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US dropped the biggest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan... what are your thoughts on this guys?

https://www.google.com.pk/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/04/13/politics/afghanistan-isis-moab-bomb/index.html

They dropped it on ISIS - those guys deserve to be nuked. I think they got off lightly.

They're going down for sure under Trump's administration.

The US and Afghan forces were unable to advance because ISIS had mined the area with explosives, so the bomb was dropped to clear the tunnels

its not a surprise to me because this guy in the white house does not play with any TR

Just to remind everyone here: The Taliban was created during the late 1970s by the CIA and the other American agencies, to fight against the Soviet invasion force in Afghanistan. Back then, they were considered as heroes in the Western nations:

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If DAESH wishes to kill everyone on the planet that doesn't believe in their ideology, they better expect a fucking fight.

I hope no civilians were injured. I hope many of these terrorist killers were, well, killed.

Misleading title, it's not an attack on the country because they don't have anything that US haven't already taken from them, it's an attack on ISIS (child of Taliban and born in middle east Saudi Arabia as the mother) and that bomb only has 1 mile radius and I don't know why North Korea is evacuating their Capital :( this Trump itches for world war 3 I'm telling you.

The U.S. has all sorts of resources. They have the ability to get complete data on the leadership of an organization and use any of various means to keep the organization in check.

When the U.S. goes up against a complicated country with an advanced military and sophisticated leaders they use peaceful means effectively. So why would it be necessary to use complicated heavy weapons against uneducated poorly armed village types?

There must be some reason that less effective tools, like the military, are used.

Some people speculate..

1) Maybe it has to do with the financial infrastructure of the global munitions business. No longer an industry segregated by countries, today the same groups collaborate on profiting from both sides of a war.

2) Maybe some local interest, zionists are a popular focus of this theory, has an interest in promoting certain conflicts for strategic reasons.

3) Maybe it is ultimately run by ivory tower intellectuals who have some perverse needs met by pretending to guide countries one body at a time.

If there were no fights between various clearly identified groups then mass psychology would force such groups to come into existence. There always has to be some struggle going on. Is it better to have "managed wars" and reduce the risk of real war breaking out? It's like gmo foods. It looks good on paper but people who have common sense don't support fake wars any more than they feed their families Monsanto meat if they can avoid it http://moralmatters.org/2013/05/24/the-monsanto-monster-genetically-modified-food/

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Should the M.O.A.B be classified as a WMD ?

The result of a U.S. attack in Eastern Afghanistan, using the "mother of all bombs," has killed at least 36 Islamists.
This was announced by the Ministry of defense of Afghanistan. Most importantly that information about civilian casualties is not confirmed. Who says that Americans used harsh measures of war.

Your heading is very misleading, First and foremost they dropped the mother of all bombs on ISIS after a green beret was killed in that vicinity. with your heading alone, you will make a very good journalist. And secondly Trump is keeping his promises of annihilating ISIS and thank God for that.

The MOAB is having a very large blast radius. So I assume that a large number of civilians were killed during the airstrikes, along with the ISIS militants. And also, the ISIS is known to use human shields.

The United States in Afghanistan attacked a cave complex of Tora Bora in Nangarhar province.
This was stated by the ex-employee U.S. intelligence Edward Snowden on his Twitter page.
"Tora Bora was fortified base complex built for the Mujahideen, which was partially funded by the CIA"

That makes sense. Why risk sending soldiers there when you can just get rid of the mines along with those terrorists. Now you've mentioned this I was reminded of that satellite used by a villain in an old Bond movie to clear mines to allow his army to come in more easily.



Yes we know that. The better question would be, should America have allowed the Soviets to conquer Afghanistan? This is not the first time America intervened to stop an invasion. Remember when Saddam Hussein tried to invade Kuwait and Saudi Arabia?

And how were the American repaid?

I just read this news this war is going to be insane more innocent people are going to die how if those leader going to fight 1 on 1 and kill each other than sending those innocent people just to kill.

Based on the news that I read they drop that bomb in ISIS base but I hope theirs no big number of innocence that died their because of that bomb

US just need a testing ground to test its weapons.This time Afghanistan and next time, may be another islamic country.It seems US govt has taken innocent muslim lives in afghanistan,syria,iraq,etc.etc.etc as very cheap.

