging-outside-office/