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edit:  cannot provide at $0.01... must be ~$0.02 (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186457.msg1939597#msg1939597)

What?  What did he say?

Yes, I said it.  I will sell you as much electricity as you can consume at ~$0.02 per KWh.  

We are planning to build a climate controlled storage mini-storage building in Denver, Colorado.  This first phase is a 21,000 sq foot building with 300 individual units which will should be completed by September 1, 2013.  This is many months from now so you need to recognize that difficulty is going to triple before the first unit is available (http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2013/04/914-asic-earnings-23-april-2013.html).  (check my signature).

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Let me know if this is something you might be interested by posting below.  Let me know how many sq ft and watts you need.  The building is designed to support more than 1/2 million watts.  We are even debating selling the individual units as condominiums.  

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No, I'm sure you could get a local gardener (or bitcoin technician) to look in on your marijuana (or miners).  But asking someone to ship the product to you afterword is illegal.  You cannot take marijuana outside the state lines, by federal and neighboring state laws.

But we in Denver welcome marijuana users.  Next January anyone who is 21 can come to Colorado and buy and smoke marijuana.  And we are encouraging "pot tourism".   Denver will be the next new Amsterdam.  You can grow (or buy) 6 plants the day you arrive and up to 1 ounce of dried herb.  Visitors Welcome.

I'm sure many people want to know so I'll put it here. 

Colorado is the ONLY place in the world where you can grow and sell marijuana FOR PROFIT.  All other "medical marijuana friendly" states require cafe/coffee shop/sellers (dispensaries) to operate as NON-PROFIT companies. 

Last November (2012) in Colorado we voted to regulate RECREATIONAL marijuana like alcohol and those laws are being written right now.  Next January (2014) ANYONE who is 21 can come to Colorado and buy up to 1 ounce (28 grams) from a retail store (dispensary). 

UNFORTUNATELY in order to OWN a store you will need to be a state resident of Colorado for TWO YEARS PRIOR to holding a license.  If you really want to do this I'm happy to hold your license as you manage the store while we await your two year residency.  But you do not need any license to hold or smoke or grow marijuana.  You only need a license to own a retail distributor (dispensary).

 

Are there any units available now at the existing buildings?

No sir.  The building you see an image of, while it is real and does exist, is not mine.   The building in the images is a storage facility, it does NOT have necessary power upgrades or cooling capacity.  We are working with the same builder to complete the construction of a new building by September.  

In that case, I might be interested in September. Definitely interested now.

The least you could do is show the courtesy to the Bitcoin community of marketing these for mining... what you allow is a different matter than what you promote. Please don't add to Bitcoin's negative public perception which is, mostly, caused by drugs.

EDIT: FYI Marajuana is legal only under Colorado state law, not federal law. You can still be prosecuted under federal law. I'm not saying I necessarily agree with it but it is true.

Miners, Computer Programmers and Weed Smokers are all the same community. 

Prohibitionists against marijuana are probably the same idiots who are "against" bitcoin.  I'm not here to help day traders make money, I'm here to help my fellow pot smoking computer scientists.

See this:
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-02-28/silicon-valley-is-high-on-innovation-dot-and-pot

Not true, I am a miner and former programmer and have never smoked weed (or anything for that matter). I support the right to decide for yourself, but the promotion of illegal activities does not help Bitcoin's image.

I'm promoting nothing illegal.  Marijuana and bitcoin farming are PERFECTLY legal inside Colorado.  Our constitution allows us to posess, grow and use marijuana for recreational purposes.  I don't care much what they think back east as it doesn't effect us.  We are a home rule state and the Fed is smart enough to stay away.  

Besides, marijuana is a harmless substance which has been prohibited by a man named Harry Anslinger who was a racists and ran the first 'bureau of prohibition' prior to the invention of the DEA.  In the history of man there has NEVER been an overdose caused by marijuana, in any mammal.  Look it up!

Anyway, I'm not trying to discourage your project, other than what your marketing it for, this is great and I wish you luck!


Really?  ;D Paintball is a healthy sport with a generally friendly community characterized (mostly) by good sportsmanship. It has a VERY low injury rate when played according to common-sense safety rules (lower than most popular sports).
 

It does however cause short term stupidity. Which can be a problem in a public setting, driving, or... playing paintball. Like I said, just FYI, I'm in favor of individual liberty so even though I don't like marijuana I'm in favor of people deciding for themselves.

