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https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/689y1e/coreaxablockstream_cto_greg_maxwell_ceo_adam_back/

Go read the unfiltered truth.

The unfiltered truth was already explained by Andreas Antonopoulos in a couple of lines:

https://i.supload.com/rJXd38e1Z.png

If anyone is destroying bitcoin, is Bitmain and George Soros types like Roger Ver pushing their agendas via buggy software.

https://bravenewcoin.com/news/antbleed-exposes-70-percent-of-bitcoin-miners-to-attack/

Sorry /r/btc, game's over.

In my opinion all these scammers are destroying the bitcoin.
It makes people afraid and they so not want to have anything in common with cryptocurrencies

So their 'truth' is that SegWit is only needed to keep AXA alive: "AXA is the 2nd most imporant fiat finance company in the world. AXA would go bankrupt if Bitcoin scales on-chain."

Bitmain with their ASICBoost has nothing to to with it, right?

If you think that big money is not influencing both sides of scaling war you are a naive dreamer. But I will still trust Core more than Bitmain.

I know you'd love to think there's censorship everywhere, but the claims here just make no sense.  The article even thinks that theymos is censoring the forum, but shockingly you posted this right now and it hasn't been taken down.


-SegWit marks an increase in transaction capacity.  If it was accepted, the Bitcoin network would be able to handle the amount of transactions people try to send on it, at least for now.

-Bitcoin's price has gone up dramatically recently.  Altcoins do not "catch up" to Bitcoin, they just rise.  Cryptocurrencies overall are strong right now, and 50 percent is a totally meaningless number as it doesn't actually mean that one altcoin has overtaken Bitcoin's market cap.

-Cryptocurrencies are separate to Bitcoin and how they perform, especially Ethereum and Monero for example, is only partially linked to how Bitcoin performs.

This is based on two incorrect assumptions:

Transaction capacity = transaction volume, and transaction volume = Bitcoin transferred.

An increased transaction capacity doesn't actually mean that Bitcoin would be used for that many transactions yet as for small transactions it still has higher fees than credit card services like Visa and is less convenient.  People are very conservative with their money, they don't put it into a decentralised network straight away.

Also, if more people were transferring Bitcoin because of the lower fees, they would be transferring smaller amounts as it would be more practical to do so.  Therefore the amount of money that goes into Bitcoin would not increase as much as the transaction volume might and the price would not rise to 32 times what it is now (or not even close).

Whether someone is destroying or the other is defending even if some other people are of the opinion is a conspiracy theory, one thing I know is that, the total number of people involved involved in bitcoin that do not understand the technicalities of how things work, outweighs the ones in the know of the technicals like this. And if they all succeed in pushing out those people with their bickering among themselves, I wonder what they will have left to fight over.

Whether someone understands the technicality isn't actually that relevant because "technicality" is extremely subjective.  It would be condescending to people to pretend that they're above everyone else because not understanding technicality means that you shouldn't be able to have a strong opinion - people who do understand it change their views and have different views to other people all the times and often both sides have at least an ounce of reason.

There is no specific entity to blame for the 'destruction' of Bitcoin, I believe that everyone is equally responsible. If Bitcoin wants to survive and prosper past this the constant in-fighting, insults and personal attacks coming from both sides of the debate has to stop.
In addition to this, the constant sensationalism on Reddit in regards to this is embarrassing. I feel like I'm reading a tabloid newspaper, not a supposed means to discuss changes and news (both economical and technical) regarding Bitcoin.

Jesus Christ that is an long post on reddit. I haven't thought that this situation is far more complicated than it is.... So we can hope that it will be alright at end eh?

But ofc somebody doesn't like bitcoin as it can take the central banks job.... this is unacceptable!!

Reddit is always like that.  Any illusion of meaningful discussion on there fades after a couple of years and some real controversy (on all subreddits, not just the Bitcoin and BTC subreddits in civil war).

It's basically the case everywhere.  It really is hard to find a good discussion when anyone could post bullshit and people are more likely to believe them than the quiet clever people that they don't understand.  Same reason that people decide not to vaccinate their kids or think that the earth is flat.

but bitcoin is not becoming stronger as compare to its previous position, because the users of  bitcoin are increasing from time to time. which is makijng bitcoin more stake, i think it is very difficult to fullfil the importance of bitcoi, therefore in future we can expect  bitcoin will  become more stronger than any other currency of the world and hope that it will remain as stable in future also.

