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Title: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Lancusters on April 05, 2017, 11:54:29 PM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Sithara007 on April 06, 2017, 03:29:13 AM
The F-35 is one of the biggest defense scandals in the History of the United States. The American tax payers spent more than $1.5 trillion on this project, and still all they are getting is an aircraft which is far inferior to the Su-35 and the Sukhoi PAK FA.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Idrisu on April 06, 2017, 06:09:14 AM
The F-35 is one of the biggest defense scandals in the History of the United States. The American tax payers spent more than $1.5 trillion on this project, and still all they are getting is an aircraft which is far inferior to the Su-35 and the Sukhoi PAK FA.
either f-37 or f-35 which were built for war is against humanity. Look at history of world war 1 and ww2 it left humanity worse than were we are coming from as a generation. We are praying for the day were love will rule humanity and not hate. All this aircraft are for killing of human beings not animal or destruction of mountain.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Lancusters on April 06, 2017, 07:49:23 AM
The F-35 is one of the biggest defense scandals in the History of the United States. The American tax payers spent more than $1.5 trillion on this project, and still all they are getting is an aircraft which is far inferior to the Su-35 and the Sukhoi PAK FA.
either f-37 or f-35 which were built for war is against humanity. Look at history of world war 1 and ww2 it left humanity worse than were we are coming from as a generation. We are praying for the day were love will rule humanity and not hate. All this aircraft are for killing of human beings not animal or destruction of mountain.
If you want peace prepare for war! In itself, nuclear weapons are a terrible evil, but his presence stopped the world war. Let's see how long the land has no global wars. Any army and any weapon will bring harm to people if you use them only on its territory.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Sithara007 on April 06, 2017, 08:08:59 AM
The F-35 is one of the biggest defense scandals in the History of the United States. The American tax payers spent more than $1.5 trillion on this project, and still all they are getting is an aircraft which is far inferior to the Su-35 and the Sukhoi PAK FA.
either f-37 or f-35 which were built for war is against humanity. Look at history of world war 1 and ww2 it left humanity worse than were we are coming from as a generation. We are praying for the day were love will rule humanity and not hate. All this aircraft are for killing of human beings not animal or destruction of mountain.

That argument goes both ways. Some nations claim that the only effective deterrent against an invasion by a rival country is to acquire nuclear weapons and other advanced defense equipment. That is why countries such as Iran and DPRK are working quite hard to develop them.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Challenger2015 on April 06, 2017, 09:54:48 AM
The F-35 is one of the biggest defense scandals in the History of the United States. The American tax payers spent more than $1.5 trillion on this project, and still all they are getting is an aircraft which is far inferior to the Su-35 and the Sukhoi PAK FA.
either f-37 or f-35 which were built for war is against humanity. Look at history of world war 1 and ww2 it left humanity worse than were we are coming from as a generation. We are praying for the day were love will rule humanity and not hate. All this aircraft are for killing of human beings not animal or destruction of mountain.

That argument goes both ways. Some nations claim that the only effective deterrent against an invasion by a rival country is to acquire nuclear weapons and other advanced defense equipment. That is why countries such as Iran and DPRK are working quite hard to develop them.
Not a problem when a country with nuclear weapons is democratic, but when nuclear weapons are in the hands of a dictator it could be a problem.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: canah17 on April 06, 2017, 10:25:45 AM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?

That's one serious thing they should protest that problem trump is not really thinking about the military problem if trump will really not purchase, the United States military aircraft will fall eventually. Maybe you're right that Putin and team trump but they are not thinking seriously and don't have the serious military mind to set.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Barrymore on April 06, 2017, 10:32:23 AM
Trump is a very strange person. I think he was still on the side of Russia. He says he wants to make America great, and weakens America's position in the world. If it is and would weaken America's military strength Putin will celebrate victory.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: darkseid1199 on April 06, 2017, 10:33:00 AM
The only thing detering countries from attacking each other is military might, Amassing weapons of large scale destruction is the means to bring peace and thats the irony of the whole. Weapons meant to kill people discourages us from making war.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Forester618 on April 06, 2017, 11:18:30 AM
The only thing detering countries from attacking each other is military might, Amassing weapons of large scale destruction is the means to bring peace and thats the irony of the whole. Weapons meant to kill people discourages us from making war.
I wouldn't categorically state that the presence of weapons is deterred from attacking the country. Just the existence of nuclear weapons change the tactics and strategy of modern warfare. With no nuclear weapons wars are fought now.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Xester on April 06, 2017, 01:56:19 PM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?

If the US army to world war 3 or they are planning to wage a war then they should purchase new high tech and powerful air weapons. But given the fact that Trump did not want to purchase new air battle crafts it simply means that Trump is not going to prepare for any war. But let us not insult Trump on this matter probably he has better plans for the army while lifting up the economy.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: PrintCoins on April 06, 2017, 02:43:25 PM
The US is always looking for a war. Going into countries without the right to do so (only because they're the US Army) and doing what they want and making up rules.
I read somewhere that last year the US spent for war something like around 140 trillion dollars, when world hunger could be ended with a su around 90 trillion.
War is the best business that the US is having, so of course that they are trying all strategies possible to make it happen.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: mindrust on April 06, 2017, 02:55:45 PM
Planes, Tanks, Missiles, Soldiers, Submarines, Helicopters, Soldiers all for nothing.

