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This is juicy!   Enjoy kids!

http://telegra.ph/Inside-the-Dragons-Den-Bitcoin-Cores-Troll-Army-04-07

Core devs: 100 people making bitcoin better

jonald whatever: 10000000 posts shitposting and achieving nothing

Here is a better worth reading article:

https://medium.com/@WhalePanda/asicboost-the-reason-why-bitmain-blocked-segwit-901fd346ee9f

10 blockstream paid devs and 90+ unpaid interns that will blindly follow the paid devs in hopes for an interview and salary in the future

this channel exists and it has as a leader Craig Wright.
For real now. What are you smoking guys? can i have some. because it seems this staff is a non stop trip.

the craig wright things are distractions.

note that craig write drama always pops up right when there is a round table debate.

late 2015
mid 2016
early 2017

all of which were when there were round table closed door discussions just to avoid people asking about what was actually discussed in these closed door discussions

dont believe me.. ask yourself what has the community learned about the january 2017 round table.. apart from
http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-new-satoshi-nakamoto-rumors/

but anything actually bitcoin related was all hush hush

There is no such thing as the "Bitcoin Core Troll Army". My post from another thread:

lol Lauda
i know your trying to move up the ranks by getting your spell checking skills notice by blockstream, now that your no longer a forum staff member and looking for a new job.
but your "you're wrong because wrong" arrogant and meaningless and very empty rebuttles are foolishly not winning you favours

many people including myself have tried to ask you to learn c++
many have tried to help you evn by hinting things you could larn about bitcoin without having to know c++.. such as consensus
but a year on all you want to do is defend those in the DCG portfolio such as blockstream.. rather than defend bitcoins original diverse decentralised ethos.

you cannot explain away how the DCG portfolio group made their 'exchange' announcement about how they would handle a controversial fork
you cannot explain the bitcoin slack
you cannot explain the closed door round table meetings
you cannot explain the other stuff going around

so either just come forward and admit you dont care about bitcoins diverse and decentralised ethos and only want t defend the pockets of those VC investors behind blockstream
or
wise up, wake up and start caring about bitcoin.
because im afraid to tell you this. but blockstream are IN DEBT to the tune of $70m and trying to kiss ass with hopes of employment wont work

they are already planning their exit strategy, even one of their founders has jumped out (mattcorallo now with chaincode labs)
and soon enough blockstream will sell out to highest bidder and move onto hyperledger

so if yo care about bitcoin. drop your defensive stance for blockstream and start thinking about bitcoin.
because so far your empty arguments in defending blockstream are becoming more like a comedy event

i would have respect for any of the blockstreamist defenders if they would even dare to rebuttle comments about code issues, beyond just saying "shill, wrong, liar,"

Saturday night. Before going out I open a thread that has bitcoin core / blockstream / segwit in the title and what do I find you ask? of course, franky1 posting wall of texts. I hope you get paid well man, your thing is ridiculous.

i know your angry that you have to kiss corporate ass and give up your morals and personal opinions just to live and keep your income flowing. even having to subsidise your income with the crappy sig-spamming

thus angry that i have made my income personally from being an early adopter. thus i have the freedom to not need to kiss ass and can remain frank about my opinion while travelling around without borders, limits or having a boss to report to

i just hope one day you realise blockstream will move on and you realise this before they do, so that your not wasting your time kissing ass for no reason.

try to in future. when thinking of replying. look in the mirror and think about what hat you are wearing when you reply. and make sure its a
diverse decentralised bitcoin hat... and not a blockstreamist defender hat.

then maybe you can recover some respect. because you wont attain any of the blockstreamist titles of
bitcoin-wizard
bitcoin-dragon
bitcoin-ninja

All anyone with 1/3 of a brain can do is look at the git commit log of bitcoin-core, and the discussion in the bitcoin-dev mailing list and realize that the core devs are the heros of the bitcoin story (along with Satoshi of course).

lol and spot people like Lauda(was theymos staffer recently) and others who try getting 5 minutes of fame by spell checking a document. just to get their name in the list.
the amount of people with commit 'fame' for spell checking is very much a comedy.

i guess you also missed the parts where to get a 'bip' listed, requires LukeJRs(was gmax)(both blockstream) approval which needs mailinglist approval which are moderated by blockstream whereby they try to get you to have mentioned it in this forums technical discussion section first(gmax/theymos mod) or the irc(blockstream mod) or the reddit(theymos).
all moderated by the same group of people.