For me, i think that the people who's destroying bitcoin are the people who doesn't really know the value of it.. or those people have been scammed and they want to get some revenge by destroying bitcoin so they can experience what the scammed people experienced.. :D

each time I see things like this I say poor new members who want to start using bitcoin! they come here, it is full of the same spam, they go on reddit, r/rbitcoin is filled with how /r/btc is ruining bitcoin and full of lies and deceit and they go on /r/btc and see there filled with how /r/bitcoin is ruining bitcoin and full of lies and deceit!

and I sometimes see someone asking a basic question and their comment goes to page 3 because everyone is busy upvoting and fighting over pointless arguments that helps no one.

and all this time bitcoin network is under heavy attack and miners are enjoying the high fees.

so in short thanks everyone from both sides for creating this situation :P

In my opinion, the enemies of Bitcoin are (i) competitors, (ii) self-claimed Bitcoin experts, (iii) cyber-punks, (iv) bad services, (v) shortcuts.

a single entity can't destroy the coins, the title is misleading, bitcoin last time i've checked is decentralized for a reason, to avoid trusting someone who cna disrupt the entire project

if then there are people that work together to force the consensus on certain direction, they will end up with their own fork, roger and other have no power here, only exchange decide and miners to an extent

I think not only one people are destroying bitcoin because there is a lot of people doing that like the alternative cryptocurrencies supporters or the people who got a huge loss in bitcoin market, they are all destroying bitcoin aside from the popular ones. I think this kind of bashing for bitcoin is not a new one because back in the when bitcoin experienced a huge dump on the price there is a lot of people talks about bitcoin and said that it is already dead.

That`s why i don`t read and don`t use Reddit anymore.
There are countless conspiracy theories about the destruction of bitcoin during the last 3 years.
Is bitcoin destoryed?Nope...

Conspiracy theory is just made to destroy BTC. It was created by person who are strongly against BTC. This is the common tactics on market competition so that their might still the fame of bitcoin in the crypto world. So far, there is no conspiracy theory are already happened except for prediction that commonly happened just like certain dump on price.

You could have see many trollers who aganist bitcoin in this forum also. Just don't care about those people and make your way clear about bitcoin. It is the best source for world wide payment in future and will give tough competition to Paypal, WU and international exchanges.

Clearly this subreddit is capable of terrible confirmation bias.  Most of the claims in the article could be made with slightly different statistics and phrasing from Core supporters (could be at tens of thousands from the LN et cetera).

Both subreddits are just weird echo chambers for each side and no one seems to actually interact with the other side except for claiming that they're shills or that they're censoring their respective subreddit.

What's even the point?

I think those people who tried destroying the bitcoin are those scammer competitors of bitcoin. They want their own to have many clients so that they are trying to destroy bitcoin for them to get the clients of bitcoin. Bitcoin is quite successful nowadays that's why there are many that are envy to bitcoin so they are trying to do things to destroy bitcoin.

Now itself users who were known about bitcoin use it for large volume transactions which through WU or other transaction source will charge you high as well heavy taxation will be levied for what we have earned. Now itself several transactions service sector have started to use blockchain technology for efficient transaction.

You are totally missing the point here... try reading the OP's link and see what he is doing. jonald_fyookball is supposedly one of the paid BU shills

on this forum and this whole post is a stab at Bitcoin Core team. The attack and finger pointing will not stop until this whole thing are resolved

and one of the sides triumph over the other.  ;)

I think the human nature of trying to dominate (and centralize) things is affecting how bitcoin is developing.

The very specialized technology of producing faster and faster miner is causing the centralization of mining activities in China. However, I think this is slowing down as the "best technology" has been used and the increase is not as great. Soon, we will have decentralize mining activities again.

As a newbie to bitcoin i dont yet fully understand the full extent.
Of the movers and shakers behind this but its good to read a bit.
Of balance in this thread.

I think jts impossible to destroy bitcoin, there is just too many.
People involved for all sorts of reasons like people in it to make.
Quick money by trading, people in it to earn and purchase
Gooda with their free bitcoin and people in it for their pension

I am not agree that people who have need scammed destroying bitcoin for revenge. How it is? It's not bitcoin's fail that you were scammed, some other human made that. So revenge to bitcoin in this case has no sense. I even doubt that those people who were scammed just all in once would stop to use bitcoin. No. I think we are all adults and understand all perspectives of bitcoin and some little scammer can't head of us from bitcoin.

r/btc is uncensored.
r/bitcoin is censored

that should tell you something.

