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I greatly recommend bitcoin. with a very rapid price movement, we can take great advantage of margin buying and selling results.
compared to gold and bonds takes longer than bitcoin.

If I were you I would buy bitcoin since it's price growth is faster than gold and others but if you want to lessen the risk and if you don't trust bitcoin yet, I think it would be good if you would diversify your investments to all of what you mentioned. If you would buy bitcoin, I recommend that you wait a little for a price dump so that you can buy cheaper bitcoins unlike now that bitcoin is table to 1083$ that might go down a little before going up.

Obviously you only made this post to compel some people to post repeatedly about how Bitcoin is amazing and everyone should buy Bitcoin and nothing is better than Bitcoin, which seems to be about half the posts on Bitcoin Discussion anyway.

In reality, not everyone has the same circumstances and not everyone should buy the same thing.  Bitcoin is great if you're comfortable with risks, but if you want stability, your only choice is gold.  Bitcoin can't rise exponentially all the time and there have to be legitimate reasons for its rise - the observation that it has risen does not indicate future rises and now that it is worth a lot, its market cap would have to be well over 35 billion dollars for the price to double again, but it's still too small for stability which is why it's known for being so volatile.

If people can't handle the pressure they shouldn't buy, and no one should put all of their money into Bitcoin but instead at least keep a backup for if it ever fails.

first of all your timing is wrong starting from 2013 which is clearly in the bubble period and a fake price. you should start at least in 2014-2015 to be after the bubble and inside the real price. you can consider $200 as bottom and $1100ish as current price and make the comparison again!

also as an investment you should always diversify. if real estate is good in your area then do that, if stocks are good then do that, etc on top of investing in bitcoin.

Gold is a stable asset and is not only an investment - it should be viewed as safe storage away from fiat currency.

Bitcoin is different because its price is mostly based on its utility.  People can invest and join based on the fact that it should be deflationary, but because Bitcoin's price is mostly based on its utility rather than its physical existence or sentimental value, the price can fluctuate wildly and potentially drop too much if there were ever problems in the network.  It's also important that Bitcoin is young and has not fully matured to be a stable asset yet.

So people should only buy Bitcoin if they can handle the risks and want to enjoy themselves.  Serious investors will rightfully put their money into a variety of different investments rather than just whichever one goes up the most, because if they lose it all it could be very damaging, and with Bitcoin there's a reasonably significant chance of that eventually happening.

only gold and bitcoin are global and its price is moving the same all over the world, other markets you mentioned are country dependent (i admit i don't know what Bonds are!).

for example the Stocks market in my country had a pretty rought year last year and people were losing a lot of money in it. or for example the Real estate market has been bad for the past 6 months to a year but it is very good and profitable in some areas in general in my country.

and as for which to invest in we all obviously know bitcoin has been the most profitable but it also have been the riskier one which needs to be considerd when investing.

If I am to choose, I will go for real estate because that I am sure that even if the price falls, my house is till there and I could sell but at the same time the rate of increase in the price of bitcoin is not something anyone could have foresaw as even at at today, no one knows what will happen afterwards in the next hour but hopefully I would share my resources in other to minimize my exposure to risks.

If here everyone will give his own Review then everyone will give own opinion to choose . Here I myself never choose  real estate Because the risk with the real estate is total non understanding thing for me and Secondly I am not much experienced in this field .
Here I will choose only bitcoin here because I know everything and every logic of the bitcoin to handle it in any way from the profit to more profit and loss to profit .

i'm a bit biased but here i always go with bitcoin, it has an enormous potential for the future, people can't think about it now, like it was not possible to think about it when bitcoin was born

but it's the same thing, only a matter of different digit number that will be seen as a result of the greater usage of bitcoin, that is ahead of us

i would not choose any other thing currently, to invest in, bitcoin is all the way for me, and its decentralization prevent it from dying(in value) actually, many haven't realize it yet...

Bitcoin for (relatively) short term. But to really go long and (if you know what youre doing) safe...I'd say real estate. Remember, God ain't making any more 😁. Gold can be funky too...sometimes people seem to forget that. And gold can be harder to hide and/or sell. Liquidity is king!
 Buy, rent, have tenants pay mortgage, repeat and then sell in 30 years or keep renting for income.
Full disclosure: all my speculation is biased. Also, where you live would obviously need to be factored into the equation if you're thinking real estate

which one to buy is never a simple question with a simple answer.
there are traders who are making millions by trading Gold, meanwhile there are others who bought gold and lost money! and the same goes for anything else.

where you live and also when you want to get in and how long you plan on holding are the questions that needs answering.

bitcoin is obviously a good choice since it is like buying stocks of a big company like facebook or google when it was super cheap and nobody know what they were. so obviously there is a lot of growth potential there when it comes to long term.

A house.

You need to live somewhere - so if you are not paying a mortgage, you are paying rent.