Mining I 100% support, and this is PERFECT for that! I'm not sure why it's secondary here though.

I have hundreds of people wanting grow rooms.  I have three wanting bitcoin mining rooms.  Is why btc is secondary...  happy to make it the primary, are you committing?

Makes sense I guess. Not committing, but I am casually considering. I had an ASIC order with BFL but recently canceled it, I'll certainly consider if I place a new order. My paintball business is primary right now though because (especially with the difficulty increase) it will likely be more profitable.

How are you able to provide electricity so cheep?

Industrial rates in Denver are half a penny if you consume 25,000 watts at all times.  The electric company burns alot of coal.

Color me interested.  Can you PM the details of the possible space for mining?

I'd want more than 2000 watts in that room for my miners.  Make it 14.4kW and you're talking.

Are there provisions for heat exhaust and fresh air intake?

Is there fire protection?  Insurance?  Good internets?  Physical security?

yea, the building will meet code.  fire suppression is required but that means sprinklers.  could do 12kw, not a problem.  building will have typical commercial building insurance.  renters can get renters insurance I'm sure.  building is designed to handle marijuana grows so the heat and air movement problem is largely the same.  the building would have a chiller and the heat from all the occupants would be used to make steam to run the chiller compressor.

I'd be interested in using such a facility potentially year-round if the power costs are as low as you are indicating. Let me know when you get something up and running.

Bad news, the rates just doubled!



As I understand it Xcel uses your highest spike per 12 months


I cannot disagree with your analysis.  It is exactly the same as I
learned from an energy consulting engineer yesterday evening.
So the bad news is, rates just doubled.  

Of course it's still amazingly low at just $0.0223 / KwH

I am glad I helped prevent you from selling power below price  :)

thanks for sharing Viceroy.
gonna keep an eye on this thread.

Terrible policy, subsidizing excessive power use. Admittedly in this case, we all like it, but it is still a horrible policy in general.

In other news, that is pretty sweet concept, I'm not sure that I will have a use for it in September, but if I am able to still be involved in mining come that time, I would definitely be attracted to that project (Colorado is not that far from Cali relatively speaking, and our power prices are like 15x higher).

And I don't really care about the other stuff, as long as some potheads don't think it's funny one night to go blowing smoke into my unit and a buncha water fries my stuff.

I would definitely be interested in this around Oct-Nov. Going to be watching for further updates. Thanks Viceroy.

interested.

also interested.

Are you certain there isn't a delivery charge on top of demand and usage charges? That's how all my power bills have worked. The rate per kwh out the door is the sum of usage, demand, and delivery charges, and typically delivery dwarfs the other two.

yea, I was schooled in this if you read back in the thread.  The original title for the thread was "get electricty for $0.01 per kwh".  So yes, the distribution is HUGE and included.  Sort of like your avatar.

I read it, but I have always encountered electric rates as a combination of three rates; usage (base rate per kwh), demand (increase in rates based on time-of-day usage), and delivery (applies to all usage). Beyond this, there are taxes. If you are getting $0.0223/kwh out the door, that is phenomenally cheap. Just make sure that is your actual rate out the door.

On a side note, I hope your equipment is well insured. Some fucktard is burning that place down within the year. Growing dope well involves a lot of power, a lot of water, and a nice mix of propane burners.

i have to say it... cannabis

My favorite herb :)

This is excellent!  ;D

Im sure the demand will be overwhelming for this type of thing and its very innovative. Soon more states in the US will follow suit and in time these laws will spread to Europe and beyond, wish you the best of luck! Only wish i could invest someway or another!  8) :)

I wish you could too, unfortunately arcane securities regulations written in the early 1900's prevent me from asking you to invest.  These same arcane laws also prevent me from telling the world that we are looking for investors, so I will be sure to not do that. 

As a completely non-related idea I am anxiously awaiting the new crowdsource funding regulations that President Obama signed into law last year (april 2012).  In short the new law allows me to ask anyone and everyone to invest.  But it is illegal to do so at this time as I am not a securities broker in any state or country and I am not offering any investment opportunity or a security of any kind.  (got that regulators?)
/me grumbles and walks away twiddling thumbs

seriously weed isnt illegal in CO no more i can vouch for this we smoked in front of the cops a few months back! ;)~besides weed/hemp aint even a drug!!;-)weeeeee

Will be in Co. by next year. Might take you up on the offer!