Yes, I hope no civilians die as a result of dropping this kind of weapons. Let just ISIS died and spare those innocent. But ISIS is known for using human shield because they know that if innocent people die, US will be condemn but other countries and more Muslims will use this as an excuse to put hatred in US and other countries that support US.

Uneducated bunch of silly sig spammers  :)

Why only ISIS? The tactics of human shields used by the Germans and the Russians during the second world war. The same tactics Putin uses the capture of the Crimea and the Donbass. Sometimes it is better to sacrifice the lives of 10 people, but to save the lives of thousands.

So how many civilians lived in the taliban tunnels up in the mountains?

Care to give us insider informations? ::)

Russian bots at it again.

BLU-82B costed 20.000 USD back in it's days. Has been good enough against Tora Bora, Afghanistan

GBU-43/B comes like 14.600.000 USD there is some visible incline in pricings

Pricings for Tomahawks resupply currently rising, multiplied by numbers needed (<30% hit rate)

Not that much of a war against terror anymore, more like a war against budgets

Something in the last people who live in different countries, have become very politicized, as a result of hatred of people and everything around them. I do not think that the world will last so long.

And I see you around here in the forum, discriminating people. How's your Finland? I was under the impression that you live there when you told off people in another thread to not go there and suck off your welfare simply because they expressed a desire to visit it at least once. Maybe you really deserve those immigrants...

Afghan authorities Saturday reported a jump in fatalities from the American military's largest non-nuclear bomb, declaring some 90 Islamic State fighters dead, as US-led ground forces advanced on their mountain hideouts. "At least 92 Daesh (IS) fighters were killed in the bombing," Achin district governor Esmail Shinwari told AFP on Saturday. Shinwari insisted there were "no military and civilian casualties at all".

I think actually the same, that mr.Donald Trump will finally vanquish the terror that ISIS is doing on many continents through last years.
Many people still say for some reason, that US has created the ISIS , but I cannot understand why would they spend resources now, and possibly start war with Afghanistan ( because of the GBU-43 bomb )
to eliminate ISIS soldiers, when they are under their jurisdiction? Makes no sense for me, but If someone knows something about that theory, then I would be very glad to hear an explanation.

I assume that Trump decided he has enough of ISIS terror, so he decided to grow some fear among his enemies, that he is not scared of consequences, even when bombing other country places.

i find that too good to be true as the scale of this bomb most likely would take several civilians with it. It's sad that in order for us to eliminate these terrorists, civilians who have done nothing wrong would have to be affected. And these people most likely are looking to the us for help

There is no punishment without guilt. Why are these civilians allowed to have their country ruled by terrorists. And who are these terrorists? Did the children of these civilians join the ranks of the terrorists. Each person must answer for their action or inaction.

I read about it and they spent millions on just 1 bomb and God knows if it killed only terrorists or civilians. Trump did what he said and it's the worst decision ever made. Bombing won't do anyone good and if they want a surgical strike, they should only target the terrorist and not civilians.

Its sad to see that US has taken these countries as a testing ground for their weapons.Now Russia may follow the same path and test its weapons in some other country.

The US is very aggressive lately, I don't like that.

The US has been aggressive ever since the end of the WW2, and that was almost 7 decades back. During this time period, they have invaded or intervened in more than 70 different nations (at a rate of 1 country per year).

More aggressive than usually then. I agree with you.

The US neither "created" nor "control" ISIS. But there does exist some storyline about the initial formation days pointing back at detention camp "Bukka". If you collect suspected islamic extremists in a war zone and place them into a camp they will start to recognize each other, and how many they are.
They state for themselfes that has been their moment of formation, but maybe other stories are floating around too.

Na. Do you really think people living off a sig campaign and who barely speak english are your typical european traveller? Really?
99% of people posting here are some bots that just want to push their post counter for the sig campaign.

And if these people will come here the first thing they want will be welfare.

In relation to the US we in europe have unlimited welfare.

Here really with your incomes not to argue. Europe really went far by social standards, even in contrast to the US. Although the states also have their own successes. But I want to say one true thing that if someone does something or writes something, then this has a definite purpose.