Maybe that is the problem , if you only had a complete % of a brain, you be smart enough to know Core is full of shit.

Kind of proves my point a few weeks ago,  :D :D :D


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When I read your Statements , Lauda

I was Shocked
https://blazepress.com/.image/t_share/MTI4OTk1MjQ4ODI2Mzg5Nzc4/5.jpg

I figured you were at Least a General in Bitcoin Core Troll Army.   :D :D :D

If you need anyone to Vote to up your status in Bitcoin Core Troll Army,
you got my vote for one of their Very Best Core Trolls.
CB got my vote too if he needs it.  :D

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agreed, 1/3 of a brain.

im just waiting for the DCG fund receivers to chime in and say that this virtual 'cabin in the woods' they use is actually used to have serious corporate discussions away from the anti-blockstream people
as their way of admitting such a place exists but not admit the content of what happens within. much like the round table closed door events with their chatham house rules

Yea... there's only one Core developer in that chatroom.

Anyone remember the r/btc mod who claimed Roger Ver hired a PR firm to astroturf for BU?

https://archive.fo/Prdem

only one core dev in the slack of bitcoin-core...??
though it appears #dragons dn is shut down.. lets see if only 1 core dev uses that slack

hmmm
https://i.imgur.com/Ds0ZNcm.png
https://i.imgur.com/YmcvAaW.png

yep more then one name

I was talking about dragonsden... There were 21 members (allegedly, I honestly think there were more), but only 1 was a dev.

Of course there is more than 1 dev on the entire Core slack LOL. That is where a lot of development discussion goes down nowadays.

Now well known BTU shills accuse Bitcoin community in shilling  ;D are you fucking stupid? read the Title of this site - BITCOINtalk not unlimited of other china shit talk

There are people from both sides that engage in misinformation drives. It is especially in the interest of Bitcoin Unlimited to do this. They bombard the forums with misinformation, get "boots on the street", and then get the Core developers out of the picture.

forum is BITCOIN... not CORE talk :D

bitcoin is more diverse then just core. if you think only core=bitcoin then you have got cabin fever

It's you (and other btu shills) not me are crazy about core and contantly writing unproven shit about it. and who has cabin fever?

pigeon holing me as a btu shill is like pigeon holing me as a classic shill last year and a xt shill before then and whatever core was pointing fingers at before then..
whats next
bitcoinEC
Bcoin

oh wait, let me guess it wont be a implementation brand but a mining group brand or even a country..
(obvious reddit script repeats)

when will the core cabin fever sufferers realise that there is a whole large economy of many bitcoin implementations that are all diverse. and its not a core vs one brand.

but a bitcoin community vs blockstream(core) centralist control cabin
think outside the 4 corners of your blockstream(core) mindset and start thinking about bitcoin as a whole and you will see it.
by the way core was only around in 2013. core did not invent bitcoin.

i know your friends are desperate for control so by pretending blockstream(core) already have control they can think they can fool the community too.. but all they are doing is fooling themselves

remember its only core throwing the ban hammers, PoW nukes, blackmailing deadlines and user fee discount bribes.. and even then core cannot get unanimous domination..

core need to realise bitcoin is much bigger than their cabin. and that diversity, decentralisation ethos of bitcoin mean much more than cores closed and controlled ethos

SO are you calling the LN Dev (who no doubts wants segwit) also a BTU Shill.   :D

Your Contradictions have proved to be your Undoing.


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FYI:
Maybe read the article before you scream shill , next time.  ;)
http://telegra.ph/Inside-the-Dragons-Den-Bitcoin-Cores-Troll-Army-04-07

No, he is not shilling for BTU hence he is not Btu shill

all i hear is whistles in the wind and anger that all your left with is hanging around the 'watercooler' until a new secret meeting room can be found

the fact you believe "the community" is 99.9% backing core, and we are just a joke, is a testament to the effectiveness of their fucking crusade

ahhh this is so bloody frustrating sometimes.