I think you might be high right now.

ill be in Denver fall next year, I'll look u up then

So, anyone want to help me draft a phytoremediation bill that we can use to take back our constitution with regard to hemp?

If you are not familiar, phytoremediation is the process whereby a plant can be used to clean toxins out of soil simply by growing it on that land.  Industrial Hemp (or cannabis that is breed specifically to have less than 0.3% thc...to put that in perspective Viceroy is helping to grow a crop specifically breed to generate 25%+ THC) has been proven to be remarkably effective at this task, and is in fact currently being used in Russia at Chernobyl to clean up it's radioactive soil.  The most amazing part is, it works.  The roots suck in the radioactive metals and render them harmless (though the hemp is still disposed of as radioactive waste).  After a few growing cycles, the land can be reclaimed.

We need to impress this into the minds of the older voting population of the country, and pass a federal bill that permits cleaning up things like 3 Mile Island, and the oil spill in the Gulf, via Cannabis based phytoremediation.

Why would this help marijuana?  Look at Colorado...six months prior to the legalization of recreational pot, a phytoremediation bill was passed.  If we could figure out how to pass this on a federal level, it would put a hole in the damn (pun intended) that is the controlled substances act, and then we'd watch the rest crumble as people begin to think...wow hemp is pretty amazing, why is it illegal?  If we just had more intelligent people seeking the answer to this question...the towers will fall and we will gain full on legalization, and the end of marijuana prohibition.

On a lighter note...someone needs to start a comic about the superhero created from smoking phytoremediated radioactive bud.

Sure, I'll run your Colorado Based Phytoremediation program....   

Wow, and I thought my $0.093/kWh rate was pretty cheap.

Who cares about electricity if you host a 2TH rig and pay 5% of income?

Not to mention the attempted thread hijack.  I removed his post.

So what about it ?
Anyone tried ?

And you my friend, are my best friend.

One question.. as someone who has grown before how do you figure to sea of green with the setups pictured?

You normally need 2 or 3 separate spaces for clones / veggy / fruiting..

A grow tent would allow you to maintain a 24/0 - 18/6 light cycle in the same space you were flowering. As long as its light proof and the lights are on a separate timer, you should be able to get away with veg./flowering in the same space.

Now, I have absolutely no interest in mining bitcoins in this space, but these do however sound absolutely perfect for growing a crop of sensi. To hell with a network difficulty increase. I'd rather spider mites (not really, spider mites suck major, flower destroying ass).

So I ask...

+ Are these units wired for 240?

+ Is ducting available (duct holes i mean), for heat extraction? Or will i have to utilize leds? AC cooled space?
Edit: I Read and Understood this time, my bad

+ How secure is this? Keycard/code access? Keyed entry? Security Guards?

+ I have equipment already. Is it cheaper per month if I bring my own equipment? Or is that figure based off of the pictured setup being provided?

+ Will i have to utilize low odor strains? Been breeding a diesel x abusive kush cross that reeks to high heaven. Is odor control even required?

+ I am currently not a resident of Colorado. Besides federal pressure, will I be subject to any particular legislation that would allow my asset to be seized?

+ If these are classified as condos, in the event of fire, will I be able to recover my assets from catastrophe? (Renters insurance/ storage insurance are not the same service exactly and have different policy recovery limits)

We are stuck on the planning phase as we cannot seem to find a traditional lender (bank) who will touch this with a ten foot poll.

Count me in for a customer if you do get this moving along.

Ditto.

Nice, can you share how you can produce such cheap electricity?

Free bump for you, since I'm interested. A 25,000 watt farm would be hot. Plants or Zombies. (I mean, miners.)

We're working on an outdoor grow now.  Not sure where to put the machines...

So the grow/mine space never happened? Still plans for it? Sounded like a cool concept

It still does not  beat my rate.  
Free!!! ;D
I can't sell it like this guy tried to.
We have a methane power generation plant that just went live this summer on our families farm.  Free power from poop.
Then again I'm in NY so no marijuana to go along with it. LOL

We are in the process of building a several hundred acre marijuana farm.  Once complete we will start construction on this facility in Denver.  I'm not sure we'll have it done before the end of 2014.