Sure.
There are people who lie to support their agenda.
There are people who just dont know or dont understand.
There are people who are just too lazy to research and investigate certain topics.

And then there are 50-75% of non sense posting sig spammers that i really dislike.

The world is cruel. You forget that in all these conflicts, always on the opposite side fought Russia. In the same Afghanistan the first troops entered the Soviet Union. Lately I'm more worried about the aggressive policy of Russia than of America. Both of these countries brought a lot of grief in the world. Maybe when Russia will disintegrate will no longer such a confrontation, and the world will be safer?

Well you don't need sig campaigners to ruin everything for you. I don't believe you'll be forced to retain any overstaying tourists, you can always deport them. The refugees though... you already shipped them into your country and forced to care for them. Those are not leaving anytime soon. Either you'll increase tax even higher (I believe in some countries it's already 50%) or reduce benefits to stretch the limited money.

Sorry for telling you you deserve this. I just find it sad that by the time I'm probably already well-off to travel, Europe would no longer be recognizable.

Guess I'll just have to save to travel to another Asian country. Hopefully further ASEAN integration would make the fare cheaper.

BTW you mentioned bots. Is that even a thing in forums? I thought they only exist in games.

Refugees can stay as long it is not save to return. But when it is safe we expect most people to go back home with only a small part staying here.
Refugee status != resident status

Bots are always a thing if you can earn money with it - not only in games. And yes this forum already had a lot of trouble with bots.

During the cold war, there was no Russia. There was only the USSR. And they intervened militarily only in a handful of countries during 1945-90. And in most of these nations, the Soviet troops were deployed after the local governments requested for the same.

This will be result of world war 3 if they will don't stop attacking this country also syria maybe russian or putting will declare war against those country who are agreesively attacked this without notifying it north korea also against on this attacked this will be great for them to make money.

Nope. It was not. If that was the case, then why Crimea was separated from the Russian SSR in 1954, and gifted to the Ukrainian SSR? At that time, the peninsula was overwhelmingly populated by the ethnic Russians.

there are some who are poorely educated,it is pretty obvious who they are
also living in their stereotypical house of cards world,selfrighteous and so sure of their supremacy
things are changing and changing rapidly,get ready

At that time the Peninsula was not inhabited for the development of its infrastructure it needed to connect to the mainland of Ukraine. In addition, the part of the Ukrainian lands went to Russia.

Late apology for starving (holodomor) and forcing millions of ukranians in gulags to death.

In order to Crimea was conditions of life for the Crimea joined to Ukraine. Ukraine dug a channel and put fresh water in the Crimea. Additionally, the supply of the Crimea more convenient to do it through Ukraine.

So you are saying that just because Ukraine is providing fresh water to Crimea, the peninsula must surrender its sovereignty and merge with Ukraine? No that is not going to happen. Crimea will remain as a part of Russia, because the overwhelming majority of the population want that.

There are two options for the development of events. 1 is to do everything legally correct And quite the opposite elections, this is to do as the local population wants to do. That's only the local population is the Tatars, and not the Russians. Although, frankly, a simple person has never depended on anything, because I was not only used for them in other purposes.

Its been the worst decision in the histoty of america. Everyone knows that there isnt any 9/11. people are forced to beleive in it that there was a plane that hit world trade centre though there wasnt any. The decision of attacking afghanistan tends america nowhere but its govt has lost its position in their citizens. People are asking what are the outcomes of spending billions of dollars for attacking afghanistan? Nothing but just it can keep an eye in asian countries.

I think it's very good because US soldiers can help soldiers and Afghans from ISIS terrorist attacks, I really do not like ISIS who expels residents from their homes.

Seriously? The attack on afghanistan isn't even against isis. Isis is a real threat nowadays but i think what happened in the afghan attack is something that needs to be looked further into. Its been rumored that there are other, more personal reasons why it was initiated.

I am surprised to see so much pro-Muslim propaganda here. Crimea was not the original homeland of Tatars. Crimea was inhabited by Slavs, at least from BC 5000. The Tatars came after the Mongol invasion, during the 13th and 14th centuries AD. Once they captured power in Crimea, the Tatars either enslaved or exterminated the native Slav population.