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What if Bitcoin propose that use Microchip implant for bitcoin payments in malls do you want it ?
Some of my christian friends say that it's written in Revelations. but microchip implant is been spreading all over the us.
what's your opinion if this happen ?

Sure, why not.  Whatever the hell it is you're blabbing about.  Are you talking about shopping malls?  Those things are rapidly becoming dinosaurs, and I don't think any tin foil hat-wearing subcutaneous-microchip-branded bitcoin users are going to save them.  But hey, prove me wrong.

there is a similar topic about it in the main board called bitcoin implants (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1722766.0) and it is basically the same argument. and i have always found it a bit weird to be honest, to have something in your body no matter how small or harmless to your inside body environment it is. and not just because of that but also because you would be carrying funds inside of it!
it is way to sceince fictiony for me :)

you're right it's really weird but I heard a rumor that US already implementing a system which needed a microchip to access the whole building I mean in that chip you have all the Information about yourself your salary, whole life was there something like that. but if you're gonna choose would you like a barcode in your fore hear or maybe in your neck or hand or you want this microchip implant ?

You know what I'd like? I'd like something like radioactive ink that we could make tattoos on our skin which then will be identifiable by some sort of special camera, lens, optic or anything that could read even through walls and our bodies so that way no one can really trick the system lol.

Future is for wireless, contact-less remote technologies, internet of things will also become internet of people, but I'm more interested in facial recognition processors technologies than implant, aliens do implants on the people they abduct so I don't like that.

There are brand new face scanning and eye scanning technologies that will work way better than a microchip implant.Nobody would want to have some microchip under his/her skin.This is ridiculous.
Even fingerprint technologies are a way beter alternative.   

Yes it is true that we Christians believed that chip implants will lead to the rise of the demonic groups which is the called 666 or the anti-christ. But aside from that microchip implantation has many disadvantages as if it will be implemented all of your details will be placed on that chip and hence you will be totally be in control of the government. Thus if there will be chaos and the state will implement all chips to be cut-off from the system then we will be at the mercy of the state.

I'm not against it but well eh its a bit weird and tbh a little risky because after all it putting something inside body that isn't meant to be there. I would be much comfortable to use just my smartphone, as almost everyone carry their smartphones everywhere is kinda a part of their boy.

There a a lot of things in your body that were not supposed to be there or have no reason to be there.
Some of them are really dangerous and might actually kill you, like a severe form of Appendicitis.

The microchip is harmless.

As for the relation with bitcoin , that is a bit far fetched.
Nobody will use a microchip only for bitcoins.  There are a lot of far more useful stuff people will get one rather than bitcoin payments.

Personally, I have always have reservations of anything piercing my body, couple with the various religious belief I have, I am sure to be reluctant towards that micro chip option as a means of payment. I would rather deal with using my mobile for every outer things like barcode scanning  or even downloading an application to make that possible but definitely not piercing my body. I won't go with that.

Nah, same function as a plastic card or a wallet but all you do is save maybe 5 seconds by waving your hand vs having to use a QR code.

Microchip implants are not all over the US, I don't know what you're talking about. Maybe 0.05% of the population has any kind of implant, let alone a microchip. They use "chips" on their credit cards, but they aren't microchips that are inserted into you.

As for the argument about chips and their supposed benefits, well, I'd love to chat but I don't want to turn this post into a paragraph.

Microchips already exist since some years now, here it is used for dogs and cats identification. In another country wich i don't remember it is used to track the workers. In spain there is a night club where they inject you a microchip that you can use to pay your drinks, google it it's just crazy.
So if it used as wallet to pay things, in future it will surely be used for bitcoin too, as any other currency can be used. Also search for "Project Cyborg" there an engineer who is make a microchip so humans can talk each others using telepathy.

People with a lot of stuff pierced into their body and even in some awkward parts of their body and their proud of them like it's their heavenly duty.
I wouldn't mind if something harmless like eye contact lens or ear pierce but nothing that requires surgery though.

I am against any microchips. Firstly it is a foreign object in the body and we never know what the reaction of our body on it. The second chip can follow us. Why would I need a spy inside of me? I am against such technology.