I have no idea what you mean in relation to the post you quoted. What should it tell me?

Yeah. It is impossible for the haters out there or the people who don't like bitcoin to destroy it because they can't destroy bitcoin or even control it without having a lot of funds in their pocket. Bitcoin is now getting stronger and its volume of money is keep growing so there is nothing can stop bitcoin.

It doesnt end there. Gavin Andersen, Roger Ver and the rest of them wont stop until they get what they want. They will always be around just to be around and continue to destabilize the accepted order because they have this need to have people follow them.

i am sure that in every good things, there is always bad people involving and they can do every ways to destroy and eliminate the good things. i have seen this in real life and because its in online, then i think it could possible that there is people that don't like if bitcoin is getting too expensive and want to reduce the price. but i am sure, if bitcoin is made for good things then in the end, many people still believe that bitcoin can do many good work and people still using bitcoin no matter if there is any bad guys involve. the haters can't control bitcoin because bitcoin itself is not design to be control by some people or some group and its for all people which interesting with bitcoin.

In my own opinion who destroying bitcoin is those who doesnt like bitcoin and those scammers. And, ofcourse those competitors of bitcoin that wants to get rid of, wants to be on top or leading in cryptocurrency.

There is this little greedy guy Wu wants moar and we need to give him moar, give me moar, damn he thought he's a president or something to have a button to push and that's it? even presidents don't have that kind of power to simply nuke the world with a push of a button but he wanted his antbleed anyways.

I guess you could call blockstream evil, bad and worst option but we actually don't care and we know all about them and still we want Core.

It reminds me of a story, when God sent a prophet to sodomite to tell them here you go some young and pretty girls for you guys to make love with and stop sodomizing each other because it's not a natural thing and God will punish you if you keep doing that, you know what did they respond?
They said: haha we know already but we don't care these_
Asses are so hot and dope we just want to penetrate them.

Now in this case we know Core is doing us but we rather Gmaxwell doing us than Wu-Ver-GavinCIA.
Right?


In this exact moment I prefer Core over BU and I don't care which one is good or evil, I'm dedicated that much.


NK's leader says he'll nuke US if they do something wrong and Trump says we're coming for you, now in this matter who can stop either of them?

Once and for all guys we know BU is the innocent virgin and all but sadly we don't want her and you can't force feeding us.

This is not about which side is better but it's about being loyal to just one side, make up your minds you can't have both.

End of story.

And the other people who will destroying bitcoin are the users of bitcoin that use bitcoin for something illegal are like (money laundering, support for terrorists​ and other) the illegal activities will makes bitcoin bad images on the peoples who don't know anything about bitcoin and the peoples will be scary hear about bitcoin without learning what is the bitcoin.

I agree with others said here, those who wants to destroy bitcoin are the scammers, bitcoin competitors. Also, who dont like to use bitcoin because of others difficulty to use it. I think these are the things they like to destroy btc.

Though this problem can be solved or minimized by the means of the regulation released by the government in order to put order especially to those opportunistic people taking advantage to those unfortunate people. With the support of the government, the trust and the popularity of Bitcoin will rise up. Though the government will put taxes on top of it and would try to control it. Also all the currencies or anything can be used either in a good way or bad way that lies on the hands of the person or people's intention, motives, and its character.

In addition to competitors, it is useless to destroy bitcoin. Users on the contrary are interested in its constant development.

That one subreddit is afraid of open discussion and wants to control what people hear and know.  iow, they want mind control.
The other subredit is not afraid of open discussion because truth has nothing to fear.

Competitors believe that destroying bitcoin their currency will become more popular, but they will not succeed because bitcoin is too strong.

They are thinking that bitcoin in very wrong way. Some people are saying that bitcoin is illegal and used by terrorists. This is the reason many people trolling the bitcoins without proper understanding.
Actually bitcoin has the potential to grow more in chart. many people running behind bitcoin, so no doubt is no need to troll at all. this is for destroyers and trollers.

All that is distributed on the Internet and carries with it negative consequences regarding the crypto currency, someone is profitable. I can not understand This reason, But these users really need to troll.