The feeling you get when you have paid off your mortgage is fantastic - suddenly you have your shelter sorted, which means your disposable income rises (no mortgage or rent to pay) and you can take more risks (work part time, and so on).

Always sort your shelter first, and then move on to other investments.

Well for me if you've got enough for buying a house & lot , go buy with it already. It's the best investment, the increase of the value of where you home is standing is guaranteed.

But if you don't have enough for purchasing with it, go with bitcoin the growth is very quick.

Regardless of the figures you have stated in the OP, it all depends on the level of your capital and how much risk you are willing to expose yourself to. In most cases people with the largest capitals tend to choose a relatively lower risk investment opportunity. In this case a large initial investment can still yield you decent profits even though the ROI is just 3-5%. Bitcoin on the other hand is a high risk investment, which lends itself perfectly for lower initial investments as the returns that you can gain are (in potential) higher than everything else.

dont forget bitcoin's price action between 2014 - 2016.

No reason why this cant happen again

https://i.imgur.com/NDi8LqO.jpg

Thank you MarkJ.


Thank you, that is a good point, apply capital on a risk-weighted basis.

On that subject of risk, what is everyone's thoughts on limiting bitcoin's risk brought up in these two posts?
"Hacks & puppets & forks - how to destroy bitcoin": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1834310.0)

 "How give scaling & buy coffee with Pokemon Go or Gold or Stocks or ...please?": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1851655.0 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1851655.0)

Thoughts?

The advise is good but consider the fact that the entry is really important to make some profit and you have to enter at the best time possible ,it is true that bitcoin is the most profitable source of investment when you compare everything and it is simply because it is the new kid in the block and it has expanded its potential pretty soon. :)

It is always safe to divide risk.
So having some strong resistance in safest one, real estate is great.
I think gold has already finished its profitable phase, I left it completely personally.
stocks are all about your home country, if your home country goes really bad and in crash phase, it is good to buy strong stocks for future.
And for fun, always invest a bit in bitcoin. Bitcoin teaches you huge lessons in economy, so quickly (cause of its highly manipulative structure)

It's starting to look like a proper handle.

I'm a fan of a diversified plan, which would mean you own various kinds of assets as opposed to investing all in just one. This way you can have some insurance if one class goes through a really bad period.

Gold and real estate have the longest track record, bitcoin the shortest.

Stocks are probably the easiest investment to make and possibly the hardest to understand well.

bitcoin and real estate are good as investments in my opinion. you buy them and hold for long term and enjoy a big profit specially if you get in early in bitcoin or buy the real estate in an up and coming neighborhood.

but others such as stocks and gold are best to be traded by day traders who can, and to make short term profit in my opinion. because most of the time holding these things won't give you much profit. for example gold has been the same price last year as it is now with a little increase.

i like also to diversificate but i want to keep my diversification in crypto not stocks or forex, and i choose altcoin when i want to put my money on different assets, i find that it's more easy to invest in crypto than forex or other, you don't need ID or any thing like that, it's hassles-free and can be doen by anyone quickly

Right now, best thing to buy is bitcoin, as the hardfork drama is going on and price has fallen from $1200+ to $1080.
So after this drama gets over in near future, price will surely surge back to the previous high.

How much do you have to invest?

What's your time horizon? I.e., how long can or do you want to keep this money invested?

Do you already own stocks, houses, gold, bonds, or Bitcoin?

How much risk are you comfortable taking - e.g., if you knew you could lose 20% of your investment but have the opportunity to gain 30%, would you do it?

I'd need some more information before I could offer advice. If you haven't thought about these questions, you should!

It depends upon how money you have to invest . Real estate investment is not an easy one and require high capital which everyone cannot afford. I mostly recommend people to invest in bitcoins as a low income person can also get in this business and earn handsomely.

Ofcourse bitcoin Because with the bitcoin I can do everything that is listed in your list .
I myself find the other things not much better then bitcoin .
In my opinion the best thing in the bitcoin is that you can hold it as like the gold ( which is more profitable than gold) .
And also I find the bitcoin hold is more better then to have shares in the bug Companies as an assests Because they are filled with many taxes .
Overall here I will say I I'll select only one that is bitcoin and nothing , Because this is bitcoin that changes my life  .

if only buy in stock exchange market or this mean online market bitcoin the best safe asset and the best return
but if house or real estate is real building, house the best safe asset but about return bitcoin still the best

I think the drama is over, for now. The price is increasing in a steady phase. So it likely that the price will surely pick up to where it was pre-ETF and maybe more. If I have big money to invest, I would go to real estates. Because real estate rise in value overtime so this is a good investment options.
You can even rent it to others so to generate more income.Once you have several properties, it becomes easier to purchase and manage more properties. So for me, houses or real estate for long term investments.