I don't like the idea of putting a chip in my body, but I could see some positives such as ease of payment and you wouldn't have to worry about carrying a wallet with cash or credit cards. I heard that a company in Europe is offering employees to have a chip implemented into their hand in place of swiping a badge to enter the building or clocking in or out for the day.

i aggre with you
but implementation and work is very dificult, and need much budget investment technology
and bitcoin user is not big in real life and offline, so i think mall can still calculation investment technology if not incraese selling

I agree with OP's friends i will not allow any implant whatever it is in my body for any type of payment whatsoever, These implants though meant to be a convenient way of payment will in the long run be used as a tool of oppression.

Yes , what if we can't pay bitcoins in malls it isn't a big deal for us to implant a chip in our body just to use bitcoons as payment , I come  up and to think that what was the microchips use in our body ? An infrared or some connection like that or whatsoever use of it its just a non sense thing that may harm our body or mind.

Personally, I think a microchip can be very invasive for the human body and many people won't agree with that. There are already others methods more confortable for people. I think that won't have much acceptation. 

It will be incredible, sooner or later it will begin to be applied in all countries. I strongly support the development of technology like this because of course the transaction will be very fast and easy (not only bitcoin but also all). Most importantly I think microchip implants do not have harmful effects on the human body so safe to use. And if bitcoin starts implementing microchip implants, I think making bitcoin atm will be useless because it would not have been used again.

I don't agree with the idea of using it specially for bitcoin payment purpose. We can have our smart phones with us all the time, so if ever we want to buy something in malls or other places that accepts bitcoin, we can just use the QR code scanner and its done!!!

Microchip implant is a new technological breakthrough that's changing the way information and identification is stored and shared. Microchip implant has its purpose, but not in bitcoin technology.

Honestly I will not be ready to risk my health just for a convenient payment option. Moreover I'm very much comfortable with my mobile wallets and I think it will be unnecessary to go for this type of implans which might be giving any security advantages.

I believe my health is more important than anything and ignoring this type of improvements may risk something but I will be ready to afford them.

Likely will happen sooner or later Blockchain technology has the utilization as a means of tracking finance and activities.
How it is executed is an entirely different method a nation with sufficient resources and capacity taken over by a dark dictator or cartel could do it but nations with insufficient resources say North Korea would have a head time implementing it.
Sum it up safe until the technology further develops and we don't enter into a pure chaos situation of power.

Same here i won't risk to have a microchip in my body no matter if it's a bitcoin wallet or not, this is not for me... You never know if in the future if hackers will maybe be able to hijack the microchip and controll your body.  :D

Well it is in the book of revelations but I think what the book of Revelation meant is the chips that violating the law of the ten commandments and being used in immoral deeds.

Well of course planting chips on your body which you are violating the law of nature itself ( unless for medical purposes ) is being experimental since 1998.

Well I can't agree with this having this integrated circuit in my body, j know that it's for own convenience and security but of course it has a negative effect and it will degrade though time ( unless it is biologically made ).

even myself i don't want theres a device attached on me even if it's too small it will be weird but if someday they have develop some system like thisface and eye scanning and fingerprint technology seems to be easy to bypass . let's say face scanning is easy to bypass but fingerprint is more accurate on suggestion . hope when they propose some transaction using bitcoin they will use the fingerprint.

i will never do that implantation its like selling your soul in the devil i already read it many times in the bible. thats what the devil wants to happen . much better if they gonna use our fingerprints so that our data are still secured and cant be crack by anyone who wants because we are the only one who have that finger print.

Microchip implants would allow quick payments and security as long as they were not hacked. However it would end the privacy of the bitcoin walletss since your wallet and your bitcoin addreses would be associated with your body, impossible to have less privacy.

Not a benefit overall, more of an annoyance and it can easily make crime a lot more damaging to individuals.
I certainly won't be getting one, ever, regardless of whether or not they tote it as some sort of great achievement for fintech or whatever. I'd rather pay with plastic or cash than have to wave my hand or whatever over a scanner.
I'm confused as to why you think there are implants all over the US. There are implants of varying types, but next to none of them actually microchips people use to pay for things. I don't think there's more than maybe a few dozen people in this country that have a fintech implant.

Thieves can steal credit card data through RFID.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3S_6EJCjn0

An implant would be vulnerable to similar attacks.

Someone walking past you on the street with a scanner could steal all your bitcoin.