Before I come to this site and bought bitcoin, I study some information about it and who are developers (Core) and what is it and so on.
And I choosed Bitcoin as many other people did. Not Litecoin not dashcoin not ethcoin etc...

When I come to this site and particularly this thread, I want to read some useful info about Bitcon and it's succeses, some interesting news. But what can we see? Every other topic is created by some shill, wheater some altcoiner shill or BTU shill (which is the same). That bitcoin is dead, failed etc, whereas Bitcon works perfectly and it's price is rising. That we must abandon core and choose some fishy developers and listen to some chinese undergrads and choose their china coin.
And you think this is normal?

it wasn't always like this...

long long ago this community was somthing special

you are using buzzwords like BTU and chinese, which shows you have no original mindset/opinion. all the buzzwords you use are reddit scripts so i doubt you even are looking for real info because all you do is repeat the same reddit scripts and buzzwords

if you took an out of the box mindset and stopped defending one bandcamp blockstream(core) and thought/cared about bitcoin as a whole. you will start to see that bitcoin is fine. but Blockstream(core) are the issue.

by you thinking bitcoin is blockstream(core) then its you thinking that bitcoin is dying when people talk negatively about blockstream(core)

try to think beyond blockstream(core) and you will see the real bitcoin community

EG
bitcoin community is millions of people, hundreds of thousands of merchants..
its not 90 unpaid spellchecker interns and 10 paid devs.

look beyond the cabin fever of blockstream(core)

I didn't expect from you any sensible answer  :(... go on shilling

ok stay asleep and only hear the whispers from your core friends

sweet dreams

And he is the one claiming about Core
They just have a secret channel where they organize their PR and trolling campaigns.

they participate in far more underhanded tactics,
and all of Core knows full well what they're doing if not actively contributing.

How you gloss over the fact, that information is coming from a Segwit supporter & LN Dev,
really shows your deductive reasoning is seriously flawed or you are on an agenda where you ignore it because you know for a fact it is true.  ;)

Even an LN Dev admit BTC Core is Corrupt and play underhanded games.

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It is getting really easy to see through your script full of bullshit franky. The same made-up descriptions about me are actually a description of yourself. Number of code-contributions: 0; number of reviews: 0; evidence for knowing any language or CS: non-existent. ::)

Correct. Franky, kiklo and jonald. Other occasionally come and go, but these are persistent.

That's an appeal to authority. It does not matter from where the information comes from, as long as they have and can provided substantial evidence for this. This is not the case here.

And yet you hold the pretense that you are an authority .   :D

Seriously , what is your rank in the Bitcoin Core Troll Army?

Higher than a PFC?

http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/jim-nabors-on-the-cbs-television-comedy-program-gomer-pyle-usmc-ca-picture-id633531132?s=612x612


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Where was this stated? Can't you just stop trolling for a single day?

I briefly joined the slack sometime in 2016 I believe, and shortly left after. It was not productive. I'm part of nothing in these political games. Unfortunately, the same can't be said for the names that I've mentioned earlier.

I was one of those names and you are inplying I am a BTU shill,

and I personally don't care who fixes the transaction capacity problem, as long as it gets fixed.

Faster Blockspeed , Larger Blocksize, or Lateral blocks makes zero difference to me, I just want the problem fixed and the fees are reasonable and the transactions occur within the hour they are sent. It is the fact that Core Lies and says none of those options will work is what peeves me off, because I know any of them would work.
If they are not paying you why are you defending them everyday?
Surely you don't believe their lies?


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FYI:
Why am I here everyday, I am 84 and in a wheelchair , it is not like I can spend the day Rock Climbing.  :P
https://blog.codinghorror.com/content/images/uploads/2007/04/6a0120a85dcdae970b0128777009a2970c-pi.jpg

Hey BU shill! You need to see a doctor asap. Something is definitely fyooked with your brain.

Core is the core of bitcoin and it will stay like that. It is you and your kind are the real trolls whose only purpose to destroy bitcoin. Luckily nobody's stupid enough to fall for your scams.