Prince fluctuations you are referring to are very short-term phenomenon - look at price from the long-term perspective. Bitcoin is the ultimate GLOBAL store of value asset, you can see what it has done these last 8 years....how about think of where the price will be in the next 8 years?

Bitcoin can be transmitted/transferred via a simple communications channel without requiring an intermediary. You cannot do that with real estate.

Buy that one which have a high profit for you and in that case the answer you gave yourself in the OP which is 'buy only bitcoin' for getting the profit. Buying others will be the waste of time if they will not have a much profit and at that time bitcoin will continue to award a high profit to its users.

The drama wont be over until a solution is found where we could transact faster and with low fees and until then we will see these sort of drama popping up and the price would swing according to that and on the other hand if you are holding millions then real estate investment are a good platform if you are looking for a long term investment and when it comes to gold you dont expect a massive swing in price any time soon,every investment has its own risk and it all depends upon how your mentality and understanding is regarding each investment.

Love bitcoin, but you can't build a house out of it or the other things.  I say get some real estate if you can afford it.   The housing market is still down, so it's probably a good bet.

There are support services in purchasing of house, properties, bonds in exchange of bitcoin. The same is possible with ones own effort of finding a person who wishes to make such an trade. Recently an bitcoin enthusiast bought a house for bitcoin and profited few billions which helped him afford a Lamborghini.

All of these investments are great and can produce a lot of profits. I would suggest to invest in each one of them and you never know from where you will get more profit anytime.

What would be a suggested allocation?

20% bitcoin
20% real estate/house
20% stocks
20% government (fixed income) bonds
20% corporate (fixed income) bonds

None of the investments is the best, and is unbeatable.
Price of every asset can decrease and increase, it may turn out that you will have negative profit on one particular investment.

To repair the damages, you need to remember about very important rule in money management, you just simply need to diversify your funds.
If you invest in gold, stable stocks and bitcoin, you may lose even on two of these assets, but one of them will recover the loss you have made.
That is why you should never put all your eggs in one basket.

Yes, this is the right approach for profitable investment. I keep my eggs in different baskets :D

Why not just invest into bitcoins with maximum share like 60 to 80% and rest of all with 5% each ?
I always do not want to miss any promising opportunities. At the same time I want to make use of high yield opportunities. By considering these two I believe going bitcoin the maximum would be the right option in order to secure myself always in the race.

If I were you OP I would diversify my investment and buy bitcoin 50%, real estates 25%, and gold 25% because these three has the most secured value among those mentioned so therefore there are lesser risk of losing money. Real estates value will always remain since the population is growing everyday and of course gold has been the best to store wealth and earn some money in return of holding it. Bitcoin will be good to hold long term or to day trade so that you will have more profit.

stocks: i would prefer some of the companies like AMD which will be soon going up and/or having a stable return. for houses, it is not a great deal when other people need houses (better not to invest, subject to the lawful problem). for gold, i will be buying some, but the gold outside the earth is unlimited. for bitcoin, it has nothing backed but can only be a great investment for up to 20~30 years until it is saturated. for bonds, buy some 30 years.

the state has power, inclusive but not limited to legal power, to take all your houses, gold and bonds

with Bitcoin things are different

better have something than nothing in the worst case scenario, in my opinion

i would suggest you to invest in bitcoins and real estate .well if you have real estate like your own house , it may take time but it will return more than double than the current price.
bitcoins have high returns and the time taken is also less.

Well of course people on here would recommend you to buy Bitcoin. But I think that stocks and real estate is really good as well. I personally invest in stocks, but I know people who have some real estate investments and they have made quite a lot of money from i as well. 

You pretty much answered your own question, when it comes to money we need to be pragmatic, so we need to choose the one that give to us the biggest earnings and that is without a doubt bitcoin at the moment and that will be true for quite some time.

As quoted bitcoin and real estate is my pick too, because both grows based on increasing user requirement and the time period. Even if market fluctuates we can get rid of the loss, because sure we can get back the amount invested at least. Bitcoin too same the fluctuation make price move up and down but the patience and believing in it gives the assured profit.

If we list them based on appreciation rate then we will get a list in this order : bitcoin, real estate, stocks /bonds and gold. Gold and stocks are getting their appreciations based on demand but as per the current situation they are not performing well. Real estate is also this kind but the returns will be very huge compared to gold/stocks/bonds.

As per the diversifying thumb rule, I will invest in all these and based on the order I will allocate more percentage to the first one and very less percentage to the last one.

The only it has value for me is gold. The house and be burned, the bitcoin can stop exist if the internet turned down. Only gold has serious value, no matter what. And it is in my plans to buy some gold.

Buying gold is a good option too, but if you see the chart then it is very easy to see how bitcoin has outperformed every single one of the other options even if you put them together they don’t add to the amount of winnings bitcoin would have give to you.

They are all in a positive performance so picking any of the above mentioned is a good idea. And it is better for any investment portfolio to have diversity, so having a part of your money invested on each of them is a good idea.