If that's the case it is better not to use microchip implant for bitcoin payments since it would be easier to steal bitcoin for others that way. If that's the case I'd rather prefer paying bitcoin via scanning a qr code in a mall for transaction with a smartphone or better yet convert my bitcoin to fiat to pay for a product using fiat obtained by converting bitcoin. That would be easier to do.

Yes i agree with this microchip implants for bitcoin payments in mall because it will help for them to regulate the use of bitcoin in their malls or stores and it will help them to avoid getting bitcoin from a illegal person because it will cause them trouble. Microchips will help them track the bitcoin payments and who is the sender of bitcoin it will make a good effect in terms of security.

Nope, Nope and Nope.
This is against everything Bitoin is. Anonymity, decentralization, freedom. Chipping is like being a home pet.

ofcourse no one wants atm for bitcoin. but microchip can be a reason for a massive improvents of the world i don't know why christians are so afraid for it. I done a lot of reasearch about it and i found that it's some kind of interesting moves for technology imagine all your wallet's money, information about yourself, keys for your car and creditcards and think about bitcoin you have it too on the microchip it will be so very innovative.

I am also an opponent of chipping. This interference in my personal life and helps to ensure that any information about me will be those whom I have not given permission. For this reason, I don't even have a biometric passport.

That sounds something futuristic and innovative. I would like to have one of it unless and until I'm not getting controlled with robots someday.  :D The idea really looks cool and with generations changing lightening fast it is very much possible to have these things. It would be really great to have such technology and bitcoin has the potential to hold that thought. If we have crystal credit card which could be stolen at any time then why not to have such technology in yourself itself. I hope people won't threat us for using ourselves to use us for their benefits. But with new technology I hope here will that much security as well.  :D

Of course I agree, because it is very good for me because I often mall
Paying shopping using bitcoin.

Christian's might have an exaggerated looks towards this issue and worst every new tech for them is work of evil specially to those extremist who does not want technology to move forward.  But with regards with microchip implant, I would say no.  Why would I let something to be implanted in my body when I can have it in my bag. 

I have the feeling that a bitcoin wallet implanted in a microchip would not be very safe so I don´t see too many advantages. In addition, in case of putting a microchip inside the body it would always be better to implant one related to health as a blood sugar meter for diabetics or a blood pressure meter for example, rather than a bitcoin wallet that you can carry in your smartphone.

That wouldn't be awesome at all. I would rather purchase things with cash instead of doing bodily harm just so a product could get purchased. Money is not that important.

It is not about money but it is all about your security and convenience while paying. I agree your health and comfortable levels are more important still these kind of ideas will be implemented only there will be no harm and more importantly there will be no pain while implanting as well as while using.

I would not agree with this being a good idea, especially with bitcoin in it's current state it just doesn't make sense.

We are moving towards a future where we will become entwined with technology, we have been doing so for a long time already for example a pacemaker has been around for a while, mechanical limbs also etc.

I did read somehwere about one guy that put a chip in his forearm and a quick google search shows that this is being taken seriously https://news.bitcoin.com/bio-implantable-bitcoin-growing-popular/

For me it is far too early in the game to consider this.

You wouldn't be harmed. Chips are found to be completely safe and this method has been used on pets for many years. You might answer with "they are just animals it doesn't prove anything", but the important thing is they are living creatures and a chip doesn't damage living tissue in any way.
I wouldn't want to have my money implanted under my skin, but I'm not afraid of having a chip. If I ever have a child I might implant it with a GPS to be able to come to the rescue if it gets lost or gets taken.

Yes that may be right that we couldn't be harmed by that chip, but, if you really think of it, there may be instances that the implantation may result something that we don't expect, what if the body has allergy to something like that? It may be the future of paying but we can't still stop thinking what may happen, either way, it is a great way to pay though,. But in the end, only the people who will approve will be using it.

It really creepy to imagine that you put something under your skin just to pay something, i prefer using a card or phone to pay rather than implant chip in our body part, although it is very good idea but at the same time I afraid it can damage our health

you're right there body chips have been tested long time ago with animals thats what inventorsalways do they have a test creature before applying it to human and yet they dont found that chips can harm people and microchips also have a active gps where they can track you if you want to in the government the good thing about microchip you dont need any documents about you because it is on chip now and they can know youre info even you dont have any documents that is live.