This article is very complicated as if there is a conspiracy between the bitcoin core developers and r bitcoin moderation team. The article is telling us that the core developers along with some moderators of forums are conniving by posting some trolls in any bitcoin forum that is biased for the bitcoin core developers. Anyway it is hard to tell what is right and wrong at this moment as to who is the right one the BU of the Bitcoin core.

LOL,

Then quit being pussies and hard fork already.
If the Chinese are the threat you core shills make out hard fork to another PoW, go on , I double dog dare you.  :D

All you seem to do is repeat the word shill over about 500 times per day.

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FYI:
Saw my neurologist and cardiologist last week , right as rain junior.

actually i have contributed.
difference being
1. i dont just spell check the documentation to get a commit
2. i dont advertise my contributions
3. i dont fake my contributions

P.S
if it sounds like i am repeating myself by asking you to learn certain things. maybe its time you learn them instead of thinking of just disregarding the content and treat it as a insult.

you act like a little school kid trying to cause disruption to hide your inability to learn but want to get noticed to hope people will like you.

take off the blockstream hat that has put you in a corner facing a wall and instead turn around and decide to help yourself by you learning something.

are you the one that write this crap code of BU? because is < non stop fun park there :D. The most fan will be when this miners scammers decide to fork off from bitcoin network with it. Then will begin the show :D

you think that there is only core and bitcoin unlimited?
damn. you really have swallowed the spoon of core misinformation

by the way efficient ASICS and non-core implementations have been running on bitcoins mainnet for far longer than the non-activated segwit code.
by the way segwit started as an altcoin and has wormed its way into translating bitcoins network by the use of a 'going soft' backdoor that cant be vetoed by the community of bitcoin nodes that were and always will be bitcoin based code.(yep even core v12 cant stop segwit by the user node consensus)

by the way, gmaxwell only found segwits flaw last month. hence the drama now, instead of last year
but then pretending its asics and non-core nodes who are intentionally attacking segwit, rather than admitting that for the last couple years miners are just mining and non-core nodes are just plodding along for the last 2 years and its segwit thats not as utopian as promised.. is probably what your more angry about, but too loyal to either perceive that logical option, or too loyal to admit it.

get out of your blckstream(core) defence corner and look at the big picture

This statement is bullshit because there is no such thing as "Core lies", as "Core" is not stating anything nor is it possible. There are certain individuals who contribute to Bitcoin Core && have certain opinions. Them having opinions about something != Core stating something.

Bullshit until proven otherwise. Give us the evidence.

More ad-hominem from you. How about you get a life franky?

Stop posting for that signature ad. money and start using your brain. It will become very easy to see through the BTU lies.

Funny , how everything pointing how core is lying and manipulating, just bothers the daylights out of you.  ;)

Claiming everything is bullshit , you are starting to show you lack the knowledge to form a proper technical response to a technical problem.

Ask yourself this , if LTC can do a 2½ minute blockspeed , why are the Core Devs so incompetent ,
that they can't make BTC go as fast as 5 minute blocks (2X as slow as LTC), but it would still increase BTC transaction capacity by double.

The fact is all you can do is cry BS, really shows how weak your position is.

Your responses go like this bullshit , troll, shrill , and repeat.
You are like a broken record, if you had any credibility, you have pretty much blown it defending a corrupt lying dev team.
I hope they did pay you , because making a fool of yourself on a daily basis for the core devs must get old, you should ask for a higher pay.  ;)


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You haven't addressed anything that I've said. You've created a straw man argument which has no relevance to my statements. This is why you and your opinions are worthless (just ask your colleague starting with a 'f' for more advice).

Since you claim to be a SJW, then why aren't you having the same stance towards mr. Jihan and the exposure of his ASICBoost?

Or more simply and less controversially, just increase the blocksize.  Both are HF obviously which goes against the Core propaganda narrative.

Yep, you are clueless to a technical explanation why core can't move to a faster blockspeed or increase blocksize?
Maybe you should take some night classes to broaden your understanding of how crypto works. :D


My response to the ASICS BOOST Propaganda by G.Maxwell ,
went as follows:


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Advantages to only increasing the blocksize, is it requires no changes at all to the current reward structure of found blocks.
Which the miners would definitely be in favor of and be more apt to agree too.


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Kiklo = Lambie in disguise, trolling for cheaper coin.

Jonald_fyookball is just a noob crying for his lolypop.