I'd go with Bitcoin. Seems to have more potential for earnings. And it's low maintenance as well. With houses/real estate, there's lots of paperwork, maintenance, property taxes, etc. No thanks. I'll just keep buying bitcoin and enjoy living my life.

If you do not mind risk, I can say Bitcoin is the best option on the profitability so I suggest to buy Bitcoin.   Comparing the possible price increase of the given option, Bitcoin has the most possibility to increase in price multiple time.  Aside from that you are holding the access to your investment through private keys directly without any 3rd party people.  So you ca freely do whatever you want to your investment anytime you wanted.

If you really think everything is going to burn and the internet is going away, I'd buy bullets before I bought gold. And water - lots of water.

Which one to buy? Stocks Houses Gold or Bitcoin or Bonds?

Bitcoin & property, you can't go wrong with bricks & mortar. Look how much bitcoin has risen in the last 18 months or so. We were at $200 dollars not all that long ago. Get on the train before it's too late.

Hugh? ---> The United States housing bubble was a real estate bubble affecting over half of the U.S. states. Housing prices peaked

in early 2006, started to decline in 2006 and 2007, and reached new lows in 2012. A lot of people lost a lot of money and the banks

made a killing. Bitcoin is not a sure thing either.... but I think for the next 1 or 2 years we might still see some good profits.  ???

A mixture of several of those or all of those is probably the best option. It also depends on how much risk you are willing to take. Higher risk might be investing in more Bitcoins or stocks, whereas a house or gold might be lower risk.

Out of these option it is Bitcoin that can easly generate the biggest profits. You just buy and hold it and expect huge return in the near future.
The downside of BTC is is potential instability and volatility, while price is constantly growing it can be hindered by negative news or legal restrictions

The safest option from your list is Real Estate Market, but it is not for everyone, you need to be already rich to be able to purchase a property.

Gold, bonds - not worth the time, profit is only good to kill inflation rate.

I will recommend you to buy bitcoin.. Bitcoin is FUTURE!

Lets say, if you buy gold... then what you have to do is to hold the gold for price increase and then sale.

But if you buy bitcoin, then you can do a lot of things to grow your bitcoins.
Moreover bitcoin price is increasing itself daily.

That is the issue with bubble you want to buy when the bubble is beginning to form or in the middle not at the top when the bubble is about to burst, every time I see an investment being recommended on TV then I know is time to look for something else, so when the shows about investments begin to talk about bitcoin being a sure thing then that is the time to leave for other investments.

Right time to buy is a since! Where is the start of the bubble, where is the peak its not easy to see, at least not for us ordinary people. I would go with bitcoin here, bitcoin have much more potential then all other suggestions. Nothing is a sure thing, but without risk we can not make big profit. Graphic shows reality, bitcoin price is very unstable, that is a big risk for investors, but bitcoin bringing the highest profit in the same time. With gold you have your money locked, little profit with much less risk.

You have made the three proposals and,I would say go for all of them. I'd say all this investments are good and the best option is always to split your available funds in order to avoid as much risk as you can. Never keep all your eggs in just one basket. You just have to decide on ratio of investment and at the moment the largest sum I would put in Bitcoins.

I too would recommend to buy bitcoins instead of other assets.I would advice not to wait for any dumps as dumps would be very rare here after and waiting for dumps would lead to buy bitcoins at much higher price.Only bullish trend would continue here after.

Although I am not rich, I try to diversify whatever I have into several asset classes, with different levels of risks involved. Bitcoin is the latest form of investment that I have in addition to what I have already: stocks, mutual funds, and a small time deposit. Bitcoin has given me the highest return but its volatility is something that I can't risk putting my money all into it.

A couple of BTC (20-100) is a good investment. But never put all eggs in one basket (BTC).
Diversity is key.

I traded some BTC against physical gold to lock-in some profits and rebalance my portfolio after the recent price rise.

Don't diversify too much. Focus on Bitcoin, there will be another global economic crisis, probably withing next 5 years.
Global economy hasn't been fixed at all, managers and banks never learned their lesson after 2008 crisis.
Soon bonds, stocks and fiat money could be totally worthless - only Bitcoin, a system which is not a part of official market will survive.

I never said it was easy but there are some ways if you use technical analysis different metrics may indicate that the price should be higher and so you buy with the expectation the price goes higher in the next day and weeks, if you are lucky you could catch the beginning stages of a bubble and make a lot of money that way.

What made you think bonds, stocks and fiat money will be totally worthless?  Honestly there is more possibility that bitcoin will be the first one to be worthless once it does not solve its scalability issue.  But of course being bitcoin enthusiast, i will choose Bitcoin because of its uptrend price.  Hoping scalability issue fixed and political drama between two camps fades.