Lose or win, it doesn't matter. One way or the other, one of them is gonna use NUCLEAR and that is going to decide the winner.

Do you think Russia will let you go if USA were about to win the war with tanks? They will be losing anyway, so they'll drag you down with them. (Same for the USA  if the Russia were winning)


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Sithara007 on April 07, 2017, 04:02:08 AM
Not a problem when a country with nuclear weapons is democratic, but when nuclear weapons are in the hands of a dictator it could be a problem.

In this one also, I am not too sure. Till now, there has been only one incident of nuclear weapons being used against the civilian population. And the perpetrator was a "democratic" country. You can come up with all sort of excuses, but my heart still weeps about all those poor people who were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: cigaLeider on April 07, 2017, 10:01:33 AM
soon or later USA gonna send the world to hell


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Barrymore on April 07, 2017, 10:16:01 AM
Not a problem when a country with nuclear weapons is democratic, but when nuclear weapons are in the hands of a dictator it could be a problem.

In this one also, I am not too sure. Till now, there has been only one incident of nuclear weapons being used against the civilian population. And the perpetrator was a "democratic" country. You can come up with all sort of excuses, but my heart still weeps about all those poor people who were killed in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
And your heart accidentally not crying for the people who died from the Russian aggression in Georgia, Syria, Ukraine. Can long list of countries where Russian is killing people. I'm not saying Americans are angels, but to judge others need to be very clean.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: GreenBits on April 07, 2017, 12:51:27 PM
Trump is a very strange person. I think he was still on the side of Russia. He says he wants to make America great, and weakens America's position in the world. If it is and would weaken America's military strength Putin will celebrate victory.

It's not so much that he is undermining the military, in fact he intends to bolster spending. It's more that, as Big Brother to the entire world, we've had to straddle a fine diplomatic line with certain issues. We put out our position, but it's very vague, to allow wiggle room retroactively. Trump doesn't do so good with shades of grey. His tendency to commit, and then not budge is too stubborn/indelicate for American foreign politics. We have made an art of playing both sides of the fence, but the current administration seems to be departing from that. So all these bold positions coming out of America suddenly, about old things, must be a tad annoying for the rest of global leadership.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Forester618 on April 07, 2017, 01:16:52 PM
Americans during the attack on a Syrian airbase showed that their army is ready. The Russian myth about the fact that their latest anti-aircraft missile systems s-400 can withstand any attack was not wealthy. I think that this is not the last blow to Assad.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Eternu on April 07, 2017, 03:37:45 PM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?
I think there is much more about American military situation that we don't know, and it would be pointless to discuss about it. But one thing is for certain, America spend a lot on its military power, and i would say too much. And even with that much money spent they are not good in military capability. Its not just needed to give a person 10 000+ (or however much) dollars gear, that person need to be smart enough to use it too. Maybe american military tech is failing not because of old, but because its poorly made in first place.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Neon1822 on April 07, 2017, 03:54:18 PM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?
I think there is much more about American military situation that we don't know, and it would be pointless to discuss about it. But one thing is for certain, America spend a lot on its military power, and i would say too much. And even with that much money spent they are not good in military capability. Its not just needed to give a person 10 000+ (or however much) dollars gear, that person need to be smart enough to use it too. Maybe american military tech is failing not because of old, but because its poorly made in first place.
I doubt that American planes can't do. They fly a large part of the armies of the world. It's probably just junk or pilot error.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Eternu on April 07, 2017, 07:38:27 PM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?
I think there is much more about American military situation that we don't know, and it would be pointless to discuss about it. But one thing is for certain, America spend a lot on its military power, and i would say too much. And even with that much money spent they are not good in military capability. Its not just needed to give a person 10 000+ (or however much) dollars gear, that person need to be smart enough to use it too. Maybe american military tech is failing not because of old, but because its poorly made in first place.
I doubt that American planes can't do. They fly a large part of the armies of the world. It's probably just junk or pilot error.
Yes you are probably right about that plane crash, there is only that two options. But i was not talking about just a plane crash, i was speaking for United States Army in general, well at least that is my opinion. But in the end i never liked american army that much. Don't know why, but when they speak about there Marines they speak with proud, but i don't see them, and all i heard about them was funny and not near proud at all. But that is just me.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: MattScott on April 07, 2017, 07:48:15 PM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?
I think there is much more about American military situation that we don't know, and it would be pointless to discuss about it. But one thing is for certain, America spend a lot on its military power, and i would say too much. And even with that much money spent they are not good in military capability. Its not just needed to give a person 10 000+ (or however much) dollars gear, that person need to be smart enough to use it too. Maybe american military tech is failing not because of old, but because its poorly made in first place.
I doubt that American planes can't do. They fly a large part of the armies of the world. It's probably just junk or pilot error.
Yes you are probably right about that plane crash, there is only that two options. But i was not talking about just a plane crash, i was speaking for United States Army in general, well at least that is my opinion. But in the end i never liked american army that much. Don't know why, but when they speak about there Marines they speak with proud, but i don't see them, and all i heard about them was funny and not near proud at all. But that is just me.
In the American army as any other army's elite units and the common parts. I can assure you that the elite units of the us marine corps is really professionals.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: olubams on April 07, 2017, 08:01:17 PM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?