Franky1 is the total package; troll/noob and paid shill.

How about you resume your primary school education first, then we may talk technicalities? You weren't even taught proper reasoning.

Your whole "argument" is built on the in existence of two types of ASICBoost, covert and overt variants. However, it is well known that both exist (even the circlejerk r/btc has acknowledged this).

You still don't understand HF implications. A rushed HF would break a huge part of the infrastructure.

Says the person claiming not to be a Paid Minion, but yet makes it a point to constantly argue for a team of liars.
Your insults are like your intelligence , weak.  :D


Who gives a shit, energy efficiently should be a goal for all miners.
I noticed how your insensitive self ignored this:
if someone found a cheaper more energy efficient way to mine, everyone should follow in their footsteps, not be a dumbass and claim it is a attack vector.
They should be trying to make the whole process more energy efficient, because those mining warehouses are causing an increase in electricity's prices in the areas they reside.
Causing a hardship for the poor people in those areas, that start having to choose between electricity or food and medicine.
Pay attention to what matters here, the energy waste of ASICS can not be sustained and the poor are suffering because of it.



Yo Dummy, they can schedule the Hard Fork to occur in 3 months from today, that is hardly rushed.
Only your lame ass baby core devs are too incompetent to pull off a hard fork.


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franky1 the multi millionaire early investor that travels around the world with his millions while posting all day on bitcointalk.org. Seems legit.

If you had millions worth of BTC you wouldn't be as dumb as supporting something that will crash the price. The only whale doing that is Roger Ver and he obviously has incentives to do so.

All actual whales like Loaded and Mircea Popescu are anti BUcoin and want BTC to remain as it is or are pro segwit, but NEVER want to jeopardize his wealth by putting illiterate idiots in charge of the code.

Darkbot ,
You are too Young and Stupid to understand a proper insult , so I will make it simple for you.

You are a dumb-ass.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NLzI3NkLD2E/hqdefault.jpg

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learn consensus

you are soo deep down the reddit script rabbit hole that you can only think of 2 things
1. softs best case scenario..
2. hards worse case scenario.

you are now even in favour of letting core "break a huge part of the infrastructure" simply because you dont understand
just because they say its soft is meaningless

soft just means they used a backdoor exploit to bypass real consensus.
going soft does not mean its safer. just means that in theory they can bypass some of the communities right to vote.
that is all.

hard just means full community vote. without bypassing
going hard does not mean its riskier. just means that in theory it requires full consensus of the communities right to vote.
that is all.

no one (apart from core) has wanted intentional splits or controversial splits.
wake up to who is throwing the "break a huge part of the infrastructure" bombs.

Are those whales Amish and afraid to fix the transactions capacity problems, because it would cost them their souls.

http://cdn.activly.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/amish-family-in-buggy8.jpg

Are you blind to BTC dominance in CMK which has declined ~30% in a few months compared to Alts.

Keep thinking BTC can prosper without updating, and it and your wealth will go the way of the 8 track tape.
 
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e0/45/a1/e045a1653bbf99dbc5527fbef521709e.jpg

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if all you care about is the temporary price drama then thats your failing. yea maybe i have enough bitcoin to not care about such things because up or down daily drama dosnt change my life from champagne to vineger wine.

my life allows me to spend bitcoin so that i dont even look at the fiat price, fiat has become meaningless to me.
i would actually be happier if bitcoin was measured directly against the 'cost of living' index. EG 1btc=1000 loaves of bread.

i care about bitcoins decentralised diverse ethos, which if we all cared about it.. then that would secure real value. long term. and you too would care less about temporary price drama..
then maybe even you would stop checking the price hourly and panicking.

as for your comments about arly adopters supporting something that will crash.
here is a hint. many implementations have been around a couple years, just plodding along, no deadlines or threats.. any drama in the last 6 months is from the core camp pointing fingers.
there is your speculation

as for what they support. most of them dont care about core vs bu.
the real debate is bitcoin ethos vs blockstreams corp ethos

if you think that bitcoin is core and only core. you have stuck yourself in a small box. and its time you start looking outside of your box


again you only think that there are only 2 implementations.
again you only think that there are only 2 implementations.
and you think that bitcoin needs core in control.