For me, Bitcoin is the best, whatever people say about bitcoin. Because i have been done stocks, Forex trading and also gold. But i realize bitcoin is a best way. Because you could start investment with bitcoin in a less capital and could make money from it in a high level. And the best thing about bitcoin, it is more easy to earn than others investments.          

That is an option if you have a big capital and if you do then you are already doing well, for most of use we cannot choose all the options since we don’t have the capital and even if it is more risky to keep all our money in a single investment the rewards are very tempting.

Well everyone stepping into a business is for to earn not to lose all what you have but, you also cannot deny the factor of risk with every investment that you make. Risk is always there with the investment, no investment in the world is 100% safe. Keeping this rule in mind you need to study things if you are just a dump person and cannot determine or forecast the future of any business after studying it. You just need to do a SWOT analysis and you fill find the answer by yourself.  

We are all bitcoin enthusiasts indeed. No one came here or just began to invest just for fun, we all expect some plus, and when it's bigger then it's better for us. All investment is risky and all this gold-bitcoin-bonds are risky. I would share my capital to invest in each by parts, cause of you never know which one will sky rocket and which one will bring you just costs.

Yes, the charming characteristics of the bitcoin is that you don’t need a huge capital to invest. You can start with a few hundred dollars while can enjoy the crunch of a high return and even the charm is enhanced when it adds additional earnings to your capital. For me like many others it is a most suitable investment, where the net worth of my capital increases time to time and I also make enough from it to drive my life well.

Unlike many people here, I love to go against the diversification of basic investment principle. Because I'm having much sites with bitcoin's future. I will choose only bitcoins to invest for next 20 years.

Well you can give first preference to the bitcoin as it's the one that provides an assured profiting based on the time difference from  buying​. One who can afford few number of bitcoin can easily make a good earning periodically based on the price increase just keeping the one we bought within the wallet which is not possible with other such methods.

For those who are risk bearers, who don’t hesitate to take risk the bitcoin is the best asset for them. Due to the fluctuating feature of the bitcoin some people may think of it to invest in it or something else but a risk taking and market understanding person will never let this opportunity go. Even these who have avoid to invest in their past in it are now crying for it.

Apparently none of those according to zerohedge:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-29/last-remaining-cheap-asset

The article does not mention bitcoin since it is an highly speculative asset but it says that every other asset out there already overpriced because of the FED's money printing policy. Every other asset but "grain".
It doesn't make sense to me to fill my home with grain bags though it might become handy in wwIII.

If all assets are overpriced, Bitcoin is too. Because of quantitative easing, money has flown into almost all assets.
The only reason why grain prices haven't taken off is that governments will not allow a basic need like food to become very expensive. 

You forget one circumstance that it is the government that is cashing in on the sale of food products, including grain, and the people of the country that is the producer.

Yes I agree bitcoin is the most profitable investment at current. It also doesn’t need a huge amount to invest as capital and the opportunities of periodic earnings are no doubt makes it favorite among the investors. It is the big advantage of the bitcoin that even with a low budget you can start earning from your investment.

Prices are trading at $1570 right now. It means you got doubled if you have invested with bitcoins some 6 months back, will it possible with any other investments ?

If I have all the money to invest, I would definitely spread it across investment instruments that have different risk levels. I would even start a few businesses or go into franchising or  just be an angel investor. But bitcoin seems to be one of the highest yielding investments right now, especially if you were able to buy even by September last year when the price was idled at $600.

definitely bitcoins for the long term.

I don't trust houses because they are in a bubble state everywhere across the world right now, and there is really nobody actually living in these investment houses. All they are bought for is holding value or renting out, the buyer is rarely the actual people living there.

And gold? Bitcoin is like digital gold, it's gold v2.0 because it is more portable, more divisible. Bitcoin has better potential as well.

Bonds? Way too small of a return on your investment.

I am a fan of diversified plan. But if I had to choose one, I will go with bitcoin. I think housing market is a bubble ready to burst. Gold is pretty but of no use to me and stock market needs experience. Moreover, the brightest future is of bitcoin. Bitcoin to go.

Gold is a security, bitcoin is an investment.
Holding both is the way to go.

If I have 100%, the first I buy is 50% gold. Shares or the remaining 30% bond I bought bitcoin. Gold provides long-term benefits, savings for my son someday.

I don’t agree the SWOT analysis can be done by anyone else; it can only be done by that business entity by itself. How would you know the Strength, Weakness, opportunities and threat of any business?

The SWOT may not perfect because of such elements that are known only by the organization personnel. I agree to the study and research about the business and then analyze the best for investment, but this will not be SWOT it will be critical analysis which can be really helpful.

Gold will Not make you any significant profit, however it will protect you against the devaluation of paper cash and therfore allow you to retain value you already had....

To gain a larger stack in a reasonable time frame, use crypto or the stock market or both

Move the wealth into gold for safekeeping after you make it
Gold alone is Historically a bad investment but a good store of value although people who bought it for $1800 in 2011 are still deeply in the red and might still take several years to break even never mind profit...