For me, I dont see how falling plane have to do with world war 3 although nations will have to as a matter of urgency make sure its arsenal is up to date but not because of world war and the reason is because world war3 will not be on the basis of your soldiers or war planes and tanks but its going to be about nuclear and anti nuclear weapons which might even mean the end of humanity depending on how far the world powers want to make it go...


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Sithara007 on April 08, 2017, 05:10:23 AM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?
I think there is much more about American military situation that we don't know, and it would be pointless to discuss about it. But one thing is for certain, America spend a lot on its military power, and i would say too much. And even with that much money spent they are not good in military capability. Its not just needed to give a person 10 000+ (or however much) dollars gear, that person need to be smart enough to use it too. Maybe american military tech is failing not because of old, but because its poorly made in first place.

The American defense budget is almost $600 billion per year, which is higher than the combined defense spending of Russia and China. But most of this fund is mismanaged or wasted in useless projects such as the F-35.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: gabmen on April 08, 2017, 11:55:34 AM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?
I think there is much more about American military situation that we don't know, and it would be pointless to discuss about it. But one thing is for certain, America spend a lot on its military power, and i would say too much. And even with that much money spent they are not good in military capability. Its not just needed to give a person 10 000+ (or however much) dollars gear, that person need to be smart enough to use it too. Maybe american military tech is failing not because of old, but because its poorly made in first place.

The American defense budget is almost $600 billion per year, which is higher than the combined defense spending of Russia and China. But most of this fund is mismanaged or wasted in useless projects such as the F-35.

Im curious as how that amount can make a really big change in a lot of more important things in the world like hunger and climate change. I don't have anything against strengthening national defense but as you've said a lot of this budget is put to waste which can be used to better the current world situation. Imagine if all countries would just do this.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Forester618 on April 08, 2017, 01:15:01 PM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?
I think there is much more about American military situation that we don't know, and it would be pointless to discuss about it. But one thing is for certain, America spend a lot on its military power, and i would say too much. And even with that much money spent they are not good in military capability. Its not just needed to give a person 10 000+ (or however much) dollars gear, that person need to be smart enough to use it too. Maybe american military tech is failing not because of old, but because its poorly made in first place.

The American defense budget is almost $600 billion per year, which is higher than the combined defense spending of Russia and China. But most of this fund is mismanaged or wasted in useless projects such as the F-35.
The F-35 is not a useless project. 11 countries in the world are buying these planes. Trump criticized them for a high price, but not for their quality. Russian propaganda tries to discredit them in the eyes of the Western world, but so far it did not happen.


Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: GreenBits on April 09, 2017, 12:57:51 PM
Today near Washington crashed American military aircraft. It turns out that the old planes are falling, and the purchase of new F-35 Tramp refused. Maybe this was agreed by Putin and his team Trump?
I think there is much more about American military situation that we don't know, and it would be pointless to discuss about it. But one thing is for certain, America spend a lot on its military power, and i would say too much. And even with that much money spent they are not good in military capability. Its not just needed to give a person 10 000+ (or however much) dollars gear, that person need to be smart enough to use it too. Maybe american military tech is failing not because of old, but because its poorly made in first place.

The American defense budget is almost $600 billion per year, which is higher than the combined defense spending of Russia and China. But most of this fund is mismanaged or wasted in useless projects such as the F-35.

Which makes me wonder about something. With this being the most funded military in the world, where is all this money going? We haven't had a major full scale boots on the ground effort since Iraq. Do we really give that much money to contractors and other private industries, to develop new technology for defense? It doesn't cost that much to pay the troops. Or feed them.

Why do we spend so much money with defense contractors? Why do we simply not create a new agency, and staff it with directly hired government employees? We could have avoided much of wikileaks with this strategy.

And now we are increasing defense spending under this administration by almost a quarter.



Title: Re: Are the Us army to world war 3
Post by: Sithara007 on April 09, 2017, 04:05:40 PM
The F-35 is not a useless project. 11 countries in the world are buying these planes. Trump criticized them for a high price, but not for their quality. Russian propaganda tries to discredit them in the eyes of the Western world, but so far it did not happen.

There have been several technical issues during the development of the F-35. A few have been given below:

http://www.businessinsider.in/The-New-F-35-Fighter-Jet-Can-Be-Taken-Down-Without-A-Bullet-Ever-Being-Fired/articleshow/30647298.cms

http://www.businessinsider.in/FBI-A-Chinese-Hacker-Stole-Massive-Amounts-Of-Intel-On-32-US-Military-Projects/articleshow/38499318.cms

On the other hand, the Russians have designed much superior aircraft for a fraction of the cost.