the truth is no one should be in control no dev kings what soever

early adopters who actually understand bitcoin are not kissing gmaxwells ass and see segwit as just the half gesture it is. so what you call "remain as is" is actually running a node thats not segwit. but i do applaud your brush under the carpet attempt

p.s
if all your going to reply is "wall of text franky" then all it is doing is prove you do not have attention span to read paragraphs or actual details and blindly just read small scripts like those on reddit.
try hard to avoid reddit, avoid fox news and improve your life beyond racial stereotypes and "bomb them" propaganda

Don't be jealous just cause Franky was smart enough to buy bitcoins at a nickel a pop, and you weren't.

Mircea?  I have no respect for that guy... He was one of the first dishonest shills that called BitcoinXT an altcoin.

Ha, I remember that. You almost sucked the ass right of poor Adam Back. I'd say he felt like he had found a lost puppy.

You are a sham, Lauda.

Updating all Bitcoin ATMs, merchants and wallets in 3 months? ::)

You keep saying that even though I understand it. I don't use reddit; I only occasionally read it.

This is complete bullshit and an outright lie. I was in a private channel, definitely not in one where the likes of you are.

Its getting tiresone listening to the fear-mongering about HF -v- SF. Its all about politics.

A well organised HF is not problematic. It only becomes problematic when it is contentious - and the only party that have made it contentious by their intransigence ( and lies and double crossing) is Blockrtream/Core. Its political because they sold a specific use case to AXA which required Bitcoin to be subverted into a settlement layer, for transactions occurring on a TBD second layer. LN was the star turn in that role for 12 month ( but I think the veneer is finally starting to crack on that cheap trick) Segwit (which in itself is a good feature) was butchered/hacked so that it could be deployed as a SF, purely to support the narrative of "HF is dangerous!!"

But I think the message is starting to get though now. People can see the degree to which the narative is being controlled on this forum and /r/bitcoin.

Blockstream labeling anyone who disagrees with them as a shill is getting transparent. When your only argument against someone is to call them a "shill" you have lost the argument.

You would be surprised where I can pop up.

look at lauda thinking he has attained certain privileged boysclub status.
yep lauda i already called you out on your commit of only being literally a spell check and not a code fix. so dont play on that as your claim to fame either..
P.S c++ not java.. for fture reference when you finally want to contribute something

though you are part of the blockstream trolling group you only got to hang around the water cooler

You were not part of it, and neither was Adam Back. Therefore, your statement is an outright lie.

Nobody ever claimed that it was a code fix. That's the assumption that you've created, and a possible reality of which you're afraid of.

Yet you know neither one of those two. ::)

There is no such thing as the "Blockstream trolling group", same is the case with "Cores Troll Army".

If the infrasturcture can't update in 3 months, then we should scrap the whole damn BTC system now , as it is a waste of time.
The truth is those so called ATM , are nothing more than fancy interfaces for Exchanges.
The exchange would update their BTC client and that is it, same for the merchants.
You do realize you Bitcoin Core Trolls make BTC seem like the most incompetent coin out there, with your can't do this and can't do that attitude.
The only thing Bitcoin Core Trolls have proven Can't be Done, is they can't shut the fuck up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin_ATM


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FYI:

Lauda, CB, & BillyBobZorton definitely wear the Bitcoin Core Troll Army Uniforms.
Methinks you do Protest too much.  :D

lauda wants to think he is not a troll but a
wizard
dragon
ninja

lol thats the point i was making when i said lauda only gets to hang around the water cooler rather then be invited to the secret clubs  (i was and still am giving subtle hints to see how deep he can dig his own hole)

What's it officially called then?  The "core fanboy patrol"? or... 

I approve of some of this post.

I think it is interesting that the dirbag jratcliff63367 agreed to say that he personally know that Roger Ver was employing an astroturfing firm, attract a bunch of attention, only to later admit this was a baseless claim with absolutely no merit.

I wonder if the above was one of blockstream's troll/smear campaigns and how much that dirtbag ended up getting paid to say that.

Perhaps Roger Ver threatened to sue him, and he decided making the claim was not worth the risk of a lawsuit or some kind of retaliation.