Isn't the optimal solution be finding the historical efficient frontier using these different asset classes and then find an ideal allocation % to apply to each of the types of assets?

There's a free tool available to do just this. VERY POWERFUL;
google backtest for the portfolio visualizer website

And explore, use the tools around there.

Nothing can beat bitcoin performance this year, as the chart mention the risng was faster than anything in ths world, so with no hesitation I will say bitcoin, the main point of investment is making profit, so we need to choose something that can make the best profit

Agreed, nothing could beat the performance of bitcoin. A comparison will help one understand which is the best, because I too believe in around the same time period of around 9 years property too could have not given such a growth so I too prefer it to be the best of all.

But it seems to me that I still need to buy Both then and the other And the third. If all your finances are divided into 3 parts, you meet yourself from some problems at least 1 investment.

UPDATED CHART:
http://i67.tinypic.com/152bwr8.png


BTC vs S&P US Stocks vs Gold vs US Bonds


,,,,which to buy & hold?

Another update (though this chart shows old stale bitcoin price of 2800 (vs 3200 trading level today)):

https://s2.postimg.org/969uuysqx/Screen_Shot_2017-08-05_at_4.08.06_PM.png

How should we invest?

Everything above except bonds. Why? Bonds typically have a high risk/reward ratio almost equivalent to equities, yet the potential rewards are really low. In the event of a company going bankrupt,  bondholders do indeed have higher priority than stockholders in getting something back, but this does not really matter if shit hits the fan and all the company's assets are wiped out. Further more, bonds and stocks have a really high correlation historically.

Bitcoin is the right pick. Whether the price of bitcoin increases or decreases never think about it, just invest into it. In my thinking only the user who have trusted and invested into it has profited big. The earlier we invest into bitcoin the biggest will be the profit we make with respect to time.

It's more than just invest:
1) Must educate
2) and be engaged against attacks


For example, here is a PSA I would give for a small example of an attack on Bitcoin;
PSA: Beware of S2xGarzik-Coin hardfork (and similar failures ie Garzikcoin aka BIP 100, Bitcoin Unlimited)
These attacks of using "community" urgency have been relentless since 2015:
http://i64.tinypic.com/2v9rsxg.jpg


From Chainalysis now Skry now Bloq now Segwit2x (Jeff Garzik):

    Founded in 2014, Chainalysis is the leading provider of Anti-Money Laundering software for Bitcoin. With offices in New York and Copenhagen, we work with global financial institutions, like Barclays and Bitcoin exchanges to enable every stakeholder to assess risk in this new economy.
credit: baronofbitcoin

Opens door for AML, easy identification, etc. Things so traditional authorities identify you, classify you, and shut you down, FREEZE YOUR ASSETS, lock you up.  Just because they don't like you for not supporting the traditional Bank Swift network or a Bankchain.

Bitcoin's consensus system and natural economic incentives PROTECT the real bitcoin.



Repeated History: Reading references (emphasis mine);
http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/29/the-economics-of-sinking-garzikcoin-aka-bip-100/ (http://www.contravex.com/2015/08/29/the-economics-of-sinking-garzikcoin-aka-bip-100/)
Adam T. says:   
August 30, 2015 at 8:49 AM   

“pre-emptive strike” — best characterization I’ve seen yet to describe the odd feeling of urgency from certain parties.
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    Pete Dushenski says:   
    August 30, 2015 at 10:11 AM   

    Odd indeed. Almost like these overgrown children seriously imagine that Bitcoin didn’t reach escape velocity 2.5 years ago and that they can rewrite history if only they obtain enough “consensus” on social media. Must suck to think that’s how the world works.


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Bitcoin is an obvious choice as the global fiat system has been broken. Governments, Central Banks, Spy agencies along with media have for years tried their hardest to shutdown bitcoin by regulating it, by either legalizing it or by making it illegal, by banning exchanges, by putting out negative statements, and then trying to (ironically) attach bad uses of it (where in truth the fiat system funds all the criminal-activity drugs and bombs in the world). All these entities will continue doing this for years to come and everyone will see that the impact on Bitcoin was minimal at best. No better escape from broken fiat than Bitcoin.

That is a very interesting comment!
Disregard the "safety" and diversifying correlation aspects of Bonds?

I mean one could say bonds would still be crucial for efficient portfolio construction...
Maybe something like:
14% allocated to Bitcoin
1% allocated to altcoin
38% allocated to Bonds  (including ST Commercial Paper)
30% Stocks
10% Real Estate
7% Gold/Precious Metals
 

Another thing to think about, as I have recently. If the impact of all major currencies that have been QE'd over the last decade is that inflation is starting to bleed into and be felt in the world economies.

