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Hi everyone

What a bombshell we have right now.

I haven't decided how I am going to present it yet.

But the evidence is really not disputable at all.

Two major kind of cheating going on nitrogen:  super users, and collusion.

Pretty much everyone knew with the weak security that and high stakes that it was inevitable.  And it has happened.

I will show the statistical evidence next week but for now, I will probably take your money out while you can cause when shit hits the fan and I post this thread on 2plus2, it will get very very ugly for nitrogen

Also.. a little advice for now. If you do continue to play in the poker room, stay away from those sitting alone in the 2/4+ PLO Games.

Very sad that a legit book has to resort to this.

There is a Scam Accusations thread (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0)

Yes, their blackjack and poker are both questionable. I have stopped playing there. There used to be a time someone posted the history of hands, and everytime he lost a hand, the hand history was not visible. But since it wasn't obvious proof it was ignored on the forum.

Happened to me before every hands i have in poker always lose, Even if i get Full House King i still lose with Full House Ace and it happened when we are both raising big amount of bitcoin, When i lost on that hand i just said its ok because it was a nice fight. I always sit in 1 on 1 table.

I do not think they cheating - the only problem sites like this have are bots.

If PaypalforBTC is talking about player collusion in Nitrogen's poker tables then yes, I could see it happening.  Even Pokerstars have caught Chinese players colluding and not only that, there are bot rings exploiting the system too.  But super users?  I'm not too sure about that.  If ever someone could prove it, then that would be a disgrace.

The fact is - every casino would damage hisself. Easy money if u let everything goes right. No company would risk to be a cheater.

If i would be the company owner i wouldnt risk at all my reputation just on that mistake.It will surely ruin the business.It would really damage his self.For Op theres an Scam accusation thread if you are really serious on showing the bombshell to public.

hm i think the owner should fix the security and if there is a bug, i think its need attention from the owner because its related with all members in that site. did you trying to contact the owner or their support system? what did they tells you? if the owner really thinking and wants to give the best to their members, i am sure that they will listen suggestion from someone and fix the hole/bug or anything if necessary. i hope this will not happen again in future so we still playing with safe on that site.

I think it's already happening on nitrogen's poker because I sometimes see users crying about it on nitrogen's chat and the other poker player said he was "playing" with his fellow classmates in the same table. There are some users that already reported this kind of problem but i'm not sure if it's already taken care of.

I haven't played on the poker rooms of nitrogen, but I don't think they would allow anyone to have superuser and get away with it. It's either someone was able to hack it, because I don't think nitrogen will risk their reputation for this since they have so much users already. Collusion cannot be prevented though, since this is a player related thing.

This is some serious allegation against Nitrogen. I think the OP has some serious evidence. But it remains to be seen. But the looks of it, it seems this kind of "cheating" has been going on seen. I haven't played on Nitrogen Poker Room so I really have no idea if they are cheating. Nitrogen credibility and trust are on the line here. So they better be ready to answer all the allegations.

this is the problem that i have been talking about in all the online card games. it is impossible to make them fair, there will always be doubt at the very best about their honesty and whether they are cheating or not. and worst case scenario (the most common also) they are cheating to make more money and there usually is no easy way of proving it.


if "statistical evidence" is what i think it is, i have to say it is not much of an evidence! you need hard proof not statistics.

to be honest I've always wondered why people would play med or high stakes in nitrogen
don't get me wrong , nitrogen is one of the best and most trusted sites when it comes to sportsbetting but their poker room isn't that good and you can easily have a better experience playing at other sites

but so far there is no proof , I will wait for the evidence

Yes. Let's wait for the evidence before we make our own conclusion.

@Red-Apple
can you please elaborate what you say about statistical evidence? I want to understand how this cannot be a good evidence that they are cheating playing customers.

@OP
much better to present the evidence right now. Its hard to accused someone, specially FJ, they have already built a reputation among crypto gamblers.

Just my .2BTC

If they had bots, I would definitely consider that cheating. Bots always outplay real players in the long run, so it isn't fair.
I do like to see OP's statistical analysis, there's little point in making a thread like this without providing the proof with it.

The fact that it's a newbie account also doesn't promise much good.

Hey,

If you have evidence regarding collusion or multi-accounting in our poker room we would encourage you to share this with our support team (support@nitrogensports.eu). They would appreciate the help and immediately follow up with an investigation of those accounts.

Thanks,
Cal

OP's post looks a bit like trolling. It has all the features.
-many accusations without proof
-advice to stop playing, take money and leave
-promise to present evidence next week.
You need a lot of time to prove something you are so confident about.

Let's see what the guys from Nitrogen come up with.

Looks like nitrogen sports is now taking an action to fix this issue.. And i think this is not nitrogen sports fault..
Better to contact them first in the support area before you posted any issue here..

what player do you think cheated?

i play omaha on nitro but usually 1/2 or lower havent seen anything shady

Looks like Cal has already taking some actions to settle the allegation.  I hope the PaypalForBTC should provide the evidence first here. So everything can be transparent to both crypto players and to Nitro as well.  Show us the proof that you are talking about that they cheated you.

To NitrogenSports (Cal) much better also to see what the actual allegations against you. I still have doubts on the allegation and you already build trust and rep among us here. And I hope this can be settle ASAP between you and PaypalForBTC.

Bots are easy to beat once you figure out how they were programmed.