He also said in one of his apologies:
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6019zf/this_is_a_complete_lie_with_no_truth_to_it/df2xacc/

The wording "sufficient information" is a little suspicious, and could mean that he saw something to suggest he was doing that but did not have conclusive evidence.

Roger Ver is a liberation, and is very strongly against violence and the use of force. In order to enforce a judgment won in a lawsuit, the use of force would need to be threatened.

Also, it would be easy enough to get that kind of a lawsuit dismissed as frivolous (and likely be awarded attorney's fees) by simply providing proof that an astroturfing firm was being employed.

He said affirmatively that Roger is using an astroturfing firm. If he knew this then it would be easy enough to post the evidence. He did not say that he suspected that he employed an astroturfing firm.

I would also point out that he also quickly deleted the comment (which I would suspect was part of his agreement with #dragonsden in order to give himself cover), but someone noticed and very loudly pointed out the comment.

Probably most importantly, if Roger was employing an astroturfing firm, I don't think they would leave their business card with the moderators of the subreddit that the astroturfing is taking place in.

edit: it looks like he later said (https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/5zyrc5/jratcliff63367_exrbtc_mod_its_important_for_the/df23udy/) that his comment was (baseless) speculation.

He has sued many people before

http://www.coindesk.com/roger-ver-sues-bitcoin-exchange-okcoin-570k/
http://thenewtoday.gd/local-news/2017/03/06/the-us1million-lawsuit-against-oveson/#gsc.tab=0


You never know how a lawsuit will play out. Especially in a libel lawsuit where there is no affirmative defense. A lawsuit would require jratcliff63367 invest his own money in defending himself and even if he is cleared of all wrongdoing, there is no guarantee that he would be reimbursed for all or any of his legal fees. A lawsuit is also extremely stressful, and many people would rather retract a comment they made on the internet rather than go through such an ordeal, which would require enormous amounts of time and money and the stress can have a serious affect on a persons health. If thats what happened, it certainly wouldn't be the first time a person retracted a statement they made in good faith because of the risk of a lawsuit.

It's just a theory in any case. Without further evidence nobody knows what really happened here.

An affirmative defense in a libel lawsuit is that what was said is true.

The possible threat of a libel lawsuit also does not account for the fact that a moderator of r/btc would have no reason to be told about astroturfing activities if such activities actually existed.

What is considered libel is up to interpretation. jratcliff63367 may have been stating his opinion that he believes that astroturfing was occurring, but not stating it as fact. jratcliff63367 may not have been acting in malice. And the claim may not have caused harm to Roger Ver's reputation. There may have been truth to the claim, but jratcliff63367 did not have recorded evidence of it. All of these things are up to interpretation.


Perhaps he had some active role in the activity, or perhaps he had been told not to delete posts from the PR firms accounts.

We don't know the full extent of jratcliff63367's and Roger Ver's relationship.

jratcliff63367's statement was not stated as an opinion, it was stated as a fact.

Also, if you can prove that what was said is true, then you are not liable for libel.

He also apparently deleted the post almost immidiately after it was made, which would make it unlikely that Roger would have had the opportunity to even message jratcliff63367 with the threat of a lawsuit prior to him deleting it. In fact, I would argue that the speed at which the post was archived (11 minutes) somewhat implies that someone had prior knowledge of the post before it was made.

He had said not long before he resigned as a moderator that he deleted very few posts, and that few posts ended up getting deleted by the other moderators. All this took place around the time there was a bunch of drama around him deleting a thread that contained the dox of theymos.

It would also not make very much sense for the PR firm's accounts to have different rules than "normal" accounts because they would stick out like a sore thumb. The point of engaging in astroturfing is that the posts appear to be from legitimate users, and if these users are breaking rules but not having their posts deleted, then they are clearly not legit users.

I read this article and laught at the end when I read : "Everything written above is factual and verifiable."
this invalidated all the article.. fail !

It can not. Deploying and upgrading large-scale systems is certainly not on the list of things on your CV. It is not surprising that you are not familiar with it.

Hasty generalization.

Something which does not exist, does not have a name.

The article is utter and complete garbage. There are zero "facts" in it.

so you're a lone wolf shill.  that's cool.

Your evil genius is showing.