That would mean that virtually ALL other equities/assets, even if they are experiencing bubble valuations in the short term, will continue to melt up over the long term unless some sort of global crisis brings their fiat value down like a house of cards. And that may never happen, if the Powers That Be in control of the world financial markets continue to have controlled demolitions and keep the markets buoyed and the fiat printing machines going. We may see a few corrections here and there along the way, but the insiders who know rising inflation is the real enemy will keep BTFD and things will continue onward and upward in the markets.

In other words, perhaps within the next decade it's not equities, commodities, and assets (including Bitcoin) so much rising in value as it is the local currencies falling in purchasing power?

Take a look at Venezuela's 5 year stock market chart:
https://tradingeconomics.com/venezuela/stock-market

If you think it thoroughly, maybe there are something that you need to be consider, for a short term it really gives a lot of profit, a very big profit that no other investment ever reach in a short time, but crypto currency is very volatile investment, and there are still many rejection, gold is the best investment for a very long time, while real estate need to have maintenance and big capital to start, you can't buy partly or fraction of the house, bonds or stocks is too much risk especially when you are not really active, I still stick with Bitcoin and alt coins for short term and hold for a very long term investment

In the meantime, i still need bitcoin as an income farm. Because, i am not including people who prosper economically. However, if home or stock intends to be a diversified investment destination. That's a good plan.

If you have a lot of bitcoin in your wallet for sure you will earn a lot of profit in the future. So if you have extra money in your pocket its better if you buy bitcoin now. Dont choose other, bitcoin gives you opportunity to earn big and fast. Other bsusiness or investment needd more time or few years before you earn . Bitcoin as of now is indemand investment of all people who are willing to earn money.

Interesting points. This is also early adoption phase as there's approximately <1% world population engaging in Bitcoin. Bitcoin will see higher highs every 5 years, period.

I do not want to invest my whole investment in one thing. I usually set the money to invest. I split this money into 4 or 5 pieces. Stocks Houses Gold and Bitcoin and Bonds and Altcoin.

If I have a lot of money and are given the option to vote, I will confidently choose to invest my money for bitcoin, I will buy as much bitcoin as many predict that bitcoin prices will rise again later this year. even if I have to wait until 2018, I will do so. the reason is because bitcoin price will continue increase.This is bitcoin, long term investment.

anyone else want to put up an updated chart?

As an investor, i want to have all of those invrestments, since there is a big probability that we could earn from them, however i would take into consideration of prioritizing them, for me, k would prioritize bitcoin, as of now, since it still hasn't reached 100k usd, it still is considered cheap, and i will use, some of gains in bitcoin into buying stocks and bonds, since they can be considered a short term investment, and with the gains.i'll be making, i'll buy more bitcoins and in time, buy gold, however, for a house, i would suggest to use another method, you can use your own money or loan from a bank, but if you don't want to invest in a house yet, i wouod suggest this brakdown, 50% for bitcoin, 30 % stocks/bonds/ gold, 10% for savings and 10% for tithes, sine this method has been effective with me, if you don't agree you're still free to make your own, however i much prefer divide and conquer.

Given the facts, I think it really boils down to your preferences either for short-term or long-term investments. Do remember that each type of investments has their own set of risks to consider. For example, bonds may be the most secured type of investment due to its nature being on the bank but profit wise, it might be longer.
On the other hand, bitcoin may yield you the highest profit but the security of payment is not secured compared to the others.
Personally, I would half my investments into two, like one for bonds and the other for bitcoins for safety purposes but if you plan for long-term then bitcoin is the way to go.

This is very good decision never been spend in just one thing you need to manage things for your secure future and work for more options because one investment can bring you on footpath currently investing in bitcoin is good but better do investment in some other options also like Gold and Bonds houses can implement you some taxes

You answered your own question with that graph, in the first place is bitcoin, the stock market and real estate are very close so I will prefer to buy real estate over stocks, so real estate will be in second place for me, then gold, gold is a great store of value and it can skyrocket depending on the circumstances, then stocks, and even if bonds are the last option I will never buy bonds I do not believe in the ability of the government to pay me back.

Bitcoin has out perform every other illiquid assets and it take few years to get to were it is today. I have been trading forex and commodities and I have never get good return the way I got from bitcoin. I have seen that buying bitcoin at any time now is good as in years to come ,were we are today will be like a child's play compare to were we would be in 5 to 10 years to come. We cannot really said this in Stock and other assets.

This is why bitcoin is unique and have got more attention and popularity, because of its volatility in price there is a huge scope of trading here to earn a good profit through your investment. Gold has a stable price and price growth is not rapid like bitcoin, also the profit percentage in gold is lower than bitcoin, so i will prefer bitcoin to buy as an investment instead of gold and bonds.

True bitcoin is growing this much with such a low amount of the people getting into bitcoin, once the rest of the population follows there is no limit to the price bitcoin is going to reach and this is proven by the amazing year that has been 2017 for bitcoin and altcoins, and it seems bitcoin still has the strength to go up in value once more before the end of the year.