They are easily exploitable when you get a good number of hands on them.

Superusers on the other hand will always be able to make the correct play, no matter what.

Am I the only person who feels op lost some money and decided to make up a story against them, I am neither for or against op but when such kind of serious allegations are made and they are not supported by a evidence link, it leads to suspicious. What if this is a alt account of someone since he is a newbie. Will be waiting for the evidence and if proved will surely spread a word in other forums to. I feel the Op should come forward with proof as this will only lead to and fro arguments of whose right.

Many many times at the higher limits you will see people join 3 at a time and just all happen to disconnect at the same time.

I tell nitrogen CS this and you know what they tell me?  "You are able to self exclude yourself from the poker room.."

I'm up lifetime at nitrogen poker and by a decent amount. The lower limits like 0.5/1 are gold mines with people who don't know how to play which is why i am hesitant to expose it.  BUT.. at the same time, cheating is cheating and should be exposed

well it is a bit hard to put into words but i'll try.
as i said if "statistical evidence" that OP is talking about is what i think it is, it is not really an evidence. it is more like making a conclusion based on numbers and coming up with a chance of them scamming. and that is not proof.
for example you gather the numbers, do some card counting and come up with "probability" of losing a hand and you lose it with a high probability. then say it was statistically impossible for me to lose so they are scamming.
as i said it is my understanding of what OP meant, and i would like to see what he really has to see how my thought were close or far from reality.

That's for the explanation. It make sense to me now. So its not a definite evident to present as evidence. Its just "probability" that you think that they scam you but in fact its not.

Any update on this?? Has the evidence been presented?

What about evidence from first post?
Can you share it with us?

I'm waiting on responses from nitrogen support

So far they have been extremely difficult.

I'd like an explanation privately or at least an attempt to before I release it.

Collusion is 100% clear though.  Two guys join table at same time.. both disconnect at same time and both play the same exact way.  In PLO when you have 8 cards instead of 4, it is such a huge advantage

stay aware!

i was playing high stakes plo HU around 10/20€
against "AliceLady" was up to 3k€ish after 1.5hours

and then the user "Brutus"joined the table.

in following 50minutes
they do not play each other to showdown @ river  when i was folding before "preflop or on the flop". same patterns one of them folds 100% before showdown.

showdown only against me one of two of them all the time.
no showdown to 3rd. only 2nd with me.

for me its clear teamplay&collusion.
i wrote to support & review department,
i got the message now, all fine. < - biggest joke ive ever heard.

How is it possible to play 50minutes 3handed!! omaha!!
and these two accounts going to showdown "zero times"


in my mind, only employee & friend accounts

https://www.reddit.com/r/nitrogensports/comments/m9xhdt/nitergen_sports_poker_cheatedrigged/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body

etc.


otherwise they wont be refund me until Brutus joined table.

I think if you submitted the action beforehand in an email or support ticket provided by Nitrogen, maybe you'll get the right answer or something else to solve the problem at hand. I personally believe Nitrogen will do it well and quickly, because in the past I've had problems with it too but after contacting the help/support contact the issue was quickly resolved and I'm fine with them.

I think you should break down what you mean by super user and collisions and how this users can cheat the gambling system of Nitrogen sports and for high stakes I think it's not common only for Nitrogen sports and you stated you have indisputable evidence and I'm yet to see your evidences because I can't believe I system would have weak security when dealing with online investment most especially gambling.

no, its just robbing peoples money , stay aware from them

Yep that's sketch.  I won't play poker online for this reason.  There are people always looking to exploit the system, I don't like playing with the odds stacked up against me.  Play in person and if I can't then oh well no poker for me.  This has been going on for years with online poker nothing new.

I don't know if what you're saying is true but I don't think that I am going to believe that unless there's a damning evidence to back up that claim which is pretty difficult in my opinion because it's like you might be the only one that's seeing the pattern and it was all just a big coincidence.

Nitrogen Sports Support at 9:45pm on July 23, 2021
Hello xxx

Please note that it is in our best interest to keep a nice and healthy environment in our Poker platform that is why we have a team of poker experts checking on this issue you have reported. Not only will be follow-up on every claim submitted by a client, but we also run regular checks on a daily basis: random checks are issued on the poker tables and every player is also checked before a cash out.

Keep in mind that the outcome of the investigation is not disclosed to our users; however, you can rest assured that if we are able to find clear evidence we will proceed accordingly and take all pertinent measures for all parties involved. That means that if we were to confirm you were cheated and a refund was needed, we would proceed and do so. However, many cases result in warnings, sometimes accounts will be banned, but those steps that are taken with other accounts will not be disclosed to third parties, just like we would not disclose to other accounts details about your account.

At the moment, no further updates will be provided regarding this case. If we were to determine a refund was necessary, we would then reach out. But if not, then no more information will be provided. If you were to be unhappy with our resolution, understand that we would be willing to go for arbitration. It is important that you are aware that, as a business, our findings need to be solid, our research thorough and our conclusions verifiable. This is why we say we are willing to justify our finding if there was a need for that.

Feel free to contact us back if you need further assistance,

Regards,

It's a nice way to say "fuck off, we will do what we want and if you don't like it sue us"!

Well, too bad you didn't see this thread on time, maybe that would save you from playing with big money in a shady place! At least when it comes to poker they are shady, with not so good interface, in my opinion!

Will you contact them again? I would probably give up after this mail...