What the hell are you talking about?
You can track to the government? Use google maps for tracking where the government is , lol :)

Also , never heard of live documents. I'm pretty sure you didn't mean alive documents but still live documents is pretty funny.

3 lines of messy English without saying anything.

I'm trying to read between the lines so this is how I understand things he said:

He means that with microchip embedded into our body, the government can track us down thru GPS and also it has all the information about us. Does this makes sense?  ;D

Anyway, I still don't like the idea of having our body embedded with some chip just for the heck of using our bitcoin to buy something in malls.

The idea of technology is very awesome, but sometime it's not only about money in life. We must consider our healthy, dont just because easy to use bitcoin but you sacrificeyour health life

If this will happen then it can be done long time ago but it can't implenting bitcoin payments for malls will become a bigger problem if bitcoin price will fall apart its time for the mall to be bankrupt and they will need to take time before bitcoin price will became into normal again. Anyways i really love to use my bitcoin from mall to shop.

No thanks. Just another way of governments to keep track of you. I'd rather stay off the grid as much as possible, especially when it comes to bitcoin.

Is it me or you are asking us if we would agree to have implants into our skin to pay automatically with bitcoins in the shopping malls ? Of course not ! Not because it is Bitcoin, but any implant is bad according to me and shouldn't be tolerared.

Sounds scary actually, because I also believed for what the Bible says in the revelation. If that happen paper money will no longer be useful at all for sure. And if that happen the judgement day or the last day nearly close to our time. :-[

Why would you need to put a chip in people?
Everyone is already carrying a GPS enabled phone in their pocket, which they use to post pictures of what they are doing on social media.
The mark of the beast is already here.

Well , your English translation of whatever he said makes sense but technically it is not possible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCI3qiQuvuY

Right now you can't track those implants via GPS, you need a signal back for confirmation and fortunately or unfortunately the NFC can't send a signal more than 2-3 cm away.

And as I said before, implants are not for bitcoin related stuff, there are at least a hundred far more useful things you can do with.


Imagine you've been in a car accident and you need blood.
Right now the procedure is to give all patients 0 group which is the most sought blood type and the demand a lot of times exceeding the amount donated.

With a microchip inserted you would know in a matter of seconds not only the blood type of the victim but all if any of her health problems.

I think microchip implants for every currency is our near future. So, there is no matter will it be bitcoin and any other currency. Actually I am for an idea of some one multi currency of the future which will replace al this dollars, euros, uans, rubles and ect.

Revelations? Seriously? Are they saying about the mark on the right hand? Then why not place the microchip implants on the left hand, no more Revelations, right? (Off topic) They do not know the right hand mark they are saying was fulfilled already.

As for the implants itself, I think that it will be uncomfortable. I just don't want any foreign object inside my body regardless if it is safe or have harmful effects. Why not just use a bracelet type wallet with biometric scanner for the private keys. I would prefer that compared to the implants.

Im willing to have an implant if its not harmful to our body then why not but I think this idea will not push trough for at this time because bitcoin is not yet recognized worldwide maybe 15 years from now...

Even i am not supporting some electronic devices being implanted in me.Even now the level of privacy has decreased drastically and any government could monitor each and every individuals each and every move with the help of the tracking device we always carry with us called the mobile phone and now to implement a micro chip ,i would pass on that idea.

Yes it is considered as the mark of the beast and to be precised it is written on this verses Revelation 13:16-18.
I do know that one day we are going to have that implantation but I'm not going to take it as it is already enough to use online transactions and with the use of computer even though it's convenient.

Microchip implants are a means of monitoring, controlling and ultimately oppressing humanity.

They're meant to eliminate cash, which would give banks a monopoly over the exchange of currency.

They're also an invasion of privacy, a method of surveillance and being able to choose who is and isn't allowed to buy or sell.

With implant based currency, corporations & the state can ban those with different political opinions from using the exchange system.

It can be a method of oppressing independent thought, restricting freedom of speech & otherwise stripping people of rights and freedom.

And that is going to make the society completely cashless. I had to agree with it because if ever I'm going to be against with it, do I have something to do so that they will change their minds? there's none. But I'm not going to let them put that microchip into my skin or any part of my body. Maybe a credit card/debit card type just like what xapo is offering.