Anyone want to post an updated comparison pic here?

The answer will depend on your situation, if you do not own a house, and you feel that you can own one, while investing, i suggest to do so, however make sure that it will benefit you, it should not be taking a lot of money from you, be sure you can afford it, if not, might as well rent. If you think you can handle an investment with a high volatility and are sure that you create a huge profit,  invest in bitcoin, if you do not trust bitcoin, invest on stocks, that is, if you can handle the volatility as well and you trust the companies you are going to buy, but if you are a very conservative person, and just want your money to grow without loosing much of yout capital, invest in bonds. As an investor, you do not need to ask a lot of people in their opinion, since there are some whi can handle a great loss and some who don't, you need first to ask yourself what kind of an investor are you, if you do not understand it yet, better read books, and test yourself.

You should carry on with Bitcoin. I think Bitcoin​can help you to earn huge money. Nothing is better than Bitcoin in this time. User and popularity of bitcoin is increasing day by day. Price will be increasing it is now sure.

[EDIT: Updated chart below thru to early December (BTC performance now +1700%):

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this! exactly! hits all the high note!
yeah mate your absulotely a 100% correct about that. bitcoin is the most powerful investment tool among others out there. bitcoin can make you a multi billionaire in no time , only if you have a faith on it and you can or willing to take the risk to put all your eggs in one basket. why invest on something that cant give you a much better return for your invested capital ? why invest on something , even if you actually know that you cant earn on it as much as bitcoin can give you?

we shoudl buy bitcoin only and the next is a low marketcap alt that is solid and future proof like supply chain

Bitcoin should be the top priority because it will boost your finances. In the previous three months bitcoin has provided a profit of more than 80% to the investors. Bitcoin beside going very well should not be the only focused area of investment for anyone. There are a lot of other opportunities as well which could be availed for the reason to diversify your funds. Putting all the eggs in one basket is never a wise decision.

I will choose bitcoin over real state investment because of rapid price increase performance for this year than real state, we should strike while the iron is hot especially that the speculated value for next year was $15K to $20K. Indeed, no one knows what will happen of BTC future but the most importang thing is the current situation in which we have the opportunity to earn big in a decent and fast way. Anyway, after i earn big thru bitcoin of course some earnings will be use to buy a big house or invest it in real states to strengthen my assets.

Better to buy bitcoin because price increasing fast and will earn a lot

for long term house better

Well there's a wise investment adage - do not put all your eggs in one basket.

I think this should be applied for ownership across all asset classes, thus should buy ALL of the above...but perhaps have a higher allocation towards bitcoin to take advantage of the return.

Invest and save with a 3 to 5-year time horizon at the minimum.

I don't have so much info with Stocks and bonds but I can see clearly that bitcoin  rules them all.

definitely bitcoin for sure. not bonds at all. bonds would be pretty much the worse option in the coming year.

Isn't it worth it to diversify amongst these asset classes?

It is entirely up to you to decide which investment you want to put your money in, houses are a very safe investment but you need to take into consideration that you will have costs as well, and if you want to rent it you will need to deal with other people and sometimes people are not the nicest, gold is great but it does not generate income, bonds belong to governments and I will not trust them with my money, so it is not an easy decision.

sure it is bitcoin. fast and can make some dollar in short time.

it is better to use altcoin for safty when bitcoin correction.

I'd diversify. 50% real estate, 25% Bitcoin, 15% gold, 10% stocks. Good luck!

Yeah bitcoin is now first and last prior for everyone because the rate of profit of bitcoin is very high and it is making millionaire in small time and most of people are getting rich just because of bitcoin and one more thing all these investment had been defeated by bitcoin already their investors are already leaving an coming toward bitcoin to earn as much as they can so don’t do any stupidity no other has any future scope.

If you think the housing bubble is about to burst in your country then take advantage of that opportunity, be ready and have a lot of money stored away and buy when properties prices hit rick bottom if you do you could acquire a lot of properties that you could not get otherwise also even if you do not have a lot of use for gold it is a good idea to have some just in case.

good advice.

I think these days should be used for buying Bitcoin. Be in time to do it until it jumps to the Moon and you will regret!
Just need to have some patience.

Anyone want to do an updated chart for me?

The biggest catalyst that'd make BTC price skyrocket higher is simply move all your BTC to your PERSONAL bitcoin wallet (move off of Coinbase, Binance, Bitfinex, Square, Robinhood, CBOE/CME futures).

Fractional reserve, BTC lending, rehypothication is a bitch and can perpetually create no floor for prices by establishment market manipulators.

Plus if history is any indication, one these avenues will blow up and wreck the "holders" of bitcoin that really wasn't there because they failed to take such advice.

Take it off the exchanges and see what happens.